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Is Catholicism Christian. It seems that people can be Christian but "religions" cannot be.

Updated on April 14, 2013

This has nothing to do with Being a Christian

Dogma and Doctrine and all the Hail Mary's in the world cannot make a church a Christian
Dogma and Doctrine and all the Hail Mary's in the world cannot make a church a Christian | Source

This fellow was beating up on the Catholic Church.

The theory goes that Catholics do too many things that are not Christian. It hit me to ask so what? Buddhism is called a religion that makes sense. But I have been in Buddhist temples where most people were not Buddhists. Just us tourists in awe.

So I said to my self "heh Eric can a religion be Christian" and the answer from all sides was no. It is a silly notion that makes no sense.

I think it would be fun to be Catholic.

They have really cool churches and ceremonies and a whole city state over in Rome. They got a Pope and the have great rituals, and the music is to die for. They even have their own military/guard deal from Switzerland. The got Jets and cool clothes. They are all over the place.

Yep being a Catholic would be cool. But I would still be a Christian wouldn't I.

Episcopals and Lutherans are party animals, that would be cool.

They have processions and rituals and they seem to preach a lot of loving and do nice things for poor and widows. They have some very interesting churches. They get social issues and do a lot of helping others. They have cool clothes too and fun music.

I wonder if I joined them could I still be a Christian? I am certain their churches have never been baptized and do not have a heart and soul so they cannot be Christian.

These trees cannot be Christian

Palms are very biblical and symbolic, but they violate a lot of rules. They work on the Sabbath.
Palms are very biblical and symbolic, but they violate a lot of rules. They work on the Sabbath. | Source

How about those Methodists, Presbyterian and Baptist churches.

Rock and roll and bible study and hymns and revivals and large crosses. Protesting and resisting and changing things is a good thing. Doing it your own way is great. But that cannot make an organization Christian, because organizations cannot love Christ.

So here is big old me. I walk into the church and proclaim, You cannot be Christian, but I can.

Brick and mortar and corporate structure and holiest of holies cannot be Christian. Maybe the family pet can be -- I do not know. Little children can be. Whores can be. Even Lawyers can be Christian but pews cannot and pianos cannot.

You must be a living thing with a heart and soul to be Christian. Isn't that really neato.

An army cannot be Christian and a nation cannot be Christian. What really hurts is that my car cannot be Christian.

I cannot be Christian by my Religion I must be a Christian by my Love. ed 2012

Do not judge a man by his religion, judge him by what he means to you.

If I attend a church claiming to be "Christian" but have not love, I am an abomination to the Spirit.

If I attend a church not claiming to be "Christian" but have love, I am a light to the Spirit.

There is no mountain worthy of climbing unless by doing so I am a beacon of life.

Trouble is a place I rest my head, so that I can make it untroubled.

Purity is lost, it cannot be reinstated, but love knows no such restrictions.

A Dynasty requires the founders principles to live on. Are yours worthy?

Look for a religion to solve your problems and you have looked past God.

There is only one religion which is Christian, love.

Apples do not fall far from the tree but if they do they are free.

Let religions take care of themselves, let God take care of you.

Out in the western USA we do not join groups much.

I reckon it was our forefathers that fled bias from those in groups. They just were suspicious of somebody making the conform to an organizations rules. We just kinda minded our own business. A Place where rules were meted at the end of a gun barrel. Where survival meant one heck of a lot more that religion.

But we busted out of those times. And in that rebirth we chose not religions but God and it has served us well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I was raised Catholic and believe me, it wasn't that much fun.

      Now I'm a human being who believe in the Golden Rule. I'll take my chances when I die. :)

      Great message as always my friend.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Billy, it is just so nice of you to come read and lend credence of a sort to my hubs. "hey billy reads them ????"

      But more important is that we are one on the religiosity meter. Our acquaintance and love of people is what we know and love. Any thing like money or corporate America or corporate religions get in the way of a simply hand holding are a nuisance. You preach love strongly by your each day.

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      Christopher Antony Meade 4 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

      I'm not really sure what I am nowadays. I still call myself a catholic, but not too many of my co-religionists would call me one.

      Love is the key really. Thanks for a great article Eric.

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      cheaptrick 4 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      I'm a recovering Catholic,been through the 12 step deprogramming program many times lol.

      I like religions and the whole life after death Idea...just don't subscribe to them.

      The 'wave which rises then subsides back into the ocean' concept feels right to me...but I'm wrong at least 50% of the time so I just stick to"We'll find out when we get there".

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 4 years ago from The Caribbean

      Eric, I hear you. Our responsibility is not to please everyone; we wouldn't know how. Our responsibility is to please God by obedience to Him, service to our fellowmen and honesty to ourselves.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Christopher, I am not either sure. I am happy hanging around with any of them. Thanks for being a you!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Cheaptrick, isn't it a nice easy feeling? I like those waves.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      MsDora, I always beamed and stood tall when my dad patted me on the head and said "good job boy", How much more true with The Father.

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      I have been Catholic all my life but understand your concept. We, as individuals must be "Christian" no matter what our religion. You make some very good points and to quote an old Catholic song "They will know we are Christians by our love..."

      Voted up and interesting.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Fantastic, that is the song above. I really like it best with a choir but this edition is cool.

      Yea the idea hit me when celafoe commented a religion was not Christian, what a concept.

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      I was raised Welsh Baptist, converted to Methodist and then converted again to Roman Catholic and then left that religion and am just a follower and Minister of Jesus Christ as he wants me to be. When I started reading the Bible by myself things sounded very different than what I was taught in all three of those religions. I read how Jesus was good to everyone and that we only judge because we wish to be judged by our peers. I learned that he did many things that were miracles in his day because there was a lack of understaning of how things really worked then. It is the same as today because religious doctrine dictates that they should keep people in the dark at all costs. That is how they hold onto people and put them on guilt trips. Jesus was my freedom and many do not understand what that really means or is and so they call me names and tell me that I am doing the devil's work. That is so untrue. I am not a churcian, but a Christian and yes, there is most certainly a difference. There are certain things that a seminary or religious college teaches that I really didn't want to get into and so I was guided by the Christ in my ministry. A Christian is someone who follows their heart because that is where Jesus put all the laws. A good Christian doesn't need to be part of a group or wish for more material things in this life. Jesus and Jesus alone told us what a good follower was and what to worry about and what not to worry about and who to love and how we show how we want to be treated. It is all WITHIN us.

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      I was asked once who was I trying to convert and where was my church. I told them that I am not converting anyone and my church is the internet. Jesus didn't say to convert anyone to any religion.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Yes and it is, that we can look upon religions and have fun in them or not. It is good to get together in fellowship. And yes that can be done on line. But I just love the little ones all dressed and happy to play at church and my older ones that always answer their own question when the ask me.

      It is good to have a solid foundation and network of others. But I have never met a church that I wanted to hug, or that taught me anything except the rules of the church.

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      Leslie Schock 4 years ago from Tulsa, Oklahoma

      This hub was thought inspiring as usual. Objects are not Christian, and Jesus wasn't Christian. It doesn't matter what religious dogma you subscribe to, just so long as you are a good person attempting to follow in Jesus' footsteps. That is what makes a person a Christian, not the religion you practice. I was raised Catholic and have raised my children as Catholics as well. My daughter, who's 15, now follows her own thought processes, and doesn't practice any religion any longer, but just tries to be a good person doing right by other people. I'm quite proud of her following her own mind. My son, who's 11, hasn't quite decided due to his still being young. I gave them what I think is a very good foundation, and would never shun them for doing what they think is best for them on a religious and spiritual front. Because all religions no matter what they are basically come down to wanting everyone to be a good person. In the end, as with everything some people will twist and corrupt something that is supposed to be beautiful into something of their own design. I voted up, helpful and interesting.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you LEW, That is really a good full comment for people to read. I am blessed to teach children the bible in that age of your children. I find myself refusing to preach to them but rather just to share my joy. Thank you for sharing yours with us.

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