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Preaching about hell is profitable

Updated on February 26, 2013

(This is only addressed to those who earn money on their hubs promoting hell)


If you have a hub here about hell, eternal damnation or annihilation, you most likely have one thing in common. You may likely earn cash through the ads on your hubs and have no shame doing so. Sadly, you secretly desire what happens to those who you feel reject God and still earn cash. Why do I say that those who are determined hell believers desire eternal torment or annihilation on those who reject God? Allow me to put it into prospective. If you are determined to believe that hell is real than you also believe that God believes that those who are eternally dammed or destroyed deserve what they get, therefore, you yourself also must believe that they get what they deserve, because if you do not believe they deserve eternal damnation or destruction, that makes you more compassionate than God, which in reality is not the case. Because He sent His Son to pay for our transgressions and has made Him a mediator for God and all mankind. The biggest problem I have with determined hell believers and their Hubs is that they never allow themselves the possibility to be wrong. Every time I expose the stupidity of those who promote the hell doctrine on blogs, YouTube or on these Hubs, you all play the victim, not realizing the spiritual terrorism you impose on hell fearing Christians while earning cash. You and your like are guilty of those who commit suicide out of fear of going to hell, those who have murdered their children out of fear their children may go to hell, those who gave up trying to live a holy life because the thought of hell terrorises them, those who resort to drugs and alcohol because their sins they count against themselves are too unbearable to live with the thought that hell is their destiny. Those who have only the motivation of hell to worship God depriving themselves of knowing His true nature as an unfailing loving Dad. No friends, you are not the victim. You are all spiritual terrorist most likely making financial profit from the ads on your Hubs at the cost of others. 2Pet 2:3 sums it up..



"In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories…"


(This is only addressed to those who earn money on their hubs promoting hell) Peace


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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I make no money on hubpages. But do you know this? It has come from the bible " Judge not lest ye be judged." Just wondering.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      I know it, and do you know this? 1Tim 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

      11 Command and teach these things.

      Do you command and teach this?

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I have read a lot of what you have written, just now, you are very angry. why? You do not need to answer that question. Please simply pray.

      God bless you.

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      Miranda La Belle 4 years ago from Dunedin, Florida

      Sadly, so true. SO, so, terribly true.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      @Michele travis, allow me to share with you how I felt about God before I learned that it is just a pagan myth. I ould see an old man who felt nothing but lonelyness and pain his whole life and did no know God and when he died, Godb sent him to hell for not knowing Him. Such a God to me was a merciless, unforgiving son of a bitch. You read right. I had more compassion for the old man than the God you know. Now I know who He truly is, I love Him as my Father. I am no longer angry at Him. I am however angry that such people like yourself can believe that your image of God is holy and just. You follow the pagan traditions of men and dont even know it. I have more compassion for the sinner than I do a determined hell believing christian. Reminds me of someone. Christ?

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      Peter Fredericks 4 years ago from Florida

      If Jesus preached Hell, and very vividly terrifying illustrations of it, why wouldn't the Christian? The Bible does not admonish the believer to negate what Jesus taught but rather to amplify it.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      @Peter Frederick Christ never taught about such a place, He warned Judah of the wrath of God coming their way. Your question is why shouldn't the Christian? Show me one verse in Paul's letters where he warns the gentiles about the fires of Gehenna. While you are at it show me one verse where Paul warns the gentiles about hell?

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      teacherjoe52 4 years ago

      Didn't Jesus preach about Lazurus and the rich man from a first person point of view (that He was there and saw it)?

      How about 2 Peter 2:4

      Revelation 14:20

      Revelation 14:9-12

      Yes we are to lovingly teach about Gods precious love.

      However

      Is it not also out duty to lovingly teacg about Hell?

      yes there are a lot of vipers out there on the internet,TV, radio and in pulpits that get rich off of suckers.

      Guess where they are going?

      God bless you.

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      Peter Fredericks 4 years ago from Florida

      Sword, does Paul have to validate what Jesus said in order for it to be taught? We know that Jesus is the way, but He was and is also the truth. It wasn't that what Jesus said used to be true, but it is still. He talked about the furnace of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (kaminon tou puros; Matt. 13:42). To say it is not a real place as taught in the Scripture I think is to be intellectually dishonest. If Paul said there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus the opposite it is true. There is condemnation for those who are not in Christ Jesus.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      @teacherjoe52 No! The parable about Lazarus and the rich man is Christ warning the pharisees that their blessings from God would end and be given to the gentiles. Lazarus is symbolic for the gentiles, and the rich man is symbolic for the Jews of Judah. I am surprised (or maybe not) that you have not found this parable's real meaning. This parable is part of the prophecy from Daniel, Isaiah, John the Baptist, Paul and Christ Himself. The end of the age of the mosaic religion and the beginning of the age of the gentile. The end of the age as asked by the disciples in Matt 24:3 happened A.D.70.

      The word Tarturus (not hell) is used only once in the NT. The reason for it is its mythological use in ancient Greece. The Greeks believed that a prison existed for the rebellious pagan gods such as the titans. Tarturus is a prison made only for these pagan gods as hades was made only for the dead. This is why Christianity grew like a wild fire in Greece. They believed that they were all destined to go to hades, but they found hope in the true gospel that they are all saved.

      As for the book of revelations, you first need to know when it was written and to whom it was written too before you think you have any idea what its symbolic use means. It saddens me to see that you literalists take something symbolic like the lake of fire (LoF) and literally interpret it as a real lake of fire.

      You are to teach about the Father and His Son Christ, and you have not been doing a good job about it. If hell exist, why didn't Paul teach about it?

      God be with you

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      @ Peter Fredricks, Paul was the apostle who preached the beautiful Gospel of the reconciliation of all things back to God. The salvation of all from an eternal sleep in our graves. Christ's ministry was only meant for the lost sheep (Jews) of Israel, not the gentiles. He prepared the path for the Jews to find peace and life before the City would be under siege. He saved those who survived the destruction of Jerusalem by giving them the signs to see as written in Matt 24. As to salvation from the grave, all who have died, live now and born tomorrow will all go to God through Christ. I would of thought that this would bring joy to your heart? As for gnashing of teeth, didn't the pharisees gnash their teeth while stoning Steven? The gnashing of teeth happened A.D.70. So I am intellectually dishonest now? I could have accused the same to you friend. Be careful. Condemnation did come A.D.70. In Acts 20:27, Paul says he taught us all what God wants us to know, but no where in his letters to the gentiles will you find him teaching about Gehenna or a pagan place called hell. BTW, the goddess of the Germanic pagan underworld is called hel

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      Peter Fredericks 4 years ago from Florida

      Sword, in Romans 2:9 Paul writes, 'There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.' In Romans 5 Paul talks about the first Adam. 'sin came into the world through one man'. 'death spread to all men' (5:12). 'one trespass led to condemnation for all men.' (5:18). The sin of Adam spread to all men. Perhahs on this you will agree. But in the context of this passage Jesus is the second Adam. 'For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteouness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.' (5:17). Just as all are condemned through the one man Adam so all are saved through the one man Christ for eternal life. If the weeping and gnashing of teeth only applied to the Pharisees why in Matt. 13:42 did Jesus say that 'the Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers.' Are we not all 'law-breakers' who can be justified through Christ? I see the warnings of Christ as applying to all. And if Hell is not real what is the warning talking about? Why care all that much if the warnings are only for this life or that we will simply be annihilated? Why did Jesus say that 'unless you repent you shall all likewise perish'? If he was simply speaking of death don't all die? The Christian and non-Christian? Peter wrote, 'by the same word the heaven and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.' (II Peter 3:7). What is the destruction of the ungodly? Simply death. All die. Why not say all will be judged since all will die? When the Bible speaks of eternal life it speaks of Heaven for all who have repented and put their faith in Christ. Eternal destruction is for all the unbelieving whose place will be 'where their worm shall not die and their fire shall not be quenched.'

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Is that the only proof you have from Paul that hell exists? We Christians face continual tribulation everyday, as a matter of fact, even the nonbelievers face tribulation everyday. The warnings from Christ is for Judah. Do you understand Now? Judah!!! If you still don't get it, please explain Matt 3:10The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

      1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

      "Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying For even as, through the disobedience of the one man [Adam], the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One [Christ], the many shall be constituted just" (Rom. 5:18-19). Brackets are mine.

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      Peter Fredericks 4 years ago from Florida

      Sword, I've tried to understand where you are coming from, but I guess I don't. You seem to be taking a position that contradicts the clear things of Scripture. Condemnation meaning something other than eternal punishment? I don't know what to say to you. Thank you for your time though. Hopefully in the future we can see eye to eye on the important things in life and for eternity. I will let you have the last word. God bless.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      My beliefs do not contradict what I have learned from Scripture, but they do contradict yours.

      You believe that Christ spoke about hell, while Paul did not and taught what I believe, therefore Universal salvation is a false doctrine according to you, and only some are saved and is apparently considered to be good news. In other words, Christ saved some from hell.

      I believe that Christ was warning the Jews that the wrath of God is at hand (then, not 2000 years later) (So did John Matt 3:1-10). And Rome was an instrument of God that destroyed Jerusalem, the temple and religion and unofficially over 2 million Jews were slaughtered, while Paul taught the ministry of reconciliation of all to God (2 Cor 5), therefore the teachings of salvation of all is better news than what you believe because Christ saved all from eternal sleep in our Graves.

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      Pamitchrus 4 years ago

      I agree with the author.. hell is a lie, a contradiction of any and all common sense .. .. and don't forget the RCC... They have made a literal fortune with their "purgatory payments"

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      Anon 4 years ago

      I noticed you mentioned the phrase "Spiritual Terrorism" in this hub; have you ever read the book "Spiritual Terrorism: Spiritual Abuse from the Tomb to the Womb" by Boyd C Purcell? It is an excellent read, it's also available in the Kindle edition. You should check it out. Peace :o)

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      Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK

      You know when you point out that Jesus said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel you make me think again. I have thought of this before but never connected it to every teaching he gave. The tares and wheat, another popular hell peddler parable, was talking about warning the faithful of Israel would need to flee first before the destruction of the tares at the hand or Rome in AD70.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      When it was revealed to me the gospel of salvation for all, I knew that I had to unlearn everything taught to me by the church. It is amazing the things that I am learning now.

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      DT 4 years ago

      Hello Sword,

      I can understand your feelings about Hell but when someone just simply doesn't want Heaven, then wouldn't this be forced love on God's part?

      DT

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Our we talking about the same love that was forced on the apostel Paul who was on a mission to destroy the church? What you fail to understand about our divine Father is that His love is an unfailing, absolute, unconditional love. The lack of understanding of this power of love is a result by a lack of love by those who call themselves christians, for those who do not believe, but believe those who reject the Father will get what they deserve.

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      charlie 4 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      yes there are many who use the name of Christianity for personal enrichment. But there are many of us like Paul that have given much and have no desire for enrichment in the natural but only wish to enhance the Kingdom of God. and there are people like you that just like to stir up trouble with false information.

      both you and they will gather the fruit of your folly in due time. I feel sorry for you. but not for them.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      What false information are you referring to? Unlike you, Paul never warned the gentiles about the fires of Gehenna let alone a place called hell, because it does not exist, and anyone who teaches about the doctrine of hell is a spiritual terrorist.

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      Greetings sword of manticor.

      I like these issues you speak of on this hub.

      However this is a continuation of my dialogue with you from the question about signs: From your what do the jewish feasts mean to you...

      Basicaly, I say this.... (note it is not my desire to offend you or any other christian, or religious person). When the dead are raised, the dead will awaken from their bible idolatry. They will then see real life and real people. These are the true signs and the true prophecies. Not some old bible stories which are 2,000 years old.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      I have to say I partially agree with you. I thought you were going to the "End Times" direction. Yes on the day of the consumation, each and everone will live, but in spirit, not body.

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      But what is your understanding of "the spirit"?

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Love

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      I do not think the bible portrays "the spirit" as love. It is such a vague term with many meanings.

      For instance, it could refer to an angel.

      or it could refer to god's presence.

      or it could refer to emotions, feelings, or essence of personality. For example: the spirit of love. This could mean that this kind of feeling is present in any given circumstance.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Is it not written that God is love?

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      Sword of manticor:

      This is a comment on your hub. It touched me. It really got me thinking about hell and its nature.

      I do believe in hell, however, your hub made me aware that hell is a kind of plague that should be avoided. I have decided to avoid even mentioning the scourge of hell as much as possible henceforth.

      Why bother to call Satan? Preaching to much on hell, is like praying for hell to become reality. No good can come of this.

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      Yes I am familiar with this "god is love". But this will never cause me to forget, that god is a god of justice as well.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      My question for you is this. Our Father in His infinite wisdom knows all things. So if He creates such a place knowing full well that most of His creation will be destined to exist without hope, and filled with eternal misery. How can I call Him merciful Father. How does such a place glorify His mercy if He already knows where we all will end up.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Is it our Father who demands hell as a justice for our trespassers or us?

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      Good questions. First I do not think that we have the same father. Otherwise we would be in agreement. This does not mean, that there should therefore be no love! Please, I desire only tolerance for differences, and grace, as much as possible.

      I think that the will of my Father is to promote happiness and free will, as much as possible, so long as their is no crime (sin).

      Unlike the other religions and their gods, I actually believe that God gives grace to the heathens. That God even loves the gentile sinners, that he protects them, that he desires the rights of the nations... the right to exist and prosper. He revealed such things to noah. God also warned us about empire and universal assimilation in the story of the tower of babel. I believe christiandom was punished and split up in a similar way that babel was.

      As for the question about justice: Wow! That is pretty deep and serious thing to consider. I think hell as a necessary evil. I see it like a prison system. Prisons are not designed just for the love and promotion of human suffering. In fact, I think God does not desire people to go their, and in his great mercy provides many opportunities for salvation from such a miserable fate. But, like it or not, prisons are necessary and real, just like hell. Why? I think God loves justice, and desires only good. He can not tolerate people who harm others with their sins, and must do something about it.

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      So in conclusion, to answer your question. both God and his images, (us) demand and enforce justice. and promote how god's government and judgements work.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      King, I don’t know, but I could not see the answer as to how I can find your father merciful by still creating people he knows in advance are doomed eternally? I hope you see the logic in the question. It makes sense. I personally could not in good conscience create a prison called hell and still create people knowing that when they die are going to this prison and call myself merciful. It is a paradox. And if hell is a necessary evil, I have to ask you this. If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      Yes very good points. These are very deep theological things. How would I explain these difficulties and paradoxes? First, let me clearly say, that I am no where near to being this God. I can only try and explain my heavenly father. The way I see it, God created all souls and gave them free will. (I reject all the religions that say God pre-destined man to be sinners, or that through adam all humans are sinners) This is non-sence, (to believe sin is in the genes and outside of one's control). However, you mention God's unlimited knowledge. I believe in that, but do not see how this changes the fact of free will. I think God's creation was seen as good. Free will was a part of how he created humans. Free will is essential for hapiness, for freedom, for a life in paradise. Hell, does not need to be seen as a purley negative thing. In fact, hell has often caused or lead to the salvation of many souls. You ever hear of "baptism of fire" or "baptism of blood" Sometimes God's judgements and punishments, cause souls to be rifined and purified. It influences souls to repent, change, and turn away from evil, in favor of good.

      To see God as wrong....what can I say to this? If God is wrong, then this god is a fake idol, not worthy to be worshipped.

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      Posted this on Judah's Daughter's article on the seven years but she has a tendency to reject my comments.

      To settle this debate between Judah's Daughter and SwordofManticorE. I have come from an historicist background when it comes to the interpretation of the book of Revelation and I find a lot of things correct about both the preterist and futurist views of the second coming of Christ.

      Having said that, the historicist position basically is divided as to whether it all happened or not already but nevertheless, there are some things that the theologies of historicism has in common with preterism and futurism.

      Christ's second coming happened in 70 C.E. with the sacking of Jerusalem. A "coming" refers to an act of judgment brought by the supreme being. Christ "came" or judged Jerusalem in 70 C.E. This was the enactment of the Father. However, the futurists tend not to see this.

      Thus, the futurists think that the book of Revelation is about Christ's third coming. Which is a fleshly coming as planned out in the book of Acts.

      Note: the book of Revelation describes Christ's initial coming, then the bounding of the powers trying to suppress Christendom, then Christendom is allowed power back when these powers have been bounded. Finally, after the millenial reign, Christ comes physically.

      Thus, Revelation has two comings of Christ, has nothing to do with the antichrist, and has the third coming of Christ after the millenial reign which, if this interpretation is correct, we should be in now.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Interesting point friend, and I have also had my comments removed from her hubs, but that's her choice.

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      The historicist view is a mix. That is if it is traditional historicism. The SDA version is not the traditional version of historicism and I think that they come closer to holding futurism. Some historicists believe the second coming is future, some believe the second coming is figurative and happened a couple hundred years ago when the Papacy was thrown out of Rome by Napoleon.

      Traditional historicists believe that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire represent the first two beasts. The Roman Catholic Church they view as the Whore of the Apocalypse and the False Prophet. The word "met" can mean "with" or "among" so it is possible that the False Prophet changes shape according to historicism.

      http://biblos.com/

      There are some decent historicist commentaries here if you're interested.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      I believe that the prophecies of Revelations and Matt 24 and 25 were fulfilled AD70, and that the great whore was Jerusalem and still is.

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      John King IV 4 years ago

      I agree with the prophecies being fullfilled in 70 CE. However, as to "the whore" A whore is not a city or a religion. A whore is a female. Only humans can actually commit fornication. (have sex outside marriage) Jerusalem is not a woman, she does not have sex. I say the modern sex culture and economy is the real whore.

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      Savio Koman 4 years ago from Mumbai, India

      Hi Sword,

      I do like your hubs for the interesting new perspective you bring to the table. I consider myself not to be mature enough to say anything on hell, or if there is hell or not, but I do know for sure that there is Love... You, in fact, mention it in one of your posts here. It would be great to read your hubs on Love.

      Again, just a suggestion.

      Thanks!

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      @John King IV

      Judgment on Jerusalem’s Sins

      Ezk 22 The word of the Lord came to me:

      2 “Son of man, will you judge her? Will you judge this city of bloodshed? Then confront her with all her detestable practices 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You city that brings on herself doom by shedding blood in her midst and defiles herself by making idols, 4 you have become guilty because of the blood you have shed and have become defiled by the idols you have made. You have brought your days to a close, and the end of your years has come. Therefore I will make you an object of scorn to the nations and a laughingstock to all the countries. 5 Those who are near and those who are far away will mock you, you infamous city, full of turmoil.

      Her as in Jerusalem as the first bride of God.

      Isaiah 1:21See how the faithful city (Jerusalem) has become a prostitute! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her-- but now murderers!

      Jer 2:20"Long ago you broke off your yoke and tore off your bonds; you said, 'I will not serve you!' Indeed, on every high hill and under every spreading tree you lay down as a prostitute.

      Jer 13:27 your adulteries and lustful neighings, your shameless prostitution! I have seen your detestable acts on the hills and in the fields. Woe to you, Jerusalem! How long will you be unclean?"

      Do you need more to know that this city is a harlot in God's eyes, yet most Christians have been tricked into believing that this city is still holy and must support israel?

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      I'm actually doing a paper for one of my classes right now on how Revelation can be used to demonize others. e.g. the whore could be Roman Catholicism or Jerusalem - one demonizes Roman Catholicism, the other demonizes Jews. Have you heard of Eugene Boring?

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      No I have not heard about him, For the record. I once believe that the catholic church was the whore. Afterall, the first word for church in anglo saxon is "circe". Circe was the sorcerus goddess that tricked king Ulysses with her tainted chalice of wine to fornicate with him and turned his men into beasts. that is how quickly one can come to believe that the RC is the harlot.

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      Yeah, I know. I once believed it was too. But then I realized that Protestantism is really not much better...

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      Oh, and yes, Catholics at least have Purgatory as an option which is a hell (excuse the pun) of a lot better than eternal torment fire.

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      Lybrah 4 years ago

      This is me, a spiritual terrorist, rolling my eyes at you. Sword, you are deceived. You think you're closer to God now that you don't belong to a church? That is what Satan wants you to believe. --SMFH

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      I saw your ads promoting spiritual terrorism on your hell endorsing hub. Books by Bill Weiss and Mary K Baxter about hell, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least that you make money on your hub about hell and their lies. This qualifies you as a spiritual terrorist. After our little discussion on your hub, you have done nothing but straw man your answers to my questions. I haven't found a church yet that doesn't have a false teacher in it. Ever since I have learned that hell does not exist, my love and appreciation for my divine Father has grown and I don’t care if you don’t believe in me.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      While people are evil and sinful and need to be punished, the concept of an eternal torture chamber in hell as described by sick Fundamentalists such as Mary Baxter, Bill Wiese, David J. Stewart,etc, is monstrous inhuman cruelty. There are are more merciful, humane, intelligent, and constructive ways to punish human sin than this which are open to God. Alot of the Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, and full of contradictions and has caused mass disagreement, mass division, mass confusion for centuries. Among these contradictions is about what happens after death. In one passage the Bible says that the soul that sinneth shall surely die and in other passages the Bible describes a place or a condition where souls will be tortured in fire and worms. We're not going to get any straight, clear answers from the Bible folks. Another reason why an eternal torture chamber in hell is wrong is because as evil and as sinful as people are, we are not totally to blame for it. No one has total free will to do either good or evil. We have partial free will. Nature, nurture, genes, body chemistry, brain chemistry, and environmental conditions also dictates and determines human behavior whether bad or good. And if Adam and Eve corrupted human nature, then how could we have total free will? And if Satan or the Devil and demons corrupt human beings, then how could we have total free will? The concept of Adam and Eve's sin corrupting ALL future unborn humans is unfair. What was a talking, tempting snake and a lurking Satan doing in the Garden of Eden? If this was a test of faith then it was an unfair, immoral test. The creation was set up to be screwed and ruined in this manner. Why allow Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to all future unborn humans?Thats unfair. Every person should have a clean slate and not be born tainted with the original sin of Adam and Eve. Fundamentalists also claim that Nature and the natural world was also cursed and punished because of Adam and Eve's sin and violence, predation, killing, death, diseases, venomous pests, hurricanes, tsunamis, birth defects,etc also are a result of the Fall. Now innocent animals also have to suffer and die as well as sinful humans. The Bible God is unfair, irrational, unwise, unkind, unreasoning, unforgiving, and cruel. He has no common sense and He has no reasoning. This God threatens people with turning into cannibals and mothers shall eat their babies and He kills 70,000 men just because David took a census. Its sick and insane. Its embarrassing. Eldritch Abomination describes this God. Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7 says of God, "I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil." (King James Bible) The Bible God has a Jekyll and Hyde personality or is morally ambivalent. Only in Job does Satan inflict torture and killing in the Bible under God's permission. In nearly the entire Bible its God who is doing the torturing and killing. According to the sick preacher David J. Stewart, the torture of being buried alive in a claustrophobic environment similar to a coffin will be among the punishments in hell. Imagine being buried alive forever inside a coffin. Claustrophobia and suffocation. Its monstrous,. sick, diabolical, sadistic, malevolent cruelty worse than any horror movie. And there will be fire, worms, a sewer like stench, and being sliced and mutilated by demons forever. So hows that? Being burned by fire like charcoals, being tortured by worms, being buried alive in a claustrophobic environment, suffocation, an excrement like smell, and being mutilated and sliced by demons forever and ever. Is this a God of love and mercy? No this is a sick, cruel, insane, malevolent, sadistic monster whose cruelty is worse than Hitler, Stalin, Bundy, Gacy, and Vlad the Impaler. I cannot imagine a God being any more evil than this. Its beyond sick. Its beyond monstrous. This belief in hell is infinitely vastly worse than any horror movie. Absolutely monstrous, fiendish, diabolical, malevolent inhuman cruelty beyond imagining. Im going to end up in a mental hospital from fear. Its hard enough to believe in a loving God who creates or who allows cancer, malaria, anthrax, ebola, mass starvation, genocides,etc. According to Fundamentalists billions of people are doomed to hell. Why allow billions of people to be born when He knows they are headed to hell? If Satan and demons are to blame for evil and suffering in the world then why is God allowing it? Its a deficient God. The Devil and evil rules the world. A loving God does not. I live in endless fear.

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      @anonymous. Though you may not believe in my Father. He believes in you and you have absolutely nothing to fear, because His love and mercy is perfect. We live in a world full of contrasts so that when our time is done here, we will know His love and appreciate His rewards better.Thank you so much for posting your comment. It was most definitely well thought out.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Dear Sword of Manticore your hub is refreshing. You have more wisdom than all the Fundamentalists and Calvinists put together and you are more moral and more humane than they are. Fundamentalists and Calvinists worship a cruel God and most of them dont even know it. They worship evil. I prefer Dualistic religions such as Gnosticism, Manicheism, and Zoroastrianism. I prefer Gnostic Christianity. The God of Catholics and most Protestants is cruel and insane. Fundamentalists and Creationists dont seem to understand that by taking the Bible literally word for word makes God culpable for much of the evil and suffering in the world. Because the Bible says that God created all things this would include such horrible things as cancer, malaria, tapeworms, ebola, brown recluse spiders, stonefish(a venomous fish with an unimaginably painful sting) tooth decay, birth defects and monstrous deformities, mental retardation, hurricanes, tsunamis,etc. Why would anyone want to believe that God created every disease and every venomous pest and every repulsive worm, snail, and slug? Cancer is not what I expect a good God to create but rather something the Devil or a demon to create. We're to believe that prior to Adam and Eve's Oeiginal Sin or The Fall, the world was a paradise and peaceable kingdom and only after Adam and Eve sinned did the world become the troubled, miserable place which we're so familiar with. This is unfair, unjust, immoral, insane, unwise, and cruel. Notice in God's initial warning to Adam and Eve He says nothing about sin or diseases or mass starvation or hurricanes or genocides or hell. Only AFTER Adam and Eve sin this irrational, insane, unreasoning God decides to curse and punish the ENTIRE creation along with Adam and Eve. Its petty, childish, immature, cruel, unjust, insane, and stupid behavior for a God. This God decides to trash His ENTIRE creation for the sin of two people thousands of years ago. Outrage. Absolute outrage. This is the insanity and stupidity taught by our religion. The earthly life is a hell and the next life will be a vastly worse hell lasting forever for billions of people because two ignorant humans ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago. Its beyond insanity. Its beyond stupidity. This is not love and mercifulness. This is not omniscience. This is not morality. This is not the kind of God I would like to worship. The Bible God is unreasoning, unkind, unjust, egomaniacal, vain, hypocritical, and cruel to the umpteenth degree. He supposedly hates violence and killing and yet He inflicts violence and killing wholesale in the Bible. He killed millions of people in the Bible(40 to 50 percent of the time for trivial reasons or for silly reasons such as David taking a census and for touching or for peeking inside the Ark of the Covenant and for just complaining) and He killed millions to billions of animals in the Bible(often good innocent animals were killed by this God.) The Bible God punishes children for the sins of their parents and vice versa, punishes people for the sins of ancestors, punishes animals for the sins of human beings, punishes the entire community for the sins of a single person, and punishes the entire creation for all time for the sin of two people, Adam and Eve. His punishments are monstrously cruel, inhumane, destructive, and beyond what we can imagine. This God cannot see sin in His cruel, inhumane punishments and He cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence and He cannot see sin in the evil and suffering which He ALLOWS. He has allowed thousands to millions of years of evil, sin, suffering, death, and extinctions. He allows every kind of horror from cancer, aneurysm, the Holocaust, 9/11, grievous car accidents and crimes where victims are decapitated or slaughtered. Its an absentee landlord for a God. When this God intervenes He tortures and kills people and animals as in the Bible or He doesnt intervene at all and chooses to be remote, silent, aloof. Its pitiful and embarrassing behavior for a God. The Nature He created is full of violence and killing. So He does what He forbids and He forbids what He does and He creates what He forbids and He forbids what He creates. Its a morally conflicting, mentally incomprehensible, confusing, contradictory, morally impossible God with more contradictions than Charles Manson. Most disturbing is His violence and cruelty which can be seen in much of the Bible and in much of Nature. Would an all good God create ticks, fleas, lice, the Brazilian Wandering Spider, Stonefish, centipedes, jellyfish, cancer, anthrax, tooth decay,etc? If the Devil or demons created these horrors then why does God allow it? Why spoil and ruin your creation? Why allow Satan and demons the power and freedom to spoil, ruin, and corrupt the creation? Why did He create this certain angel who turned evil and who became Satan? If God had any common sense He would have refrained from creating this certain angel who became Satan. Dont create it. Dont do it. Sadly the Bible God has no common sense and He has no reasoning. He is insane, immoral, amoral. Free will, Satan, and Adam and Eve. These are the ingredients and the recipe for disaster, tragedy, travesty, failure and has caused a hell on earth and a vastly worse hell lasting forever in the next life for billions of people. I would like to believe that you are right but I fear that God is not so loving. I fear that God is evil or partly evil and insane as described by the Bible. Thank you for allowing me to write.

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      charlie 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      as is usual the case, some of what you say is true, but when you go to the damnable false doctrine of "ultimte reconcilliation of all" (universalism) and call it truth you have gone too far and negate whatever validity you had.

      If all are to be saved whether they accept Christ as savior or not then why would Jesus say this? and many other similar statements He made.

      Mark 16:15-17 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

      NKJV

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      Lybrah 3 years ago

      Why would Jesus even die in the first place if all were saved? I don't know who is crazier here, Swordofwhatever or Anonymous!

      And by the way, this is the dumbest hub I've ever read. You don't know me! Don't presume to tell me I desire cash when I earn pennies on this site. I don't even do it for the money. Writing is my hobby--not that I owe you an explanation.

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      @celafoe What did Christ save us from?

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      @Lybrah how did you know that I wrote this hub about people like you?

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      charlie 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      for one false doctrines like your "Universalism"

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      @anonymous, Thank you for your words and I can say with great appreciation. I understand were you are coming from. I once too cursed my Heavenly Father for the same reasons of what you wrote. Yet He came to me through scripture and has shown me that all these false teachings and false doctrines by modern day evangelicals are a spiritual cancer. This world evolves by what we believe as truth. These evangelical pastors are far from God like. If you were a child and road a bicycle for the first time and fell. They would have you believe that you fell because of your sins and you will continue falling until you stop sinning. A true spiritual teacher would pick you up and encourage you and stay with you until you could ride the bicycle without him. Fear is a powerful tool used by evangelicals to gain profit and power by it. I assure you that once their congregation learns that hell is a church made lie, their profits will decline as well as church attendance. God did not create us so we could be eternally tortured later. He knew the numbers of hair on your arm before creation. He allowed Adam to eat of the apple for a reason. So we all would know contrast here on this earth. The comparison will come when we all die and go back to our Father. Look at the parable of the prodigal son. A spiritually wise person once told me that this parable could also mean that there were two possibilities for His creation. Keep us all with Him in heaven and be spoiled, miserable brats without appreciating our Fathers love, or send us out into the world that you called hell on earth, so that when we go back, we will see His merciful nature and love for us and be grateful for it. I have been told many times by evangelicals that I have been refuted by them and that my belief of universal reconciliation of all with God is hateful, diabolical, satanic, a lie, unchristian like, ignorant, ungodly, evil, and even heresy, but if it is heresy, it is a wonderful, beautiful heresy. God be with you my friend.

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      I will ask you one more time celafoe. What did Christ save us from?

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Dear Sword of Manticore you are the only one here talking sense. You are more of a human being and more of a Christian and wiser and more moral and more enlightened than Lybrah or those other sick Fundamentalists such as Mary Baxter, Bill Wiese, David J. Stewart, Fred Phelps, John Calvin, Thomas Aquinas, Tertullian, and Saint Augustine. Fundamentalists cannot see the cruelty of their beliefs. The doctrine of an eternal torture chamber of fire, worms, excrement, claustrophobia, suffocation, and being mutilated and sliced by demons forever is sick, monstrous, fiendish, diabolical, idiotic, sadistic, malevolent cruelty which is beyond any words to describe. Thats not a loving God. Thats not mercifulness. Thats not omniscience. Thats not even sane. I wrote before how unfair it was to have Adam and Eve's sin passed on to ALL future unborn humans. God cursing and punishing the ENTIRE creation for all rime for the sin of two people who ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago is insanity, injustice, stupidity, idiocy, asininity, insanity, travesty, cruelty. This God is blaming everyone for Adam and Eve's sin. So its predecided and predetermined that I would be born a sinner worthy of hell and I have to suffer physically and mentally and die for what Adam and Eve did or for something I had no say in and for something I had no part of and for something that happened THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE I WAS EVEN BORN. This is sick. This is a travesty. And this is the stupidity and insanity taught by our religion. Fundamentalists cannot see the insanity, immorality, and stupidity of their beliefs. What did Jesus come to save us from if there is no hell they ask? How about he came to save us from death or annihilation? Fundamentalists cannot see the hypocrisy of their beliefs nor the absurdities of their beliefs. Let me go on to another blog before the computer cuts me off. Thank you for posting my comments dear friend. Your hub is more intelligent and wiser and more moral than all the Lybrahs put together.

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      @anonymous, Though your compliments bring me joy, I cannot in good faith claim them. I have nothing other than what has been given to me by my Father. All glory be given to Him my friend. Remember this. Those who teach and preach about hell are still and always will be our brothers and sister though they refuse to fellowship with us. Pity them, and know that there is a reason why they believe as they do. Know this. The true Gospel (Great news) is finally being given back to the followers of Christ and it is being embraced by Millions with great joy and peace. Peace on earth and good will to all mankind.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Dear Sword of Manticore. There is more to say about this subject. Traditional Christianity looks on us as being heretics, apostates, or blasphemers. If the Bible and Christianity is the only true way to God and salvation then why didnt He make Himself clear? I wrote before that the Bible has caused disagreement, division, confusion for centuries. There are many different churches and denominations to choose and confuse with each one yelling something different. The Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, and full of contradictions from Genesis to Revelation. Its incredible incompetence for a God to cause or to allow all this division and confusion especially if our eternal souls are at stake. This God has set humanity up for failure and He has set Himself up to be rejected. This God allows humans ro have a sinful nature with flawed brains and with flawed bodies and in a flawed, dangerous, screwed up Natural world and He punishes people for Adam and Eve's sin and He punishes people for being weak, flawed, imperfect humans. If God wants people to be perfect and sinless then why didnt He create us that way? How can He expect perfection and sinlessness from naturally imperfect, sinful creatures? He is punishing us in part for being what Nature made us to be. Why does He allow good innocent animals to suffer and die? Why wont He communicate with us and explain to us in a clear manner for all to understand what we are to believe and how we are to live? Why communicate with just a handful of unknown people from the Bronze Age in the Middle East? Why does this God keep changing His mind with each person He reveals Himself to? Why does He choose to be silent and hidden? And if the majority of people are headed to hell in the next life then this is a win for Satan and Jesus Christ's mission to save us was largely a failure. I hope Fundamentalists are reading this. Why dont these Fundamentalists acknowledge and admit that if they really believe the mass of humanity is doomed to hell than this is a win for Satan and its a loss for God and Jesus. Admit it Fundamentalists. Satan is winning in the campaign for souls. In Mary Baxter's sick, disgusting book, Jesus will scold sinners being tortured in hell. Jesus will rub it in their faces and say, "See, this is what happens when you disbelieve me. You were warned while you were on earth but you didnt listen. Its too late now." Mary Baxter's Jesus has no mercy and will not forgive and will allow the damned to be roasted in fire forever. And this is supposedly the "love your enemies, turn the other cheek Jesus. So God's forgiveness has an expiration date. Its sick, cruel, inhumane, disgusting. In Bill Wiese's sick, disgusting, warped book, 23 Minutes in Hell, He describes fire, a sewer like stench, suffocation or the inability to breathe, and being assaulted, sliced, and mutilated by repulsive, demonic monsters. Its sick. Its damn sick. And according to the sick preacher David J. Stewart, victims in hell will be buried alive forever in a claustrophobic environment forever as they are burned by fire at the same time. This is CRIMINAL CRUELTY. We worship a nasty, cruel monster. We worship evil. This is SICK. Its beyond sick. Its beyond disgusting. Its beyond horrible. Its beyond insanity. Its beyond stupidity. Its beyond monstrous. A loving, merciful God would not do this to so many of His creatures. I'll say it again. If this belief in hell is true, then this is a win for Satan and a loss for Jesus and it makes God a monster whose cruelty is unimaginable and beyond words. Another thing I would like to mention is that heaven with such a God is less than ideal. I dont know if I would be happy in heaven with such a cruel God. The belief that one of the joys of heaven will be watching the damned suffer in hell is sick, sadistic, diabolical cruelty or something a sick mind such as John Calvin would dream up. If my beloved family and relatives are not there in heaven and if my beloved pets are not with me in heaven, then how could I be happy? Religious people say that those in heaven will either 1) totally forget about their earthly loved ones who didnt make it to heaven or 2) they will remember their earthly loved ones but it will no longer matter to them and they will just accept it. Thats disgusting. I dont want to forget about my loved ones and I dont want to just accept that they will not be with me. My family, my relatives, and my pets are rhe most important things to me which I love. I cannot do without them in the next life. Personally, I prefer Spiritualism or Theosophy in the Astral planes of existence for the next life. I would be happiest in the 6 th astral plane with my fsmily, relatives, and my pets. This is better than the Christian belief of either a heaven or hell. Fundamentalists will say that Spiritualism and Theosophy and Gnosticism and Universal Salvation are all "lies by Satan to deceive us." Anything thats counter to the Bible or not found in the Bible is labeled as Satanic deception or demonic deception by Fundamentalist Christians. So all ghosts, hauntings, ESP, near death experiences, out of body experiences, and all manner of unexplained phenomena are labeled as Satanic or demonic deceptions. Anything outside the Bible is labeled as Satanic or demonic. Thats very unfortunate for it closes us to many interesting possibilities. I dont know what kind of God we worship.

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      Lybrah 3 years ago

      Universalism is a nice idea. Wouldn't it be great if all of us were automatically saved. But then we would not need Jesus, and His death would be meaningless. Sword, you need to reread the New Testament carefully. I suggest using The Message because that version is broken up into layman's terms. I think teaching about hell is profitable because people need to be warned about the terror that awaits them after they die. Anyone can say, "Well, I just don't believe that; therefore it isn't true," but then again, it's real whether you want to believe it or not.

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      Without Christ, we would all still be a sleep in our graves. That is why we need Him and why He paid the price for all and He will get what He paid for. I once did believe in hell and praise God He opened my eyes to this insane belief. You only encourage readers to worship or else. You encourage them to worship only to avoid eternal torture preventing them from knowing what perfect love and mercy is capable of and never being perfect in love as found in 1John4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

      You are a spiritual terrorist and if you fear going to hell, you are not perfect in love.

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      Lybrah 3 years ago

      I'm a spiritual terrorist then. Bombs away!

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      SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

      If you say so.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Whether its true or not the belief in an eternal torture chamber in hell with fire, worms, suffocation, excrement, being buried alive in a claustrophobic, coffin like environment, and being mutilated and sliced by demons is monstrously sick, sadistic, diabolical, fiendish, malevolent, inhuman, satanic, unimaginable cruelty, evil, horror. As I wrote before, no one has total free will. Read my earlier comments above in case you have forgotten. Fundamentalists need to be constantly reminded of this and it needs to be explained to them that God is at least partly to blame for our evil and sinfulness if the Bible is true. God set up humanity and the entire creation up for failure, disaster, tragedy, misery. God is a lousy, irresponsible parent almost from the start. He allowed evil and danger to enter the Garden of Eden in the form of a talking, tempting snake and a lurking Satan in the background. In His initial warning to Adam and Eve, God doesnt bother telling them that the fate of the entire creation was hanging in the balance on whether or not Adam and Eve would obey God. God doesnt bother telling them anything about sin, diseases, mass starvation, hurricanes, tsunamis, genocides, and an eternal hell for the next life. The whole creation was set up to be screwed. As we all know, Adam and Eve disobey and eat the forbidden fruit. Instead of forgiving them and giving them a second chance, this unfair, unreasoning, spiteful, unforgiving, cruel God curses and punishes them and allows their sin to spread to ALL future unborn humans. If thats not bad enough, He curses and punishes Nature and the natural world with predation, violence, killing, diseases, venomous pests, hurricanes, tsunamis, birth defects, etc. So the world lost paradise and gained a hell because two ignorant humans ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago. This is SICK. Us humans are expected to forgive our enemies seventy times seven but God cant do the same. He refuses to forgive Adam and Eve and in refusing to forgive the first human beings, He trashes and ruins ALL future humanity and He trashes and ruins the ENTIRE creation for all time. This makes my blood boil in anger. The Bible God wrote the book on How to Screw and Ruin Your Creation. And He allows us humans to remain in our sinfulness, our failures, and our defects, and He allows us to suffer and die. He has no intelligent, constructive solution to offer us and He has no merciful, humane solution to offer us. This God's mentality is like a one way street with a dead end. He doesnt help us, He doesnt heal us, He doesnt provide for us, and He doesnt protect us. Its a deadbeat, absentee landlord for a God. This is called dereliction of duty. Irresponsible, negligent, incompetent. Its pitiful. Many good people suffer and die and millions of good innocent animals suffer and die every year that goes by and this God just folds His hands and allows it. Human nature isnt going to heal by itself and Nature's defects and cruellties(of which there are many) isnt going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. He has failed to heal and continues to fail. Some misguided religious folks say that God doesnt stop human evil because that would take away free will. I explained esrlier(see my earlier comment above) that we dont have total free will. And even if we did have total free will, which we dont, even if we had total free will that still does NOT justify having and allowing eons of evils, cruelties, miseries, and horrors. Free will does not justify turning the world into a hellhole and a horror movie. Free will does not justify trashing and ruining your creation. And free will does not justify having an eternal torture chamber in hell for billions of people in the next life. Misguided religious folks say that in order for God to rid the world of evil He would have to kill every person since everybody has evil in them. This shows how ignorant they are. First of all, not all of us are so evil that its necessary for God to kill us. Secondly, there are more intelligent, constructive, merciful, and humane ways for God to rid the world of evil than killing everyone. Why cant God just change people's minds and change people's hearts as they sleep and make us kinder, more altruistic, more gentle, more humane? Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. This God doesnt know how to help and doesnt know how to heal. All He knows how to do is punish punish punish, kill, kill, kill. And when He isnt punishing and killing, He neglects us. Cruelty and negligence are His ways. He knows no better. He cannot manage His creation in an intelligent, constructive manner and He cannot manage His creation in a merciful, humane manner. Violence, torture, killing, death, insanity, incompetence, negligence, stupidity, and cruelty are His ways. Having a screwed up world is part of His unknowable divine plan which us humans cant understand. If we dont understand and if we dont know what His divine plan is, then why wont He tell us? Why does He choose to remain silent and secret about it? Theres some kind of deficiency in this God in my personal opinion and He has chosen to keep silent and secret about it. He expects us all to have blind faith and blind trust. The Bible also says that God creates evil. If He created us and if He orchestrated this immoral experiment with free will and Adsm and Eve, then He is at least partly to blame for human evil and sin. And what do diseases, centipedes, hurricanes, and tsunamis have to do with Adam and Eve's sin? Isnt it unfair to inflict these horrors just because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit? The creator or the manufacturer of human beings and of Nature is at least partly to blame for the evils, sins, defects, and flaws in His creation.The creator or God is not so good, or not so moral, or not so loving, or not so intelligent, or not so wise, or not so powerful. Its also possible He is insane. Maybe God or the creator is blind. Not visually blind, but He is mentally blind and morally blind and js unable to see and unable to understand the cruelty, immorality, the wrong, the stupidity, the insanity, and the destructiveness of what He does and what He ALLOWS. Allowing thousands to millions of years of evil, sin, suffering and death suggests a mentally blind and morally blind being is in charge of the creation. A wise, sane, morally good God cannot be in control of this screwed up world. The Devil and evil rules the world. Theres alot to worry about.

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