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Proud of my Country (another rant)

Updated on January 3, 2012

Okay, time for another rant, this one has been building slowly and today I had to let this one out. I was on forum I sometimes frequent, and the amount of folks on there who seem to be disgusted with our country is incredible. I’m not sure WHY so many today seem to have this love affair with BASHING America…..Attacking its heritage, the religion that was once very prevalent in its founding. This strong “need” to apologize to other countries because of our “arrogance”, as President Obama recently proclaimed. It seems as if being PROUD of our Country has somehow become a bag thing.


I just think we must be reminded that we, the United States of America have done more to promote freedom and democracy in the world than the rest of the entire planet. With American Pride, we are always, the first nation to immediately help out another nation after a major disaster. It is Americans that PROUDLY grows the food that feeds starving people all over this earth. It is PROUD Americans that develops the drugs and delivers, personally, to cure the sick across this world. It is Proud Americans that has always been able to help raise other countries from grinding poverty and make better lives for their families.


But somehow, we have large groups of citizens who think it is arrogant, to use the words “proud to be an American”.


I don’t know about you, but I still get a small lump in my throat when I am asked to place my hand over my heart and face the flag at ballgames while we play our National Anthem. When I see soldiers in uniform, when I walk into an election booth, when I get to watch fireworks with my family every 4th of July, when I walk into my church every Sunday, or just being able to watch my kids open gifts on Christmas morning are all PROUD moments when I am so thankful that I am an American.


Yet, today we have so many folks who are becoming lethargic and apathetic with the all of the freedoms we all have. The phrase that JFK instilled in so many of us years ago, with "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"….has somehow been transformed into demanding what this country can do for “ME”.


I’m mean think about it! Right now our country is very much divided. But, we have the freedom to speak and express our opinions. It is up to us to settle our own issues. We have the privilege to sit down in the comfort of our homes and turn on a TV, and watch our potential leader’s debate and try to convince us on why they should be our next President of the United States. Even though I very much disagree with our current leadership, I am still proud to live in a country knowing that its citizens have the right to change directions or to continue down the chosen path.


I know that some may be getting tired of my constant writing on American pride, but I have this burning passion and love affair with my country. I really do. The biggest regret I have in my life is that I never served my country by joining the Military. I think that may be one reason why I want so badly to see to it that my children have the same privileges that I have had. My faith in God, love for my family are all possible because of the PROUD forefathers that gave their lives to create this nation, PROUD Americans that gave their lives to protect this nation, and well, just all of the Americans who are PROUD of this country.


To sum it all up for me as Christmas approaches, I am looking forward to spending time with my family, and to reflect upon my religious freedoms that were given to me. For me and my family, we proudly accept that Christmas is exactly what it was meant to be. Celebrating the birth of Christ and the through that birth gives us the opportunity to have eternal freedoms.


May you all have a Merry Christmas,



CMerritt


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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      concernedvet,

      I appreciate your very personal response. I understand your frustration. It is very distrubing how much others who live here are willing to take advantage of this Nation...and the people who pay taxes for it to be wasted away....furthermore, even more of a slap in the face of those, like yourself, who have served in the military, to assure we keep these freedoms and liberties.

      Be prideful in the fact, that the pendulam swings back and forth, and I believe that it is swinging back to the right....after so many years of the left and its liberal ways...people are starting to wake up.....just as we witnessed in Wisconsin.

      Hang in there, and continue to stay strong...this IS the greatest Nation on earth.

      Chris

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      concernedvet 5 years ago

      I understand what is being said, and I have something to say that some may not agree with or believe. I am upset because it seems our wonderful country pays more attention to illegal immigrants than its own. Where I live there is a Haitian lady who came to this country illegally many years ago. She left Florida (paid for by US tax dollars) after doing one year in a camp. She now resides in WA state. Not too long after (after being given housing, utility and food assistance) she had gone to Openworks (cleaning franchise) with cash in hand that our government gave her (she had no job, still awaiting her green card - yes in this state illegals can get their green cards)to start a cleaning franchise (I went there and the only program they have for vets is half down now, half down in 6 weeks and oh yeah it may take up to 6 months to get work). So when she started she still received free assistance until she started getting business. Now, some 15 years later (and still a green card holder) she makes $8000 per month, lives in a 7 bedroom house, and get this because she still has a green card she still gets food stamps and at any given time she has illegals living with her. I know this because she used to be a friend of my wife, and we stopped visiting because my wife got tired of her jabbing insults to me stating "Hah! Your own government will do more for me than you and you were stupid enough to risk your life for them!" Now, I was angry, but not so much at her as my own government. While our country is still the best I have noticed that our leadership will quickly turn a blind eye to situations that I described above. I wrote my representative for well over two years and the only response I finally received was a standard form letter stating,in so many words; leave it alone. I am an honorably discharged vet, jumped into Panama while under fire and was with 7th group for Desert Shield/Storm. I have my undergraduate in Biology and I have been unemployed for well over a year and about to lose my home and family and yet I see illgals/green card holders excelling while I am being left in the dust. I do feel jilted, and I do feel that Haitian person may be correct in that I have wasted my time serving and risking my life for this country. Haitians, by the way; do not like caucasians, I have been told to my face many times and found the best way to get them to close their mouths is to remind them that it was the Clinton's and their administration that allowed them entry. That makes them shut up fast. Why are people who dislike us so encouraged to come here by any means (illegally and still can get a green card which is beyond me) and thrive and get benefits that I as an American could never get. I do not know if this happens elsewhere, but would like to know. I am strong, but my faith in my country has diminished.

      Thank you for reading

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Wow, you must be very proud to have that many from your family to have served or are serving.....thank YOU and your family....I really do apprecaite your comments.

      Chris

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      Michelle Orelup 5 years ago from Houston, TX

      CMerritt, thank you for this hub. As the mother, sister, aunt and sister-in-law to men who have served in the United States Marine Corps I stand with you as a proud American. Proud of our heritage, proud of our military, proud of our flag. I look forward to reading more! God Bless.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Phyllis,

      I think there are still many of us who do take that song and that flag serious...thank you for visiting.

      Chris

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      Phyllis Doyle Burns 5 years ago from High desert of Nevada.

      I, too, "still get a small lump in my throat when I am asked to place my hand over my heart and face the flag at ballgames" -- thank you for saying that and for all the other words for our beloved country. Great hub!

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Thank you htodd...

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      htodd 5 years ago from United States

      We should be proud of that ..No problem

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      As CMerrit, there is no need to apologize.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      feenix, no need to apologize for anything....you are ALWAYS, welcome to say what you will on any of my hubs...

      I will look forward to your next hub....please take care.

      Chris

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Hello, CM,

      I really do apologize for junking up your comments section with my "compulsive behavior."

      Presently, I am going through one of my "spells" and, as a matter of fact, I am going to write a hub about that, in about two days.

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Hello, Claire,

      Actually, you are quite right. I did not know what I was talking about.

      The truth is, I was spouting off about something that I should have kept my mouth closed about.

      Quite often, I really do get carried away and my mouth goes into gear before my brain is ignited.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      Feenix, I actually don’t believe you know what you are talking about. You claimed that the towers were mostly made of glass and aluminium and not steel. I proved you wrong.

      I’m not sure if you are aware that the steel did melt. Iron molten was discovered pouring out of the towers and in the debris. The debris of the towers was very hot for three months after the attacks. That is not due to an office fire.

      As very evident, the fires were actually virtually out by the time the towers went down due to the huge black and grey plumes of smoke. That is indicative of a weak fire.

      Of course it was evident that the towers fell at free speed as seen in demolitions. The law of the conservation of momentum would mean that there would have been resistance at each floor during the collapse but there was none. How did the cores collapse?

      “Most engineers at this day say, that there is NO design that can withstand such an attack...”

      Lol.

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Hey, CM,

      Everything you wrote is very, very true. And the reason why I know is "I wuz there."

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Claire,

      You have caused me to do some quick research and it only fulfilled what I already knew....

      you said the towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it...the Titanic was designed to sustain ice bergs too.

      When 10,000 gallons of jet fuel is smashed at a high rate of speed...it creates an enormous explosion...the steel frames in the tower did have to need to melt, but they did lose some of their structural strength. Steel will begin to lose over half its strength when temperatures reach 1,200 degrees...the floors pancaked causing a collapse.....Most engineers at this day say, that there is NO design that can withstand such an attack....

      the bottom line is still just as we said...NO CONSPIRACY...it is what it is.

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Fine, Claire. You want me to "argue" with you about 9-11, and I want to talk about conspiracy theories in general.

      So, where do we go from here?

      And for your information, when the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed, that resulted in a badly-wounded Bill Clinton getting a very big boost in the polls.

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Thank you, Will.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "The towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it."

      No, they were designed to withstand one hit by a Boeing 707, the largest airliner of that day, and that was predicated on a fog condition in which the aircraft would be flying slowly. The 767's were at full throttle, and slammed into the towers at nearly the speed of sound, far exceeding the predicted impact forces.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      I am not familiar with the conspiracy with the Oklahoma City Federal Building. I'm talking about 9-11 now.

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Claire Evans,

      Yes, and what about the Oklahoma City Federal Building?

      How do you suppose that a rental truck filled with 55-gallon drums of homemade, manure-based explosives took down the entire front of that structure so cleanly and evenly?

      The word on the streets is that was a conspiracy carried out by members of the IRA so they could repay Bill Clinton for being the first U.S. president to recognize them.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      The towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it. WTC 7 wasn't hit by any plane but fell from the bottom like a demolition.

      If you want to argue with me regarding 9-11, and you seem to have a lot of knowledge about it because only someone who knows the facts and can prove it has even business dismissing the conspiracy theories and facts, go to my blog:

      http://claireevans.hubpages.com/hub/What-the-Haiti

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Claire Evans,

      No, I do not think you are gullible at all.

      What you are is impressionable, or easily led to believe in whatever some one or the other theorizes.

      And, of course, just like all other skyscrapers, the WTC twin towers were largely of "steel construction."

      It is just that they were not nearly as "steel-granite-concrete constructed" as such NYC skyscrapers as the Empire State Building and Chrysler Building.

      And since you are looking into conspiracies, why don't you devote some time to checking out what is behind the ongoing AIDS epidemic and the "crack epidemic" of the 1980's and 1990's.

      Also, you should check out the conspiracy theories about the reasons why abortion was legalized in the U.S.

      And so far as that goes, you should look into the conspiracy theories about the "real reasons" why the founding fathers of the U.S. carried out the War of Independence against England.

      In summation, if you pick out any major or catastrophic event in history, you will also find a set of conspiracy theories connected to that event.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "I am confident that there are still MORE people like you and I, that understand our country, than those who chose to find the bad in it and run with it."

      I agree. The anti-American, 'Barack Obama types' are still in the minority, and most Americans think like we do.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      tillsontitan,

      I thank you for your support and your votes.

      I am confident that there are still MORE people like you and I, that understand our country, than those who chose to find the bad in it and run with it.

      I appreciate you coming by,

      Chris

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      Mary Craig 5 years ago from New York

      Coming late to this hub and reading all the comments I can only speak for myself. As an American I never claimed to be perfect, as an American I never claimed to know all I should about the law and what our government is doing at every moment of every day but as an American I am proud to live in a country that tries to do right. As an American I am proud to be free and love God and country. I out right cry when I hear the National Anthem. My father-in-law is a member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, my husband is a Member of the American Legion and my son is a member of the National Guard and is employed by Homeland Security. I am proud of them and I am proud to be an American.

      Keep writing CMerritt. This was a moving hub and a reminder of what we have and what we need to be thankful for!

      Voted up and interesting! Not only was your hub handled well but your comments were too.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Thank YOU Eiddwen!

      I appreciate it.

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      Eiddwen 5 years ago from Wales

      Wow I thought I was never going to get to the final comment.

      It's easy to see why though ,thanks for sharing and I vote up.

      Take care

      Eddy.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Claire, I've visited your hub (Part 1) and left a comment. You won't like it but I've read it and commented.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      and YOU do the same.

      Chris

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      Okay, you can come in the New Year. Enjoy your time with your family.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      tis the holiday season, I WILL be by, but have some family time to attend to still.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      So Longhunter and CMerrit...when you are coming over to my hub to refute my argument? At least Willstarr participated in the debate...I'd like you to keep your end of the bargain.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Will, I think your definition is exactly what is intended...murder and killing are two completly different words and intentions.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Dusty, you know you ALWAYS have my respect, and your thoughts are always valued by me...and I do not believe I have ever fully disagreed with anything you have posted.

      Peace and blessings to YOU,

      Chris

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      sweetiepie, I have no disprespect for you or your opinions....if you feel that way, No disrespect was intended, other than I 100% disagree with you regarding oour forefathers.

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      50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

      Hi Will,

      I thank you for that thought! it runs much deeper than what we thought about what we did as teens partially back in the day before the 20 or more years passed where we could about it and read things declassified and now plunging into many documentaries released about the times spent in the different areas,http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=ends...

      dusty

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Dusty,

      In the original Hebrew, the word is "Ratsach", which means "murder" in that Commandment:

      "Thou shall not murder"

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      50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

      Chris, I respect you and I hope you know that. The same respect I extend to many participants here, like WillStarr and others that I have been reading some over much of my three years here, I don't think I need to list all one by one as most know who they are and our history of trading respectful words. I have seen Ms Evans about and until now I really wasn't struck by a stand out reason to consider her or her work. Not because it isn't good, accurate or any other class, it's that I don't know her and I like Will, will pick the brunt of all I've just read up where it is the topic. That said, I did write a hub that I need to update about Obama signing a dead or alive warrant to get Anwar Awlaki. At that time not a lot of information was revealed and I had a problem with an assassination warrant being signed against a US born citizen by a president who had spent 100s of thousands of dollars blocking any court from reaching what I consider part of the legal requirements of any person running for office to provide the required information that is part of a "Republic"[a system based on laws] and the president refused to comply with those laws.

      Back to Anwar Awlaki, he is/was, the first American citizen that was denied due process of law before being sentenced to death. That part I was sure of, and the fact they did not provide anything past "he's a terrorist" hurt my thoughts in regard to his not being specifically charged with any information. I heard he had family in the Yemen area and that was all. So to date I have left the hub stand as at the time it was written the charge is still my opinion of "unwarranted". He is by all accounts now dead. I understand that he was killed by a CIA remote controlled drone that was flown from a controller in Huston Texas that fired a missile into a convoy of vehicles and the correct vehicle hit ending in the death of him and another US Citizen. I'm still unconvinced that the convoy could have been stopped and taken by boots on the ground capturing him and the other citizen and then taken to the water-board and commencements begun. My thoughts swing that way because in the time prior, it was finally released that he was in on 9/11, the underwear bomber,and just about every attack or attempted attack of notoriety. It seems to me that if he was as described a planner, an assembly man who put in place the people who didn't know each other, together to get a deed in motion or via computer telling the "Fort Hood terrorist shooter" "do it now!" That he would have been a wealth of information, better alive than dead. If he didn't talk, well a blow torch and pliers, bubbling his skin and peeling him like a catfish is not off the table as far as I'm concerned, but I have seen more of the insides of friends than I care to remember or discuss. I, like you am Proud to have been blessed by God to be born American, a Christian American family, all of my family were Marines and served with out question. I pray that this country does not morph into a nation like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan and so many more that disregard the citizens and their rights that were given to each one of us with the Constitution, Bill of rights, Federalist Papers etc.

      I have a firm line drawn in the sand I will not cross, beginning with my responsibilities to Jesus Christ and his greatest command to love each and every person as I do myself. I have to say given my past the "though shalt not kill" command is tough on my old brain. When I stand in judgement I have no idea what I'm going to say when asked "why" I did what I did in the days called "the old man"vs the "new man", I guess pre-baptized versus post baptized. I can only hope that asking forgiveness and being granted forgiveness holds that my forgiven sins will be finished business and I wont have to answer for the times that ended up in the bottom of a bottle before my turning to Christ for admission to them and asking forgiveness and the ability to sleep again and being granted that most nights I can sleep these days, after learning that he does forgive and learning to forgive myself as well. Probably to much said but it is what it is, no?

      Peace and blessings,

      Much love,

      Dust

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "I have written my own hub!"

      So you have...sort of. I'm taking it over there.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Feenix,

      Hello.

      "Essentially, the two towers were like houses made out of playing cards and they were not really "steel buildings".

      Do you think I’m that gullible? There is no one, but you, that has ever claimed the buildings weren't made of steel.

      This FEMA report clearly talks about two samples of steel beams:

      http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

      Excerpt from this page:

      “Floors within the substructure were of reinforced concrete flat-slab construction, supported by structural steel columns. Many of these steel columns also provided support for the structures located above the plaza level. fema.gov_p11”

      http://thermalimages.nfshost.com/index.php/World_T...

      Obviously those who believe 9-11 is an inside job and those who do not completely disagree on some things, but everyone is unanimous when it comes to the WTC being made of steel.

      If they weren’t steel buildings, then why was there molten iron in the debris?

      Chief Executive of the London stated:

      "molten metal which was still red-hot weeks after the event," as well as "four-inch thick steel plates sheered and bent in the disaster."

      http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/614_mo...

      In this picture, molten steel is clearly seen. How can that be in the towers weren’t made of steel?

      The NIST, (National Construction Safety Team), which investigated the collapse of the towers, wrote in their FAQ section:

      “Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit)”

      http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wt...

      Notice the “steel” part.

      As mentioned, fire needs to be much hotter and thermite does the trick.

      Steel melts at about 2750F. Uncontrolled fire with red flames is at 1200F. When thermite is ignited, extreme heat reaction causes molten iron. It can reach 4500 F. That can melt steel. Another product of a thermite reaction is Aluminum Oxide, visible as white smoke. White smoke was seen at the base of the towers.

      http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/224/abcnewswt...

      Various temperatures that steels melts:

      CAST STEEL MELTS 2600 TO 2750 F.

      MILD STEEL MELTS AT 2690 F.

      WROUGHT IRON MELTS 2700 TO 2750 F.

      PURE IRON MELTS AT 2768 F.

      CHROMIUM MELTS AT 2750 -3034 F.

      STAINLESS STEEL MELTS AT 2550 F

      http://www.blksmth.com/heat_colors.htm

      So, sorry, I just cannot take your word for it in the light of the overwhelming evidence proving you wrong.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Willstar:

      "Stealing someone's Hub is very bad manners. Start your own Hub on this topic and I'll show you how wrong you are about all this.

      But not here."

      Excuse me? I have written my own hub! What on earth are you talking about???

      I'll post Part 1 here: Lol

      https://hubpages.com/politics/What-the-Haiti-quake...

      Did you think my comment opening the debate was a copy from someone's hub?? That's my own research. I've been debating 9-11 with many people over three years. I don't need to nick someone else's work. The (30) and (31) part are quotes. Sentences that are in inverted commas are quotes. Quotes can be used in a debate. If you like to know where I got that second point of my argument, you will see that it doesn't come from someone else's hub.

      http://www.rense.com/general74/nist.htm

      While you are over at my hub, you can address my argument I have just laid out to you. I'll hand it to you. I've never known someone to procrastinate in a debate before in my life!

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Hello, Claire Evans,

      I am going to make this as short and sweet as I can.

      I worked on the 82nd floor of Tower 2 of the World Trade Center for more than 10 years as the Benefits Adminstrator for one of the largest construction companies in the world.

      Now, the company I worked for occupied 12 floors in the building, rent free. And the reason why it did not have to pay rent was it had been secretly contracted by the New York-New Jersey Port Authority to reinforce the buttressing of towers 1 and 2. And in 1995, it was estimated that the job would take at least 20 years.

      The reinforcment work was a top-secret operation and the general public was not aware of it at all. And the reason why such work was required was the two structures had been constructed very hastily and very poorly. And the reason why that was the case was back in the 1960's when they were built, the developers were in a hurry to throw up the tallest structures in the world.

      That brings me to my final point. Essentially, the two towers were like houses made out of playing cards and they were not really "steel buildings." In fact, one of the big jokes among the engineers and construction people who worked for my company was that the structures were nothing but "real tall buildings, made mostly out of glass and aluminum."

      Thus, when the airliners -- each of which had a full tank of highly-combustible jet fuel -- crashed into the buildings, the largley non-steel framework quickly melted from the intense heat caused by the spilled jet fuel, causing the towers to collapse like the houses of cards they were.

      That is what happened and I know what I am talking about, because I was one of the top executives of the company that knew all of the dirty secrets about the WTC's shoddy construction.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Stealing someone's Hub is very bad manners. Start your own Hub on this topic and I'll show you how wrong you are about all this.

      But not here.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      Let’s start the debate!

      Fact: only three buildings made of steel have collapsed due to fire, as the official version says, and those where the twin towers and World Trade Centre 7. ALL three were leased by the same man, Larry Silverstein. As everyone knows, the building fell at free fall speed, exactly the way it happens when a building is demolished.

      I’m sure you are quite familiar with science and physics. Basic stuff like that. Would you agree that if a building falls at free fall speed, there is absolutely no resistance at all? Not only does a normal office fire, even one started by an accelerant if you use the plane fuel argument, not melt steel but it certainly does not weaken the floors that had no fire. Would there not have been resistance? What about the steel column? What about the fact that the towers were constructed to withstand a plane colliding into the twin towers? Can you give me an example of buildings prior to 9-11 that have fell because of fire?

      Frank A. Demartini, onsite manager during the construction of the WTC, seconded this view during a January 25, 2001 interview, in which he noted that the study involved "a fully loaded 707." Demartini even declared that "the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, this intense grid, and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting."[30] Demartini kept an office in the North Tower and was last seen on 9/11 assisting evacuees on the 78th floor.[31]

      That is all for now. Good luck!

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Sweetiepie

      "Most serious scholars find it laughable."

      Which ones? And what is there argument against it?

      "Another thing I noticed from reading your hubs is that you actually believe no one in Libya was legitimately protesting Gaddafi"

      What I was referring to is that there were no legitimate protesters who organized and planned this revolution. I'm sure there were grievances. No one, but CMerrit, thinks their government is perfect. Wonder why there were no protests before?

      Quote from my hub:

      "Actually, it all originated with the leader of the opposition group in Libya, the National Front of the Salvation of Libya, Ibrahim Shadad, when he attended a meeting in London with about 300 other members back in 2005 at the National Conference for Libyan Opposition. They discussed how they could oust Gadhafi to set up a democratic nation. The campaign was to be called, “The Day of Rage” set up for the 17th February 2011."

      Ordinary Libyans would not collude with the West to oust Gadhafi, who ironically at the time, was an ally of the West.

      Another excerpt:

      “Many of the rebels belonged to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). The key military positions of the rebels are held by the former commanders of the Libyan Islamic fighting. As recently as June 2001, the group was listed as a bona fide terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council website, which has since disappeared. The group is also listed as a terrorist organization by the United States Justice Department and the British Home Office. The US Code prohibits the supplying of material to support terrorist organization so obviously a crime has been committed. The LIFG chief, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, deems himself the “Commander of the Tripoli Council.” He received military training in a CIA sponsored military camp in Afghanistan. The Daily Telegraph reported that Belhadj, who also goes by the name al-Hasidi, commands the key city of the rebels, Derna. He is an al Qaeda terrorist controller who admitted to the Daily Telegraph that he sent 25 fighters to fight the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.”

      So it looks as if the US was one of the countries behind the revolution.

      “You think the American government is behind orchestrating every single revolt, and that is not the case”

      In the case of Syrian and Libya, they are! I’ll give you an interview with General Wesley Clark.

      General Wesley Clark of the US said that he was told weeks after 9-11 that the US wanted to conquer these countries: Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Lebanon and Iran by the year 2006.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53jbRxHSfj4

      “Bin Laden was definitely behind 9/11, even if he did not hijack the planes himself.”

      You have not been following my comments properly have you? Osama bin Laden was never wanted for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s most wanted list. Why was that so? Because of no evidence, according to the FBI. You’d think they pounce on any proof but they could not.

      Now please actually read and watch my sources because I hate repeating myself. I had the courtesy of watching your video on Bill Mather so please return that courtesy.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Willstar and CMerrit

      "They will if you publish it! I'll send them there myself. It's wrong to do it here. This is Chris' Hub."

      You are procrastinating. You know jolly well that you won't respond to the hub and that I won't reach the intended target audience. I assume that the majority of the followers of Chris think the same way he does. You just don't want the truth being exposed on Chris' page. Give me one good reason why the debate shouldn't happen here. The point of a hub is to get comments from people who have opposing views. It opens with the comment that people dislike America and bash it. Now I am telling you why so discussing 9-11 on this hub is very pertinent.

      We do it here. Else I am interpreting as something you just can't debate. If you actually went through my list of hubs, you will see there are two that read, "What the Haiti quake, oil spill and 9-11 have in common." So I have written about it. So you can begin my refuting the points that have been raised there. I'll post part 3 on my profile information from wordpress because Hubpages didn't approve of it. My hub about Libya has nothing to do with this hub but it has been raised and I'll address Sweetie.

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      CMerritt,

      Hold on a second, you stereotyped me there. I have a degree in history, and I actually study this stuff for fun. You do not seem interested in appreciating a liberal woman's views, and on this hub people are talking about how liberals hate America. Just to share both of my grandpas fought in World War II, and were two of the most liberal men you could ever meet. You seem to call pot shots, I am disappointed.

      Claire Evans,

      Well I happen to be one of the reasonable Americans contributing to this thread, and I happen to think most of what you say about America is really off base. You seem very obsessed with denigrating Americans at every turn, and why are you so sure about the inside job theory. Most serious scholars find it laughable. Ahmadinejad supports it, and he also believes the Holocaust did not happen.

      Another thing I noticed from reading your hubs is that you actually believe no one in Libya was legitimately protesting Gaddafi, and I find that very ridiculous of a statement. You think the American government is behind orchestrating every single revolt, and that is not the case. We should not have went into Libya, and I was not at all comfortable with the way Gaddafi was disposed of. Just because our country propped up dictators during the Cold War does not mean every single one is propped up today. Gaddafi was comical and ridiculous, and I know there were Libyas who were fed up with his behavior. If you think Arabs were a okay with dictators, think again.

      Bin Laden was definitely behind 9/11, even if he did not hijack the planes himself. I highly recommend reading Carmen Bin Laden's memoir, she married one of his brothers, and talks about her experience with the Bin Laden family. There are real Islamic terrorists who target Westerners, and I believe in the US gets out of their affairs, the better. I have grown so weary of non-Americans who feel they know everything about America. So you might think I am not reasonable for knowing conspiracy theories are a bunch of hocus pocus, for sure. So I am through, and know I am the most rational person commenting here. Good bye to all.

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      Cogerson 5 years ago from Virginia

      Excellent rant...and filled with something missing today ....common sense. Thanks for sharing your opinion, which I agree with everything you said...especially how the world is different than when Kennedy made his famous speech...that speech pretty much put the Peace Corps on the map....voted up and awesome....Hope you have an awesome time with your family.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      claire your words are this "I would completely destroy our argument in a debate and you know it"

      Here is your chance, I have opened the doors for you...start your own hub, and see if you are able to destroy some arguements.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      There you have it, Claire! We'll all send folks over there if you publish it, so no more excuses.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Claire, I, too, will go follow you on your page and look forward to the evidence-filled hub you write on the subject. Although I won't be holding my breath.

      Like Mr. Starr said, LETS SEE IT!

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Willstarr, we should have the debate right here so that all the readers can see it. Trust me, none of the other people here are going to flock to my hub"

      They will if you publish it! I'll send them there myself. It's wrong to do it here. This is Chris' Hub.

      (And if you'll notice, Chris said he too is following you, so let's see it! No excuses!)

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Longhunter, "That's obviously an incorrect assumption based on your previous posts as overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

      What evidence to the contrary, please tell?

      CMerrit, I know it must be earth-shattering to realize the government was behind 9-11. I actually do understand that, but we all need to face the truth. Evil gets its power from people turning a blind eye.

      Willstarr, we should have the debate right here so that all the readers can see it. Trust me, none of the other people here are going to flock to my hub.

      The trouble I foresee with this, though, is that you, and others alike, are just going to ignore my proof, as displayed throughout this comments sections, and say, "You're nuts". It's not a mature thing to do but people do it when they have no rebuttal. All of you have the opportunity to convince me Al Qaeda was responsible. Take this opportunity and lets debate in an adult manner.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      and there you have it Claire.

      I too will follow, and look forward to seeing you debate with some of the best.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I would like to invite Claire to write a '9-11 conspiracy' Hub. Just make you have the actual proof you claim you have, because I will want to see both your proof and your reliable source.

      (Hint: opinions are not 'proof'!)

      I will now go to your site and follow you so I won't miss it!

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hello feenix, it goes without you saying of how much you love this country...one trip to your hubs and it is extremely obvious...

      I have allowed way too much discouse on this one...my "goodness" that I was taught by my parents is wearing thin...

      Your compliments are so very much apprecaiated, and it is a pleasure to follow you.

      Merry Christmas

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      feenix 5 years ago

      Hello, CM,

      Thank you very much for writing and publishing this useful, awesome, beautiful and very important hub.

      As you are aware, I am "madly in love with the United States of America." As a matter of fact, my attitude is "America -- Love It or Leave It."

      And so far as all of the Americans who are out there bashing this great country, they have the mentalities of rebellious adolescents. They are merely immature malcontents who are lashing out at grownups and authority figures.

      They are trapped in time warps of where they were when they were about 16 years old.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Okay Claire, enough. I will no longer 'accept'your conspiracty theory comments. I have let this go way too far.......the bottom line is this:

      I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY...If you have forgot as to why, go back and read.

      Chris

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Claire wrote: "It's also an insult to my intelligence....."

      Claire, you're working on the assumption you're intelligent. That's obviously an incorrect assumption based on your previous posts as overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Becky,

      "Claire, I thought it might shut you up if I said I agreed with something you said, but it didn't. I don't think ou have enough sense to shut up."

      You are being dishonest. You know that deep down inside. It's also an insult to my intelligence for you to think I would drop the entire subject because YOU might think I'm right. You are back-tracking.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Sweetiepie,

      I am not having an "brilliant arguments," but I find your comments a bit on the xenophobic side when it comes to Americans."

      I suppose you didn't read this part in one of my earlier comments:

      "Well, I butt into the USA's affairs because I am GENUINELY concerned. I hate it that the rulers of the USA treat their people so badly. To actually create a bill that just deems Americans terrorists without any evidence, or arrests them because of what they "might" do, is treason."

      Does this sound xenophobic or does it sound like someone concerned about the American people? The government, the CIA, the Pentagon, etc, do NOT represent the people. They are separate entities.

      “The real terrorists actually chuckle at the inside job people”

      Al Qaeda must have found it HILARIOUS when 5 of the hijackers rocked up alive. It must have been sooo funny when the FBI claimed to have found one of the passports in the WTC debris.

      “More Americans than you know want this, and you really seem very limited on your knowledge of all actual Americans perceive foreign affairs.”

      Since when did I say all Americans think wars are great and agree with their government? I have many American friends on Facebook who agree with me about 9-11, and other views expressed here, which does comfort me a lot. I know there are some reasonable people reading this thread, but not contributing, who actually may see the truth about what I write.

      How is exporting goods out of the country being charitable?? You do know they sell to make a PROFIT. That’s like me calling my local store charitable just because I got food from them which they SOLD to me. Since when does ANY country sell food to other countries because they care about starving people??

      “Also, Al Qaeda was behind 9/11 and they admitted as much.”

      What are you talking about? Since when? Proof, please.

      Osama bin Laden flatly denied being involved in 9-11:

      “Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

      In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

      "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.”

      http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen...

      Also, did you know that Osama bin Laden was never wanted for 9-11 on the FBI’s most wanted list? When asked why not, the FBI said because there was no evidence he was involved.

      The FBI’s most wanted list:

      http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

      On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13...

      It is immaterial whether the BBC believes in the inside job theory or not. They are just stating as a fact that he FBI lied. There were not 19 hijackers at the very least. What else are they lying about?

      Bill Mather, the beacon of all truth. The one who knows more than architects, scientists, member of Congress and the military. Lol. No.

      I can’t believe you just said Mather dealt with this conspiracy theorists intelligently. Unless, “F**k” and “Jesus”, is considered an intelligent rebuttal. His argument proving that the towers weren’t brought down by bombs was stellar. I am now convinced he is right.

      When I say you should not be proud of your country, I mean no one should be proud of their government. When one says America goes to war, that doesn’t mean all the American people are going to war.

      And what about the debate? Surely you can prove me wrong?

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      sweetiepie, I never ONCE claimed that Jefferson was a conservative Christian...do NOT sterotype me or put words in my mouth. If you want to learn more about my views, go read more of my hubs...I am very clear on my stance regarding our forefathers.

      Chris

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Credence,

      Hey buddy, I always appreciate YOU coming by to share with me....

      I am sure that liberals such as yourself love this country with all your heart...and are patriotic. I know YOU are.

      I think the difference is the direction that the left is taking us, is decreasing our freedoms.

      The way I clearly see it, that it is the left who are creating new laws, rules and regulations by the thousand every year...government wants their hands involved in nearly all of our decision making and our lives...redistributing money..increasing the size of government…..all fundamental differences…but yet drastic when we look at our individual freedoms.

      Hey, I am rambling...and right now, I just want to wish YOU a Merry Christmas, and enjoyed exchanging with you this year and looking forward to more next year,

      Chris

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      CMerritt,

      What I told you about Jefferson is 100% accurate. He was a deist, and he wrote his own version of the Bible. What is there to dispute about that? He was not a conservative Christian, and the Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state, what more is there to say on that. The purpose of that is so religion does not muck around in government, which is a disaster in the Islamic countries like Iran where that is the way it works.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Sweetiepie, I 100% disargee with you on our founding fathers, and I have some hubs to support my belief. I have no time today to get into a discsussion on it...but I thank you for coming by to leave a comment, it is always welcome.

      Chris

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Tammy, now THAT is funny, I don't care WHO you are!!....get all the fruitcake you want...it is all right here in this hub!! .lol

      I sincerely wish YOU a merry Christmas.

      Chris

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Claire wrote: "I should never had underestimated the power of brain-washing and denial. It's mind control and that takes years to undo."

      You're right, Claire. It does take years to undo. The sooner you get started the better.

      Just as a side note: Chris, you're a much better man than I. I would have shut Claire down a long time ago.

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      Claire, I thought it might shut you up if I said I agreed with something you said, but it didn't. I don't think ou have enough sense to shut up.

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Another thing about the economy, our economy was hurt by outsourcing and wars. I have never agreed with any of those policies. I would mostly like our country not involved in the affairs of other countries, period.

      Claire lumps all Americans together, and speaks to us as if we do not know what is going on here. Even if the wars end in other countries, outsourcing of jobs in the US still remains a problem. I consider that the biggest problem actually, but I would like an end to the wars too. The military industrial complex does profit from our remaining at war with other countries. After 9/11 I think we would have been better off focusing on our own security, and not invading a country with the Taliban. Afghanistan is worse off than it was in 2001, so there you go. Most Americans are aware of the problems with our foreign policy.

      However, I still have a right to love my country, even if I do not agree with all its policies. So why do I love my country? Here is why, I am part Kansa Indian and feel a connection to this land. I love the sunsets and the mountains of Southern California. There are many other beautiful parts of the world, but I actually feel a deep connection with my native state. People do not have to be blindly in love with everything America does, but I am not one. I also believe that condemning countries you do not live in solves nothing, and changes nothing.

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      The BBC, which I read extensively, does not promote the inside job theory. However, some odd ball leaders like Ahmadinejad support it. I am not having an "brilliant arguments," but I find your comments a bit on the xenophobic side when it comes to Americans. I am not a flag touting American by the way and quite liberal, but I really have low patience for people not practicing what they preach. I think the lady who said you should focus on the egregious errors of you country was right on the money, we should all focus on our own affairs more.

      The real terrorists actually chuckle at the inside job people. You have the freedom of speech to believe whatever you want, but most people do not prescribe to this way off conspiracy theories. I see you read none of my comments, I do not like my country involved in other countries. There is one US presidential candidate completely opposed to this by the way, Ron Paul. As a liberal I do not agree with stances on cutting social safety nets, but he actually advocates non-intervention. More Americans than you know want this, and you really seem very limited on your knowledge of all actual Americans perceive foreign affairs.

      By the way, you did not read my comments about food exports. Read the statistics and you will see China and the US are both major producers and exporters of food, along with other large countries like India:

      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_exp_com-econ...

      I know the writer of this hub might not like Bill Maher, but you have to check out the way he very intelligently dealt with the truthers, those who follow the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theory like a religion.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p80hXaM4QgU

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Becky and Chris

      "No, actually, I think you are nuts."

      Okay, someone who tells the truth and proves it is nuts. Got it.

      I just have to have a chuckle, Becky. First you say I may be right then you say I'm nuts. Go figure...

      @Will and Sweetiepie, would you like a formal debate about it? Prove that I, and those who worked on the 9-11 Commissioners Report, architects, those in the military and Congress, are crazy! You know so much about 9-11. You should annihilate my argument!

      Don't you think it is really strange that the US produced a list of the hijackers on the same day and guess what? FIVE of the hijackers are alive!

      From the BBC:

      "Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

      The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

      Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September."

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

      This is just one of the countless lies the FBI and the government has told. Why even tell a single lie if they are 100% truthful? The FBI hasn't even updated the list. They still say that the plane was hijacked by 19 people.

      RT interview on the subject by Dr. David Ray Griffin who is a professor and author who wrote The New Pearl Harbor Revisited:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9kEwQud4Ek

      Chris, I would completely destroy our argument in a debate and you know it. That is why you won’t debate me.

      Sweetiepie, I have NEVER claimed South Africa is pure as the driven snow, but this hub is NOT about South Africa. It’s a pure red herring. I know about what is happening in my country but I am not in denial like you people. Tell me how the US provides food to other countries, as if no other country does that, when they trillions in debt? Americans now have to live in their cars and trailers because there are no jobs. I think that if the US butted out of the affairs of other countries, there’d be plenty of jobs instead of the money going to wars.

      So, I am looking forward to the 9-11 debate. Perhaps with your brilliant arguments I can be convinced that Al Qaeda and the 19, I meant 14 hijackers, actually were responsible for 9-11.

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      Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

      Chris, I just thought that I woud weigh in. I have served in this country's armed forces and am proud to be an American citizen. But I am progressive and lean to the left, does that make me any less patriotic, or do I simply want to see America continue to improve, always living up to its creed and make me even more proud. I always am concerned about the 'right' where patriotism can become jingoism and that we don't as informed citizenry not blindly follow a lead because it is "patriotic". There is no one alive that have progressed so far as to not fail to recognize that there is always room for improvement. We are all thinking people let's not get caught up following anyone's drumbeat. Our country, right or wrong, but lets make sure that we are right from an objective standard and not a subjcective one.

      Always better to Question Authority, then to be a dupe!

      Merry Christmas to you and the gang here... Cred2

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Also, here is another link about how many South African farmers are mistreating their workers. Apartheid might have been abolished, but this sounds similar to what was happening in the American South after the Civil War with share cropping: http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/08/23/south-africa-fa...

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      One thing I wanted to address where some of Claire's comments. There are decisions my country makes that I do not agree with, but anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job looks a little misinformed, to say the least. Also, with the history of apartheid and how Nelson Mandela was treated in South Africa, and how many foreign nationals are treated in there in custody battles, I would say there are some major problems with your country's history and politics as well.

      Also, Al Qaeda was behind 9/11 and they admitted as much. I would like to have my country not involved in other countries, but I always shake my head when non-Americans are so quick to criticize the US at every turn. Every country on earth has things about it that are not the best, but you really have no place telling people they cannot be proud of the US. Actually, the US does provide a lot of food to others countries because of our size and the amount we export. China does too, so I am not sure why you were arguing with the writer of this hub on a simple fact like that. I do not agree with him on a lot of things, but you do seem a bit obsessed with bashing people for liking their own country.

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      SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

      The founding fathers had more respect for the separation of state than politicians like Michelle Bachman. Actually church attendance was lower around the time of the American Revolution than it is now. There are many people who are Christian in this country, but the Constitution ensures the separation of church and state. It seems as if the religious people want to go against what our founding fathers wanted. Actually, if you sat down with Thomas Jefferson, some hardcore Christians would not like what he had to say. He actually wrote his own version of the Bible critiquing many passages, and was essentially a deist. Barack Obama is more of a hardline Christian than Jefferson was.

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      Tammy 5 years ago from North Carolina

      Chris,

      You are awesome and you are doing a great service for Americans. I love it and I will keep reading your wise hubs.

      Don't know about you, but it isn't even Christmas yet and I have had my fill of fruit cake. :)

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      Merry Christmas Chris. :D

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Will, you said it all, (correctly) in less than thirty words.

      It is against my nature to "deny" comments or be flat out rude, but Ms Evans is pushing me.

      Why some people just plain and simply cannot "get it" is alaming.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Becky, your analogy would be correct, I do believe that she may be "nuts" as you put it.

      Merry Chritsmas to you Becky

      :)

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      MonetteforJack, thank you for your support and kind words....I wish YOU a Merry Christmas

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Tammy, and I wish you and yours a WONDERFUL AMERICAN Christmas too!

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Claire Evans,

      OK, so you're another long winded, conspiracy loon...got it (and I say loon, because 9-11 conspiracy buffs believe the impossible!)

      On September 11, 2001, 19 radical Islamic terrorists hijacked 4 airliners and flew them into the WTC towers, the Pentagon, and into a Pennsylvania farm, just as we all saw.

      Period.

      This country had nothing to do with it, and all you can come up with are the usual, never-ending conspiracy 'questions' and insinuations.

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      moonstruck4ever 5 years ago from somewhere in upstate New York

      Claire, your head must be very crowded. All those voices in there yammering for attention....ahem.

      Have a very Merry Christmas.

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      No, actually, I think you are nuts.

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      MonetteforJack 5 years ago from Tuckerton, NJ

      CMeritt, thank you for your hub. I LOVE AMERICA & I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. Merry, merry CHRISTmas to you and your followers. God bless us and our country, USA!

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Tammy,

      "Not spiteful Ms. Evans.. just disappointed. I don't understand why someone who dislikes something so much dedicates so much time to it. Perhaps if you dedicated this much effort to your own country's problems you could fix the apartheid."

      It's because I care about the Americans. About Apartheid, what are you talking about? Apartheid was abolished 17 years ago. LMAO!

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @Becky,

      I will butt out when America butts out of the business of other countries. Libya and Syria have NOTHING to do with them. They do not pose a threat to the USA. Is it because they are concerned? No, but for argument's sake, so they are. Well, I butt into the USA's affairs because I am GENUINELY concerned. I hate it that the rulers of the USA treat their people so badly. To actually create a bill that just deems Americans terrorists without any evidence, or arrests them because of what they "might" do, is treason.

      Did you know that if you ever associated yourself with an organization that had no criminal associations at the time you were supporting them, you could be arrested if they committed a crime considered terrorism, you would also be arrested because you ONCE associated yourself with them despite the fact you had long gone left. Not to mention the concentration camps around the country...

      Maybe, I'm getting somewhere...you finally concede I may be right.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @CMerrit

      “As far as your wild thought of evil regarding our “Eye of Providence” on our currency………..it is nothing more than a longstanding symbol of God’s eye in Christianity”

      Wow, who told you that nonsense? The pyramid and the evil eye is an OCCULT symbol. It is ancient and goes back to ancient Egypt. No Christians at the time.

      “…Latin phrase above it “Annuit Coeptis” which means, “He has favoured our undertaking.”

      Who has favoured? God is Lucifer in the occult. Yes, he has favoured the NEW WORLD ORDER! That is what “Novus Ordo Seclorum” means. Since when did Jesus told about a New World Order??

      1776 is the year that the Illuminati was established. Adam Weishaupt established a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati on the 1st May, 1776.

      The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:

      1) Abolition of all ordered governments

      2) Abolition of private property

      3) Abolition of inheritance

      4) Abolition of patriotism

      5) Abolition of the family

      6) Abolition of religion

      7) Creation of a world government

      http://www.truthcontrol.com/articles/history-new-w...

      “We have therefore, in the 24th degree (Masonic Ritual), recited the principal incidents in the legend of Osiris and Isis … Everything good in Nature comes from Osiris… Osiris was the image of generative power. This was expressed by his symbolic statues … Osiris and Isis were the Sun and Moon … and is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges … Osiris was invoked as the God that resides in the Sun” (Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike, pgs. 474-477: Freemason and Illuminati member)

      God, all seeing eye…

      On this page, look at the Freemasonic hierarchy:

      http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id193.htm

      “Regarding 9/11 as an inside job, well, I have read all of the so-called theories….and I don’t buy any of that”

      And many people who are in Congress, the military, the CIA, architects, scientists and those who worked on the 9-11 Commissions Report disagree with you.

      Would you like a debate on whether the 9-11 was an inside job and how the tower fells and World Trade Centre 7? A debate means you need to make a full rebuttal to each comment from your opponent. In a debate, you are not allowed to ignore an argument. Since you know so much about it, would you like to? Try and convince me that the government wasn’t in it! Prove it!

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      @ Becky, you don't care about the evil in the country. Your country murdered about a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. I do not by any means like our government, they are showing signs of tyranny, but they don't go to wars that have NOTHING to do with them and kill innocent people.

      My goodness, you just ASSUME that people in South Africa don't go to the poll in favour of a better government. How dare you. The majority of people favour the ANC and there is NOTHING that the public can do about it. Unless the elections get rigged and someone like George Bush Jnr gets in.

      “We fix the evil in our country by going to the polls and getting the idiots out of office.”

      Wow, you finally have admitted that there is evil in your country, unlike CMerrit who is 100% proud of his country.

      I know far more about how your country is run than you. For example, you actually think for one moment that your votes actually counts when it is the banks that put presidents into power. They don’t run the country. They are mere puppets.

      Here is what the Global Elite say about the real rulers of the world and in Washington:

      “For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”

      Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister from 1868

      “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes”

      Felix Frankfurter. Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. In office. January 20, 1939 – August 28, 1962

      “I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!”

      American civil engineer and Republican politician

      "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government."

      George Washington

      “We also have protests and don't get killed over then”

      But according to the new NDAA bill, think it’s that, you can be arrested without charge and trial:

      “The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Senator Levin. “This is the Supreme Court speaking.”

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      I am not saying you are not right Claire. What I am saying is, CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACK YARD. Let us worry about ours. BUTT OUT!!!

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      I should never had underestimated the power of brain-washing and denial. It's mind control and that takes years to undo.

      I realize Hubpages cuts off my comments when they are too long. You missed the best part of my comment. Regarding the part that did get posted, don't you think it is strange that there was a practice drill on the same day as 9-11? You didn't bother to address that? And Operation Northwood...lol. Did you not understand what was written in it? I checked that it was in English.

      Anyhoo, here's the rest of the comment:

      Watch the full series:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&fea...

      I have also researched to what some highly credible people had to say about 9-11 and by no means are they conspiracy theorists:

      "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

      A former Congressman, Daniel Hamburg, says that the U.S. government created Al-Qaeda and was involved in bombing its own citizens on 9/11, telling a national radio show that elements of the Bush administration assisted the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.

      "I'm in the assisted it to happen camp - I think there was a lot of help from the inside, this whole thing was not engineered from a cave in Afghanistan," he added.

      "The evidence that Al-Qaeda is actually an arm of the U.S. government is voluminous....I know that's true," concluded Hamburg, citing the PNAC group's call for a new Pearl Harbor shortly before the 2001 terror attacks.

      "it's hard for people to believe that their government could be as insidious as this one is but the evidence is there," concluded Hamburg

      http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/0222...

      Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

      "Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

      They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

      Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program.

      Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

      Lt. Col. Paul F. Getty, DDS (ret) – Retired after 30 years of military service including 13 active duty years in Navy and 11 years Army National Guard.

      Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

      "This event changed history. Finally having the American people understand the complicity of our government will also change history, for the better." http://www.ae911truth.org

      http://patriotsquestion911.com/#Davis

      September 23, 2007 – Seven CIA veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and have called for a new investigation. “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke,” said Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies.“There are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions,” he said.

      Poor deluded people! No ways could the US been involved despite the fact that they created Al Qaeda! Preposterous!

      http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_0...

      I could go on and one but I think I’ve made my point. Feel free to ask for more evidence once you have given me a full rebuttal.

      Second comment will be separate.

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      Tammy 5 years ago from North Carolina

      Not spiteful Ms. Evans.. just disappointed. I don't understand why someone who dislikes something so much dedicates so much time to it. Perhaps if you dedicated this much effort to your own country's problems you could fix the apartheid. Perhaps you could take yoga classes or something to help you deal with your misplaced anger and desperation for attention. Try knitting or something. I am sure your outstanding country has the world's best psychotherapists who can give you counseling for your problems and help you understand that you are embarrassing yourself. Poor misdirected child.

      Chris, I wish you and yours a WONDERFUL AMERICAN Christmas! Keep up the good work. God Bless America!!!!!!

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      Claire, I care very much about evil. Your country is evil. Fix it and then worry about the rest of the world. We fix the evil in our country by going to the polls and getting the idiots out of office. We fix evil by telling our representatives that we don't want any more of the garbage coming out of this country. We fix evil by putting crooked politicians in jail. We fix evil by working through the DemocraticRepublic process, try it. Oh, you can't, your country does not allow it. We also have protests and don't get killed over then. Like I said before, fix your country first. We will take care of ours. I have been working on it for years. I still love my country. It is the best place in the world to live free. The word from us is: BUTT OUT!

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Longhunter, no apologies needed....you said it very well.

      Chris

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Claire, I will not delete any post (as long as it does not become offensive to my readers).

      Claire, I have read some of your hubs and some of your posts. I think you are sincere, and have very good intentions. I however, am not a “conspiracy theorist” nor do I buy into all of that. I am also, not a spiteful person. I AM 100% proud of my country, and I will NOT apologize for nothing.

      As far as your wild thought of evil regarding our “Eye of Providence” on our currency………..it is nothing more than a longstanding symbol of God’s eye in Christianity (the triangle represents the three points of Father, Son and Holy Spirit). The forefathers of the United States intended to show that God was overseeing the birth of a new nation, which is reinforced by the Latin phrase above it “Annuit Coeptis” which means, “He has favoured our undertaking.”

      Regarding 9/11 as an inside job, well, I have read all of the so-called theories….and I don’t buy any of that….it is nothing more than what it is. al-Qaeda hi-jacked four planes and flew them into the twin towers, the pentagon and attempted another building in Washington DC, killing over 3,000 people.

      Your opinions and concerns, are always welcome, but I will not put up with disrespect to my followers, myself, OR my country.

      With that said, please use this train of thought with further posting on this hub.

      Chris

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      Longhunter. Reasons why I'm concentrating on the US:

      1.)This is a blog on the US

      2.) The United States create wars by putting terrorists like Saddam into power and then "solves" the problem by ousting him out by going to war.

      I've never defended South Africa. I suffer no delusions.

      Now the 9-11 argument:

      First of all, we need to discuss just how the US plans terrorists attacks on their own civilians to blame on their enemies in the past.

      In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

      Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

      The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

      America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

      Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

      The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

      Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

      The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

      "The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

      Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.

      "That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

      One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

      "There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

      Notice the “hijacking planes” part. Sound familiar?

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1...

      Luckily, President JFK wouldn’t allow this to go through!!

      Regarding 9-11, the points are rather random.

      ISI Director Lieutenant General Mahmood Ahmed, the alleged “money-man” behind the 9-11 hijackers, was already in Washington at the time of the 9-11 attacks, having arrived in Washington on the 4th. On the morning of September 11, General Ahmad attended a breakfast meeting with three lawmakers, Bob Graham, Porter Goss and John Kyl, the latter being part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Maleeha Lodhi, was also present along with several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committee, allegedly to talk about Osama bin Laden. This was a follow-up meeting to that one held in Pakistan in late August. There, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss and Senator Jon Kyl were on a top level mission in Islamabad. Meetings were held with President Pervez Musharraf as well as General Mahmood Ahmad. It must have been known that the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) was a supporter of a number of Islamic terrorist organizations.

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407A.html

      Senator Bob Graham made this comment to the Washington Post in 2002:

      Senator Graham states:

      "On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmood Ahmed — the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan’s intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).

      On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Dick Cheney was running several war gamesin the north eastern portion of the United States. These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th.

      Some of these drill were scheduled for later in the year but Dick Cheney rescheduled them and made sure that they all took place on the same day. This was unprecedented.

      The war games involved live fly exercises, and electronic drills where fake blips were placed on radar screens. Cheney was in charge of a communications system that superseded those of the FAA, NORAD and NEADS. Some of the drills possibly included remote control planes.

      This caused tremendous confusion and that is the partial reason why there was a delay in deploying the fighter jets. Isn’t this too much of a coincidence especially since Bush said no one couldn’t possibly have foreseen such a terrorist attack?

      http://tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html

      http://tvnewslies.org/html/refusing_the_9_11_evide...

      EXERCISE INCLUDED SIMULATED COMMUNICATION OUTAGES

      We also need to consider whether actions incorporated into the training exercises affected lines of communication that would have been critical for enabling a swift response to the terrorist attacks. Some evidence indicates this may have been the case. For example, one of the listed objectives of the September 2001 Global Guardian was to “simulate outages between NC2 [nuclear command and control] nodes requiring alternate routes to maintain connectivity.” Another objective was for participants to “determine operational impacts and work-arounds to simulated C4I [command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence] outages.” The official after-action report on the exercise did not elaborate on what these “simulated C4I outages” involved. [40]

      Certainly, those in NORAD’s CMOC, who had been participating in Vigilant Guardian, appear to have experienced significant communication problems. William Glover recalled that the time of the 9/11 attacks was his “first time, you know, thinking about the fog of war, because we didn’t know what was going on.” [41] Major General Rick Findley, NORAD’s director of operations, commented, “I wouldn’t call it flat-footed, but we were a little bit behind the power curve most of that morning as we were trying to figure out exactly what transpired.” [42] And Lieutenant Colonel Steven Armstrong, NORAD’s chief of plans and forces, has complained that he and his colleagues “were out there in an information void, just looking for anything that we could find.” He said, “All the information we were getting at the time was really off the TV.” [43]

      http://www.infowars.com/on-911-the-u-s-military-wa...

      The below video goes into more detail on the practice drills that just happened to be on the same days as the real terrorist attacks. Wa

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Claire, I'm not going to be as nice as Becky.

      Given your countries long, hideous history with an ugly thing called Apartheid and the horrible stories that came from that, perhaps you would do better to look at the problems in your own backyard rather than sticking your nose in where it's not wanted nor belongs. Or in two simple words perhaps even you can understand – BUTT OUT!!!

      Sorry, CMerritt. I couldn't help myself.

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      Claire Evans 5 years ago from South Africa

      Becky, this is the problem. Nobody seems to care about evil anymore. Don't the victims of 9-11 deserve the truth? Should they have died for a lie? Don't you want to know the truth? When I think of those who have suffered because of war, I want to cry. I am fiercely protective of the innocent. Just put yourself in these people's position for a moment. Imagine if Iraq accused America of having WMDs and it wasn't true and they invaded the country and killed hundreds and thousands of Americans and annihilated the infrastructure. If an Iraqi said they were bursting with pride about what their country had done, would you smile and think it is nice that he is so patriotic? These aren't rhetorical questions. I would really like you to answer them. I'm try to understand people's mindsets but it's really hard for me.

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. It is mean. It is not my hub to say it on. I just got mad at her because with all her countries faults, she feels she has to pick on ours. And I am fiercely protective of my country. I wish everyone was, including our idiot president.

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      Becky Katz 5 years ago from Hereford, AZ

      Claire, no one cares what you think. If we did, we would follow you and read your hubs. We think you are a conspiracy freak. Prove it elsewhere. We don't care. Quit messing with the U.S. until your own country is clean. We will take care of ours.