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The Bible and Politics

Updated on August 27, 2019
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Betty have been sharing her personal Bible Studies since 2005. She also has a strong interest in American politics.

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Politics in the Scriptures

Anyone who's read the Bible knows that there are, and always have been politics contained in scripture.

Some have come to the conclusion that Christianity and Politics shouldn't be mixed. I find that stance to be prosperous.

Politicians are "law makers," and the bible is filled with accounts of people breaking natural laws against others.

The Old Testament is filled with stories of laws being set in place that involve both obedience to God and the laws of the land.

In fact, many of the ten commandments have always been the "law of the land," and are contained in laws that govern nations today. If you look at the second 5 commandments listed, you'll see how these tie into natural laws.

The Ten Commandments:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me

2. Do not make any graven images

3. Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

4. Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy

5. Honor your mother and your father

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6. Thou shalt not commit adultery

7. Thou shalt not steal

8. Thou shalt not kill

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor

10. Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

Throughout history, people have faced consequences for breaking the laws of the land. Even today there are consequences for everything we do in this world. The same goes for everything we do against God.

Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Perhaps this is the reason that Jesus said of the last days:

And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. Matthew 24:12

Both of the accounts are not only speaking of people who walk in the spirit. We as Christian's do have a voice. Both verses are speaking about the entire world, and all humankind.

There are laws that apply to every human being alive. There are sins against God, and then there are sins against our fellow man. Jesus said this as he told his disciples the parable of the Prodigal son.

And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. Luke 15: 21

The scriptures are clear that every single human being will be held accountable for crimes committed against others.

The Lord's prayer draws sins against God and man together by saying:

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Matthew 6: 12

According to Strong's concordance, the word "debts" in that very passage means:

Word: ofeilhma

Pronounce: of-i'-lay-mah

Strongs Number: G3783

Orig: from (the alternate of) 3784; something owed, i.e. (figuratively) a due; morally, a fault:--debt. Use: TDNT-5:565,746 Noun Neuter

Heb Strong: H4859H5382

    1. 1) that which is owed, 1a) that which is justly or legally due, a debt, 2) metaph. offence, sin

Apostle Paul

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Paul covered how we are subject to governing authorities:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Romans 13: 1

Peter also wrote much of the same thing:

1 Peter 2: 13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 1 Peter 2: 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 1 Peter 2: 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Isn't it interesting how Peter wrote that we are to submit ourselves to every ordinance of man, (leaders and lawmakers) "as unto them that are sent by Him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of then that do well."

By doing so, we may "put to silence the ignorance of foolish men."

God's word has a way of confirming itself as scripture interpret scripture, Just as Paul said it does.

Paul was brought before magistrates to testify on charges brought against him.

Not once did Paul say, "I'm not subject to your laws!"

If Paul had said such a thing, he probably would have been put to death right there and then.

The Second Commandment

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Our Actions and Non-Actions

The first commandment states, "You shall have no other God before Me."

The second Commandment states fully:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Exodus 20: 5

Who are those who hated God, as stated in the above verse? I'd say they are just the opposite of those who have God's laws written on their hearts.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14: 21

Of course, we know that God's laws are written on our hearts. However, the only way to have them written on our hearts is to be in the word studying to show ourselves approved. If study were not important, the Apostle Paul would not have stressed how highly he thought of the Berean's. Paul never would have said:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2: 15

Of course, when we as believers become lax regarding the "laws of the land," future generations are effected by it. We aren't on this earth just to walk through it until we die. We are here to make an impact on this earth while being guided by God.

We are trailblazers, not pew sitters!

Since the 1970's prayer was removed from schools.

Where were the Christians standing up against this happening?

In the past decade the ten commandments were removed from court houses.

Where were the Christian's standing up against this happening?

What we as believers do and don't do will affect the lives of every other human being on this earth after us.

Sodom and Gomorrah didn't start off being completely reprobate. It happened through compromise, a little here and a little there...

Well, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump!"

In the Parable of the Seed Sower Jesus didn't say that the field was the church. What He did say is this:

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13: 38

"The field is the world."

I say 100% YES, that politics and lawmakers are a huge part of the lives of every Christian.






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  • Annkf profile imageAUTHOR

    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Elijah, I am reading your responses. If you feel you are correct you don't need my approval now do you?

    I will tell you that I have nothing against you, but unless what you say lines up with God's word I will never agree.

    I've talked with others throughout the years who feel that I should listen to them, but unless what they say can be shown in the scriptures clearly, not obscurely, I won't accept it.

    I've also listened to others who study and who have come to the same conclusions that I have in my own personal studies. Many times I find that what they say sharpens me.

    If you're looking for disciples, I'm already a disciple of Jesus. If you're looking for approval, you certainly don't need it from me.

    What exactly are you hoping to accomplish?

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Elijah, Isaiah is an excellent book. I appreciate that you posted the scriptures, but you still added your own take.

    Isaiah 7: 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Isaiah 7: 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

    Isaiah 7: 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

    Isaiah 7: 17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

    Isaiah 7: 18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

    Isaiah 7: 19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

    Isaiah 7: 20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

    Isaiah 7: 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;

    Isaiah 7: 22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.

    Isaiah 7: 23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns.

    Isaiah 7: 24 With arrows and with bows shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.

    Isaiah 7: 25 And on all hills that shall be digged with the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns: but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and for the treading of lesser cattle.

    The prophecies carry on into the next chapter. You are adding "[Civilized environment produced]" and "[Ecological environment produced]"

    I'm not seeing in it what you say is there. In fact, there is not any passage that puts such focus on "being at harmony with nature," as you keep saying.

    The emphasis biblically is always obedience and great crops and rain in do season. There's even a former and later rain. I'm just not relating to your take on this...

    When I have more time, I'll take time looking into the chapter and what other passages tie into it. For now, if anyone has any Biblical input or insight on this Isaiah ch. 7, feel free to share.

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    7 weeks ago from Washington DC

    Betty, You want scripture requiring the survivors of the end days to live ecologically? Isaiah 7:14-22 is it.

    14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    15 Butter [Civilized environment produced] and honey [Ecological environment produced] shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil [civilization], and choose the good [environment].

    16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil [civilization], and choose the good [the environment], the land [death] that thou abhorrest [dreads or afraid of] shall be forsaken of both her kings [God and devil. Then it talks about the "Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty" before explaining in verse 22 that everyone who survives the end of the world will have to do the same thing]

    17 The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

    18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

    19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

    20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

    21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;

    22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    I want to ask you also Elijah A Alexander Jr,

    Are you so focused on people living out in the elements because you feel you were drawn to do so? Or because you feel that every believer should do the same?

    The parents of Jesus though they moved, they had a home, and Joseph worked as a carpenter.

    In the OT, it was common for people to live out in the elements in tents. That did not make these people poor. In fact, Abraham was very well off.

    Genesis 13: 2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.

    Joseph was one of the most faithful people written of, and he was raised to a very high position in Egypt.

    Genesis 41: 39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

    Genesis 41: 40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

    I must say that I do appreciate your responses. It keeps me going over specific biblical accounts, and I find that to be a blessing.

    I would venture to say that it's not about where your home is. It's where your heart is.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr

    You say a lot, and you post books and chapters that sometimes don't even go into what you say as I showed in my last reply.

    I will tell you this, God's word speaks louder than yours or mine.

    I fully respect it, and expect to see it shown when a person is addressing any subject. Both Jesus and Paul directly quoted scriptures in their lessons.

    The reason is because we use discernment in knowing if what is being said is true or not.

    Many times that includes full chapters and even different events that confirm a belief.

    I do not care about personal opinions in the least when it comes to God's word. I believe you are a nice man with good intentions, but I wholeheartedly respect the use of the actual scriptures that show why you believe what you believe.

    You've read enough of my responses to know this.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr, You already know that I'll cover the entire subject. It's just what I do. Please keep your responses to one point, especially when you push your ecological points, as there is NO precept within the bible that says we are required to live in harmony with the land. Living in obedience to God is what brings harmony.

    I would love for you to write an entire article about biblical Nomads and living in harmony with the land which includes bible verses that show your stance.

    That would be most helpful. Thank you.

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    7 weeks ago from Washington DC

    Betty, The church, meaning called out of the world's way of life (John 3:3-8, Mat. 28:19-20, 19:29, 6:19-34, 7:13-14 & 8:19-22 being the evidences), Christ established (Mat. 16:16) is not the type of churches (note the plural) Paul established, they were to come together in civilization's buildings. Those Christ called out had nowhere to call home, those Paul established could remain at home and attend the meeting places to hear the message without living it. That makes the huge difference in what Christ wanted and Paul established. Christ was the example of what he desired while Paul, although he had studied and was a wanderer, built and sold tents and the evidences show he didn't instruct his students to do the same.

    To "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" one studies the scriptures then follow the commands that were given directly by God's example, the Christ and or everyone else who followers his example.

    If we toss God's sent example aside for our creature-comforts established by the world "we are leaning on our own understandings" and not of what god intended, (as you say although God would have stopped Paul altogether he'd he not wanted the prophecies fulfilled).

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr,

    You leave the longest responses which are very time consuming to reply to. Could you maybe keep each of your points to one or two at a time so each statement doesn't get lost in a wall of words?

    I'll address the first thing you said.

    "Betty, we were in agreement until you said "You speak a lot about living environmentally, which within the scriptures I can only name one who lived off the land. That would be John the baptist." You forgot Enoch in Genesis 5:22-23 and most of the time Elijah (in the Kings) and his band of disciples often lived ecological."

    I think you might use the book and chapter involved with your points, but you completely are off based with what you say that the book and chapter says. It would be most helpful if you would post the exact scriptures you reference.

    Here's what it says:

    Genesis 5: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

    Genesis 5: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

    It says nothing but any "ecological system." The subject of Enoch is a very short one in the bible. We know two things for sure. 1. He walked with God, and 2. He was one of two who didn't die but was taken.

    As with Elijah, he did leave his home, so did Elisha who became a disciple of his. We have the accounts of Elijah entering a city and a woman feeds him bread made of the last of her flour and oil. Then God blessed her and every empty vessel she had was overflowing with oil.

    I did not mention these two because with Enoch, the scriptures do not say he lived off the land. With Elijah, the scriptures do not clearly say he lived off the land. He was called for specific purposes, and it was not a harmonious, peaceful event!

    Elijah was called to stand against the evils being done in Israel, even putting his very life at risk. At one point he hid in a cave on a mountain top in fear for his life.

    He stood against Ahab and Jezebel,'s prophets with demonstration before the people of Israel until they had to admit that there is only one God. Elijah was taken in a chariot, and Elisha was given the mantel. There are examples of Elisha living in a home, go read 2 Kings ch 5.

    John the baptist is the only one in the bible specifically mentioned as living off the land and eating locust.

    Matthew 3: 4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

    It infact, does not specially say he "lived off the land." What the scriptures say is that he went out preaching repentance and that the "Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." I was mistaken as to the scriptures saying specifically that John the Baptist lived off the land.

    I stand corrected on that statement.

    Matthew 3: 1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

    Each one that you mention did indeed go where God sent them, but we only get glimpses of their entire lives. The scriptures cover different events at different time periods, but not every single detail of a prophet's living conditions.

    Neither John the Baptist or Elijah lived at ease. Both had threats to their lives, and John was ultimately killed by King Herod.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Vivian, Thank you so much for sharing about how our nation was founded upon Christian principles.

    I've heard many argue about this subject, but the facts are there, as you have shown.

    God bless you sister!

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    7 weeks ago from Washington DC

    Betty, we were in agreement until you said "You speak a lot about living environmentally, which within the scriptures I can only name one who lived off the land. That would be John the baptist." You forgot Enoch in Genesis 5:22-23 and most of the time Elijah (in the Kings) and his band of disciples often lived ecological.

    God is in full control of man according to Luke 17:21 and Isaiah 45:7 and everything else in existence, even everyone who disobey. In 1978 when I return to the US from Canada Spirit told me to make a "B" line to the south, even provided ride, but because he had told me to map out my Journey through Canada, across the US and Mexico into Belize I didn't obey the changed command and had a very difficult time in reaching Texas to enter Mexico. Once there I asked why was the journey so difficult and was answered "I told you to make a 'b' line to the south." What Spirit wanted me to know was it sees what I don't and will give me a change for my own protection. After that, anytime I intended to do something one way and I was instructed to do something different I always obeyed without doubt. So, yes, god does intend for us to be obedient even when given a changing order but it requires us to disobey an order to know when given a change of orders "god knows best".

    You said "... sin does affect the land" but you are not realizing "sin" means "missing the mark". Whenever someone misses the target something else pays a price, so when we "over shoot" the mark anything associated with it suffers. If we didn't "sin" then the cycles of existence would be eliminated sense they are maintained because missing the mark maintains the motion that sustain the cycles.

    You said "We can't force anyone to believe in God..." and I agree because I remembers God has predestined everything to happen over and over the exact same way, our individual responsibility is do what we are destined or directed without question except in a way to get an understanding, as I did in the above.

    First you said "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts," doesn't "sanctify" mean "to set apart" and we do. We set God's instructions apart from fleshly desires and never listen to god's words speaking to us from our hearts saying "you are being an excessive hoarder" and tell others if they stop hoarding the world will not end because they would listen to God in their hearts rather than advertisements.

    Then asked 'How can people live "harmoniously with the environment," if they are directly causing a lack of harmony through their own hardened hearts?' and I ask isn't destroying the environment to NEEDLESSLY (we are made to live without the things we make) comfort ourselves like we do. Why do you not look back at our being made (Gen. 1:26-29) and work your way to today's people before making your statements. If we remember where we came from we would better understand why we are at the end of the world. To live in harmony requires one to use only what is needed in the time of need and leave when there is no needed means will not collect things for later and sometime never find a use for them.

    You "fail to see how I can cancel out God's word and insert my idea that we should live harmoniously with the land? Look a his Genesis 1:26-29 word where man had no suffering until after man replenished earth over the 1000-year rest day when God made human or woman (hewed or woven from man are the respective definitions) and we chose to follow them rather than Noah (the American, Australian, Asian and European Aboriginals). That is why all of this is happening to us, we have chosen (directed by God to) this destructive way of life in order to maintain the cycles of existence.

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    Vivian Coblentz 

    7 weeks ago

    Just research any quotes from our forefathers and they make it clear that our government rests on religious principle, not the other way around. Here are just a few quotes:

    John Adams: "The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity."

    Benjamin Rush: "The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

    Noah Webster: "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Also, Elijah, I want to mention that when the Apostle Paul went about establishing the original churches. He never said, "Ok, you believe, now go live as Nomads and minister what you yourselves have not come to understand."

    No, he said grow from the milk of the word to the meat of the word.

    2 Timothy 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    If we toss God's word aside, then we are leaning on our own understanding.

    As I said in another response, even Paul spent three years in the wilderness studying the scriptures before he began his ministry.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Hi Elijah A Alexander Jr.

    For the most part, nations and people have not applied the ten commandments other than in a natural/ legal sense. With Israel, this is the reason they went into captivity so many many times. Not because of a few law breakers, but because the entire nation did (with the exception of a very few who remained faithful.) The bible calls the few faithful a "remnant." That's even apparent in the entire 40 years while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness.

    There were 5 major prophets, and and 12 minor prophets. These numbers were taken from an established list in which I see a few missing, but the numbers are not far off. There have always been a few who walked with God in obedience. "Hearers and doers of the word." During the time of Moses and the Hebrew people in the wilderness Moses, Aaron and Miriam who were both also called prophets. At one point Aaron and Miriam took a stand against Moses, and God answered them:

    Numbers 12: 6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

    Numbers 12: 7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

    Numbers 12: 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

    God shows certain people prophetic events, and other's like Moses he speaks "mouth to mouth." During that time, Moses was the only person who spoke directly with God. Others were given dreams and visions. There are very few within the scriptures whom God spoke to more regularly and plainly. Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel. All at different times periods of time. Only a few out of thousands, ten thousands, and even millions of people.

    Even when the wilderness temple was built, God gave different people gifts for the construction of the temple and all the intricate details, from builders to artists to those responsible for the duties of the temple.

    Though Moses was called, "faithful," more than any other person alive at that time, he still made the mistake of not giving God glory at the water coming from the rock. He said,

    Numbers 20: 10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

    Now you're saying that "it's impossible for a nation to be faithful to God because this nation doesn't apply these laws."

    That's not actually true, the natural laws were established to help govern Israel, and justice has always been required by God. Every nation has a judicial system, and here in the USA, one still cannot steal or kill without facing consequences. To slander an other person is also wrong doing that is open for law suits.

    As I stated before, even throughout biblical history there have only been very few walked in complete obedience, and even they faltered at times. God know we are human and not perfect.

    You speak a lot about living environmentally, which within the scriptures I can only name one who lived off the land. That would be John the baptist.

    God is in full control of the environment. I know some will say differently, but I fully believe that He is. I would have to do an entire study on that subject, because it's a large subject with examples from many different books and chapters.

    I will say that sin does affect the land, and share one passage on it.

    2 Chronicles 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Obedience affected the land from droughts to plenty of rain, and healthy crops to blight.

    As for converting others, I believe the best way would be by example. We can't force anyone to believe in God and accept Jesus. We can answer questions anyone might have, and Peter wrote this about it.

    1 Peter 3: 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    How can people live "harmoniously with the environment," if they are directly causing a lack of harmony through their own hardened hearts?

    In Leviticus 18, God gave the people a list of things that are an abomination to Him and to the world. He said if the people did those things:

    Leviticus 18: 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: Leviticus 18: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

    This is true and evident with the account of Adam and Eve. When they sinned God told Adam this:

    Genesis 3: 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

    Genesis 3: 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    This is a repeated theme throughout the scriptures. There was never any mention of "thorns and thistle," in the scriptures before this point.

    I fail to see how you can cancel out God's word and insert you idea that we should live harmoniously with the land.

    If you are going to say that you are a Christian, I wish you'd stick with what God's word actually says. If you're claiming to be a "naturalist," then I can see your point of view, though I don't agree.

    You are very focused on "harmonious living on the land," which I know you've said that you are a "nomad." Scripturally speaking, I see no command to or instruction that everyone should live in that manner.

    John the Baptist did, but his message was always one of repentance. Of course John said of himself:

    John 1: 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. (John quoted The words of Isaiah.)

    When the way is made straight, then there is harmony, not only with the land as in crops and rain in do season, as well as plenty of food produced by crops. But there was peace from war.

    I knew a guy, years ago who talked a lot like you do. He was a newager and not a Christian.

    The definition of hypocrisy is this:

    "The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

    I fail to see how giving up a car and accepting a ride places you in a position of hypocrisy.

    The Apostle Paul ministered, but he also worked as a tent maker. The 12 disciples were fishermen, and when Jesus rose from the dead he appeared to them as they were fishing.

    John 21: 3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

    John 21: 4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

    John 21: 5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

    John 21: 6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

    I really hope you're reading my response. Each time you respond to one of my articles, you take it into a direction of your own life, and you add many points that I can and do answer with scriptures. Just mentioning a biblical concept doesn't prove a point. The bible covers each subject in detail from any different passages that come together to confirm the others.

    I'm glad that officer gave you a ride.

  • The0NatureBoy profile image

    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    7 weeks ago from Washington DC

    If We The People of these un-United States of America understood the Constitution (not even our Governors appear to know what's in it) all of those scriptures could be sustained. ( See only the interpretation of the Preamble here https://hubpages.com/politics/The-U-S-Constitution... ) What the Preamble intended as interpreted there has addressed everything you said.

    With that being the case, how is it possible for anyone to be obedient to God since all of the laws practiced by this nation violates the only laws I've read that give people the right to be free. The problem here is when anyone say free they usually follow it with "of bla, bla, bla" while the preamble first requires uniting of We The People. Then it demands justice (proper compensation for actions), tranquility (not to be belittled because of one's appearance, lifestyle that cause no harm to others although it may not conform to traditions) to name first 3. In so many words that is what the 10 commandments are saying.

    Now let's interpret the last 6 of the 10 commandments that are telling uw how to relate to each other.

    5. Honor your mother and your father

    Until one becomes an adolescent, age 12, we are to either give reason why they should or should obey them which them require them to honor your understanding.

    At adolescence one leaves parents for independent living to study how to live environmentally before becoming boys and girls and reproduce.

    6. Thou shalt not commit adultery

    Unknown to social livers, adultery is to have sexual intercourse at a time other than when a girl is ovulating and without consent.

    7. Thou shalt not steal

    How many people know that to pick food from where it grows it isn't stealing although it might be on a piece of land someone claims, isn't "the earth and the fullness thereof the Lord's"?

    8. Thou shalt not kill

    Since man's diet is supposed to be berried, fruit, grains, nuts and vegetation, unless one pulls up a plant and not eat it or its roots they have not killed.

    9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor

    The entire government lies and give misinformation concerning most things, it is almost impossible to know what is and isn't true.

    10. Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

    If we lived environmentally what would others have to covert? To covert is to desire something someone has to the an extent they will fight for it.

    Does that give you the cause behind the need of those commandments is people have forgotten we were made to live harmoniously with the environment. So if we return to environmental living how many laws would we have to follow?

    I was walking the interstate in Pennsylvania and a highway patrolman pulled up and asked did I know it was against the law, "yes." Where was I going, "Arizona." Why aren't you hitching, "I gave up my right to own a car so wouldn't I be a hypocrite to ask someone to five me the use their car." Get in, I'm going to take you to the next town.

    That is how the Preamble READS I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED.

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    Betty A F 

    7 weeks ago from Florida

    Hey Tsadjatko,

    I personally believe that the Bible is forever. Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."

    There are all kinds of examples in the scriptures of what we're seeing today. From the flood of Noah to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Of course it's for today. Matthew ch. 24 & 25, have a lot to say about what we're actually seeing today.

    I totally agree that there seems to be a theme today where people want to do whatever they want and face no consequences. I saw that a few years ago with some of the huge marches...that I won't go too far into now as it's sure to anger some...

    Thank you for reading, and for commenting. You made some really great points.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    7 weeks ago from now on

    I would like to totally agree with your article Betty.

    However that’s based on the definition of politics being “the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.”

    Sadly I think to the common man the “activities associated with the governance” has come to be perceived as saying and doing anything you can (get away with) to get power or whatever you want (or achieve your goal). With respect to this obviously being the way politics is actually conducted today by both sides of the aisle I wonder if the Bible has a place in modern day politics. Would God want to dignify today’s politics with the presence of His Word?

    Thanks for another provocative article.

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