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The Determined believer in hell part 2

Updated on May 27, 2013
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In a Universalist's perspevtive

When I learned of universal salvation for all, it became my new found belief. Today, I can tell you I no longer believe in Universal salvation for all, as a belief leaves room for doubt. I can tell you without hesitation that I now know that Universal salvation for all is the celestial plan of God. Still I learn more and more about those who are determined to believe in hell. I won't get into discussion about those who are afraid not to believe in hell in fear of going there if they don’t believe in it, but I will write about those who want hell to exist. They slip in as righteous teachers acting Godly and spew their spiritual terrorism to the readers. Then you will find Christians complimenting them with words as "Beautiful or great Hub", "Good work", "Thank you for preaching the truth" and more pat on the back compliments. The false teachers and those who compliment their teachings are all of the same stock. They hate sinners and unbelievers. They demand justice and call hell a holy justice failing to see the evil they desire to impose on their enemies. They deceive many by saying that they preach about hellfire to save as many as possible from it, but as this spiritual terrorism takes effect on many listeners, the only motivation for them to worship God is to avoid going to hell. These wolves rob these poor people of knowing the truth about the real love of God. These wolves would have you believe that God is an angry God allergic to sin, but what they fail to see is that God in the flesh walked, ate and spoke with sinners. God says in Romans 6:23 that the wage of sin is death, but these wolves would deceive you by saying that the wages of sin is burning in hell fire for eternity. God says in Jeremiah 32:27 "I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me? These wolves would deceive you by saying there is one thing that is too hard for God: the salvation of ALL mankind. Yes, they would tell you that it is me that deceives you, but my question for you is, would your love, worship and Christ like way of life for our Father change if I was right? It is not my job to convert your beliefs. That is the Holy spirits doing. But it is our responsibility to expose false teachers, their agendas and their false doctrines that enslave the fearful of going to hell (1John 4:18). As they focus more on punishment than they do love.


Another thing to take in consideration. Augustine of Hippo created the false belief of hell through his carnal minded interpretation of scripture and his pagan beliefs of the underworld sometime after AD400. This belief should of died with him. Sadly the Roman Catholic church adopted this belief into its belief systems as a tool of fear to gain both control and wealth around AD500. One of the few things that today's church and the pagan religions of old have in common is that they all believe or believed in their underworlds of the dead that the living feared so much. Before the apostle Paul, the Greeks feared Hades so much, the avoided any talk about it. It is probably why the Greeks were so eager to listen to the good news that Paul brought them. Coincidently after the Roman Catholic church adopted the belief of hell as a doctrine, the known western world plunged into the dark ages and almost a hundred years later, the religion Islam was born, which btw has its own belief of hell. I wonder where their prophet mohammed got the idea?

Anyways, a universalist such as myself can show all the verses that support the belief of Universal reconciliation of all with God from scripture to those who are determined to believe in hell, and possible teach them some Christian history as well as history about the Jewish wars. Yet they will still refuse to believe that all mankind will be if not already reconciled with God. However, it is not our job to change their minds and beliefs, it is the Holy Spirits word. Peace on earth and may God bless this hub.

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      TREENA GISBORN 4 years ago from LEICESTER ENGLAND

      Matthew 25/46: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Jesus Christ did not leave room for doubts about this - who are mere mortals to argue with God's Word?

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      The proper translation to Matt 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening of the age, yet the just into life of the age."

      Chastening is corrective, not vindictive. He was referring to the Jews, at the end of that age as the diciples asked in Matt 24:3. BTW, God's word is Christ, not the bible.

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      TREENA GISBORN 4 years ago from LEICESTER ENGLAND

      ἀπέρχομαι = to go away

      κόλασις, εως, ἡ = chastening/punishment

      αἰώνιος, ία, ιον = eternal/unending (adjective - accusative singular feminine.

      I don't know which translation you are using.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      αἰώnoc in your bible is translated "world" in Matt 24:3 when in fact they ask Him about the "age". I already know what translations you use. The inaccurate ones.

      αἰώνιος means eonian, not everlasting, but I am sure you want their chastening to be everlasting.

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      TREENA GISBORN 4 years ago from LEICESTER ENGLAND

      It is nothing to do with what I think or what I want - it is what the Word of God says that matters. Eternal damnation is not a pleasant doctrine, but I am not willing to say pleasant things which are not true when people are in eternal danger. I suggest you check out the Greek original language rather than a translation to find the definitions of these words. This is my last comment -I don't think further discussion will be helpful. Any reader can check it out for themselves.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      What I find funny on your profile is that you claim to have university studies in biblical Greek, but can't come up with one lodgical responce to my claim to the Greek word eonion. BTW, the Word of God is Christ (John 1), not scripture. Your problem is that you interpret scripture from books translated and written by men who have never lived as Christians during the time of the apostles and think you know truth.

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      Lybrah 4 years ago

      Hell is real, and you are deceived if you think we're all going to be saved.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Its reality lies secretly in your hearts desires sister. Nothing more. Prove me wrong.

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      Porshadoxus 4 years ago from the straight and narrow way

      To those who believe, no proof is necessary.

      To those who disbelieve, no proof is enough.

      The trump card here is what the Bible tells us. And yes, Jesus is the Word, and the Bible is His message to us. The Bible teaches me that Hell is real, therefore I believe.

      And how can you know what the Word (Jesus) says without reading His Word, the Bible? And why is hell mentioned so often by Jesus (around 15 times) if it isn't both real and important?

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Brother, Christ never uttered the word hell once in any language, nor did He talk about such a place. Your English bible may say that, but the original Greek says otherwise. Tell me this. God commands us to love, bless and forgive our enemies, so why do you set God the example as to how He will treat His?

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      Porshadoxus 4 years ago from the straight and narrow way

      I have set no example for God. He has set the example for us, and has made clear that not following that example will result in eternal punishment.

      Our instruction from Jesus is to love and forgive, as an example of Jesus' love and forgiveness. But God cannot allow unrighteousness into His presence. Those people who choose to reject Jesus sacrifice will NOT enter heaven. If they have not received the propitiation of Christ on the cross, they will have to pay their own price for their sins.

      Jesus spoke numerous times about Gehenna, using the reference to speak of the destination of the unrighteous.

      Question: If there is no hell to save people from, why did Jesus need to die on the cross at all?

      Please study your New Testament in light of the patterns in the Old Testament. You are dangerously missing the truth.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      There is no such thing as eternal punishment nor does such punishment glorify God's purpose, pleasure, love or mercy. God while in the flesh, walked, ate and spoke to sinners so your sin in His presence theology does not work. Christ died to make us all right with God 2Cor5. To save us from our long sleep in the state of the grave. For the wage of sin is death, not eternal horror and torture. Your doctrine of hell nullifies this part of scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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      newenglandsun 4 years ago

      Sword, you're the only one making sense on this page. How exactly is your belief in God's love missing the truth? You should go to biblestudytools.com and search the word "hell" in the YLT. No results will be found.

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