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The Sum of All My Learning on Homosexuality

Updated on May 11, 2015

The Sum of All My Learning on Homosexuality

The Sum of All My Learning on Homosexuality

Tonight I was thinking about spiritual oppression, the gospel, and homosexuality. The devil wants to call us fags when we give in to the desire to engage in homosexual acts whether it is watching and masturbating to porn or actually having sex with another man. You know the devil means liar, so let’s take a look at this his lies for what they really are.

First of all, God is always in charge and the things that we go through work together for our good. How, one might ask, do homosexual acts work to our good?

One thing we know about God is that God is love. We know that God is agape – sacrificial love, but He also loves us as a father, brother, friend, husband, lover, king, priest, and many such roles and types of love. The Song of Solomon shows God as our lover – as Eros love. If we are to be like God we must also learn to have proper expression of every form of love.

Eros is passion, desire, warmth, beauty, attraction, enjoyment. It’s the WOW! Factor in everything we do from recreation, play, enjoying our work, music, art, architecture, fashion, worship. It is pleasure.

Homosexuality can have its’ genesis in the blocking of this kind of love at an early age from the same sex. It’s easy to see from the above description that there are many ways to be erotic towards the same sex that are within the boundaries of every day experience and many different types of relationships. The young homosexual has been fooled into thinking that his erotic nature can only be fulfilled through sexual intercourse. He has no clue that there is a whole world of sensations that God has given us to experience with the same sex that doesn’t involve our sex organs as well as those that do. He has been fooled into thinking that sex is the only way to express Eros. Every gay relationship I know of or have heard of is this way. This is the devil’s lie. Let’s take a look at God’s design for us and how the devil tries to take it away from us by labeling it faggotry. This is his way of trying to get us off the trail of something good.

I have fallen victim to the devil’s enticement to play out this very same thing I’m writing about tonight. I have watched gay porn and enjoyed it. Of course one may be thinking, well you can’t really be all that delivered if you’re doing that. I say I’m doing that because I have been delivered. As a man I am designed for relationship. In my relationship with other men I have a need for affection, warmth, mental and emotional intimacy, sharing my life, desires, ambitions, gifts, attention, us time, being highly esteemed in their eyes, being valuable to them. I need their help to achieve my goals, to get the things that I need and or desire, to be safe from harm, to have friends, uncles, brothers, fathers, teachers, shepherds, coaches, sons, cousins, nephews. I need someone who can be my role model, my hero, my inspiration, my hand up, my shoulder to lean on, my ear for listening, my teddy bear to hug, my confidant, and so many things that the list is endless.

The really good porn plays into this by giving us bits and pieces of these qualities and pairing them with sex. Even the advertisements for porn use these same relationships. Sometimes the only time a young man will receive any hope of receiving these qualities is through what is being promoted through gay sex. For the first time he is allowing himself to feel what he should have always felt – to feel what God gave him relationship for in the first place. Every normal man feels these desires, but whereas heterosexual men have received them all along, homosexual men have been denied them and made to feel that they are abnormal for feeling this way. Let’s take another look at David and Jonathan.

1 Samuel 18

And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

3. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

4. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

Here you see two men who share much in common deciding the pecking order of the relationship. Jonathan was next in line to be king, but here he abdicated that privilege to David preferring to live in peace with his friend than to fight over the crown. He put his relationship with David before selfish desire.

1 Samuel 20

Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

Even back then people did not understand male relationships and to have a really good one you were suspect. Saul accused Jonathan of being gay because of how he loved David, but if you read the story of Saul you will see that he was not known for being loving and therefore he really didn’t understand such things.

And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

Ah, the famous kissing scene. Here we see David being very demonstrative of both his emotional state over what he was going through and his love for Jonathan. This passage goes to show that not all kisses are sexual, even if they are always erotic. There is such a thing as a holy kiss, for Jonathan and David it is clear that this was not a sexual kiss, but a holy one because they were trying to comfort each other, not sleep with each other.

2 Samuel 1

I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

This is the point I have labored to reach in this writing. This shows a normal man after God’s heart loving his boy more than he loves women. Some will say that when you don’t put woman first in your desires that you are then gay, now who made that up? It’s nowhere in the bible. It is a conceit of men and women. Truth be told, many men prefer the company of their boys over women and they are not gay, nor is this a test of heterosexuality, or proof that something funny is going on. It can be totally normal for men and women to love their same sex friends more than they love their opposite sex friends.

Ok, maybe the above statement didn’t sink in deep enough, but this is biblical evidence that a man who seeks and desires to be with men more than he does with women doesn’t make him gay. To desire a man’s attention and to be attracted to men more than to women does not make you gay.

I said that I watch porn because I am delivered. Let me explain. Back when I was righteous I never watched porn nor had I ever been with a man. I rejected all advances and pushed away everything sexual, but in all that pushing away I never let in all the good eros. I was like a bland saltless cracker with no flavor. My life was pitiful and I didn’t even know it. I was a walking grave – dead to all sensation, feeling, and life. I neither had nor desired relationship with men. I was broken. It wasn’t until I rebelled against this deadness with a voyage into homosexuality that I began to awaken the natural and normal man that had been suppressed, repressed, and oppressed within me. No wonder so many gay men choose homosexuality. It appears to be their deliverance, and now I’m going to say this…some of what they are going through actually is their deliverance. You are delivered when you have the God love eros where there once was none. Life without eros is hateful and ugly. Homosexuality is called gay not for the sex, but for all of these good qualities that are mixed in with it. Gay pride is a celebration not of sex, but of relationship found where there once was a grave with their heart buried in it. How good and how pleasant for brethren to dwell together in unity so David did tell…are the words to a most beautiful song. The bible says that those who live by a standard of taste not, touch not are treating the body harshly with a form of false holiness. God is eros, and He wants us to be also, even in our relationships with other men. We have freedom in Christ more than anyone. In Christ we are free to experience the wide range of erotic loving expression with the entire creation.

I wrote this because the gospel is about us being free from sin. For us sin no longer has spiritual condemnation. We are free to learn from it without the guilt and shame, and having said that, this is reason to laugh in joy and dance, because life is for the tasting.


Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality: A New Clinical Approach
Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality: A New Clinical Approach

This book is not a therapy book. It simply describes a number of causes of homosexuality. I don't believe this condition has a treatment other than acceptance.

 

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    • Hanavee profile image

      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Johnny,

      Just goes to show what brainwashing is conducted at those "Kingdom Halls."

      Brian

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      Something I missed from one of Joseph's posts previously, he wrote: "I'm also "bigoted" against murderers, rapists, thieves, democide and fraudsters ..."

      How anyone could group those crimes, each of which has inevitably a victim, with a homosexual love affair (which has no victim), is beyond belief or understanding.

      Just shows an ignorant, sick mind I suppose.

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      It seems to me that this Joseph is having a great deal of conflict within himself. He seems to be hanging on to what he has had shoved down his throat. It's exceedingly difficult for him to spit it out, for fear of retribution from his peers and controllers. It's possible that he is homosexual at heart. But regardless whether he is hetero- or homo-sexual, what a dreadful pit to find yourself in..... unable to get out of it, unable to defend yourself against those who have taken control of your mind and your life.

      Religion is used by people with ulterior motive to control others who appear less able to defend themselves. Religion uses weakness and fear to control. It has basically political objectives, nothing to do with a person's "spirit."

      On the other hand, if a person has "Faith," that really is to do with their spiritual health, i.e., the lifting of life into greater awareness and understanding. This I can respect without having to get involved on a personal level. Because I have my own spiritual life.

      So, finally to Joseph, before he gets booted...... if indeed you do have all those doubts and fears holding you back from a life of freedom, I suggest you write your own hub here in HubPages. Give us a clear account of how you are working hard to get out of that JW Rut of Hell. You might be able to help others in ways you have not even imagined.

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Shawn,

      Yes, you can delete his posts.

      Brian

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Joseph's tactic is to ignore arguments that he can't handle and instead pick out the little stuff. The majority of the issues addressed against him go unanswered. All he does is stir contention. Is there any way to block someone from your blogs?

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      You haven't forced anyone to do "God's" will. You have "tried" to force people to do "YOUR" will. There is a BIG difference. Your will is perverted.

      Brian

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      Hutu and Tutsi living side by side in harmony? Why should they not condemn each other? Why should they not kill each other? Don't they each blame God for their mandate to kill the other? Don't they blame it on misinterpretation of "God's will"?

      The same can be said for those who constantly persecute homosexuals in the name of their "god"!

      There can never be peace as long as zealots militarize their religious beliefs and force them on others! People like you, Joseph, who make it a life calling to persecute homosexuals, you are the reason for the pain and suffering in the lives of homosexuals. Don't blame your perversion on God! You are the pervert.

      And as for how orderly your kind fill stadiums, the same was said of Hitler's Nazis.

      Brian

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      The Encyclopedia of Early Christianity states: “The early church saw itself as one new humanity in which previously hostile groups, Jews and Gentiles, could live together in one body of peace.” Jehovah’s Witnesses also are a peace-loving international brotherhood—truly a new world society. (Ephesians 2:11-18; 1 Peter 5:9; 2 Peter 3:13) When the chief security officer of the Pretoria Show Grounds in South Africa saw how Witnesses of all races met there peaceably as convention delegates, he said: “Everyone was and is courteous, people speaking nicely to one another, the attitude displayed the past few days—it all testifies to the calibre of the members of your society, and that all live together like one happy family.” - “They Keep On Walking in the Truth”

      “Thirty thousand at the Olympic Stadium in silence . . . No litter, no noise, no shouting. That was the scene in the Olympic Stadium yesterday . . . No unseemly gesturing, not a cigarette, not a [beverage] can. Only open Bibles, people taking notes, and children sitting quietly.”—L’Unità, reporting on a convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Rome.

      “During the genocide of Tutsi and Hutu living in Rwanda, there were Hutu who risked their lives to protect Tutsi and Tutsi who protected Hutu. Some were killed by extremists for protecting their fellow believers. For example, a Hutu Witness named Gahizi was killed after hiding a Tutsi sister named Chantal. Chantal’s Tutsi husband, Jean, was hidden in another location by a Hutu sister named Charlotte. For 40 days Jean and another Tutsi brother remained hidden in a large chimney, only coming out for brief periods during the night. All this time, Charlotte provided them with food and protection, although living close to a Hutu army camp. On this page, you can see a picture of a reunited Jean and Chantal, who are thankful that their Hutu fellow worshipers ‘risked their necks’ for them, just as Prisca and Aquila did for the apostle Paul.—Romans 16:3, 4.

      Another Hutu Witness, Rwakabubu, was praised by the newspaper Intaremara for protecting Tutsi fellow believers. It stated: “There is also Rwakabubu, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who continued to hide people here and there among his brothers (that’s how fellow believers call one another). He used to spend the whole day long carrying food and drinking water for them though he is an asthmatic. But God made him extraordinarily strong.”

      Consider, too, an interested Hutu couple named Nicodeme and Athanasie. Before the outbreak of genocide, this married couple had been studying the Bible with a Tutsi Witness named Alphonse. At the risk of their lives, they hid Alphonse in their home. Later they realized that the house was not a safe place because their Hutu neighbors knew about their Tutsi friend. Therefore, Nicodeme and Athanasie hid Alphonse in a hole in their yard. This was a good move because the neighbors began to come searching for Alphonse almost every day. While lying in this hole for 28 days, Alphonse meditated on Bible accounts such as the one about Rahab, who hid two Israelites on the roof of her house in Jericho. (Joshua 6:17) Today Alphonse continues his service in Rwanda as a preacher of the good news, thankful that his Hutu Bible students risked their lives for him. And what about Nicodeme and Athanasie? They are now baptized Witnesses of Jehovah and conduct over 20 Bible studies with interested persons. - “Sharing the Comfort That Jehovah Provides”

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Google the article: "Is The Jehovah's Witness Religion Christian" by Matt Slick. Here's his expert statement:

      "Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

      Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

      Taking verses out of their immediate context.

      Refusing to read verses in the entire Biblical context.

      Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.

      Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.

      Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.

      Changing the meanings of words.

      Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.

      Adding to the Word of God.

      Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

      The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real Biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness' chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ but also challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness' rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization.

      The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

      The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

      Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

      "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."1

      The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expands its grip into the lives of its members and their families.

      It is a non-Christian cult."

      Sound like anybody we know?

      Brian

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      “They refuse any form of violence and without rebelling put up with the many trials inflicted on them because of their beliefs . . . How different the world would be if we all woke up one morning firmly decided not to take up arms again, whatever the cost or the reason, just like Jehovah’s Witnesses!” - “Andare Alle Genti”

      “[Jehovah’s Witnesses are] well known as very nice, kind, and meek people who are very easy to deal with, never put any pressure on other people and always seek peace in their relationship with others . . . There are no bribe-takers, drunkards or drug addicts among them, and the reason is very simple: They just try to be guided by their Bible-based convictions in everything they do or say. If all the people in the world at least tried to live according to the Bible the way Jehovah’s Witnesses do, our cruel world would be absolutely different.” - The Moscow Times

      “I am not a Witness. But I am a witness to the fact that the Witnesses witness to efficiency and proper behaviour. . . . If they were the only people in the world, we would not at night have to bolt our doors shut and put on the burglar alarm.” - Journal de Montréal in Canada

      “If all the religious denominations were like Jehovah’s witnesses, we would have no murders, burglaries, delinquencies, prisoners and atomic bombs. Doors would not be locked day in and day out.” - Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, Former Governor-General of Nigeria

      “I have come to the conclusion that if Jehovah’s Witnesses were the only ones living on the earth, wars would cease to exist, and the only duties of the policemen would be to control traffic and to issue passports.” - “Gyűrű”

      “Suffice it to say that if all the world lived by the creed of the Jehovah Witnesses there would be an end of bloodshed and hatred, and love would reign as king!”- “The Sacramento Union”

      “The work of Jehovah’s Witnesses is the revival and re-establishment of the primitive Christianity practised by Jesus and his disciples . . . All are brothers.” - “The Encyclopedia Canadiana”

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      The sect now known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses was started by Charles Taze Russell, who was born in 1852 and worked in Pittsburgh as a haberdasher. He was raised a Congregationalist, but at the age of seventeen he tried to convert an atheist to Christianity and ended up being converted instead—not to outright atheism, but to agnosticism. Some years later he went to an Adventist meeting, was told that Jesus would be back at any time, and got interested in the Bible.

      The leading light of Adventism had been William Miller, a flamboyant preacher who predicted that the world would end in 1843. When it didn’t, he "discovered" an arithmetical error in his eschatological calculations and said it would end in 1844. When his prediction again failed, many people became frustrated and withdrew from the Adventist movement, but a remnant, led by Ellen G. White, went on to form the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

      It was this diminished Adventism which influenced Russell, who took the title "Pastor" even though he never got through high school. In 1879, he began the Watch Tower—what would later be known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the teaching organ of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In 1908 he moved its headquarters to Brooklyn, where it has remained ever since.

      Before he got his religious career well underway, Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).

      A short history of the Jehovah's Witnesses...and the baloney just keeps on coming.

      Brian

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      Joseph, when you arrive in your "Heaven" in the presence of your "Jehovah," don't be surprised if you are the only person there.

      You will be able to bathe in the absolute bliss of have none of the following types of people who might otherwise disturb your eternal bliss:

      Fornicators - female and male; homosexual - male and female; transexual - male and female; thieves; liars; mentally ill; physically disabled; adulterers; atheists; anyone of any other religion apart from JWs;

      Oh, what a boring, bland, lonely world. All because you rejected the rich tapestry which you God had made for your enjoyment.

      Wishing you a long and happy eternity.

      Oh! and one other thing....don't expect to find Jesus there. He's back down on earth, amongst the fallen.

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      @Joseph: "My sincerest apologies. For whatever reason I thought living eternally appealed to everyone, my mistake."

      You most certainly are mistaken, Sir. I cannot think of a more senseless idea.... for a mere mortal of a speck of dust such as me or a horse or a bacterium, to "live," i.e., exist for ever, is so, so pointless and impossible, let alone improbable, that it's a waste of time playing with the idea.

      Here and now, in this lifetime, you and I have the awesome opportunity to LIVE it, enjoying the diversity, the beauty, the wonders of our world. Why would you push such nonsense if it were not for the purpose of wielding power over the minds of others?

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      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Jesus never is recorded in the bible speaking against homosexuality and Romans is Paul. On the contrary Jesus did speak about sexual differentiation when he spoke about eunuchs. All he promoted was understanding and not condemnation.

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Hanavee

      No, you're Anichrist since you oppose Christ's teachings against the kind of sexual immorality you practice and advocate. (Cf. Mark 7:21,23; Romans 1:24-27 & 32 )

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      When you say that there cannot be a "gay Christian," you commit the unforgivable sin of blasphemy, since the sin that the Bible states is the only one that God will not forgive, blasphemy, is to attribute to Satan that which belongs to God, you have set yourself up as judge of God's children. I am GAY, and I am Christian. I know that my salvation is true. For YOU to sit on the throne of judgment and replace God is blasphemy, since you do NOT know my salvation, you do NOT know my heart, and you obviously do NOT know my Savior. I know many Christians who just happen to be gay, and in spite of your judgment that we gay Christians are not of God, what is NOT of God is your blasphemy.

      Brian

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Jesus who?

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      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      http://www.ascendedmasteranswers.com/practical-lif...

      The above link is to an interesting article on homosexuality said to come from Jesus himself

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Allow me to rephrase, then. There are no baptized and active gay JWs the same way there are no square-circles, gelid stars or gelatinous diamond gemstones.

      That is to say you can't be a gay Christian; it's a logical contradiction.

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      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Joseph,

      you ask for scientific proof of what I believe, but you didn't ask the same of these so called exgays. You simply blindly accepted that they are what they say they are which is unscientific. You truly portray how blind you are if you think there are no actively gay JWs. I grew up with several.

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Maybe ex-gay but certainly not actively gay JWs; no such thing.

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      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      I used to think that the only person that you can change is yourself until I read all of this...Joseph, you have changed me. I used to have respect for JW, but now I don't. However I never overgeneralize so I won't condemn the entire organization over the mouthings of one member. I've known gay JWs. They didn't seem to not be accepted and I do believe you have confession within your meetings, so it must have been known.

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Jonny

      "All I ask, Joseph, is that you do not presume to know what is best for me."

      My sincerest apologies. For whatever reason I thought living eternally appealed to everyone, my mistake.

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      Further to my last comment, there are people here who have different points of view to mine.

      Hanavee, for example, still has his strong Christian faith. I fully respect him for that. Several other people posting in the discussions and hubs that I join with also have their unwavering beliefs, not necessarily main-stream Christian. They all have my respect, although I have no belief whatsoever in a supernatural "god" that sits in judgment of me, a mere speck of dust on a tiny microscopic planet of the universe.

      There is room in this world for ALL of us, including you Joseph with your beliefs within the JWs. You, everyone, all of us, are entitled to present what we believe and explain those beliefs where it's appropriate to do so. You don't have to water down your beliefs just to please my atheist views.

      All I ask, Joseph, is that you do not presume to know what is best for me. That you do not presume that you and your life and your beliefs are "better" and more valid than mine. Don't tell me who I should love and cherish and have intimate relationships with. It is none of your business, and it is NOT your right to judge me in whatever I do. Nowhere in your bible do you get the authority to do so, either. Since you are not in possession of all the facts you are in no legitimate position to judge.

      If you cherish this world which you say you God has made, then work to nurture and protect it. Show you care. Give your loving care to any human or any living thing that crosses your path and triggers your altruistic nature. Then, if you have the faith you claim to have, get working hard, so there is no time to waste in the short time you have to live this life.

      I do try to do these things but of course cannot be perfect, or anywhere near it.

      If you were to make real, genuine friends amongst the gay fraternity, I really would be surprised if you didn't make some really deep friendhips.

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      You are not doing that, Joseph, as much as you might try to convince yourself. You have decided that it is the "truth," and you have decided that "someone," i.e., myself and anyone else who deviates from your perceived "Truth," needs what you have in your mind.

      That, on your part, is presumptuous. You put your beliefs up as paramount, way more important than any other religious ideas in the world. You then seek to present arguments for, and justification for, your beliefs and why they need to be taken up by others. That in itself would be tolerable, but then you try to frighten others into acceptance by bringing up fear and threats of eternal punishment for disobeying your "God."

      This is nothing whatsoever to do with truth or "Love." It's egotistical, selfish, arrogant. Most importantly, it's self deception on your part.

      You and your church have nothing to offer me except bigoted nonsense. You have not shown me any semblance of Love, only dogma.

      You might be sincere, I cannot judge you in that regard. However, your religious stuff you can keep. I reject it totally.

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Jonny

      Since when is sharing with someone God's truth unloving?

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      "They cling to their view with such frenzied desperation and despair they won't let go despite whatever anyone explains , regardless of the good reasons or arguments they're presented with ."

      Thank you Joseph. I must remember that one. Coming from you, it is the epitome of any fanatical, intentionally blind and self-serving organisation such as that which you belong to. Pity you cannot see it in the mirror right before you.

      The really sad thing is that you speak of your God, and Christ, and Truth, and Righteousness - yet your attitude to your fellow humans is anything but Christ-like and appertaining to love.

      My hand is always held out to you as a fellow human being, but the mentality which you express prevents any sort of friendly gesture beyond that.

      I continue to hope that you will be enlightened sometime soon.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Oh boy do I not want to be a Jehovah's Witness

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      That does it for me. No more discussions with you. After that one, (cishet marriages...sheesh!) you have shown yourself to be mentally ill, deranged, psychotic, or all of the above, and I will not waste my time further.

      Brian

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Hanavee

      Except that Christ avowed cishet marriages, and only cishet marriages, as having God's approval. (Cf. Mat 19:4-6)

      Your quarrel is with him and Jehovah God who sent him, not me ...

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      If anyone qualifies for the Flat Earth Award, it is you, since the preponderance of evidence is on my side, not yours, and anyone who touts rabid anti-homosexual bigots from Uganda as their "scientific" source, such as you do, needs to crawl back under the bridge of darkness with the rest of your trolls. You ignore genuine scientific fact and embrace falsehoods spread by hatemongers, calling your sinful lies truth and the truth lies. The sickness that possesses your mind, body and soul is nothing short of demonic possession.

      Why did God make Black skin, then make White skin? He could have made us all to have one color of skin.

      Why did God make Blue eyes, then make Brown eyes? He could have made us all to have one color of eyes.

      Why did God make Red hair, then make Blond hair? He could have made us all to have one color of hair.

      Why did God make Tall people, then make Short people? He could have made us all to have one height.

      Why did God make some people die young, and some people die old? He could have made us all die at the same age.

      The God Who made all diversity did NOT have to ask YOUR permission to make all of the varieties of humankind that He did. Who are YOU to sit in judgment against any of His creations? Who are you to judge, when the Bible clearly says to JUDGE NOT! You will answer to God for all of the sinful bigotry and hatred that you planted and sowed in this world.

      You go out of your way to sow hatred and bigotry, and for WHOM? God? He created all that is, and He has a purpose for every life He created. None of His creations is worthless or damaged goods, not even those you despise. I would certainly hate to be in your seat when you stand before HIM. A hatemonger standing before an angry God!

      Brian

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      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Hanavee

      Folks who claim that the Earth is flat also present rationales and justifications for their stance . All of them opt to turn a blind eye to the enormous and persuasive evidence for a spherical Earth . All the same , they're invulnerable to hard facts together with logic . They cling to their view with such frenzied desperation and despair they won't let go despite whatever anyone explains , regardless of the good reasons or arguments they're presented with .

      Seems very clear to me that you happen to be very much like those advocates of a Flat Earth . Sure , you showcase reasons and arguments for your view but the truth is you parrot the same exact defeated reasons and arguments which have been around for the past century or two while at the same time avoiding the most apparent facts and arguments that refute your position . I'm not going to kick a menhir then announce I've belied your amphigory no more than I'm keen on convincing a Flat Earth exponent that the planet is truly spherical .

      You are free to go your way desperately believing what benighted or moonstruck ideas you desire . All the best !

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      I dare you to contact the international organization, Truth Wins Out, and spout your garbage. Since you might not be aware of just who Truth Wins Out is, they are an organization that investigates ex-gay organizations and the claims of their false representatives. They have repeatedly exposed such claims as you falsely make here, exposing so many so-called ex-gay people who were supposedly living life as a different sexual orientation. Since I know the founder of Truth Wins Out personally, I know their track record, and it is impressive.

      Let's start with Exodus, the very first ex-gay organization, and they were the largest. What happened to them? They were exposed by Truth Wins Out. They ultimately had to apologize for their lies. Anybody with any intelligence knows that your garbage is just what it is - GARBAGE! The true pervert is you, because you willfully pervert the truth and teach a lie.

      Brian

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Jonny

      Except that the reality of ex-gays completely guts your worldview ...

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Hanavee

      I'm also "bigoted" against murderers, rapists, thieves, democide and fraudsters ...

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      Alan 

      3 years ago from Tasmania

      Joseph...now you know why I have this nickname...it takes me some time to catch up with people in HubPages and discover what they are saying.

      You, Joseph, really need to do some inward searching of your own motives.

      First, come clean about your real objectives when you write and exchange views.... it's to lure people into the clutches of your Jehovah's Witnesses church. Now, deny this if you wish, but beware of bearing false witness!

      Secondly, since you are so, so concerned about sexual matters, is this a scapegoat for you, so you can divert attention from your own phobias and secret desires? You are unrelenting in your pursuit of homosexual people, and it's like you might be one of those "ex-gays" you keep talking about. If this is the case, you have not changed, Joseph. You still have those desires. They will always be with you. In truth, there is no need for you to fight them. Learn to be yourself, with all that is you, have some unconditional love for your self and your life. Then let some of that unconditional love flow over onto others around you.

      There is no cure for being homosexual or heterosexual.... because it is not a sickness. It's a normal part of life, and if you believe that your God instigated/created this life, it is surely not ok for you to denigrate this life.

      Now, go and help your neighbour, whoever he/she is. Don't hinder with bull dust.

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      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Joseph,

      The only person on here who needs true change is you, but since the bigotry in you is so entrenched, I sincerely doubt that even the help of God's Holy Spirit can come to your rescue. Your heart is darkened with the bigotries that were taught to you by other bigots. You are condemned to your own vile affections and un-Christian pursuits of persecuting gays.

      Brian

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Ask them.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Now that we know who these fine christian exgays are would they mind submitting to a lie detector test?

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      @Hanavee

      Except that true change, change that comes from within with the help of God's holy spirit, is permanent as these examples of fine Christians clearly show:

      http://bit.ly/17II650

      http://bit.ly/17IId0n

      http://bit.ly/18D0s9M

      http://bit.ly/18Kkazl

      http://bit.ly/18D0s9y

    • Hanavee profile image

      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      I see Joseph is on here with his anti-homosexual perversions and distortions. I dare you, Joseph, to take your baloney to the organization, Truth Wins Out, and ask President Wayne Besen (a personal friend of mine), about all of those false claims you are making on here about people being cured of homosexuality and now living pleasant lives as heterosexuals. In case you are as ignorant as I think you are, Truth Wins Out is an international organization that began when Wayne Besen caught one of the prominent "I-was-a-former-gay-and-look-at-me-now-I'm-heterosexual" poster boys in a gay nightclub and outed him for the deception. In fact, through the intense work performed by Wayne Besen and his organization, the most notorious of the false "You-can-be-heterosexual" organizations, Exodus, not only ceased its lies, but the president of the organization issued an apology on national news for the pain and suffering his organization had erroneously caused.

      Peddle your poison to the ignorant hobbits in your little private club of bigots, Joseph. You can choose to live under the bridge called Ignorance and Darkness like the other trolls, if you want to, but the rest of us have chosen the light of Jesus Christ. You are the true pervert, because you willfully pervert information to make your bigotries seem like truth and blame them on the Bible.

      Brian

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Joseph,

      You obviously cannot hear.

    • Hanavee profile image

      Brian Gray 

      3 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Read the book "Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth - The Bible Does NOT Condemn Homosexuality." It represents forty years of intense scholarly research and PROVES with irrefutable and verifiable FACT what the title of the book states.

      Bigots choose to run from the truth, because they are comfortable in their prejudices. They love ignorance disguised as truth, because it makes them think that they can hate other people all while calling themselves Christians. The absolute truth is that anti-homosexual bigotry is man-made, invented by bigots, passed down to bigots, and kept alive by bigots. We do not have to suffer at the hands of bigots. All we need to do is learn the truth, and as the Bible says, the truth will set us free.

      Read the book, "Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth - The Bible Does NOT Condemn Homosexuality." You will be glad that you did. EVERY passage in the Bible that has EVER been misinterpreted to condemn homosexuality is thoroughly examined and translated properly.

      Brian

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Before the entire human genome was mapped scientists said that humans descended from apes based on a comparison of the gene for the hand, but now we can compare the whole body and do you think they will even consider the past evidence as proof when current evidence based on a larger sample indicates something different? What I'm getting at is that prophecy is only a portion of the bible. I can get prophecies from my nonchristian spiritual advisor that are accurate, so do they come from God? Correlation doesn't determine causality in science. It is yet to be determined where these prophecies are coming from and scientifically you cannot assume that it is God. Not only that but also most of the bible is not prophecy. How do you prove scientifically that those sections are the word of God and not just the people who wrote them? When you insist on using science, then you have no choice but to be thorough and consistent. I was trained in scientific research in college. I know what it involves. The question that called this forward was do I have scientific proof for what I said. When researchers want to research gay men they come to me for samples of the population. I have referred hundreds of participants to clinical research on exgays. I've seen the results. All of it is conclusive that human sexuality doesn't stray far from the tree. It doesn't change far or permanently although because of various intrapsychosocial events a person's attitude towards their sexuality can change. However their attitude never matches their behavior. They simply have gay sex and pray for forgiveness and go back to their married family life every day. I don't know how to get through to you that if we could change, we would have already done it because all of us tried including me. I tried for decades to no avail except to be miserable and cold and hurt. It finally dawned on me that that was not a blessed life and couldn't be from God. I started looking at it from the standpoint of the bell curve. From there I found liberation because the majority of people are bisexual with only a few being purely straight or gay. I am bisexual, but under certain circumstances only. Mostly I am gay, but I like feminine women. I don't like made up women with makeup and fake hair. I only like natural women which are few. If I wanted to be straight there is no help because not only do the women appear unattractive, but there is no support of love from men which is so desperately needed. I'm not trying to gainsay. I'm just wondering why anyone straight would even be interested in forcing someone to change their sexuality. It makes no sense to me now, but at one time I understood. It was the fear from scriptures that made people think they had to save gays from going to Hell. Now I laugh at that. I've seen all kinds of theology pro and against. None of it is conclusive and you can find theology to believe either side. It can be very confusing if you really look into and study it. I decided to leave everyone else's ideas alone and just go with what I wrote, which is my personal experience. I don't know why anyone would want to invalidate my personal experience which is common to most if not all gays. Did you really feel nothing when you read it? Did it mean nothing to you that I am this way because of the things that I suffered and still suffer from to this day? It only hurts more every time we are told that we made a bad adjustment to our pain when it is the only thing that stops us from giving up on everything even life itself. Some do commit suicide because the pain is so great and we would rather face the judgement of God than the judgement of men. I don't even want to debate because for me it's not even a matter of right and wrong, it's a matter of circumstance. Your bible said to visit the fatherless in their affliction. That's what we are and we have great father hunger, even those who had two parents in the house. We are orphans and if you knew my history you might not be so quick to judge my lifestyle. I know that the bible is the word of God. I don't need science to prove it. That's just a rhetorical trick used by people to make it seem like you can't argue an issue without being scientific. If you want to take it there, then to be scientific about judging me you have to get to know me first and everything about me. Why would you even be interested in the real solution? I know what the cure for homosexuality is, but it is so concentratedly high powered and resource taxing that it would be like going through the eye of a needle and it would have to be maintained 24/7/365. You would have no time for anything else. I know because I tried hard and seriously and when I discovered what it took I knew that I just don't have the resources. Nobody does. I’m disappointed in religious people who take things out of context. The bible isn’t a book on behavior modification…which scientifically is proven not to work on adults anyway…its’ most important theme is a message of love for one and all regardless of what they’ve done, do, or will do. It’s called unconditional love and grace. These days nobody believes in that in deed. Instead we believe in just the opposite which is to condemn and we resonate with scriptures that seem to support this position. I love men a lot. I love women a lot too. I love everyone a lot. Sometimes I want to make love to the people that I love. Is that such a bad thing? I’m not trying to overthrow society or fight against churches and religions. I just want to be free to be me the best way that I can. Trust me when I say that this is the best adjustment that I can make right now for many reasons that would take a long time to explain. I’m not mad at you for presenting your point of view, but really it seems that neither of us has or will change. I went through with it for the sake of others who are watching who need to consider that they need to be fortified to take a stand for what they believe in or they will end up living their lives for other people’s satisfaction. I already know that marriages to exgays are always problematic unless it is also to an exgay or lesbian woman who doesn’t really care to the same degree about her husband’s sexuality. You can continue to contend with me and I will always answer as I see fit.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      I've been trying to post my response all day but it wont let me

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Sorry about the bad link.

      This one here points to the evidence you're looking for: http://bit.ly/1Hrjzck

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      prove it scientifically

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Because it is the unerring Word of All-Loving God.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      By the way, what makes you think your unscientific bible is fact?

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Call it what you will to support your ego.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      "Scientific studies aren't everything."

      But they certainly are a good jump-off point. The fact is you're merely expressing your opinion not a fact.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Scientific studies aren't everything. You are probably not a scientist and most people are not scientists, yet we know and understand things. Maybe you are a limited person who only believes things when science says so, but what does that say about your christianity? Where's the scientific study on that?

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      So you don't actually have one, that's what I thought.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Who needs a source when 100% of over 800 people interviewed all claiming to be exgay turn out that way. Not only that every gay man has gone through that phase and that's all it is is a phase. You on the outside looking in is very ignorant of our lifestyle.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      What's your source?

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      It's been proven that none succeed. They are all closeted.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      "I can quote 1000 to the contrary."

      How does that change the reality of ex-gays? Even if only one person truly experienced a transformative change by going from homosexual to cishet it would still refute your claim. Thankfully, though, we have more than just one case. The question then becomes, why is it these have succeeded were so many others have failed?

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      Not only that but every gay man was exgay at some point before we acknowledged the truth, accepted, and defined ourselves for who we are - gays!

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      By the way the exgay movement is a cult because it teaches salvation by works without grace.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      This problem is bigger than sexual preference. It's about people's willingness to acknowledge the truth. You will only hear and see what you want to hear and see. I told you that I work with exgays every day. I know their stories. Every exgay I've ever interviewed claimed to be an exgay, but then sooner or later they reveal that they still practice homosexuality and the desires never diminish and mostly they grow stronger. Many eventually leave their spouse for someone of the same sex. So there is no need to quote case histories. I can quote 1000 to the contrary. Once again religion continues to be a façade for the truth. All the holy sounding jargon to the contrary wont make you straight, but they do appear that way don't they? All to please people like you who wont show them the grace of God unless they are straight. Everyone believes in grace and unconditional love of God until you tell them you are gay. Then it's Hellfire and brimstone. Your unconditional conditions are destroying lives that could have otherwise dealt with reality. Both sides end up disappointed in the end.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      No, they don't...it's like I said...as usual religion is a façade for reality and everyone loves to have it that way. This goes beyond sexuality. It goes to the hardness of hearts to accept the truth in all things. There are no real exgays. Never were. Never will be.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Except that the real life stories I shared with you through those links prove otherwise.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      I am very familiar with the exgay community and you are not. I know how they are and exgay doesn't mean nongay. It means they hate what they are and try to be something different, but they can't so they feel guilty all their lives with self loathing. and yes they are still as gay as a French poodle.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      The reality of ex-gays completely guts your position.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      I was one of those people. I know how they are and think and do and feel. You on the outside looking in keep hoping you can get people to change instead of accepting them for who they are. Your ignorance misleads people like the above into a life of deception and secrecy. What's so hard to believe about people not changing their sexuality...you can't.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      "There is no heterosexual ending to a homosexual beginning no matter how hard you cheer for it. "

      Except that the real life stories I shared with you through those links prove otherwise.

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      I have worked with at least 800 exgay men over a period of 10 years. It's always the same story. They are always highhanded about using religion to change, but change never comes. Some even get married and have children to appear normal, but inside they are the same. They continue to sleep with the same sex on the side and some will eventually leave their spouse if they don't get found out and divorced. There is no heterosexual ending to a homosexual beginning no matter how hard you cheer for it. Human sexuality never changes far from the tree. Once set, it's for life. By the way, did your parents throw you a party when you decided to be straight? By the way, every person I worked with was Christian except for 1 Muslim.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      "Masked sexual deviation never changes."

      But true change, change that comes from within with the help of God's holy spirit, is permanent as these examples of fine Christians clearly show:

      http://bit.ly/17II650

      http://bit.ly/17IId0n

      http://bit.ly/18D0s9M

      http://bit.ly/18Kkazl

      http://bit.ly/18D0s9y

    • Shawn M Williams profile imageAUTHOR

      Shawn M Williams 

      3 years ago

      The research is in. Masked sexual deviation never changes. Someone who chooses to act differently from who they are only makes an even bigger mess with hurt feelings from the spouses and children and extended families when they cannot control their behavior. The bible also says there is none that doesn't sin, no not one. So if sinis really witnessed by the bible to be uncontrollable, why tamper with something as volatile as sexual orientation and marriage and family? All that happens is years down the road they leave their spouse for someone of the same sex and this is what the research shows. Jesus didn't moralize away reality, and Paul was not Jesus. They were two very different people as Jesus only promoted understanding when it comes to sexuality when He spoke of eunuchs in Matthew 18 or 19. There was no condemnation. Lesser beings are always trying to criminalize sexuality and Paul was a pharisee so he can't be anything but a bible thumper. You have an unrealistic view of sexuality and human nature. This is the typical facade of an otherwise sexually experimenting human race, or at worse hypocrites. Notice I didn't quote the bible even once. That's because it's highly inadequate for addressing this issue. It's not the infallible word of God and it's not the only word of God. Some of it isn't the word of God at all. You can quote scripture till your hair turns blue...I choose to use my own mind which obvoiusly you can't.

    • Joseph O Polanco profile image

      Joseph O Polanco 

      3 years ago

      Jesus taught, "For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings, sexual immorality [πορνεῖαι.] All these wicked things come from within and defile a man."-Mark 7:21,23 (Bracket mine.)

      Further along in the Christian Greek Scriptures we find, “Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.” -1 Corinthians 6:18

      "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but whoever practices sexual immorality is sinning against his own body."

      “ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι θεοῦ βασιλείαν οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; Μὴ πλανᾶσθε· οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται οὔτε κλέπται οὔτε πλεονέκται, οὐ μέθυσοι, οὐ λοίδοροι, οὐχ ἅρπαγες βασιλείαν Θεοῦ κληρονομήσουσιν.” - 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

      “Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.”

      "Their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty, which was due for their error." -Romans 1:26,27

      Notice that those passages utilize conjugations of the key phrase πορνεία. Precisely what is πορνεία?

      The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

      πορνεία

      Strong's Number: 4202

      Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

      Definition:

      Illicit sexual intercourse -

      1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

      As is readily apparent, with just a rudimentary comprehension of the Koine Greek concept of πορνεία , it's clear what exactly is and is not normal human sexual conduct in our Creator's sight.

      Does this mean that those with homosexual or bisexual inclinations must forever be a slave to their lust? Not at all! Unalike irrational beasts, human beings are more than capable of adapting their sexual behavior and limiting it to its proper place. (Even those struggling with sexual deviations have benefited greatly from medical advances designed to help them regain their good health.)

      Withal, there are many loyal to God who refuse to engage in any kind of porneia. They happily prefer to remain celibate until such time as they find a fitting heterosexual partner to marry and build a natural family with, as our loving Creator originally purposed. Such ones not only enjoy the benefits of having a clean conscience but the wonderful blessings reserved for those who persist in maintaining a close, personal relationship with the Sovereign of the Universe, Jehovah God. (Psalms 83:18; Psalm 97:10; Psalm 145:20; 2 Samuel 22:26; 1 Samuel 2:9)

      http://bit.ly/1ckFtZt

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