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The Elephant in the Church

Updated on June 1, 2017

Sola scriptura

This article is primarily written for those who know me, however anyone will either get it or not, but those who know me will hopefully be ready to explain away my very visible elephant with scripture, not doctrine or tradition.

Or admit the elephant exists if they cannot...

The Colossus of Constantine

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Constantine's Letter for the Council of Niceae

Was what started me off on this quest, you can read the whole thing by following the link on the right>>>>>>>

When I read it, one thing flew off the page...Constantine was antisemitic!

That raised an obvious question....Is God/Yahweh antisemitic?

Having established that God is not antisemitic, I immediately questioned the manner in which Constantine could have received this antisemitism spirit, which lead him to write the letter to the Bishops, which begun the hijacking of early Christianity.

Actually it's no surprise, we are all born antisemitic, it's 'in the blood' so to speak, and we live and develop it, or learn to contain it inside, until such time as we admit it and repent for it, then it can be removed and we can truly take our place grafted into the Judaic root we draw power from.

Logical really, Emperor Constantine notices that those Christians keep getting stronger with persecution, which of course is not what he expected, because lions and inverted crucifixions would normally stop people wanting to join, but they didn't.

So, why not amalgamate their religion into the other 33 pagan religions operating in the Roman Empire, make it the (official) state religion, and get control from the inside.

The rest is literally history, but even the most ardent Catholic should be able to see that the RCC has a clearly proven track record as antisemitic, not renounced until about 15 years ago.

Now this is not about bashing Catholics, I know some true born again believers ensconced in their ranks, and the problem was not even that they 'blended' Christianity into Catholicism (which means forming the church universal) which again is understandable, because their doctrines and traditions do incorporate most of the pagan elements that influenced it.

Some statements made in the letter:

  • Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded.
  • We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews....
  • We desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast.
  • How can they be in the right.....
  • They do not possess the truth in this Easter question
  • We could not imitate those who are openly in error.
  • It would still be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such wicked people[the Jews]

Try saying that today in our politically corrected world.

Try telling me it's divine inspiration from God...

The Problem was Protestantism

When Luther pointed out that Grace was a part of Gods word, the Catholics did not like it one bit, in fact had he not been protected by those German nights and Princes.... anyhow, Luther was a good Catholic ejected by his church, he never set out to start a new religion, just to correct an old one, which did not want correction.

Now Yeshua (Jesus) faced the same problem, He came and told the religious folk of the time, the Pharisees, Priests and Rabbi that they had got it wrong, and they did not like it either, which we all know resulted in His death, which was the plan, but it also resulted in His Resurrection, which most definitely was NOT part of the plan.

Satan missed the small print, death had not authority over perfect, righteous before Yahweh people... not normally a problem he encountered as we are all imperfect.

Back to Luther....who was also an antisemitic, and who inadvertently started the Protestant church.

When the new 'religion' took off, they made one fatal mistake, nobody asked "Well if the Catholics were wrong about Grace, what else may be wrong" and had they done so, history would have changed and may have been shorter than it has been.

We rely upon a word that was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Syriac, translated into philosophical Ancient Greek, then into Roman Latin, until it breaks out in Old High German, before reaching Elizabethan English and finally being in almost every language in the world, dozens of versions, many which change the context of whatever the actual written word was before it was translated.

Do not judge me yet (in fact you have no right to judge anyone except you) because I still hold that a man with nothing more than a bible (any bible) and a dictionary could find faith if he wanted to.

But to understand what Yahweh has really been saying, meaning and preparing all these years needs a mite more accuracy and an open mind.

Mathew 5 17-19

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What do you do

When you realise that the very foundations of the faith you have lived in and with for 25 years are actually corrupt... you start to think, or at least you should start thinking.

I took a look at the current church world, and found that although nobody was openly antisemitic, there is plenty of replacement theology around, even saw it in a supposedly Messianic Hebrew Roots movement, and dispensation theology, which seems to leap frog from Abraham's Blessing to Jesus, ignoring the Moses and Judaism which got in the way.

Constantine was my break point with traditional church and doctrines of man, but my swing towards Torah came from one scripture verse which God kept putting in my mind, over there on the right>>>

So my question is simple, but to date nobody has answered it with scripture, I've seen some attempts to divert answering by pointing out other scriptures, but a long time dealing with this sort of thing has taught me to stay with the one scripture until it's answered, but if you can prove what I am going to present is wrong, I'm fast to repent and recant, with no concern about pride and a much diminished ego since Yahweh started dealing with me.

If Matthew 5 is correct, why have we told generations of folk that the law was obsolete?

If Matthew 5 is incorrect, is Jesus a liar, or has it been mistranslated, or just overlooked, because I have read that verse many times, and never really seen anything after "I come to fulfill" which confirmed my teachings.

But Heaven and earth have not passed, and I would say that until the Millennium starts, and all power and authority has been handed back to Yahweh, it's not fulfilled, I agree Yeshua defeated the enemy, and death, but Yeshua must put all Kingdoms under His control before it's finished can be claimed.

Prove me wrong please.

Pure coincidence?

Matthew 7:21-23

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

King James Version (KJV)

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If it's obsolete, finished, done away with....

Why do we stand in pulpits, preaching Gods words from it?

Seriously.... why do folk used the 'obsolete, finished, done away with....' Old Testament verses to preach from, if it is actually all those diminutives?

Please think about that, I only realised the conundrum when I broke free of doctrinal thinking, and then it became clear to me, but if you have invested a long time into your church walk, I understand your reluctance to look at these things, or to even comment on them.

When I published this article, I sent it personally to many 'church' friends, asking them to correct me of error, with scripture, not doctrine.... nobody has even tried.

That means that either they cannot find scriptural error, or they cannot be bothered to correct the error they can see in what I wrote.

However, it's our responsibility to correct error in each other, which is why I posted this article, it's actually my duty to make them aware; that in scriptural terms, what I have written may put those reading it in the class of people we do not wish to be in:

"depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Equally it's YOUR responsibility to either take account of what is said, or correct me with scripture, to save my soul from the error you perceive.

That depart from me verse reads 'you who practice lawlessness' in other versions, and what does that actually mean, law less ness? if not referring to Torah, which is Gods law.... Selah.

We are exempt from the Mosaic Laws, made so ONLY because of the sacrifice of Yeshua, once and for all, but are you really satisfied that the relevant verses that give you the opinion that GODS COMMANDMENTS are no longer valid, will support you before the very God that made them, when you read those words.

Or will I and every other Torah observant believer, be told to depart, because we are keeping Gods commandments?

All I ask you to answer is why keeping the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is wrong, and you need to understand how much our walks and lives have improved since we set those times aside to be with God just as He commanded for all time, as a perpetual ordinance.

Shabbat Shalom

After my first Shabbat service one Friday night, I realised that I felt spiritually refreshed for the first time in years after a service, weeks later another sister who came with us described feeling like she had just been to church for the first time, and I asked God why, and it came back to me that the difference was, he was there, waiting to have fun with the kids (us, His children) and we turned up at the time He said we should.

For years I have been turning up a day late.

Oh Gods with us all the time, and of course He is with us on Sunday as well, but that's a work day, for Him, so we cannot expect His full attention, when He asked us (actually He commanded us) to meet with Him on the Shabbat.

So now, having no church body we can belong to with good conscience, we are starting a new body, (Living Waters) modeled on 1st century believers, who had nothing but the Torah and Prophets to understand Yahweh's word, and later the Holy Spirit to guide them, in keeping Yahweh's word.

So help me...

If you are a friend and brother or sister of mine, help me out here, because I really do not want to be wrong, I have been in faith 25 years, so to reach a stage where what the traditional church hold dear and sacrosanct is no longer something you can endorse, it gets rough.

If you can point out in scripture why I am wrong in what I have presented, I will be grateful and thank God for the clarity, because we have been praying into this for a year now, at least, and all we have seen are new revelations in Gods word, confirming what we are feeling.

I've seen the elephant and it's worth investigating.

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    • Michael-Milec profile image

      Michael-Milec 4 weeks ago

      Greetings . As much as you have revealed yourself on FB and HP, may I consider "knowing" you ?!

      Very well said John. Very well. The historic analysis is correct... A mess christianism, churchism, and traditionalism strongly holds upper hand upon humans. What shall we do ? ( I almost agreed with you...)

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      KingdomCome 4 weeks ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Jesus Christ did not come to destroy the Laws OR the prophets. He came to EXCEED the Torah Laws and the Prophets.

      Which is why the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew Chapter 5 thru 7) is about the Kingdom of God (Heaven). Matthew 6:33 But seek FIRST the Kingdom of God and His RIGHTEOUSNESS, and all these things shall be added to you.

      Christ was not referring to the Laws within the Torah in Matthew 5:17-19. His was referring to the Laws of the Kingdom of Heaven.

      Matthew 5:20 For I said to you, that unless your righteousness EXCEEDS the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. you will by no mean enter the Kingdom of heaven.

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      Eric Dierker 4 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This is all very interesting. Your historical representations seem quite accurate. And the elephant is very real. I have been studying the catechism for 3 years now and am a frequent "attendee" at RCC ceremonies/services/masses. I look around and it never ever strikes me that more than about 5% really get the foundational aspects of the Catholic church. Just as most of them and most "Protestant" parishioners do not get the difference between Catholic with the big proper noun capital C and the concept of a universal church being that with a small c.

      If I recall correctly if you took all Christians and averaged out the amount of time per week spent reading and studying the Bible it comes to something like 15 minutes and of course that includes those of us who study it far more than that every day.

      So it is my considered opion that you really need not convince anyone of your position. Especially sense it is an intellectual one.

      And I would wonder about the piety of someone who would try to change your belief. To me that would be quite weird, except in the philosophical sense as an intellectual exercise.

      If someone were to seriously challenge your belief wouldn't that in and of itself prove you correct?

      Excuse me for length here. I will go back to writing sermons.

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      John Harper 4 weeks ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thank you Michael, KC and Eric for commenting, and seemingly understanding what I wrote, feel and am deeply digging into.

      I have also sent this out to other 'friends' in faith, but the few replies I have seen so far only illustrate that they have not read it to understand, and it seems like a blindfold has been put over their eyes making it impossible to give more than a 'stock' response as taught them by their doctrines.

      That's a shame, because unless I can be shown my error, I cannot correct it, and comments that are unconsidered are worthless.

      So thank you all again for responding, not reacting!

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      AF Mind 8 days ago

      As a Torah keeper myself, I agree 100%.

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      John Harper 8 days ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks AF, it still surprises me that I sent this to over 100 Christian friends and none have attempted to point out and/or 'correct' my thinking!

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