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The Elephant in the Church

Updated on June 1, 2017

Sola scriptura

This article is primarily written for those who know me, however anyone will either get it or not, but those who know me will hopefully be ready to explain away my very visible elephant with scripture, not doctrine or tradition.

Or admit the elephant exists if they cannot...

The Colossus of Constantine

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Constantine's Letter for the Council of Niceae

Was what started me off on this quest, you can read the whole thing by following the link on the right>>>>>>>

When I read it, one thing flew off the page...Constantine was antisemitic!

That raised an obvious question....Is God/Yahweh antisemitic?

Having established that God is not antisemitic, I immediately questioned the manner in which Constantine could have received this antisemitism spirit, which lead him to write the letter to the Bishops, which begun the hijacking of early Christianity.

Actually it's no surprise, we are all born antisemitic, it's 'in the blood' so to speak, and we live and develop it, or learn to contain it inside, until such time as we admit it and repent for it, then it can be removed and we can truly take our place grafted into the Judaic root we draw power from.

Logical really, Emperor Constantine notices that those Christians keep getting stronger with persecution, which of course is not what he expected, because lions and inverted crucifixions would normally stop people wanting to join, but they didn't.

So, why not amalgamate their religion into the other 33 pagan religions operating in the Roman Empire, make it the (official) state religion, and get control from the inside.

The rest is literally history, but even the most ardent Catholic should be able to see that the RCC has a clearly proven track record as antisemitic, not renounced until about 15 years ago.

Now this is not about bashing Catholics, I know some true born again believers ensconced in their ranks, and the problem was not even that they 'blended' Christianity into Catholicism (which means forming the church universal) which again is understandable, because their doctrines and traditions do incorporate most of the pagan elements that influenced it.

Some statements made in the letter:

  • Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded.
  • We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews....
  • We desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast.
  • How can they be in the right.....
  • They do not possess the truth in this Easter question
  • We could not imitate those who are openly in error.
  • It would still be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such wicked people[the Jews]

Try saying that today in our politically corrected world.

Try telling me it's divine inspiration from God...

The Problem was Protestantism

When Luther pointed out that Grace was a part of Gods word, the Catholics did not like it one bit, in fact had he not been protected by those German nights and Princes.... anyhow, Luther was a good Catholic ejected by his church, he never set out to start a new religion, just to correct an old one, which did not want correction.

Now Yeshua (Jesus) faced the same problem, He came and told the religious folk of the time, the Pharisees, Priests and Rabbi that they had got it wrong, and they did not like it either, which we all know resulted in His death, which was the plan, but it also resulted in His Resurrection, which most definitely was NOT part of the plan.

Satan missed the small print, death had not authority over perfect, righteous before Yahweh people... not normally a problem he encountered as we are all imperfect.

Back to Luther....who was also an antisemitic, and who inadvertently started the Protestant church.

When the new 'religion' took off, they made one fatal mistake, nobody asked "Well if the Catholics were wrong about Grace, what else may be wrong" and had they done so, history would have changed and may have been shorter than it has been.

We rely upon a word that was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Syriac, translated into philosophical Ancient Greek, then into Roman Latin, until it breaks out in Old High German, before reaching Elizabethan English and finally being in almost every language in the world, dozens of versions, many which change the context of whatever the actual written word was before it was translated.

Do not judge me yet (in fact you have no right to judge anyone except you) because I still hold that a man with nothing more than a bible (any bible) and a dictionary could find faith if he wanted to.

But to understand what Yahweh has really been saying, meaning and preparing all these years needs a mite more accuracy and an open mind.

Mathew 5 17-19

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What do you do

When you realise that the very foundations of the faith you have lived in and with for 25 years are actually corrupt... you start to think, or at least you should start thinking.

I took a look at the current church world, and found that although nobody was openly antisemitic, there is plenty of replacement theology around, even saw it in a supposedly Messianic Hebrew Roots movement, and dispensation theology, which seems to leap frog from Abraham's Blessing to Jesus, ignoring the Moses and Judaism which got in the way.

Constantine was my break point with traditional church and doctrines of man, but my swing towards Torah came from one scripture verse which God kept putting in my mind, over there on the right>>>

So my question is simple, but to date nobody has answered it with scripture, I've seen some attempts to divert answering by pointing out other scriptures, but a long time dealing with this sort of thing has taught me to stay with the one scripture until it's answered, but if you can prove what I am going to present is wrong, I'm fast to repent and recant, with no concern about pride and a much diminished ego since Yahweh started dealing with me.

If Matthew 5 is correct, why have we told generations of folk that the law was obsolete?

If Matthew 5 is incorrect, is Jesus a liar, or has it been mistranslated, or just overlooked, because I have read that verse many times, and never really seen anything after "I come to fulfill" which confirmed my teachings.

But Heaven and earth have not passed, and I would say that until the Millennium starts, and all power and authority has been handed back to Yahweh, it's not fulfilled, I agree Yeshua defeated the enemy, and death, but Yeshua must put all Kingdoms under His control before it's finished can be claimed.

Prove me wrong please.

Pure coincidence?

Matthew 7:21-23

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

King James Version (KJV)

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If it's obsolete, finished, done away with....

Why do we stand in pulpits, preaching Gods words from it?

Seriously.... why do folk used the 'obsolete, finished, done away with....' Old Testament verses to preach from, if it is actually all those diminutives?

Please think about that, I only realised the conundrum when I broke free of doctrinal thinking, and then it became clear to me, but if you have invested a long time into your church walk, I understand your reluctance to look at these things, or to even comment on them.

When I published this article, I sent it personally to many 'church' friends, asking them to correct me of error, with scripture, not doctrine.... nobody has even tried.

That means that either they cannot find scriptural error, or they cannot be bothered to correct the error they can see in what I wrote.

However, it's our responsibility to correct error in each other, which is why I posted this article, it's actually my duty to make them aware; that in scriptural terms, what I have written may put those reading it in the class of people we do not wish to be in:

"depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Equally it's YOUR responsibility to either take account of what is said, or correct me with scripture, to save my soul from the error you perceive.

That depart from me verse reads 'you who practice lawlessness' in other versions, and what does that actually mean, law less ness? if not referring to Torah, which is Gods law.... Selah.

We are exempt from the Mosaic Laws, made so ONLY because of the sacrifice of Yeshua, once and for all, but are you really satisfied that the relevant verses that give you the opinion that GODS COMMANDMENTS are no longer valid, will support you before the very God that made them, when you read those words.

Or will I and every other Torah observant believer, be told to depart, because we are keeping Gods commandments?

All I ask you to answer is why keeping the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is wrong, and you need to understand how much our walks and lives have improved since we set those times aside to be with God just as He commanded for all time, as a perpetual ordinance.

Shabbat Shalom

After my first Shabbat service one Friday night, I realised that I felt spiritually refreshed for the first time in years after a service, weeks later another sister who came with us described feeling like she had just been to church for the first time, and I asked God why, and it came back to me that the difference was, he was there, waiting to have fun with the kids (us, His children) and we turned up at the time He said we should.

For years I have been turning up a day late.

Oh Gods with us all the time, and of course He is with us on Sunday as well, but that's a work day, for Him, so we cannot expect His full attention, when He asked us (actually He commanded us) to meet with Him on the Shabbat.

So now, having no church body we can belong to with good conscience, we are starting a new body, (Living Waters) modeled on 1st century believers, who had nothing but the Torah and Prophets to understand Yahweh's word, and later the Holy Spirit to guide them, in keeping Yahweh's word.

So help me...

If you are a friend and brother or sister of mine, help me out here, because I really do not want to be wrong, I have been in faith 25 years, so to reach a stage where what the traditional church hold dear and sacrosanct is no longer something you can endorse, it gets rough.

If you can point out in scripture why I am wrong in what I have presented, I will be grateful and thank God for the clarity, because we have been praying into this for a year now, at least, and all we have seen are new revelations in Gods word, confirming what we are feeling.

I've seen the elephant and it's worth investigating.

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      John Harper 5 weeks ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks James, your commentary is welcomed, and in due course I may have some questions or viewpoints to put down here!

      The video you linked is great!

      John

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      James A Watkins 5 weeks ago from Chicago

      I think it is great to honor the Jewish Sabbath if that is what you wish. I wrote a little about this as well: "Constantine's Edict of 321 had made Sunday a legal day off from work in honor of the Resurrection for Christians—and in honor of Sun-Day for pagans. It was a win-win situation. Christians did not call the first day of the week ‘Sunday’ but ‘The Lord's Day.’ Some claim that Constantine made it illegal to go to church on Saturday, which is absolutely mendacious. Others say Constantine ‘changed’ the Sabbath to Sunday, but that is perfidious. Jewish converts kept the Sabbath as well as the Lord’s Day, as did some Gentile Believers. There were Christians who worshiped all weekend long, and some who worshiped every day.

      It is surely fallacious to say that the Pope or the Catholic Church changed the day of worship. After AD 135, long before there was a Pope or a Catholic Church, while being persecuted by Emperor Hadrian—who seethed with hatred for Jews because they would not stop rioting and revolting—the majority of Christians had simply stopped observing the Jewish Sabbath. Anyone caught keeping the Hebrew Sabbath was severely punished, and the Christians were desperate not to be identified as Jews since they did not riot or revolt but desired only to live in peace with everyone. Not until 363, was any declaration made by the Church against Christians keeping the Jewish Sabbath, and that was to combat a heresy that insisted it was necessary to keep it to be saved."

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      James A Watkins 5 weeks ago from Chicago

      Ever since the Da Vinci Code, Constantine has become the boogie man. Just another example of the tearing down all former heroes of Western Civilization. The most important thing Constantine did in his life was stop the mass murder of innocent people simply because they believed in Christ Jesus. Again, from my book:

      "Constantine did not ‘invent’ Christianity; he did not write the Bible; he did not have anything at all to do with what books are in the New Testament. Constantine did not tell Church Councils what the results of their deliberations would be, and he did not make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. All of these are myths of satanic origin.

      What Constantine did do was put an end to centuries of cruel persecutions, gruesome tortures, and hideous executions of Christians. He printed Bibles—to replace the thousands that his predecessors had confiscated and destroyed. He built churches—to replace the hundreds that previous Caesars had burnt to the ground. Constantine proclaimed religious freedom for all religions including Christianity and Paganism. ...

      It is false that Constantine made Christianity the 'official religion of Rome.' As I write in my book, "Constantine wanted to promote religious tolerance. To that end, he dispatched correspondence to governors throughout the provinces that “complete toleration” should be given by the State to anyone who had “given up his mind either to the cult of the Christians or to any cult.” Anti-Christian decrees that had previously been put in place were revoked; property that had been seized from Christians was restored, including places of worship; monetary compensation was provided for property that had been destroyed by the Empire, and crucifixion was abolished. By the Edict of Milan, the Roman Empire legally reversed 250 years of official hostility by government mandate toward the Christian Faith and granted full legal recognition to the Christian Religion. ...

      He was just a man and surely had faults. However, "Urged on by his Christian conscience, Constantine passed laws that protected children, slaves, prisoners, and peasants from abuse. He instituted sweeping reforms in the treatment of convicts; banned gladiatorial games, the facial branding of slaves, child slavery, and infanticide. Constantine passed laws that forbade married men to keep concubines, prohibited prostitution of servants by innkeepers, and outlawed the seduction of slaves. ...

      "During 250 years of savage persecution by the Roman Empire, the number of Christians expanded from thousands to millions. During the reign of Constantine, only 20 percent of the inhabitants in the Latin West were Believers, but fully half of the souls in the more heavily populated Greek East had joined the faithful. ... It was not earth-shattering that Constantine put Christian bishops on the State payroll. Pagan priests had been paid by the State for centuries as a benefit to its citizens. Constantine wanted bishops to double as judges to keep State overhead down. He provided much of the food and money that the bishops would distribute to the needy. So, the Church would administer the public welfare system for the Empire. ...

      "It was the year 325 when Constantine called all Christian bishops to a conference in Nicaea (Iznik, Turkey, today) to unify the belief system of the Faith. Constantine summoned the holiest men in his Empire to examine the doctrines propounded by Arius—which had bitterly divided his subjects—and while thus assembled they might as well calculate the correct date to celebrate the Resurrection, and draw up a statement of basic belief that they could all agree upon.

      Each and every one of the 1800 Christian bishops in the world was invited—1000 from the East and 800 from the West—and each bishop was welcome to bring along two priests and three deacons, with the Emperor providing food and lodging, as well as paying for travel expenses and other needs for all attendees. 318 bishops were able to make it.

      There are many misconceptions today regarding the Council at Nicaea. The Canon of the Bible was never discussed; the Bishop of Rome, or Pope, had no special role except as one of a trio of bishops acknowledged to be among the most influential; Constantine made no decisions, nor did he cast a vote. He did not much care what decisions were made as long as an agreement was reached that would unify the Church and stop the acrimonious arguing over doctrine. The idea was that representatives of Christians everywhere should get together to standardize their beliefs and practices, and therefore unite the Church, which is something unquestionably commanded by Christ. What Constantine wanted was harmony, serenity, and an end to bickering over minutiae. Order and stability in the Empire were paramount to him. He had a strong aversion to bickering over abstract ideas, what he called “trifles," especially about small details about which we cannot possible know with certainty.

      It is a lie that Constantine ‘made’ the holy men favor Athanasius, the staunch opponent of Arius. Constantine did not like Athanasius at all. He considered him a berserk man, because he flogged his subordinates with regularity, and imprisoned exiled bishops who were his enemies.

      Constantine had already asked Arius and Athanasius to settle their differences amicably and forgive each other. He believed their dispute “to be of a truly insignificant character and quite unworthy of such fierce contention.” Only when this did not work did he even call the First Church Council. Twenty-two of the assembled bishops supported Arius at first, but when his writings were read aloud the first day of the meetings his support dwindled to perhaps six men, and eventually down to only three."

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      James A Watkins 5 weeks ago from Chicago

      I addressed the origin of Anti-Semitism in detail in my book. I will quote just a bit of it: "The first law in history against Christians was passed by the Jews, who proclaimed that anyone acknowledging Jesus as the Messiah was to be cut off from all connection with the Jewish community; barred from the Temple and the synagogues. It was from the time of this decree that disciples of Christ began to form their own congregations, apart from their mother religion of Judaism. ...

      "The first Christian martyr was Stephen, one of the original seven deacons of the Church. A deacon is a person who cares for the needy among the flock. The word martyr means witness and has nothing to do with suicidal murderers who blow up buses full of innocent women and children.

      Stephen was a brilliant orator. He preached primarily to the Greek-speaking Jews in Jerusalem, where he was hated by the priests of Judaism. A man of great faith, filled with the Holy Ghost, his angelic face radiated love. In the year 35, beastly Jews, gnashing their teeth, stoned him to death for saying that God did not need the Temple of Jerusalem or any other building made by human hands. ...

      "In 56, James had been thrown off a platform in the Temple by Christian-hating Jews, and he would limp from the severe injuries he suffered for the rest of his life.

      Although the half-brother or step-brother of Jesus, he did not believe in Christ until after the Resurrection. Then he became the leader of the Christian movement among the Jews, serving for decades as the first Bishop of Jerusalem. Faithful to Judaism throughout his life, he never stopped worshiping in the Temple and spent so many hours in prayer that his knees were covered in callouses, hence his other nickname, ‘Camel Knees.’ He took on the most difficult assignment of all: shepherding the flock among the very killers of the Lord—who continued to hunt down and persecute poor Jews that followed The Way. ...

      "A wonderful example of holiness, and a kind consoler of the poor and afflicted, Barnabas loved everybody and everybody loved him. Except perhaps the Jews that tortured, crucified, and burned him alive, for preaching about Jesus in Cyprus in 61. ...

      "Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem. Because Israel as a nation (notwithstanding some individual Israelites) rejected Jesus, great punishment was coming. The Holy Presence no longer abode in the Temple after the crucifixion of Christ. The Jews as a people scorned Christ or there would be no such thing as a Jew today.

      For forty years after His death and Resurrection, the Jews, already guilty with the blood of Jesus on their hands, would add the blood of His Apostles and other disciples. The Jews were quick to claim responsibility for the death of Jesus, and said they welcomed any coming punishment for it on themselves and their descendants. They got it. In AD 70, the Romans obliterated Jerusalem and crucified 500 Jews a day—until they ran out of lumber. ....

      "Emperor Hadrian hated Jews; in particular, he loathed circumcision, which he made a crime punishable by death. He decided to create a new pagan city on the ruins of Jerusalem, with a Roman temple dedicated to Jupiter on Temple Mount. Word of his plans caused the final revolt of the Jews in 132. ...

      During this rebellion, Christians refused to aid the Jews in their insurgency against Rome. Because of this, the followers of Jewish revolutionary leader, Simon bar Kokhba, tortured and murdered Christians ... This period also witnessed the blossoming of the anti-Christian screeds that would become common in Jewish religious commentaries. As a result, most outside observers, for the first time, began to see Jews and Christians as enemies of each other. ...

      "By the end of the Fourth Century, the Christian Faith had gained almost universal acceptance in the Roman Empire. ... It did not help nourish relations with the Christians that, for centuries, the Jews had helped the Romans identify Christians so they would be tortured and killed.

      When Julian the Apostate became the last pagan Emperor of Rome in 361, the Jews held loud and long public celebrations, because he hated Christians as much as they did. But during the 380s, Emperor Theodosius, a devout Christian, made religious conformity the official policy of the Empire and not long afterwards we see, for the first time, attacks on synagogues by Christian mobs in some cities.

      By the year 400, it was not rare to hear sermons against the Jews from church pulpits, and by 500 many Jews had seen their communal rights and privileges withdrawn by the Christian communities in which they lived. They were excluded from military service and public office. Intermarriage was a crime, punishable by death in some parts of the Empire. The worm had turned. "

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      James A Watkins 5 weeks ago from Chicago

      I went to Israel with a group led by a messianic Jewish Rabbi, Robert (Bob) Gorelik. Here is a video shot during our trip, in which I am in the groups he is addressing. You can see me i the upper left, barely in the frame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFf3buJsIg

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      John Harper 3 months ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks AF, it still surprises me that I sent this to over 100 Christian friends and none have attempted to point out and/or 'correct' my thinking!

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      AF Mind 3 months ago

      As a Torah keeper myself, I agree 100%.

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      John Harper 4 months ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thank you Michael, KC and Eric for commenting, and seemingly understanding what I wrote, feel and am deeply digging into.

      I have also sent this out to other 'friends' in faith, but the few replies I have seen so far only illustrate that they have not read it to understand, and it seems like a blindfold has been put over their eyes making it impossible to give more than a 'stock' response as taught them by their doctrines.

      That's a shame, because unless I can be shown my error, I cannot correct it, and comments that are unconsidered are worthless.

      So thank you all again for responding, not reacting!

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      Eric Dierker 4 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This is all very interesting. Your historical representations seem quite accurate. And the elephant is very real. I have been studying the catechism for 3 years now and am a frequent "attendee" at RCC ceremonies/services/masses. I look around and it never ever strikes me that more than about 5% really get the foundational aspects of the Catholic church. Just as most of them and most "Protestant" parishioners do not get the difference between Catholic with the big proper noun capital C and the concept of a universal church being that with a small c.

      If I recall correctly if you took all Christians and averaged out the amount of time per week spent reading and studying the Bible it comes to something like 15 minutes and of course that includes those of us who study it far more than that every day.

      So it is my considered opion that you really need not convince anyone of your position. Especially sense it is an intellectual one.

      And I would wonder about the piety of someone who would try to change your belief. To me that would be quite weird, except in the philosophical sense as an intellectual exercise.

      If someone were to seriously challenge your belief wouldn't that in and of itself prove you correct?

      Excuse me for length here. I will go back to writing sermons.

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      KingdomCome 4 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Jesus Christ did not come to destroy the Laws OR the prophets. He came to EXCEED the Torah Laws and the Prophets.

      Which is why the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew Chapter 5 thru 7) is about the Kingdom of God (Heaven). Matthew 6:33 But seek FIRST the Kingdom of God and His RIGHTEOUSNESS, and all these things shall be added to you.

      Christ was not referring to the Laws within the Torah in Matthew 5:17-19. His was referring to the Laws of the Kingdom of Heaven.

      Matthew 5:20 For I said to you, that unless your righteousness EXCEEDS the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. you will by no mean enter the Kingdom of heaven.

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      Michael-Milec 4 months ago

      Greetings . As much as you have revealed yourself on FB and HP, may I consider "knowing" you ?!

      Very well said John. Very well. The historic analysis is correct... A mess christianism, churchism, and traditionalism strongly holds upper hand upon humans. What shall we do ? ( I almost agreed with you...)