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Was Jesus Present in the Beginning?

Updated on June 17, 2017

Was Jesus Present In the Beginning?

Gen 1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.

Gen 1:26-31 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

These are the scriptures that tell us about the beginning when God created heaven and earth and everything in them. It clearly tells us that God is the creator of all things. Verses 1&2 tell us that God started with nothing and the Spirit of God was hovering over the void. Verse 3 tells that God spoke it and light was created then God saw the light said it was good and then he separated the light from darkness, creating day and night. Then the rest of genesis show God repeating this process of speaking things into being until He finished by creating the last item on His list, Man. In verse 26 He said “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness” then in verse 27 “27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”.

Now up until this point there were only God and His Holy Spirit and the things He had created present.

Only now did there appear a man. At this time everything of every kind and provision for each living thing to procreate their species on the earth has been created and approved by God. Plants, trees, fruit, and seeds were to be food for every living thing in which there was breath of life. Seeds would be the manner of procreation for each living species He had created on the earth and God instructed the man to multiply all species on the earth.

From now on, because God had created ALL THINGS, the only way for a man to enter the earth will be the ways God has prepared, through the seed of the man He had created. So, from now on the only way for a man to enter upon the earth would through the womb of the woman God had created and her descendants. There is no further creation, now its up to man to multiply in the manner prepared by God.

BEFORE YOU CONTINUE PLEASE READ THIS:

If you are really interested in scripture truth you should understand this. If you have been taught something different than this you should read it, study it, compare it to scripture as scripture tells you.. Do NOT believe anything any man wants to teach you (including me ) until and unless the Holy Spirit and scripture assure you it is truth. Read it then make up your mind after you have studied it and asked the Holy Spirit to confirm or deny it's truths.

If you do not read it you are not qualified to comment on it.

God always gives clear and complete details when He does things so we cannot misunderstand His intentions. Look at the details of the Law of the old testament , what, why, when, who, how, for how long, what material, what color, every little detail is covered. Throughout the old testament age He never left out the details

When studying the old testament, which covers the ages of man from creation until the Birth of Christ.

YOU MUST understand some of the manner of speech and the customs from the time the scriptures were written. There are several excellent books on the “Manners and Customs of the old Testament” and you MUST USE ONE TO UNDERSTAND the manner of speech and other things that greatly differ from the way we see, do and describe things today. An online PDF version can be found here www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books%20II/Manners%20and%20Customs.pdf Applying our current understanding cannot bring the truth of what many things in scripture actually mean. For Example, most people are familiar with the following Matt 19:24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." this is easy to understand just as it stands but it actually has a different meaning to the people of the time, remember a lot of the things we have they never heard of and their world view was probably smaller than Texas. Possibly most people of the time had never seen what we call a needle. There was a place on one of the roads into the city called, the eye of the needle, where camels had to get down on their knees to pass through, a very difficult thing to get them to do, but that needle they were familiar with where we think of a little sharp pin with a whole in it. And there are many others, most of which mean something altogether different thing to us than it did to them.

As always I will also recommend that you have an Interlinear Bible, a word by word translation with the Strong # and no added words or as mine does it shows commonly added words with the Strong's #9999 so you know when you see it you know it was added by man and is not in scripture. You also need a Greek/Hebrew Dictionary so you can see the meanings of the word. Use those meanings, do not use the kjv usage that is also shown they are the definitions used by king james translators when they made his personal bible because he was afraid the puritan bible would cause an uprising among the believers in the King of Kings and they would rebel against and replace him. .

YOU MUST understand and remember that bibles ARE NOT scripture, they are translations of scripture by men and contain many things not found in scripture. The divisions of the bible and the chapters, verses, sub headings and notes are added by men and are not in the scriptures. Also many references from the OT to the NT and vice versa are the opinions of the translators. The additions added by men are intended to lead you to believe what they do and for no other reason. If it causes contradiction between scriptures it is proof that it is of man and not of God and you must be able to recognize that. Scripture if properly translated is to be trusted, men are not.

YOU MUST understand no scripture contradicts another, if does then you have something wrong in your understanding. Notice below that the bible subheading CONTRADICTS the scripture it heads. Thus not understanding this very important fact has probably caused more confusion and damage to the cause of Christ than any other error. Those looking at the teachings that use contradicting scriptures to prove their point quickly see the error and discard Christianity as foolishness when actually it is the work of man not scripture that is error (the scriptures are inspired by the Spirit of God). So the subheading from my bible, and there are very many more like it, contradicts the scripture itself—do you see it? Do not trust headings they are not scripture.

An example subheading copied from my nkjv bible proves the point. “Do Not Judge”

But That is the opinion of the translators and not what scripture says or means.

HERE IS WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS.

Matt 7:1-2 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

John 7:24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

1 Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God Matt 7:1-2 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

The translators of my bible believed a lie and want you to believe it. And that is how most false doctrines are promulgated and appear to be correct. Headings and notes must be ignored. You must learn how to understand scriptures correctly to obey the scripture command “do not be deceived”. Remember satan has a BIG bag of tricks. “James 1:16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren”.

Another and THE MOST IMPORTANT thing you must understand in studying scripture

The other thing you must understand is you MUST see scripture in the Spiritual context. Which is impossible for the mind of the flesh man to comprehend. But those that have been filled with the Spirit of God now have Him living inside of them and ARE able to see in the Spiritual realm. The reason for this is because after the judgment, there will be a new heaven and a new earth and the humans that were allowed entry to the Kingdom of God will be instantly changed into Spiritual beings, (the end of mankind) there will be no flesh in eternity. If we are going to enter eternity we must learn how to function in the Spirit. Only those that are infilled the Holy Spirit of God can truly do this, that is why scripture clearly says you must be baptized in water and The Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God..

John 3:6-8 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

John 4:23-24 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

John 14:15-18 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

Acts 19:1-7 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

1 Cor 2:13-16 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

1 Cor 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.


Titus 3:4-8 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Where was Jesus at creation?

Now that we have covered the necessary guidelines it is time to get to the meat of the subject. Where was Jesus at creation? I will take the bible passages that commonly are used to “prove” Jesus was present at the creation, from the original languages and we will look at what they actually say, but first we must understand what the book of revelation is about and then we must see who is the Alpha and Omega. The First and the Last. Who was and is and is to come.

The common understanding is that the book of revelation is to teach us about the end times, and it does, but that IS NOT what the purpose of the book is, The purpose of this book is to “reveal Jesus Christ “ to those that are His. And we must read and study it with this in mind to fully understand Christ and the end times.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants — things which must shortly take place.

The word translated here as “revelation” is NT:602 apokalupsis (ap-ok-al'-oop-sis); from NT:601; disclosure:

So this tells us that to really understand Christ we must understand the book of revelation correctly as it will disclose/reveal who Jesus Christ really is and His purpose in coming. In other words the fullness of Christ is revealed herein.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

The words “the beginning and the end” are not in scripture but were added to explain alpha and omega. The word “Lord” is NT:2962 means supreme authority, GOD.

The word translated as “Lord” is NT:2962 kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):

“which is, and which was, and which is to come”, meaning is The ONE which was from the beginning, who currently is and will again be in the new age. This is because God has Given All authority on heaven and earth to Jesus FOR THIS AGE only and it will be returned to God at the end of this age at which time He will be the supreme authority again and for eternity.

The phrase translated as “which is, and which was, and which is to come” is NT:3801 ho on kai ho en kai ho erchomenos (ho own kahee ho ane kahee ho er-khom'-en-os); a phrase combining NT:3588 with the present participle and imperfect of NT:1510 and the present participle of NT:2064 by means of NT:2532; the one being and the one that was and the one coming,

The “Almighty” is God. THE One and Only Sovereign GOD who created ALL THINGS.

The word translated as “Almighty” is NT:3841 pantokrator (pan-tok-rat'-ore); from NT:3956 and NT:2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign):

The above clearly speaks of the One and Only single entity which is the supreme authority, which is GOD alone. It does not say anything here about the Son of God who IS Jesus Christ, who shall be revealed in this book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. We must continue reading if we wish to see Jesus revealed. As we continue we find a greeting from “Him who is and who was and who is to come,”, who we see from above is the One and Only Supreme God the creator of ALL THINGS on heaven and earth.

Rev 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come,

Then we see in the next verse also a separate greeting from Jesus Christ, also explaining who He is, the faithful witness of God, not God, but His faithful witness., the first born of the dead, first man to be raised from a dead physical body, and ruler over the kings of the earth (because He has all authority over heaven and earth until the end of this age). Notice He is not God but a separate entity,

5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

The word translated as “faithful” is NT:4103 pistos (pis-tos'); from NT:3982; objectively, trustworthy; subjectively, trustful:

The word translated as “witness” is NT:3144 martus (mar'-toos); of uncertain affinity; a witness (literally [judicially] or figuratively [genitive case]); by analogy, a "martyr":

The word translated as “firstborn” is NT:4416 prototokos (pro-tot-ok'-os); from NT:4413 and the alternate of NT:5088; first-born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively):

The word translated as “dead” is NT:3498 nekros (nek-ros'); from an apparently primary nekus (a corpse); dead (literally or figuratively; also as noun):

Now we continue to Rev 1:6 To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Here we see who He is. He is the One who washed us from our sins in His own blood, He has made us kings and priest to who? To His God who is His Father. THIS IS THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. HE IS NOT GOD, GOD IS HIS FATHER. HE is truly the Messiah, the Holy One of God, the one described in God's Word, who God has planned from the beginning as the Savior of man, to invalidate (undo) the curse of death that we inherited from Adam.

Continuing on to Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

He is returning in the clouds (of the sky and clouds of people) and EVERY EYE on earth will see Him. Even they who pierced Him, the dead will arise to earth for the judgment so they WILL actually see Him and recognize their terrible mistake now knowing their punishment is near. Every tribe (nation, people, tribe and family) will mourn because in every one of them are some that are lost and doomed to destruction. But amen, they had their chance and refused Him.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." God once again tells us this is His judgment that we were warned about and given the opportunity to avoid.

Note, we are only looking at the revelation of Jesus Christ in this book and will not be discussing other parts of the end time message.

Stop here and read all of chapter 5 of Revelation.


Rev 5:1-7 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?" 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it. 4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." 6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

There was no perfect man, but then the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ the only perfect man that ever lived appeared, He is worthy.

Rev 5:8-13 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth." 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!" 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

Rev 5:13-14 "Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne,

And to the Lamb, forever and ever!" 14 Then the four living creatures said, "Amen!" And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

If Jesus was God He would not have had to do anything to deserve “To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!"

Rev 7:9-12 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude (clouds) which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen."


Salvation IS OF GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST THE LAMB OF GOD. AND THEY WORSHIPPED GOD FOR SENDING HIM.

Rev 7:13-17 13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" 14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

THEY WORSHIPPED GOD in thankfulness for sending and sparing not His Son.

Rev 12:10-11 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony,

Note the two persons here God and Christ and of course since they are of one Spirit the Holy Spirit is present..

Rev 21:22-27 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Eternity with God and His Son Jesus shall last for ever and ever without end, again two separate persons. God and His son Jesus, the lamb of God through whom we have access to God.

Rev 22:1-5 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

God is receiving His authority back and bringing to each his reward as He promised.

Do you see the need for the use of the term “You are righteous, O Lord,The One who is and who was and who is to be,”? God was from the beginning, all in all. He now is still God, but His authority in this age is given to Jesus so He is not all in all during this age, but when this age ends and Jesus returns His authority to God (Who is to be once again all in all) the God is once again and for eternity ALL IN ALL . Jesus work has been completed and the age of man is finished and now comes eternity.

Matt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

1 Cor 15:24-28 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Rev 22:12-16 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments (those of Jesus not those of Moses), that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Rev 22:20-21 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


JESUS WAS NOT PRESENT AT CREATION!

If Jesus was present at the creation He would have been mentioned, but at the creation Jesus had not yet been born so He was not mentioned because He was not there.. I will fully explain the reason for the misunderstanding as we go on.

The reason so many have a problem with hearing that Jesus was not present at the beginning is everyone assumes the trinity and other false doctrines are correct because the churchmen have taught them for years. But they were never taught in the early church, in fact it was long after the scriptural warnings of Jesus, Paul, Peter and others that these false beliefs were brought into the churches from the catholic church. It cannot be supported with scripture correctly understood and in context. If it was of God don't you believe Jesus, Paul, Peter or at least one of the apostles would have explained it to us in scripture? Scripture is clear Jesus is not God. There was God and There is His Holy Spirit, they were definitely both present at creation but Jesus was simply not there.

Then there is Jesus Christ the Son of God, a man, who was born the only way man (after Adam and Eve) can be made and delivered to earth, through the womb of a woman. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN son of God, the firstborn of MANY yet to be sons of God. No man has EVER come upon the earth since Adam and Eve were created and commissioned by God to multiply (bring more man to populate the earth) in any way but through the womb of a woman. As it was in the beginning God never changes, He created them, established how they would procreate and it was good in His eyes.

Further proof of the ONLY WAY MAN CAN ENTER EARTH is found in the account of Noah and the flood. God had to save a man and a woman (Noah and his wife) and a pair of all living creatures to repopulate the earth after He destroyed all living things on the earth in the flood because he was finished creating and that was the only way He had prepared to create additional man and animals in whom is the breath of life.


John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

And many also have been taught that Jesus is the word. But that is not what scripture says here. The Word is the Holy Spirit. The only person recorded as present at the beginning other than God is His Holy Spirit. The word of God tells us of the MESSIAH WHO IS YET TO COME. The Messiah is the MAN JESUS who was not born until the beginning of the new testament. In order to understand scripture you MUST be FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT of God because He is the Word of God and has been with God from the beginning so He knows ALL THINGS that have taken place or that will take place, He is the ONLY source of ALL TRUTH. Because ALL truth resides in Him. He was there with God always and knows ALL things as scripture says. That is why we become of one Spirit when we are infilled with and respond only to the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of the living God.

John 14:26-27 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

How can He bring to remembrance of all things that Jesus said to You? Simple everything that Jesus said was to you, and me and everyone living in this final age. If and only if, you are infilled with the Holy Spirit because He was there for EVERYTHING and is the only one who knows EVERYTHING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE SINCE “ IN THE BEGINNING”.

Jesus was born and came into being in the only way a man can come forth on the earth, through the womb of His mother Mary. He was born as scripture tells us in Bethlehem, was crucified, gave up His Spirit to God, was resurrected the third day by the Holy Spirit and lives today actively waiting for His time to return at the end of this final age of mankind, to return the Kingdom to His Father and shepherd the flock under His Father's authority for eternity.

Those truly belonging to Him have their names written in the Lamb's book of life and will join Him in eternity ALL OTHERS will be cast into the lake of fire with satan and his host for destruction.

Please for the sake of your salvation, be sure you are following the correct, the only, Firstborn Son of God, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, the one who died so we can live eternally.

Charles LaFoe

Copyright 6/2017

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    charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

    dianne, you clearly have no real comprehension of the who Jesus or Holy Spirit are and their Functions. You also quote from a bible that you claim as scripture that is not correctly translated. I will detail below.

    You have again falsely accused me with your insinuation that I would have you listen to me to hear the Holy Spirit. Which is a bold faced lie . If you know anything of the Holy Spirit you would recognize that I am unable to influence Him. And since I said in this article and in my profile and on virtually all that I write that you should NOT Believe anything that I or any other man wants to teach you unless and until the Holy Spirit confirms it as truth. That is what scripture tells us. Test all things to see if they be of God (with scripture and by the Holy Spirit) and reject what is not but you must believe what is.

    If you had read the whole article instead glancing trough it and asked the Holy Spirit as you should have you would not be making false claims. But you are surely free to believe what you wish.

    I will not accept your false doctrines. Some of the bible verses you give contradict scriptures which a true translation cannot do, others are misunderstood, and others are just plain out of context or twisted but you are not willing to even study, compare to scripture or ask the Holy Spirit. In fact I can't remember that you have even once indicated that you have compared any that I have given or explained to scripture, you just post your scriptures and attack .

    If you had ever heard from the Holy Spirit I am sure you would have mentioned it.

    Here are bible quotes "in quote marks"from your 2 posts copied directly from them with my comments. Bibles are not scripture. Yes I have an article explaining that too.

    “Son's participation in creation (a few references to Son's participation in creation. Name, Jesus, came in Matthew. He existed as Son before given earthly name Jesus)”

    I don't know where you got this but – there is not one scripture that says Jesus participated in creation or existed before he was born of Mary. Not even a hint of one but many bibles say such.

    “Hebrews 1:2 says, “In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”

    Again scripture says He has spoken to us by His son who is the possessor (heir by God's appointment) for this age and does not say that the universe was made through Him it says the AGE was made through Him. The age in which we live, the final age of man before the judgment of all. The age in which Jesus has been given ALL AUTHORITY ON HEAVEN AND EARTH until He returns it to His Father at the end of the age..

    “There is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live” (1 Corinthians 8:6).”

    This proves your belief that Jesus is God is error, there is one God is true.. In this age , which we and He live in, where He has all authority this is true. We cannot live , in the scriptural sense any way but through Jesus.

    “Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or n

    dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him”.

    Scripture says this about God not Jesus, the punctuation to say otherwise is not in scripture, just in some bibles

    "Deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is further proved by the fact that He has attributes belonging uniquely to God, e.g.:

    He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17).

    “He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27)”.

    “He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26):.

    “ accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33).:"

    He is standing in the Place of God during this age as the gatekeeper, the only way to God is through Jesus for this age only. So of course if He is acting as God's representative with ALL the AUTHORITY OF GOD GIVEN TO HIM FOR THIS AGE, then during this age He has that power to do these things. Or scripture and God lied and I am sure they did not.

    :”He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God). (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear.)”

    Throughout the new testament we see this statement “from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior” The greek word translated as Lord in the New testament recognizes who He is , the God of this age. Our Lord and Savior He is not God.

    NT:2962 kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title): Jesus is acting in as God of this age

    "And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6)."

    Rev 1:8 is God speaking, not Jesus . Jesus is not the almighty God.

    Rev1:17-18 does not say He is Jesus, it is God speaking, He, God, was first and He God is the last and God eternal but Jesus was God during the previous (last) age of man until He returned all authority to His father God, the first and the LAST FOREVER, ETERNAL GOD..

    " In the Old Testaent, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2) "

    The new testament, specifically in revelation we find who Jesus really is. (you would have known this is you really had read the whole article.

    Interestingly though your note here proves you wrong. “(Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) is absolutely correct Jesus the firstborn of many sons is the father of eternity, without his birth, death and resurrection we would not have have the opportunity to enter eternity. He alone gives eternal life.

    As I said in the article if you did not read the entire article you are not qualified to comment.

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    KingdomCome 3 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

    Outstanding work here Charlie. The greatest asset in understanding the bible is the guidence through the Holy Spirit. As you have stated in this article we need the guidence of the Holy Spirit to obtain understanding of ALL truth.

    The Holy Spirit can and will direct us to truth and in the process make us aware of what is err and what is not. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is utmost important as we study His word. Without the Holy Spirit guiding us then understanding all of God word is not possible. This is the most important in any and every study from Genesis until the very end of Revelation.

    Another outstanding article. And I hope everyone will take the time to read it from start to finish As always, God bless.

    P.S. Thank you for the copy.

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    charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

    dianne- those that understand scripture by learning from the Holy Spirit as scripture tells us to instead of believing the false doctrines of men.

    Matt 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    NKJV

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    G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 months ago from Fontana

    Hi Charlie, I would like to know what Christians accept your beliefs?

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    charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

    dianne-- Apparently you do not understand how use correct context and understanding of scripture. You clearly are following false church, man made doctrine not scripture.

    Either you did not actually read the complete article, are not listening to the Holy Spirit, or just do not understand what "all authority on heaven and earth" that was given to Jesus for this final age of man means. It means He is acting in the place of God as God's appointed authority for this age. He IS NOT GOD but He is acting as God, having been appointed by God to that position for this age, which means He has ALL of THE AUTHORITY of God during this age (which is why He will return that authority to God. to whom it belongs when His job is finished at the end of the age) and then God will Judge by the Lamb's book of life who enters eternity with them and who goes to destruction in the lake of fire. There will not be any one who is not filled and controlled by the Holy Spirit of God (which makes them of one Spirit with God and His firstborn son and all the other saints) allowed entry to eternity. There will not be any one or thing contrary to God's ways to pollute eternity in the new heaven and earth, it is a place of everlasting joy and peace.

    You have the right to believe what you want but using scripture incorrectly (picking and choosing without regard to full context)and following the teaching of apostate men instead of the Holy Spirit does not promote truth.

    Scripture is clear the only source for ALL TRUTH is the Holy Spirit as He is the only one who has ALL TRUTH.

    That is why I always say as I did in is this article " do not believe anything that I or any other man tries to teach you UNTIL AND UNLESS the Holy Spirit of God confirms it to be truth."

    You are free to accept or reject what I teach.

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    G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 months ago from Fontana

    Son's participation in creation (a few references to Son's participation in creation. Name, Jesus, came in Matthew. He existed as Son before given earthly name Jesus)

    Hebrews 1:2 says, “In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”

    “There is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live” (1 Corinthians 8:6).

    Colossians 1:16 16 For by6 him all things were created, lin heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether mthrones or ndominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created othrough him and for him.

    Deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is further proved by the fact that He has attributes belonging uniquely to God, e.g.:

    He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17).

    He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27).

    He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).

    He accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33).

    He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God). (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear.)

    And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6).

    In the Old Testament, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2)

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    charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

    Mm- thank you. Yes this was necessary because of all the attacks when I posed the question on a forum. Exposing error is not for those that cannot handle the attacks from the false teachers. There was no room there for a proper response and although I knew the subject it took some time to put it in writing. This does need to be addressed because so many teach it wrong. There is a big difference between the false doctrine that Christ is God and the truth that He is the Son of God. Saying that he is God invalidates the fact that He alone is the Messiah sent from God.

    I agree with what you say here but my calling is to bring forth scripture truth where false doctrine is promoted. While we definitly have different callings I believe for the most part we are in agreement. Bless you brother

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    Michael-Milec 3 months ago

    A great work. Suppose you were compelled and you have written this head spinning article. It might be helpful. I do not know what is not given me to know. There are many other who will come under anointing to confirm if this is what the heavenly Father want his children to be concerned of "Was Jesus Christ present in the beginning or wasn't ?! My fellow warrior, to my earthly walk in obedience matters the most following “If any one loves me," replied Jesus, "he will obey my teaching; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.” As long as Christ - the living Word lives within me and the Spirit prompts me to act upon His word, all that would be sufficient to finish this earthly walk and then continue in the new realm eternally.

    Peace with us.