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Creation or Explosion? How did you get here?

Updated on July 6, 2015

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What do you believe happened?

Is it possible that life started just because of an explosion? This possibility for life is just a little bit bizarre to me. I need something more concrete for my beginning, like a creator. Some believe that humans evolved from primates, and others believe in the big bang theory. I just talked to someone that believed that the two (2) theories go together. I asked the person "who created the the ape" they said that the big bang theory caused a cell to be formed, and then everything came in to being. I asked "how did the cell have the knowledge to form all the different things, and how did the Ape become intelligent? Can an Ape plan for tomorrow? Does the Ape know what tomorrow is? She told me that intelligence came about through evolution. I thought it hard to believe that someone could believe in that. Just look at all the things around you, and in you. Can you really think that? Who created the big bang? I then asked who created the universe? I said that someone had to create the universe a big bang didn't create the universe. I got no answer to that question, hmmmm. No matter where a person is in the world someone will have his or her own theory on how life began. What teachings are correct? Is there just one way life began? I believe life was introduced here on earth by only one way possible. In order to find out what the truth is one needs to choose a place to look for the answer.


We can look to the Bible for answers.

Well, another dilemma, where does one begin to look for an explanation? I will use the Holy Bible as the basis of where I got my information. Millions of people over thousands of years have depended on the Bible to live their lives. Obviously the people who believe in the Holy Bible believe that someone inspired the writing of the Bible. One of the books of the Holy Bible, 2 Timothy 3:16, states "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness." Who is this God that can inspire man to write a book for him? According to the scriptures of the Bible, God has a name which is Jehovah.

Exodus 6:3, another book of the Holy Bible, tells us "And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them." This scripture was God speaking to his servant Moses.

We can also look at Psalms 83:18 which tells us "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth."



Catastrophic happenings have been recorded in places other than in the Bible

People referenced in the Holy Bible have also been documented in secular historical records for example: King Herod, King Solomon, and King David just to name a few. Major occurrences have been referenced in the Bible, such as whole cities being destroyed. The Holy Bible has solid credentials as to its authenticity. To me and many other people the credentials for this wonderful book give us a real reason to have faith in the words of the Holy Bible. As the Bible book of Hebrews 11:01 aptly states, "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."

When the Bible says in the book of Genesis 1:01 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," and at Genesis 2:07 "And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life,and the man came to be a living soul," we can be sure of its truth.

The Bible lets us know that God created man and woman, and so that we can trust that information God also let us know that he is indirectly the author of the Bible as recorded in 2 Timothy 3:16. God made man from the very dust from the earth this is how man came to be on earth. God created man after he made the earth to where man could live on it. At Genesis 1:1 “ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” God started with talking to his son Jesus about what he wanted to create. Jehovah wanted a world of people who would love and worship him. But, he had to create a habitat that would be perfect for man.


The Earth first, and then man was created

Genesis 2:4--”This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.”

I will give here three (3) different Bible translations of the scriptures below:

New World Translation: Genesis 1:26,27--26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth. 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.”

King James version: Genesis 1:26-27—26 And God said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness,and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth...27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them..... “

Good News Bible: Genesis 1:26-27---26 Then God said “And now we will make human beings;they will be like and resemble us. They will have power over the fish,the birds, and all animals,domestic and wild,large and small... 27 So God created human beings, making them to be like himself. He created them male and female...”

With these three translations it shows that the thought is still the same. In any Holy Bible you will find that the translation recorded is about how God made man in their image. That image is of God and his son Jesus. Pretty compelling I think. That different persons can translate the information and get the same idea.

Our instruction manual to guide us perfectly.

Why would some of the Bible be factual and other parts fictional? Would it make sense to write a book of books giving credit to a wonderful loving and caring creator just to make him something not real? And, why would he have his son Jesus come to this earth to die for a people who want to pick and choose what they want to believe in his word the Bible? What was Jesus real purpose for being born to a human couple? These are questions that can all be answered in this wonderful book of books the Holy Bible. There has been a purpose from the very beginning for mankind, and all this is answered in the Bible. There is a wonderful hope for mankind, and it is all outlined in the Bible. The Holy Bible is our manual that God has provided for our good. When we follow the instructions in the Bible we will all run smoothly like a well tuned car.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      who created god, if everything has a beginning?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      JMcFarland that is a very good question and thank you for reading and commenting. The Bible tells us at Revelation 1:8-- “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.Which I'm sure you know means there is no beginning and no end he has always been and always will be" and at Isaiah 44:6-- “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God." This is from 2 different writers the first from the Greek scriptures or New Testament- Revelation and the second one from Isaiah is from the Hebrew scriptures or Old Testament. It is hard for us as humans to grasp the idea of no beginning and no end for anything, but that is where faith comes into place. I love having a hope from the seemingly never ending bad that exists in this world.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      that's special pleading. You claim that everything has to have a beginning, and therefore the universe cannot simply begin to exist without a cause. You then backtrack and say that not everything has to have a cause because your god has always been. Therefore things can eternally exist, according to your own argument, so it's just as likely that the universe existed as it is that your god created it.

      Additionally, using the bible (since it is a self-confirming document unsupported independently by any actual evidence) doesn't work. Almost all religious works claim that they are true, and everything else is false. Without any verification or evidence, it simply does not hold water.

      Your friend that tried to use the big bang and evolution in such a manner clearly does not know much about either one. How much have you studied them?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      You give very compelling arguments. I like that. I just looked over your profile hahahaa and you like to debate things. That is good because then when you know something you have looked into all facets. OK, even Darwin couldn't prove his theory, and that is where the big bang came from. Even in his death he said he couldn't prove it because it comes to just one big circle that doesn't prove a solution to his theory. How can we believe in something like that. At least there is some proof of creation. Because like I brought out in the article that cities such as Sodom and Gomorrah have been proven that they existed and were destroyed. Also, some of the Kings have been recorded other than the Bible. Things that have happened to Jerusalem have also been recorded other places other than the Bible. A little more concrete than just a theory don't you think?

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      you make a few fundamental errors. Darwin's theory of evolution - which is a theory in scientific terms, not layperson's terms - has nothing to do with the big bang theory. They address two completely different topics. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of LIFE, it talks about how life developed once it already existed. A theory in science is supported by evidence, experiments and so forth and so on. In science, you do not get higher than a theory. Evolution is a fact AND a theory. Laws are not even higher than theories because they address something different. There is NO evidence of creation at all. Creation is not a theory, it's a hypothesis that has been put forth for several thousand years, and not a single shred of evidence supports it. Evolution does not say that we all descended from Apes. With the advantage of DNA, genetic research and micro biology, we can see a lot more than Darwin ever imagined. In science, as you learn more and gain new technology, the theory shifts to incorporate this new data. Sometimes theories are thrown out completely. Science follows the evidence. Creationism starts with the end result and then looks madly for every shred of anything that can prove an end result - it's not concerned with following the evidence because it mandates that the answer is known already - no matter what the evidence says.

      The fact that things mentioned in the bible can be proved archaeologically or historically does not make the entire book true. For example - spider man comic books take place in New York City. We know that New York city exists. We can go there, we can study the city's history - does that mean that spider man is real because something in the comic book is true and based on a real place? When you have a book that was written AFTER historical events, you have a book that can include some facts. Not the other way around.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      JMcFarland, could evolution decide where eyes go, or certain muscles go certain places in a human or animal, could evolution decide to create different plants. Come on anyone really thinking can see that there had to be a creator somewhere. How could evolution make things smarter if it just came from nothing. There had to be a creator to make the cells to know what to do. Even with a creator there is science the creator made the science with evidence. The evidence is in the creation, and the creator gave us the evidence in a special manual describing it all. You have to make sense from sense not from non-sense.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      That's simply untrue. I don't man to be rude, but it has become abundantly clear that you have no concept of what evolution is or how it works. I would suggest actually learning what something its before you decide that its not possible.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      You can choose to believe what you want, and I have the right to choose what I want to believe. But, I do know that evolution can not choose where cells need to go to create a human or plant or animal. There is a creator as per the word create. That is the evidence. Whether evolving which is what a Caterpillar does into a Butterfly, or a frog from a tadpole there was a creator that programmed those things. I am not ignorant of evolving or the big bang theory just realistic.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      You don't even know what evolution means, based on your hub and your comments. That means that you don't understand it. What you're using is an argument from ignorance. You don't understand how evolution our evidence works, so you can't imagine another way to explain it but "god". You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is not fact. Its belief.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      No, Julie is correct. You are obviously ignorant of science and the theory of evolution. Do you believe Scarlett O'Hara was a real person simply because Atlanta and Savannah were real cities included in GWTW? lol! Let me guess, you inherited your religious beliefs from your parents and have never studied any other cult but this one.

      To anyone with a basic scientific understanding your claims reek of ignorance and prejudice towards the old novel you quote from. Sorry, but there it is.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Ok, if you can prove that evolution can tell the difference between cells then so be it, but I know you can not. I do know evolution, and know that it is also theory. Something that you really can not prove no matter what kind of evidence there is. But, for me I do know there is a creator, and no one can prove otherwise. There is no amount of evidence you can provide that can prove there is no creator. Look around you do you really want to think that there is no grand creator. What about color do you think that color just happened also? Eyes for most people can see color and differentiate the different colors. Believe what you will, but there is a God whose name is Jehovah our grand creator who made everything perfect. And, through his son Jesus mighty name, who came here and died a horrible death, we have the opportunity for life forever. Your way means nothing but what we have here now, and that is very sad because there is a lot of unfairness.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      All you're doing is confirming how ignorant you are on the subject. If you were willing to admit that you don't know even passing knowledge on the subject, then that can be worked with. But you claim to know a lot about evolution yet you can't even define it.

      Do you know that even Christians list the "its just a theory" defense as something that other Christians should not use as an argument to try and prove creation? Look up "answers in Genesis" and look for the page about which arguments should be avoided. Then, look up talkorigins

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Randy, like I told Julie you are free to believe what you want too. And, you are wrong I went to school and college too, and I have studied enough to know what is right and wrong. I have my own mind and am smart enough to know what is right and wrong. I am only stating fact that believing is not something inherited, so you are wrong about that.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Did you study evolution in college?

      Let's try it this way. Please tell me what you think evolution is.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Mathew 6 :30-32

      If, now, God thus clothes the vegetation of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much rather clothe YOU, YOU with little faith? 31 So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to put on?’ 32 For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. For YOUR heavenly Father knows YOU need all these things

      Tell me how would evolution or the big bang theory know what food to make for man to eat. There are good and poisonous foods. Tell me what would be the purpose of having both if there is a evolution. You just go on trying to make me look stupid for my belief, and in reality I am the only one who makes sense here.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      I'm not trying to make you look stupid, and you don't need to quote scripture at me - I know what it says. I actually graduated from a Bible college with a degree in theology and I read the Bible in Greek, Hebrew and Latin. I asked you what should be a simple question. What is evolution?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      I tried to put it in the last comment. But, no I didn't study something I don't believe in. Maybe you could tell me what you think evolution is. If you studied the Bible in college then there really is no discussion because you obviously know it all. I choose not to believe in evolution. I do choose to believe in the Bible. What is there to lose by believing in the Bible at least there is a hope there, and there is no hope the way you believe. Maybe you can explain that. If I had known you know the scriptures I wouldn't have wasted my time. I'm sorry you are trying to put me on the spot here, but I do understand that this is open to discussion. I do appreciate your views, and your taking the time to discuss this with me. hahahaaaa Sorry, I almost forgot what this is about. I almost got upset, I am sorry. We obviously will not come to an agreement except to agree to disagree.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Okay, I never claimed to know it all, but I do seem to know more scientifically than you do, and that's fine. I get it. I guess the conversation is over because you said there was no point. You choose to believe the Bible, and that's fine - but do you care whether or not your beliefs are true? I would.

      Why do you think atheism is without hope - and what hope do you think you have? That when you die, god will be there and you'll get to live forever while everyone like me gets thrown into hell? I don't see that as particularly hopeful, but you might. It was while I was studying the history of the Bible that I started to no longer believe in it. I used to believe the same thing you did.

      You equated evolution with the big bang, and them pretty much said that there is not evidence for it - even though it has been observed, tested, duplicated and reviewed. I genuinely want to know what you think evolution means, because it has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of life. I don't have to taghave to tell you what I"think" evolution is. I KNOW what it is by definition. Please, I implore you. Look up the faq page on talkorigins.org.

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      osas 4 years ago

      where are will going to hmmmmm

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Did you answer my question about how you became a Christian, Nancy? I would suggest you were born into it and have been indoctrinated into the beliefs of the church. This is obvious by your refusal to even study enough about evolution to speak coherently about it.

      Do you not even care how ignorant you appear to those who have at least taken the time to be assured they aren't risking their soul for a lie?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      That is really not nice Randy, and yes if you read my comment you will see I did answer that question. You might appear ignorant to other people if you think about it. No, I went away from the church for a number of years, and did think about what you both believe, but I just don't buy it. Sounds like a ludicrous thought to me. But, we all have the right to believe what we want to without having to call names.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      I did have another comment in here I don't know where it went to. Sorry I don't remember everything I said in it. I will try and remember. I went into how I believe the Bible. It really is a choice with each one of us. We don't inherit faith, we learn faith even from things unseen. You believe in the air you can't see that. You even believe in things you can't see you just believe its true. You can't tell me how color came into being or how each cell knows how to go where it needs to go can you?

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Again, Nancy, and I'm really not trying to offend you and I apologize if I have, the fact that "you don't buy it because it sounds ludicrous to you" prevented you from even looking into it and understanding it. Please understand me - I used to be a missionary. I used to believe what you believe. Now the idea of christianity is ludicrous to me - not because I'm ignorant of it, but because I DO know it, where it came from, and more than I probably should know on the origins of the Bible, specifically the new testament.

      You believe in the Bible because you want to, and that's fine and good, but there is no justification or proof for that belief. Discounting evolution that HAS proof because you don't like it or understand it seems p absurd to me.

      The scientific process is backwards from the theological process. Scientists propose a hypothesis. Then the try everything they can to price that hypothesis wrong. It is only through testing, repetition and thorough peer review that any hypothesis can become a theory. Do you believe in gravity? That's a theory, too. A scientific law addresses something different than a theory, and the two can coexist.

      Theology, on the other hand, starts with a premise that they WANT to be true, and then they try to prove it right, and blatantly ignore any evidence that contradicts it. Creation is a hypothesis that they've been trying to prove for 6000 years and they have never been successful. Evolution on the other hand has been proven, documented, tested, repeated, etc. I get that you don't want to believe in it and that you don't want it to be true because it contradicts your religious beliefs. That does not, however, make it false.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I care not if I appear ignorant to ignorant people, Nancy. I looked back through your comments and couldn't find where you said whether or not you inherited your religion from your family, and especially if you were indoctrinated into the church as a young child. Please clarify this for me if you can.

      Have you ever considered what happens to you if you are worshiping the wrong god? And do you believe you will get off scott free for encouraging others to do the same? Or have you ever considered such? I doubt it seriously.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Julie, you said that there is a hope with evolution. Could you explain that to me. Because I have not in-depth studied evolution, because what I learned in school and on pbs channel which is a big promoter of evolution, I don't ever remember anything about a hope for the future. The world is just getting worse and worse like has been brought out by Jesus in the Bible. It is hard for me to see you as a missionary and turning your back on that teaching. What happened to make you change your views something traumatic? Well, plz let me in on what hope is offered by that view, ok.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Nancy -

      well, my story is a long one. I wrote a hub on it briefly, called "why would an atheist study the bible" that you can check out if you want. i was raised in the church but I've always had my questions. I was told that I shouldn't ask, and just trust in god. Eventually, that failed to be enough. In college, I was a history and biblical literature major with an emphasis on theology. The more I learned about the early christian church (or churches) who wrote the gospels, how the new testament was compiled and how prone it was to outright forgery, I started no longer believing in it. When I learned about the old testament, I realized that a god that would treat his "creation" that way is not a good god. I also came to realize that any supreme deity that would be capable of creating the universe wouldn't care one bit about being worshiped. The god of the bible seems to be an egomaniac. He likes the smell of burning flesh. He orders sacrifice. He commits genocide, degrades women, is okay with slavery and commands the death sentence for rape victims who do not protest loudly enough to be heard. That's not an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving god. And any god who has the power to do ANYTHING that he wants would not resort to sending himself to earth in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order to appease himself for the rules that he himself created. It's backwards - it's bronze-age justifications for things that were unexplainable - much like the ancient Romans thought that Zeus was the god of thunder because they did not understand where else lightning would come from - so they invented a god to explain it.

      As far as hope for the future, I can only make one point. This life is the ONLY one that we know with certainty that we have. Since I don't have a belief in god, it is my intention to live this life to the fullest. I do good things for other people. I volunteer my time and make donations to charities - not because a god commanded me to, because I was promised eternal rewards or threatened with eternal torture if I didn't, but because it's the right thing to do for other human beings, regardless of what they believe or don't believe. I can't imagine throwing this life away and bending to the will of a god without any evidence that he exists - only to find out in the end that god wasn't real - and I wasted my only opportunity to live a life that makes me happy and fulfilled by just being me. The cost of christianity is staggering. It teaches you that you're inherently sinful - that you're not worthy of god's love or forgiveness unless you accept his son. You're taught that god cannot love you just the way you are because there's something wrong with you and that you need to ask forgiveness in order for him to accept you. You have to obey his rules and likewise try to force those rules on other people who don't share your beliefs. You're taught that everyone you love is going to go to hell and be tortured forever unless they believe the same thing that you do. That's abusive behavior. There's nothing wrong with me. I'm a loving, intelligent, compassionate person - and I don't need a god to be that way.

      I think you're attempting to use an argument called "Pascal's wager" and I wrote a hub on that as well. It states, basically, that having a belief in something on the chance that you're right is better than not believing anything at all - but that's far from the truth. Either a god exists, or one doesn't. That makes it equal at 50/50. Those chances diminish, however, when you consider that there have been thousands of different god claims throughout humanity - which means that there's only a slim chance that YOUR particular god belief is correct. If I die and realize upon my death that you and other christians were right, fine. I would not worship the god of the bible. He can punish me as he sees fit. If you die, however, and realize that you were wrong and either a different god exists or no god exists, what's the cost going to be for you? What would you have given up in your only life in service to this god when you could have been living a good life without him? The hope I have as an atheist is simple. I was fine before I was born. I didn't exist, and I wasn't afraid. When I die, I'm going to be fine as well. I'll either continue to exist somewhere else, or I'll be gone - and if I'm gone, there's nothing to be afraid of - and I don't need a promise of heaven to make myself feel better about dying. Everybody dies. Not everybody truly lives.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Thanks Julie for being candid. I can understand what you are saying. I'm not changing who I am for God I am being better for knowing God, and knowing his son Jesus. I would like to correct something you said tho. Jesus is not God he is God's son and he came to earth to make his Father's name known, and to teach the good news of his Father's kingdom. Jesus is the one who sacrificed for mankind to makeup for the failing of Adam not God Jehovah almighty God, the only true God. And as far as going to a burning fiery place called hell there is no such place. Hell means the pit which means the grave. So all mankind will go there if they should die before armagedón. Man will be in God's memory to be recalled in the resurrection. I serve a loving God that loves his creation. Even when he destroyed he saved out men that were righteous. There has to be order in things and that is all that God wants. Things are for our good. Satan rebelled and now we have to suffer until he is put away. But, mankind will know that satans ways are not good. I have lost nothing by believing in God and will have lost nothing if he is not true.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Nancy -

      with all due respect, I have to fundamentally disagree. According to christian doctrine, Jesus is the second personage of the trinity. He is the son, but he is god himself as well. He, the spirit and the father are one - according to his own teachings. Therefore, differentiating between the person of jesus christ and god the father is irrelevant. Jesus did not have to come to earth to make his father's name known. The jewish people already knew who god was - and god sacrificed his son in order to appease himself for the sins of mankind. That, at least, is the theory presented in the bible.

      All of this becomes a lot more complicated when you realize that there is no contemporary evidence for jesus at all. The only evidence that you have to prove that he existed is the gospels - which were written 80, 90, 120+ years after Jesus' supposed death by people who never met him.

      Even when god destroyed people, he saved the righteous? Does that make genocide and mass slaughter okay, because 5-6 people were saved? Would it be okay for you to slaughter thousands of people if you saved a couple from death? Chances are high that your answer is no - but you're claiming that it's okay for a god - who is supposed to be infinitely more moral and just than you are - to do it, because he's god. That makes no sense. A few members of the nazi party (like Oscar Schindler) saved a few hundred jews from the gas chamber. Does that make the rest of the Holocaust acceptable?

      The story of Satan's fall from grace is not mentioned in the bible at all. Did you know that? It's passed on from Jewish tradition after their captivity in Babylon - it's not biblical. Additionally, if satan is god's enemy, how can he waltz into heaven and make bets with god over the torture of a human being?

      How has god made your life better - and how do you know that a) it's not god, and not just your own inherent goodness and b) that it's the god that you claim to believe in? People all over the world worship different gods, and all of them claim that their god makes their life better. Are they all wrong because you are right?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      No Randy I was not indoctrinated into any religion. A person doesn't inherit religion it is adopted as a belief. I did go to church and learned basic Bible truths, but I got away from going to church when I got older. I like everyone else had an interest in evolution, but it just didn't make sense to me because someone had to cause the evolution process. I began to study the Bible again in my 30's and have researched a lot of things. Yes, I do know what you are saying about telling something not true. I am confident of God and his son Jesus as being the only true deity's. I am not worried of being blood guilty if that is what you mean. Like you feel, and most humans there is a need to worship someone or something, and you choose evolution and I choose God. As long as we believe what we do we will never agree.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      As you know there is only one way, I guess that one day and probably really soon we will all know the truth. What I was saying that I am who I am, and what I believe does not change me. Isn't that what you are saying how does it make you any better to stop believing in God. Those that were destroyed were very bad and made the world bad and hard to live in. That is what the bottom line is. Do you really believe that evil should continue on just to save the evil ones? Did you know that the doctrine of the trinity started in the old testament way before Jesus, and that is a pagan teaching? So how could Jesus be in the trinity head before he even came here to earth?

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Actually, the trinity concept began at the council of Nicaea by early christian leaders in order to bypass the problem of having more than one god - since they also decided that Jesus was god and was divine.

      How do you know that those who were destroyed by mass slaughter and genocide were bad? God commanded the jews to kill men, women, children and animals. What did the animals do wrong? He commanded the soldiers to rip open the women's pregnant bellies with the sword and put to the sword the unborn children. What did the unborn children do wrong when they weren't even born yet? How is killing thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people good - just because they have never heard of your favorite deity? Such an action is NEVER moral, not for a human being, not for a god - especially not for a god who claims to be the only one. You're justifying and rationalizing genocide on an epic scale, and it's abhorrent. Ultimately, you're just making excuses for your god's behavior.

      None of this, however, has anything to do with evolution. You're right - you cannot have a creation without a creator. There is no evidence, however, to prove that a creator was ever necessary. If you ignore all of the evidence for evolution just because you don't want to look at it, study it or examine it, that's fine - but you're continuing to live in willful ignorance and ignoring all of the facts that are out there just because they don't line up with your preferred religion. All religions do the same thing. they claim absolute truth with absolutely no evidence and claim that all other religions are naturally wrong.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Ok, has been a very long day Julie I have enjoyed this banter. I will continue believing in God and his Son Jesus. If they are wrong it is not up to me to decide. I do believe that God is good, and what he stands for is also good. I will continue to live a wonderful existence, and confident that my decision is the best choice. I do hope the best for you.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I know of no one who worships evolution, Nancy. And how is it a sacrifice if god simply brought Jesus right back again? A sacrifice is when something is given up for good, not just for a few days. God gave up nothing at all as he can simply do anything he desires according to you.

      Now if your god had left Jesus on the cross until he rotted and then brought him back to life, then you may have something there. If Jesus actually existed--and as Julie pointed out there were no eyewitnesses to his life and nothing was written about him for many decades after his supposed death--Some believe he never died in the first place and was taken down from the cross and recovered from his wounds before showing himself to others.

      So why would a god make it so difficult to believe in him by scattering ancient fossils all over the earth which indicates evolution as being a factual progression? Why would he try to trick us into not believing in him because everything points to his non-existence ?

      Nope, I don't buy into the old goat herder's myths when learned men have an abundance of evidence to the contrary. But you can believe in the tooth fairy if it makes you feel better. You 'll certainly get the same results.

      And you are wrong. Everyone doesn't feel the need to worship something. Who told you that?

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Ok Randy, we all have the right to believe what we want to. You can't prove I'm wrong either. I do choose to believe in God and his son Jesus. I have lost nothing. My life is still the same. But, if the Bible is correct, and I do believe it is, then I will have gained everything with ever lasting life. So, take care, and I do hope the best for you. Thanks for commenting with me.

      Worship is just in everyone. You worship something whether you admit it or not.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      wow. okay then.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      And you are delusional, whether you admit it or not.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Thanks Julie for these conversations. I appreciated learning about you and your outlook. Take care.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Yes, maybe I am Randy, but I am confident of what I believe in with God Jehovah and his son Jesus. It doesn't matter what you think like you told me above. But, take care and thanks for telling me your beliefs.

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      Gaybrilla Debord 4 years ago from Palm Springs

      wow, you picked a good one for lots of comments, lol. I grew up as a Witness so I am very familiar and have written papers in the past for school projects. No wonder we "click" on Facebook.

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      Ohhh, Gaybrilla so glad you came on here hahahahaa this has been a tough day hahhaaa God sent you to help reprieve me. I am soooo tired. Thanks so much for commenting and coming on here. I knew there was something special about you. That's so great that you wrote papers for school projects, that is how this one started as an essay for College Eng II.

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      Jeani 4 years ago

      Nancy, I think you are beating a dead horse! As you know the bible said that people would acquire teachers to tickle their ears ( tell them what they want to hear ) the bible is the truth. Jesus is Gods son, and he did what his father sent him to do. Preach about the Kingdom to come and destroy all mankind kingdoms, ( governments ) People want to live the way they want to, and are mostly debauched lives. Sinners get angry when their toes are stepped on so to speak, and try to compensate by believing outrageous tales. You continue telling the truth. Mankind will soon find out about the true God and its not going to be pretty!

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      Nancy C Moores 4 years ago

      So true Jeani that is the truth, it will not be pretty. I like knowing how things are going to be so that I can be ready. We have to look in the mirror so to say, and see who the real person is, and what changes we need to make personally. Even if we think we are a good person, and do good things there is usually something that needs to be made better. Thank you for commenting.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      lol. That's hilarious.

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