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What possessed Jared Lee Loughner to kill? Pt2

Updated on January 31, 2011

Christiana Greene, one of the victims born on 9-11


The only “evidence” that Loughner was mentally ill was what other people have said and their opinions as well as the media. It is irresponsible to brand someone mentally ill without a psychological assessment of the accused.

I am not a psychiatrist but I do know someone does get branded mentally ill way too easily, the media being a lot to blame, with the result that myths and stigmas get attached to those who really are mentally ill or people who aren’t but people think they are because of their misconceptions. Here are a few points to consider:

The effects of stigma and discrimination lead to people to avoid socialising, working and employing those with mental illnesses, according to the President’s New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, especially those with more severe ones like schizophrenia. That, in turn, would turn them into recluses and even discourage people from seeking medical health should they have a mental illness themselves.

In fact, with schizophrenia, a person is just way too disorganized to execute multi-step acts of violence and premeditate the crime, according to “Over at Psychology Today”, Ira Rosofsky, in his works “Don’t Jump The Gun On Diagnosing The Arizona Shooter.”

In fact, schizophrenias like to be alone and only get violent when their personal space is being threatened.

Mental Health America reported that according to a survey taken for the Screen Actors Guild, characters who play the role of someone who is mentally ill is depicted as the most violent type of person in society. This is turn makes most citizens believe people with mental illnesses are dangerous. In fact, numerous studies have shown that crimes by people with psychiatric problems are over-reported with gross inaccuracies, which gives a false impression of risk.

According to the Institute of Medicine, studies have shown that the link between mental illnesses and violence is small and violence committed by mentally ill people in these cases also have other risk factors involved such as substance abuse, a victim of physical abuse and other stress factors. Loughner’s father is reported to be a very aggressive man. Loughner himself abused alcohol and drugs.


  • "Research has shown that the vast majority of people who are violent do not suffer from mental illnesses (American Psychiatric Association, 1994)."
  • ". . . [T]he absolute risk of violence among the mentally ill as a group is still very small and . . . only a small proportion of the violence in our society can be attributed to persons who are mentally ill (Mulvey, 1994)."

Mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims rather than the perpetrators of violent crime. Studies as the North Caroline State University and Duke University discovered that those with severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar or psychosis or more than 2 times likely to be attacked or mugged by the general population. Only 1 in 20 violent crimes are perpetrated by those with severe mental illnesses.

A 1999 Secret Services study of 83 people who had made assassination attempts against public figures in America revealed that only one third had very received a mental health evaluation and less that one fifth had been actually diagnoses with having a mental illness or behaviour disorder before the attack.

Miniature altar with human skull replica in backyard tent at Jared Lee Loughner's home.


Another explanation to why Loughner killed is that he was demonically possessed or mind-controlled, issues which the mainstream media wouldn’t dare to delve into. I thought about these possibilities because it had been reported that Loughner was practising the occult. He had built a Black Magick Ritual scene in his backyard with a skull and altar. According to Satanists, this ritual scene is set up with the intent to place a “killing spell” on an enemy. It has been reported that Loughner was in contact with Giffords since about 2007. He described her as “fake”. The animosity only got worse when he felt disrespected by Giffords when he felt she didn’t give him a sufficient explanation to a question he posted. Reportedly, the “thank you” note from Giffords’ office was found in the Loughner’s safe along with notes such as “Die Cops” and “Die Bitch”. Another handwritten note by Loughner revealed that he “planned ahead” and that the killings were his “assassination”.

It appears that Loughner had a problem with women in general, having being rejected by the opposite sex many times. Loughner could even have made a sexual proposition to Giffords as there seemed to be some sort of relationship between them. Bizarrely, she had subscribed to his Youtube channel.

Gabrielle Giffords' Youtube channel


The numbers involved also got my attention. In Paganism, all objects, planets or ideas are assigned numbers. Late 19th century Satanist, W Wynn Wescott explains:

"The followers of Pythagoras ... referred every object, planet, man, idea, and essence to some number or other, in a way which to most moderns must seem curious and mystical in the highest degree. 'The numerals of Pythagoras', says Porphyry, who lived about 300 A.D., 'were hieroglyphic symbols, by means whereof he explained all ideas concerning the nature of things', and the same [numeric] method of explaining the secrets of nature is once again being insisted upon in the new revelation of the 'Secret Doctrine', by H.P. Blavatsky. 'Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony -- in its broad sense, spiritually as well as physically considered, to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers begins with the Great First Cause, the One, and ends only with the nought or zero -- symbol of the infinite and boundless universe'." [The Occult Power of Numbers, W.WynnWestcott, p. 15.]

When I heard that a nine year old girl was killed and was born on the 11th September, 2001, I was intrigued as well as obviously dismayed. The number 11 and 9 are very powerful numbers in the occult and most likely were significant in this case.


William Wynn Wescott, one of the original organizers of the Golden Dawn, explains the number eleven in his book, “Numbers: Their Occult Powers and Mystic Virtue”

“Upon the Number Eleven. This seems to have been the type of number with a evil reputation among all peoples. The Kabbalists contrasted it with the perfection of the Decad, (10) and just as the Sephirotic number is the form of all good things, so eleven is the essence of all that is sinful, harmful and imperfect; with the Ten Sephiroth they contrasted the Eleven Averse Sephiroth, symbols of destruction, violence, defeat, and death.”

Aleister Crowley wrote,

“Firstly”, 11 is the number of Magick in itself. It is therefore suitable to all types of operation. ”Secondly”, it is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon. As it is written in the Book of the Law: …11, as all their numbers who are of us.”

Remember Loughner’s black magick ritual?

In Numerology, 11 is not reduced to a single digit. It is a power number. It represents the vision. The number 22 represents the vision with the actions. It is noteworthy to add that Loughner was 22 years old. The number 33 offers guidance to the world. Therefore 11, 22 and 33 represent a triangle, the triangle of enlightenment and illumination.

The number 11 is also the number of magic or sorcery. The individual is in confrontation with the world and the demonic realm.

Loughner opened fire at 10:11 am. Add 1+0 and you get 111 that the time represents. Coincidentally enough, the number of days left in the year after 9-11 were 111. Tucson has a junction with state Highway 77 which is a power number of 11 (11x7). Highway 77 is also known as Oracle Rd, an oracle being related to the occult. It is a form of divination. Crowley wrote of the number 77:

“…sublime and supreme septenary in its mature magical manifestation through matter…written in Hebrew Ayin Zayin (OZ)…Capricornus, the Devil of the Tarot


Pagans in ancient Greece revered the number 9 because it symbolizes the 9 Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnenosyne, who influenced man’s activities on earth. There names were Calliope, Clio, Erato, Euterpe, Melpomene, Polyhymnia, Terpsichore, Thalia, Urania.

The Etruscans from North West Italy also worshipped nine gods, nine being a holy number in Rome. According to Texe Marrs, "the Romans honored the goddess Nundina by holding a purification ceremony for male infants on their ninth day of life. In addition, every ninth year the Romans held a feast in memory of the dead."

In order for Loughner to have known to shoot a young girl, whom he had never met, because of her birth-date, it would have been necessary for him to have been mind-controlled. This is a topic he himself had brought up in the past:

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."

A posting on Loughner's Youtube channel

According to Wescott in his book, “Numbers: Their Occult Power and Mystic Virtues”, the number 9 holds great significance in Masonic orders and secret societies.

He said, "There is a Masonic order of Nine Elected Knights in which nine roses, nine lights, and nine knocks are used." In fact the number nine is the number of "the earth under evil influences."

I think it is worth mentioning how the numbers 9 and 11 related to 9-11, the terror attacks committed on September 11th 2001, and the birth date of one of the victims:

  • The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
  • Each building had 110 stories.
  • After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
  • September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
  • 119 is the area code for Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11,911 - 119 are opposites - enemies?
    11 11 polarity.
  • TwinTowers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.
  • State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
  • "New York City" has 11 letters.
  • "Afghanistan" - 11 letters.
  • "The Pentagon" - 11 letters.
  • "RamziYousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993).
  • Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
  • Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard.

· The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.

· Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.

Salvia divinorum


It has been reported that Loughner experienced lucid dreaming. When one has a lucid dream, they realize they are dreaming. The dreamer then gets full control of the dream where they can dictate the plot. Certain drugs, like Salvia Divinorum, used by the shamans, can induce lucid dreaming. This is the drug that Loughner was using. Salvia is a plant of the mint family that grows in the sub-tropical forests of Mexico. It is legal in 44 US states and illegal, or has legal restrictions, in over 20 countries.


Salvia contained Salvinorin A, the most powerful hallucinogen known to science. Unlike other mind altering drugs, it is not an alkaloid. The leaves are chewed and absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth, but can also be smoked or placed under the tongue in the form of a purified tincture of Savinorin-A.

The effects of Salvia are powerful and virtually instant. The trip lasts for only about a few minutes. It induced a feeling of an out of body experience. One undergoes a lucid dream state, something Loughner often spoke about. People report seeing spirit guides and this presence is so strong that it has even been given a name: “Sally” or “the Goddess”.

In my opinion, there appears to be three possibilities why Loughner killed. He could have been either possessed by demons, lucid dreaming under the very powerful drug Salvia divinorum or mind controlled. However, I tend to believe it is all three. Drugs and the occult is just a recipe for disaster. What I do know what the most unlikely scenario is and that is him being mentally ill. Perfectly sane people can appear to be mentally ill under the influence of drugs.

I think the advantages the Global Elite reaped from this whole tragedy are that tougher gun laws can be imposed and conspiracy theorists are being seen as mentally ill. I think the end goal is to outlaw both guns and conspiracy-theorising with the premise it is a form of hate speech and abets terrorism.

Is Jared Lee Loughner mentally ill?

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    • Claire Evans profile imageAUTHOR

      Claire Evans 

      7 years ago from South Africa

      As a precaution to what? I don't understand what you mean by that. How could subscribing to Loughner's channel be an act of precaution? Would you please give me the link where you got this information?

      I'm sure you'd also be able to concede that because you aren't a psychiatrist, you can't say for sure he is mentally ill. Yet so many people claim he is without any psychiatric qualifications whatsoever. Their perception of what is mentally ill comes from the media. He could have been mind controlled. That's a strong possibility.

      There is also a difference between mental illness and insanity. There is no way that any defence team could enter a plea of insanity. It is extremely hard to win a case like that especially since he showed mens rea. He even apologised on myspace page.

    • vrajavala profile image


      7 years ago from Port St. Lucie

      Gifford's aide subscribed to Loughner's channel after the shooting, probably as a precaution. If you notice Gifford was only subscribed to one other channel, Rep Ike Skeleton. I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to diagnose his ailment. However, his "obsession" with Gifford started in 2007. I'm sure his defense team is going to have plenty of psychiatrists who will give us their professional evaluation.

      However, because he murdered federal employees, the "insanity" plea may not get him out of the death penalty.

    • Claire Evans profile imageAUTHOR

      Claire Evans 

      7 years ago from South Africa

      Also, what mental illness do you think he has?

    • Claire Evans profile imageAUTHOR

      Claire Evans 

      7 years ago from South Africa

      Yes, you are correct, Salvia has been banned in 6 states. I will correct that. My source was outdated.

      Holding a gun in one's underpants is not a sign of mental illness. It is wrong to brand someone mentally ill without concrete evidence. The mentally ill bear the repercussions of that. What Loughner did was not concrete evidence that he was mentally ill.

      Why on earth would one of Gifford's aides subscribe to Loughner's channel? That doesn't make sense at all! It's not like Giffords gave any consent to that if what you said is true. Surely the aide would have realised that people would assume it's her? It's pointless because now Gifford's account is unsubscribed to Loughner's account.

      People can decide for themselves looking at this link.

    • vrajavala profile image


      7 years ago from Port St. Lucie

      No one is stigmatizing Loughner, by saying that he was mentally ill. He also used a substance called Savia, that has been banned in several states. Brett's law in Delaware named after an honor student who, after using Salvia divinorum, committed suicide.

      Did you see the video he took the night before in his underpants with a gun?

      It has been confirmed that after the shooting, one of Rep Gifford's aides subscribed to Loughner's youtube channel, not before.


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