ArtsAutosBooksBusinessEducationEntertainmentFamilyFashionFoodGamesGenderHealthHolidaysHomeHubPagesPersonal FinancePetsPoliticsReligionSportsTechnologyTravel

Why I left the institutional church for the Organic Expression

Updated on September 27, 2011
This is not an attack on the church this is lightning striking a building. The church is not the building. It is the people, not shown in this picture!
This is not an attack on the church this is lightning striking a building. The church is not the building. It is the people, not shown in this picture! | Source
  1. I want to explain, I love the Godhead,which is The Holy Trinity, The Father, Son(Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit( the Comforter). I believe that Jesus died for my sins and that he rose again the third day. I believe in the Scriptures, God's final say, His living Word that points a person to Jesus, and the answer to our sin problem and our communication fix to problems with God and fellow man and woman. I believe that God created the world in six literal 24 hour days. and rested on a 7th literal 24 hour day. I believe that by faith in Jesus finished work on the cross.

Why I left institutional Church to join the organic church.

  1. My name is Greg. Once upon a time I was a missionary who crash landed into a local church building. We spent nine years working in this congregation. Our desire was to assist and help in any way that was possible. Our primary mission was to help the youth group and to help the church with evangelism outreach. When we joined the institutional church we came to help the people like servants. We stated that we did not come to take over or become the pastors or youth pastor, but to maintain evangelism outreach and event planning. We had several years of good times, but the assembly of people that we were with few didn’t like the mission board we served with. As a matter of fact most people liked what we did, but did not like the non-profit organization that made us and what we represented Upon leaving the location we were very clear in stating that leaving a building is not leaving Jesus Christ, We are still members of his body.
  2. The women are seen as trouble makers waiting to happen. Any woman that was courageous enough to see, and speak against the ritualistic hypocrisy and not see Christ magnified there in the church (like a warning light for spiritual things) was vilified. They were told that as being the “weaker vessel” they had no place to speak or be heard in the church. Unless singing a solo or in congregation song, but never to be hear from in an instructional method. Sharing a testimony is permissible. Where in the scriptures was sharing a testimony ever exalted. Sunday school for little kids but once the kid grew beyond 12 or 13 they needed sole instruction from the men of the congregation. I think back to the Lord who clearly told Mary Magdalene to go tell the disciples and PETER that he has risen from the dead. The first commission. Where God tells a human to go do something for him and she does it!

  3. I left the church building, because we (my wife and I) were used as weapons to hurt other believers in leadership. This was brought to our attention only in hind sight. When we left to go work in another Church assembly there we placed for the same purpose but decided to help the people to become leaders and to function together instead of competing with them for power. This was frowned upon and desired purpose of the leaders was to maintain their absolute rule over the people to which we could no longer be part of. The story they told the people was not the same story that was shared with us. The out cry of the congregation against the pastor who planned and plotted in secret was not only silenced by the pastor but later the people continued to have him as their pastor and gave him a raise!

  4. I love Jesus Christ with all my heart. From the time I was old enough to know that he is worthy of all of my life, I desired to be in ministry, for the Lord opened my heart and many doors for me to go through. However, once I found out the many political mindset and alliances that are available at church, I didn’t want anything more to do with it.
  5. You are what you think. God gifts every member of the body of Christ. When you are not using your gifts, you are in fact is stealing from God. Majority rely upon the pastors of the churches to be the anchor for their spiritual lives. That by going to church on any given day makes a person more spiritual and right with God. It does not. Many members think that if the pastor sees me there I am under the blessing of God, since the pastor determines faithfulness. Walking with the Lord is the definition of faithfulness.

  6. The major emphasis in the churches is often in support and recognition of its clergy and those with titled positions over all other gifts. Once I learned that every Christian is clergy and we all are joint-heirs brothers and sisters in Christ; I had to leave it. Though, it is not taught that clergy rule the laity, it is heavily implied and frowned upon if challenged and made an example against if you persist. Eventually the entire congregation will look at you as a heretic and seek to dispel anything you may say as being bitter.

  7. The real responsibility of the church body is that we are to follow the examples of brothers and sister who have gone before us, not their multiple commandments of them. Paul and the apostles used a persuasive, urging the brothers and sisters to act, not forcing them to act. They had no authority in and of themselves. We are to submit one to another.

  8. There was a political system designed and designated to keep the people limited. If any person deviated from the view of the pastor/elder/teacher they could be considered bitter, insubordinate, rebellious, dangerous and finally a heretic. The pastor used his pulpit as a platform to preach hidden messages to the people. Those who knew what he was doing became offended, would address the pastor, and be told that they need to submit to his authority. The pastor has never publicly apologized for any wrong done from the pulpit of wood.

  9. Too often, more focus is placed on the building’s needs, specific times and days for gathering, specific dress codes and clergy salaries than on the needs of the surrounding poor, the hurting inside the building and the troubles of others believers around the world.

  10. The entire reason we are even existing as Christians is to be like Christ, little Christ’s changing the world. Not little pastors or little “favorite authors”. Allowing the power of God to move us direct us shape is and mold us to help restore fix and mend the broken hearted.

  11. Those who are hurt in need of care are vilified with such tremendous scrutiny that they are afraid ever to ask again for help. As if any help is only once for the asking, then “you’d better get better or it’s tough luck.”

  12. Transformation: the people boast of transformed lives and transformed relationships, but not following biblical procedures for dealing with sin, restoration, dealing with issues, helping one another, there is too much of the current human condition of sin is in focus. We should no longer be regarding anyone according to the flesh.

  13. Jesus said call no one master, teacher. But pastors are calling themselves teachers. And we should call them that too. A servant of the Lord has humility in his walk and in his steps.The gentiles lord their authority over you.

  14. Where does the office of the pastor come from? There is no biblical support in the New Testament for such a t. Pastors/Shepherds-teaching are something that we all are able to do.

  15. When confronted about a spiritual matter the person confronting may be seen as the trouble maker.

  16. We were tired of all the misrepresented scriptures about how when challenged, your experience does not matter, only for what is written in the Scriptures, but then when it comes to understanding where there is clergy salaries and paying of the pastors is important because the bible application in culture has changed from ancient Greece.

More to follow.
I love the people of God and I love his word. I love leadership and encouraging people to become what you are so that they are not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, but i am very upset about the current state of affairs, and will work against the establish machine for the organic one. I know that this can be seen as crazy because when you fight the system you'd better have a better system, because people usually fall into the lowest common denominator, cult or retreat back to the institutional church, if they cannot find complete sufficiency in Christ alone. Fellowship is important but walking with the Lord personally all week long, makes fellowship times much better.


    0 of 8192 characters used
    Post Comment
    • gvalenoae777 profile imageAUTHOR


      9 years ago from NYC

      Dear Penny.

      We have much more to share with you. Find me on Facebook. we should meet this weekend with my family.

    • profile image

      Penny Holgate 

      9 years ago

      I've found this article very encouraging.It is something I had gone through.I spoke my opinion for which I got in trouble.Therefore the people call the pastor.And told on what I've said.I felt hurt angry and betrayed.I saw a situation to which it was offensive to me.I took a stand for it.But people felt I was judgmental.


    This website uses cookies

    As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

    For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at:

    Show Details
    HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
    LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
    Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
    AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
    HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
    HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
    Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
    CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
    Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the or domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
    Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
    Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
    Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
    Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
    Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
    VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
    PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
    Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
    MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
    Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
    Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
    Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
    Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
    ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
    Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
    ClickscoThis is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy)