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Why do we resist being wrong?

Updated on October 1, 2012

Is Mosaic Law still valid?

How do we really know what a sin is any more, if Jesus really did away with "the Law"? Jesus fulfills the law, and the prophets, but even Jesus said that he didn't come to change the law, in the book of Matthew, chapter 5, verse 17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

But what do we really get from Paul's letters? What is the basis for his argument against "the Law"? Do we really even understand Paul's reasoning? If Jesus died, so that the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect, then what need does any person need to call upon Jesus as Savior, if there is no more sin? Eating shellfish really isn't an abomination to God, I mean come on, right? Having a pound of bacon in the morning isn't really a sin, is it? Isn't it all just food, anyway?

Well, yes and no. Yes, it is just a food. But no, we're not supposed to eat it. God said it was bad for our health, as these creatures are strictly forbidden in the Old Testament dietary "Laws". He wasn't trying to be a tyrant, He was protecting us from harming our bodies with filter feeders and scavengers. Eating oysters raw is very popular, but very dangerous since it is done while eating them raw. Many people die from eating this uncooked meat, and still, we try to justify it to ourselves on why it's okay to do. Have you ever really considered, that it was never really "okay" to do? It doesn't matter that people get sick from eating any other kind of food, that doesn't make eating what God said not to eat, suddenly okay. Jesus died for a pepperoni pizza? A ham and cheese sandwich? Jesus didn't die so you could gorge yourself on fine swine and lobster tails.

So from this "perspective" that Jesus' fulfilling the law somehow nullifies it, I think would be in error. This would mean that if the Old Testament Laws were done away with, then there is no sin, and no way to determine if someone has committed a sin!

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Hypocrisy.

Who are you? The judge of me? Oh yeah, me too. I've thought about that, concerning a great many people in my life. Turns out, some of them were only trying to warn me. But the general impression I got by looking at how they lived their own lies, cried out in hypocrisy. What do I need this "Jesus" guy for, if Christians sin all the time?

It really turned me off from religion. But I held on to the promises in the bible, because I love the sound of "going home!"

Paul was writing from a Jew's perspective, who was extremely well-versed in "The Law". He had the whole thing memorized, basically. This is why a great many Jews reject all of humanity's Savior, because people were lying about what Paul said! So why did Paul basically talk about breaking the laws, to a bunch of other Jews? Of course it would be easy for a Mosaic Law-abiding Jew to basically say: Look fellas, another one of those "Christ-men" again! Come to say the Law is no longer valid!

Well, to know what the heck the two were arguing about in the first place, is to look beyond the flesh. The root of the problem: To deny one of the Laws as being sin, is to deny that Jesus said none of the law is changed or abolished. So why argue about what sin actually was or even is today? If you say the Law is no more, who is drawing the lines as to which laws are still in effect, and which are not? Have we become the Pharisees, and are not any better than biblical lawyers?

Look beyond the flesh. You have a soul, and that is the real you, not that flesh and blood body. We sin because we don't want to think that we're sinners. We became comfortable enough in our salvation with Christ, (or maybe because we pretend God doesn't exist), to condemn others for things that may not have been their fault. Nothing is what it appears to be. Paul was illustrating their sins, by showing them their hypocrisy, just as many young-adults see in today's churches. It waters down the Word of God, and people become disinterested with the message of why we need salvation in the first place: Law is a burden while in the flesh... But sin is the burden of the soul. So if a sin is a transgression of the Law, we literally die without Jesus to forgive us. Physically we are buried in the ground or ashes scattered to the wind, but the "lake of fire" is the second death, mentioned through out the book of Revelation. It is the death of the soul, and is final. Through Jesus' anointing blood, our spiritual sins that would otherwise condemn us to a spiritual death for fleshy sins, are forgiven!

Paul said that sin comes from within, and not necessarily because of what only appears to be a sin in the flesh. Paul was saying that sins from within, is what becomes most natural for us to justify our own behavior with. Paul never said the law was dead, no, for the law is reborn in Jesus on the day of His resurrection. The Word of God is, for all intents and purposes, "The Law". Jesus was the Word made flesh, and was completion of the OT Law: An epic end for all sacrifices and blood rituals, through the death of a truly sinless man. No longer do we seek forgiveness of sins by a sacrifice, that farmers would profit for high-yields in the temples and courts of the kings in Israel who taxed it. Jesus said he would end sacrifices, and 40 years after His death it did cease in 70 AD when the temple at Jerusalem was destroyed. The Islamic "Dome of the Rock" now sits where that once stood, which will be another topic later on.

The Menorah of the 2nd Temple being carried away by Rome, 70 AD.
The Menorah of the 2nd Temple being carried away by Rome, 70 AD. | Source

Are we rejecting God?

"And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." - 1st Samuel, chapter 8, verse 7. (King James Version used exclusively, www.biblegateway.com, and I'll explain why "KJV only" at a later date).

Are we really saying that because we have this "Jesus" we supposedly worship, close in our lips but far removed from our hearts, that we don't need "the whole Law" anymore? To know what a sin is, and what it isn't, is now defined by our own understanding of things? How could we say if anyone is a sinner or not, if we can't even define what our own sins are?

Well guess what, the bible does define sin: It is a transgression of the Law (1st John, chapter 3, verse 4)! We also see this sentiment expressed by no other than Paul himself, a supposed denier of "The Law", wrote this in Romans chapter 6:

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

He's basically rebutting the Jews of his time with this letter to the Romans. "They're telling you I'm doing away with the Law, but it isn't true. Stop sinning!"

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

What the heck is Paul talking about? What does this have to do with sinning? Absolutely nothing, which is exactly my point. But people quote the following verses out of context all the time. The point Paul was trying to make, is that while we are in the flesh body, we are separated from God, because we can only sin while in the flesh. It isn't until we die and are in Heaven, in a spiritual body instead of a physical one, that we are no longer bound by sins of the flesh. That is what being "born again" means -- To die in the flesh, and resurrected in the spirit. You can read it all yourself from verse 4 on down to 14, with many on-line bibles, in Romans chapter 6. For brevity, we'll skip to verse 14:

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

They give you that verse, not knowing the context, and conveniently ignore the very next verse!

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

The only thing Paul was trying to tell us, was that God judges us by our hearts, by our intent. But many a "Protestant" goes along with Catholic holidays, not knowing their pagan origins, even going so far as that it "doesn't matter" when we celebrate the birth-day anniversary of the LORD. I've argued this plenty of times as best I can, on many forums and chat rooms, without sounding like I am trying to attack anyone personally... But this is often times the curse of text-only. Sadly, I can not adequately convey in mere text the meaning of what I want to convey, and the urgency of the message is regarded as hostility.

Why do we celebrate Jesus' birthday in the wrong month? If Protestantism really teaches "Sola Scriptura", why don't we practice it, too? Last time I checked, Christ celebrated the Passover, which is a biblical holiday, and not "Christmas".

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The spiritual meaning is so much more important!

Passover is so much more than simply a Jewish holiday ("Holy Day"), it is part of God's cosmic plan to save all of humankind. It is a much better story than just plain Babylonian paganism, in the story of "Christmas". Because keeping the holidays that God prescribed for us, is part of that Mosaic Law.

In my next writing, I will post my reasons for not celebrating "Christmas" and "Easter". But for now, the topic is still, "Why do we resist being wrong?"

Quite a question. Why do we resist being wrong? What in us, compels us to deny that we're sinners while still in the flesh body? It is not a question to stun your senses and make it sound like I am trying to be "holier than thou" -- No! I'm just telling you that Paul was saying that we're not "born again" until we are physically dead. Don't be complacent that because you have Jesus, you can't die at any moment.

We resist being wrong, because we don't think ourselves sinners, and in doing so change "The Law" to suit our own selfish needs.

Jesus forgives the woman of adultery.
Jesus forgives the woman of adultery. | Source

Forgiveness is the answer to "The Law".

This is what Paul was saying: Don't get complacent in your Salvation with Jesus, who rebuked the Jews for being hypocritical of The Law, that we Christians do without laws. We became our own judges, and rewrote the law according to whichever interpretation we like. Whatever our tickling ears want to hear, they will cater to us. The Jews of Jesus' time did it with traditions and rabbis, and Christians are doing it with pagan traditions and holidays, plus taking scripture out of context to support it. This is why the churches are so divided! They all want the power and glory. Only "their church" is right. Does this make me right? No, this makes God right, and us wrong.

That is not to say that going to church is evil, which I will also address in later writings, but there is a lot of hypocrisy in the churches of this world. They're run by corruptible humans, just like you and I. Don't trust them, trust God. You have a direct relationship with God, through Jesus the Messiah, and all you have to do is knock at the door. He'll open it for you, because He loves you. Don't be so proud to think you don't need Him. If you're reading about Jesus for the first time, I hope and pray that you accept Him into your heart.

If you already have Jesus in your heart, then repent; because unless you were born of a virgin, I don't think you're fooling anyone but yourself. You can't possibly keep the whole of the Law, but that's the point: You're not perfect. He isn't asking you do much, except drop your traditions and what you learn in church, and just trust what He said. You're already forgiven, basically. Just admit you don't know, and ask Him for knowledge, because He will answer a prayer which results in you getting to know Him in a more personal way. Church and religion is supposed to be more than just a simple list of "Do's" and "Don'ts", and yet we squander it trying to find faults with each other!

Jesus did forgive us of our sins, but He also told us to "Go, and sin no more." (John chapter 8, verse 11). He is our "Passover"!

I pray in Jesus' precious name, may God bless you -- Amen ("Let it be so!").

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Hendrika,

      I know it's hard to accept, but Christmas was instituted by no other than the Roman-pagan Emperor, Constantine. Shortly after he claimed the title Pontifex Maximus, he "converted" to Christianity in order to salvage his empire. It was first celebrated, as far as historical records show, on December 25th of 325 AD.

      I would HIGHLY recommend you watch the "Know Your Enemy" series done by The Fuel Project. It's a long series, but broken down into segments. I watched all 11 hours of the thing in one day. I was hooked! I loved it! I think you might, too.

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      Judah's Daughter,

      Amen! Always glad to see your commentary! :)

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      So, Christians simply made unholy celebrations holy, yet they practice the same unholy things the pagans did beforehand! Did the birth of Christ have anything to do with bringing trees into your home and decking them with silver and gold?

      Jer 10:3-4 "For the customs of the peoples are delusion; Because it is wood cut from the forest, The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool. They decorate it with silver and with gold; They fasten it with nails and with hammers So that it will not totter."

      How about the 40 days of 'Lent' just before 'Easter'? That all has to do with the pagan worship of Tammuz, the son of Ishtar (pronounced Easter) and Nimrod, who had impregnated her as the sun god. Ishtar is also called the "Queen of Heaven" to whom cakes were baked. Now, the idol of Mary is called the "Queen of Heaven". And speaking of pork, they kill a wild pig and eat it, as ham is the traditional meal for Easter. Ham was never eaten by God's people and lamb was served at the Passover meal. Replacing the lamb with ham...why can't they 'see'?

      Eze 8:14-15 "Then He brought me to the entrance of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and behold, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz. He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? Yet you will see still greater abominations than these."

      Jer 10:2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen"

      Deut 12:30-31 "beware that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?' "You shall not BEHAVE thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods..."

      Pretty CLEAR. Are we to ignore the Law and the Prophets? No. Though we are not under the Law, in that we are not made righteous by it, the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ (Gal 3:24). His laws bring life and are for our good. He made it clear that these pagan practices are an abomination and detestable to Him, so anyone who claims to love God, but continues to participate in the pagan practices of the 'world' are 'honoring Him with their lips, while their hearts are far from Him.' (Isa 29:13; Mat 15:8)

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      Hendrika 5 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

      It is true that some of the holidays of Christians are on the day of pagan ones. This is not by accident or hypocrisy or anything, it is simply that the Christians started celebrating them on those days as opposed to the pagans to show them "you have your pagan holidays, we will replace them with Christians ones."

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      if GOD is for you...who or what can stand against you...provided you are right with GOD. i think we pretty much understand each other. with that, i shall take myself off to bed. good night my brother. take care and GOD be with you always.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Shake the dust from your feet, and move on. There are others out there that need saving, and you can't save them all, let alone just one. Only God does the saving, so speak your peace and move on. Never give up on them, if they come back to you, but don't keep trying to do it your way.

      I was in the Army for 7 years, and I can tell you that when you are challenged with the reality of life, you become bold. I learned from the drill sergeants and the military structure, of how and why people are appointed to positions of power, and why respect and obedience to them is vital for its functioning.

      Being in God's army is much the same way. Though I never let go of the message of love to people, I don't play footsie with them in an attempt to win them over with my charms and good nature. (Hah! I know, right?)

      Spare the rod and spoil the child. Sometimes you gotta rebuke it, and call it out for what it is, so that they enter into a dialogue with you about it. You have Jesus, and you don't need to fear making enemies of people for your faith in God.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      as i said in your other hub...there was never a time when i did not know GOD/CHRIST. i do not know what it is like to be on the outside looking in so to speak. there is much i dont understand about what keeps people from believing. i normally have much empathy for the problems of people, but i have great difficulties understanding why they reject GOD. I do know GOD gives strong delusion to believe a lie for those who choose to reject HIM. for some they will never believe in HIM and will always be blinded because they rejected HIM. but for those who are undecided and who have not chosen one way or the other, there is still a chance. if you have read any of my hubs on GOD, perhaps you might get a better understanding of my position where HE is concerned. do not feel i am judging you for your passion. i am not. i agree with where you are coming from. i understand it. i only caution you to not strive or argue. we can be witnesses better if we do so without arguing. the moment we begin to argue we lose. no matter how passionate or right we may be.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      I'm mostly humble, and I do admit when I am wrong and apologize.

      I'll tell you why I am so passionate about this, though:

      The real holidays are easier to teach our children, if we start them off with the real thing. What do most parents tell their kids about Christmas? My parents, as good as they were, never talked to me much about biblical things. I knew plenty of Christians growing up who didn't know why we celebrated Christmas. I know, because I asked them about these kinds of things. I was interested, but got no answers. It left me kind of disinterested with the bible, and I kind of think it is all like that for a reason.

      I didn't see this powerful Jesus figure that the bible talked about (as I do now), because none of what I thought were biblical holidays reflected that message. So when I got a little older, and learned that these traditions were of pagan origin, I outright rejected Christianity. I could not reconcile how a God so bent on keeping us from worshiping idols and false gods, is celebrated on pagan holidays!

      I know this is a big issue for a lot of people out there, who reject the Word because of this, because I used to be that guy. This is why I am so passionate about it. People who would otherwise believe are turned off by this seemingly hypocritical, spiritual gesture. They want to believe, but can't for many number of reasons. My story is one of those reasons.

      Please take it into consideration. I don't think I'm asking much, am I?

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      ceegan...we walk a fine line between our passion and our obedience. i know i have been there. forums are especially hard for me. i try to reach people with what i know and understand, and some of them truly want to know...but some only want to mock and twist and pull you into an argument. sometimes i see it coming and will back out in time. sometimes i dont see it coming and find i have been drawn into an argument. then i must shut down. even if it makes me look like i am the one losing the argument. it is more important not to strive over words. they are not interested in knowing the truth anyway. GOD doesnt need me to defend HIM. i refuse to defend my beliefs. so in all honesty there is no reason for me to argue. if someone wants to know i am most happy to share. but i refuse to throw my pearls to the swine. or throw truth to those who would trample it. so continue to share with all the passion that is in you. it is good to do so. let GOD be your guide, when to speak and when to keep quiet. and the message you gave me about comfort...i learned as a child...i learned that GOD will hug you when you need it. i just wanted to share that with you.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Yes, it is between God and them. I do my part, and say what I believe. I'm just passionate about the issue, and only want to share it with people. I'm not trying to be abrasive.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      well, i have to say the whole idea gives me a sick feeling inside, no matter how you look at it. as far as i am concerned, man changed certain holy days...so if we observe them, regardless of what we tell ourselves, we are declaring that we put man before GOD. this is of course my own understanding and i do not insist others see it my way. how they see it is between GOD and them. but that is how i see it.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      I know what you mean, this web page seems buggy or something. I can't even see the "reply" button to any of these posts until after I post a comment. It is really frustrating.

      I know about the other aspect of Jeremiah 10, but it still stands as a testament of making idols for ourselves. What the heck does a "Christmas tree" have to do with the story of Jesus? Where did we get this tradition of decorating a tree?

      The same church system that instituted Christmas, also came up with the idea of the Christmas tree. I don't trust the source of these ideas, along with a bad feeling about the sun worship it represents. I just don't look at it the same way anymore.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      ceegan, i would have liked to tell you this in a private message but i could not find a way to send you one...the verse you quotes, it had nothing to do with christmas trees...it was speaking about making false gods...idols. it was speaking of how such idols are made of wood covered in gold and silver but must be moved about by hand of man or made to stand fast but of themselves have no power to stand or move or have breath...only GOD has breath or power and can speak or move.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      GuardedMouth,

      Read Jeremiah 10:1-5. In the KJV, at least, they describe something very interesting. God said to not follow the customs of the "heathen", and cut a tree out of the forest, and deck it with silver and gold. That sounds a lot like a "Christmas" tree. God said not to do it, right?

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      tlmcgaa70,

      I'm not forcing anyone to read this, dear. :)

      If people keep responding, I'll keep doing so as well. I'm fairly passionate about this subject. I just like sharing the deeper meaning of the biblical holidays.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      GOD tells us not to strive over words. ceegan, you feel you should bring such things to the attention of others. you have done so. it is up to the others to accept or reject this information. if they reject it...it is then between them and GOD. wash your hands of it. GM...you have been told how ceegan feels...you have chosen to reject the information, you feel it is still not a sin. this is now between GOD and you. there is now therefore no longer a reason to discuss it. no longer a reason to strive over it.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Rebuking is "An expression of sharp disapproval or criticism." If you can prove that giving gifts to one another, eating a big meal, putting up a tree, and dressing in red and green on Dec 25 is sinful, then you will have rebuked me with the scripture. Until you can prove that it is wrong to do those things, with scripture, then you shouldn't be trying to rebuke me. Your placing restrictions on something that God did not.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Judgment is not the same as rebuke and reproof.

      As Christians, we are supposed to keep each other spiritually healthy. I don't care if anyone eats pork or shellfish, but the holidays are more than just important.

      Like I said, I will go into this in further detail at a later date.

      God bless ya.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Absolutley Ceegen! I understand exactly what your getting at. But the question at hand is simply, does it matter then, what day I decide to feast and exchange gifts? If I choose to do it on the 24th instead of the 25th would that be more appropriate? But I just want you to realize, that just like you said it no longer resembles what it once was. Christmas, at one point, was a terrible paganistic holiday. Does the worship of a false god take place on this day today? Possibly, but I don't do that. It's just like in Romans 14, when certain people wouldn't eat any meat because of the probability that it originated from idol worship. What did Paul say?

      "I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean." Romans 14:14, NASB.

      There is nothing sinful about celebrating a holiday that originated from idol worship, as long as I'm not worshipping an idol or doing anything sinful. I know that those pagan gods do not exist, and that there is one Lord.

      You on the other hand are convinced that it is "unclean" to celebrate these holidays. And that is quite fine. If you would come to my house on December 25th, I would not celebrate in front of you, for you conscience sake (Romans 14:21).

      However, I realize nothing sinful is taking place. So as long as I don't do anything that would cause the holiday to be sinful, you shouldn't pass judgement on me for that. (Romans 14:10)

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      I'd like to just agree with you to settle the issue... But celebrating a holiday that means nothing, seems pointless in itself.

      This would be like the United States arbitrarily moving our day of independance to "May Day" (celebrated by Communists, even), and saying that July 4th doesn't matter any more. Then later on down the road in history, the reasons for this or that get blurred in the passage of time, and people FORGET why July 4th is so important. It becomes a different holiday, entirely. It no longer resembles what it once was, and instead of celebrating independance, we celebrate slavery.

      This is exactly what happened to "Christmas"!

      Don't be lukewarm. Be "on fire" for God! Don't back down and don't be afraid.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Ceegen, I absolutley understand where you are coming from. You are frustrated on the fact that certain people who claim to be Christians have taken paganistic holidays and tried to turn them into Christian holidays. I believe that celebrating in holiday in Christ's name is sin, because he never authorized it.

      But the fact of the matter is, nothing sinful is being done when we celebrate Christmas or Easter (as long as none of it has to do with Christianity!)

      Do I have freedom to eat with my family and give gifts? Does God call this sin? Absolutley not! We all understand that. No worship of any false god takes place when I do those things. So how is it sinful, because at one point in time some people did worship a false god on the same day I'm eating and excanging gifts? I'm just wanting you to see that there's nothing sinful involved in these holidays, as long as I don't make it sinful by putting Christianity in the picture.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Yeah, there is something wrong with celebrating those holidays, in any aspect or way of doing it.

      If you knew the origins of the holidays, I am sure you wouldn't still celebrate them at all. They are truly disgusting holidays, and if you still celebrate them after knowing what they stand for, then God help ya... Because I can't make you see it my way. I can't force you to not celebrate those days.

      Colossians 2:16 does NOT say you can celebrate secular or pagan holidays. All it is saying, is that we are not to regard people who do or do not celebrate the BIBLICAL holidays. Celebrating the Holy Days of God in the outward apearance of things, matters very little to God. But you should at least know why these holidays are so important.

      I encourage you to wait until you read the rest of the series before coming to a final decision on this. I'm actually at college right now, and don't have a lot of time left to write a whole hub about it before my next class.

      Anyway, God bless.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Jesus celebrated Passover because he was born under the law. He would have had to partake of Passover to be sinless.

      We are not, nor will we ever be, under the Old Law.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      What I'm trying to get across is that nothing is being done in the name of Christ when I celebrate Christmas and Easter. None of it has anything to do with my savior, but it does have everything to do with family. I guess it would be more appropriate to say it this way : I celebrate X-mas and Egg Hunting Day. But there's nothing wrong with me calling them Christmas and Easter.

      Colossians 2:16 points out the fact that I can celebrate secular holidays, but I shouldn't be judged for doing so, and I shouldn't judge you for not doing so.

      I SHOULD be judged If I choose to celebrate a religious Holiday, because religious holidays are not authorized under the New Testament.

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      GuardedMouth, I really need to write parts 2 and 3, so you understand where I am coming from. But to simplify things for you, listen up for just a second:

      Jesus celebrated the Passover. Why?

      You argue against the truth in vain, friend. "Christmas" and "Easter" are a part of the "mystery" religions, from Mystery Babylon, the "woman of ill-repute" who rides the beast of Revelation. I will get into that very topic in a progression of this series, but I can assure you it is not a benign affair. It's just straight Babylonian paganism, and it is for a reason.

      "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" - 1st Peter, chapter 5, verse 8.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      tlmcgaa70:

      I do not approve of any religious holidays God never approved of any of them in the NT. But God does allow for us to celebrate any holiday as long as we don't act like it's something he commanded. Let me give you an example:

      Christmas to me has nothing to do with Christ. There's nothing wrong with taking time to celebrate time with family and eat. Christmas and Easter, to me, are not religious holidays. I do know people in my area who do not celebrate Christmas though (even as a secular holiday), because they think it sends the wrong message even if we do do it as a non-religious holiday. So I don't send a Christmas card as to not cause them to stumble.

      The point I'm making is that God didn't tell anyone under the new covenant to celebrate these days. God allowed freedom on this subject, but God doesn't expect us to choose one or the other. God commanded the nation of Israel to observe these feasts, and no one else. Those who were under the Patriarchal law did not have to keep these feasts like those under the Mosiacal law did.

      I'm not saying it's wrong to celebrate any of those days (as long as none of it interferes with the Law of Christ) But it is wrong as to celebrate something in God's name without His authority. We have no authority to celebrate any Holiday as a religious Holiday. If I want to celebrate a secular Holiday (as Passover, and others now are) then I am free to do so. Understand what I'm getting at now?

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Absolutely, tlmcgaa70!

      First, I would like to comment on something you said earlier in your post: "the mark in the forhead is our thoughts...the mark on the hand indicates our actions." - ABSOLUTELY! I've been saying that for years now. It's not some silly tatoo or microchip. That wouldn't deceive anyone! It'd be obvious! Don't look to the outward appearance of things, look for the spiritual meaning.

      Anyway,

      That is the point I am trying to get accross to people, about the holidays, any way I can. It often times seems like I am accusing people of paganism, and I really am not. I don't want to accuse anyone. But if God didn't say anything about celebrating "Christmas", then why do we do it?!?!

      Yeah, sure, you don't have to keep the fests, since that is only the outward appearance of things... But if we're going to celebrate any "Holy Days", why not celebrate the ones God told us to? Who cares if they're "Jewish" holidays? Jesus was a Jew!

      God bless ya'll.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      whoa...i thought by your post before mine GM that you understood the importance of NOT celebrating ANY festival/holiday/Holy day unless it is approved by GOD. many people use that passage about not letting anyone judge you you for what you eat or drink or what holy days you regard in order to do what pleases them rather than what pleases GOD. if we love GOD then we live to please HIM. pleasing GOD means obeying HIM. no we arent perfect but we can strive to be perfect. i am of the belief there are certain things that are important....that show our loyalty. like choosing to observe Saturday Sabbath. like choosing to refrain from mans holidays when they replace GODs Holy days. i believe these are part of the mark of the beast. the mark in the forhead is our thoughts...the mark on the hand indicates our actions. so what we think and what we do tells if we have accepted the mark of the beast or not.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Let me put it this way.

      "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or new moon or a Sabbath day -things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17, NASB.

      If you want to celebrate Passover as a secular holiday then go ahead. But I will not, and it doesn't matter either way. The requirement to celebrate those holidays ended when the Law was nailed to the cross.

      "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." Colossians 2:14, NASB.

      So if you decide to celebrate those holidays, fine. I will not be celebrating them. But you need to realize that if you do celebrate them, it doesn't show faithfulness to God, nor honor Him in any way. If you choose to do so, you will have to understand that what you are celebrating is a purely secular holiday, which you are doing just because you want to, and not because it is required of you. But the cool thing is God gave us freedom in this area. We can choose whether we want to or not, and it doesn't matter to Him if we choose one or the other.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Don't get me wrong, I think the Jewish holidays are very interesting. But Christians aren't under the Old Law anymore. So it raises the question, do we have any authorization under the New covenant to celebrate holidays that were under the Old Covenant?

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      How is wanting to celebrate God's holidays, as per the bible, wanting to do it my own way?

      The spiritual aspect and implication of the biblical (some say "Jewish") holidays, are simply astounding.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      I celebrate Christmas as nothing more as a time to give presents, that is basically it. (Of course there's food, tree, etc). Same for Easter (Food, eggs in the yard for the kids, etc). The issue with these holidays is, where is there one religious holiday in the New Testament that God commands us to celebrate? Some may say Passover and the others that were in the Old Testament, but we aren't under the Old Testament anymore.

      "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." Romans 7:6, NASB.

      There are no religious holidays that God authorized in the New Testament. How can people say they're honoring God when they're putting their own desires over God's authority?

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      If you're going to celebrate a holiday, why not celebrate it on the right date?

      There is a reason for all this confusion, and are we really so complacent in our salvation, to think that we can't be deceived because we have Jesus?

      I don't deny anyone that calls upon the name of the Lord, but He warned us of the "stumbling blocks" of paganism within the church. God judged Israel, and sent them into captivity and hardship several times for their sun worship. Solomon had many wives and concubines, but God judged the nation of Israel not for that, but for sun worship.

      Paul had to constantly remind the new churches in Asia and Europe to refrain from sinning, and turning back to their pagan ways. How far away are we from that original church which Paul was talking about?

      God certainly didn't say we should make up new "holidays" to replace His. All Jesus was telling us, is that observing the customs is important, only in how it relates to the story of Jesus in the first place. We celebrate our freedom in Christ, every day, and those holidays are a reminder of why we're free.

      So if you have time to spend setting up decorations, and putting up a "Christmas tree", and wrapping presents, and planning to have family over months in advance... You have time to learn about why the real biblical holidays are so important.

      God bless.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      GuardedMouth...beautifully said. just because "christians" changed the meaning of pagan holidays doesnt make them acceptable. we are warned ...

      24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

      25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

      26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

      we know the pope changed GODs Holy Sabbath from Sathurday to Sunday...does this make it right? does this mean GOD approves the change? no HE does not. little by little at least in the USA, the laws that were based on GODs laws are being done away with. those who seek GODs will above mans or their own must seek always to obey GOD above man. never worry what man will do for obeying GOD first, for GOD will take care of you. ceegan...awesome hub, i look forward to reading your other hub as well...and you have an new follower.

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      Zain Charkawi 5 years ago from El Reno, OK

      Christmas and Easter were never commanded to be celebrated as religious holidays. Colossians 3:17 tells us "All that you do, do in the name of Christ." I have to have authority from the Lord before I act. We have a pretty clear picture of what happened to Nadab and Abihu when they chose to "offer something which the Lord did not command" in Leviticus 10:1-3. "Then Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, each took his censer and put fire in it, put incense on it, and offered profane fire before the Lord, which He had not commanded them. So fire went out from the Lord and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. And Moses said to Aaron, “This is what the Lord spoke, saying: ‘By those who come near Me I must be regarded as holy; And before all the people I must be glorified.’”So Aaron held his peace."

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Ah dang it, I messed up again, but decided not to delete this. Still getting the hang of the controls for this place, I can't seem to go back and edit something. I apologize.

      In that third paragraph, last sentence, last part of the sentence; it should read: "or refrain from eating it all the time and show them a better example to live by?"

      I say this, and for one reason only: It gets people you befriend to ask you about your religion. They start to wonder why you do certain things, or refrain from eating certain foods. They become interested and ask more questions. It's a great way to witness to people!

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      James 5 years ago from Maine, USA

      Don't worry about harshness. I'm kind of hard to get upset over just words.

      "Interesting article. I just wanted to respond to a few things you said. Holidays such as Christmas may have started out as pagan holidays, but Christians have changed the holiday's original meaning, for it to now be a celebration of Christ coming to earth. Customs of weddings and funerals have pagan origins as well. Even our U.S. currency has symbols of paganism in it! But that doesn't make it a sin to use money."

      Yes we are to be able to sit down and eat with a person of a different cultural background, and eat their food without offending them, but does that mean we should eat it all the time, and show them a better example to live by?

      The people who hate religion in today's day and age, do so because they SEE the blatant paganism in the church.

      I will be addressing this very issue in a day or so when I have spare time to put something together. I hope at that time, your questions will be answered.

      God bless and thanks for reading.

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      Logos831 5 years ago from somewhere, ca

      Hi ceegen,

      Interesting article. I just wanted to respond to a few things you said. Holidays such as Christmas may have started out as pagan holidays, but Christians have changed the holiday's original meaning, for it to now be a celebration of Christ coming to earth. Customs of weddings and funerals have pagan origins as well. Even our U.S. currency has symbols of paganism in it! But that doesn't make it a sin to use money.

      In the same way that Paul talked about it being fine to eat meat that was used in offerings to other gods (1 Cor.10). We have historically taken wicked things and turned them to good in order to praise God. I don't see what is wrong or sinful about that. As Jesus said, When you strain at a gnat, you swallow a camel. It seems to me, by condemning Christians and making a big deal about our celebration of Christmas and Easter, you are doing the same thing the Pharisees did. Trying to follow God's Word in a legalistic manner and missing the whole point of why we celebrate these holidays to begin with. In the same way that the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus by calling out when he healed people on the Sabbath. He was doing something good and righteous and so are we when we uplift, remember, meditate, and praise God for his sacrifice and our need for Him on Easter and Christmas.

      With regards to the Mosaic shellfish, and dietary restrictions, you are mixing the Mosaic Law (which was only for the Jews) with the universal, moral laws that Jesus restated in the New Testament. Why then in the NT, does Paul not mention, ever, for believers to be required to keep these dietary restrictions still? In fact, he frequently speaks against Christians that argue we are under the Old Covenant.

      It's not something we were intended or have to do now. The reason why God had the Israelites not eat certain foods in the OT, was to SEPERATE the Jews from the heathen cultures of their time. It was a way to make the Jews "weird" to other cultures, so they would be a seperate people, who would have identifying quirks to their culture that would make them easily recognizable to other cultures. We are not the Israelites, and since Jesus came, He paid our sins for us, He did not tell us to become Jews. We are not bound to the Mosaic cultural laws.

      Anyway, hope I didn't come off harsh, just wanted to put my 2 cents in.