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Why the Bible is Immoral

Updated on October 12, 2013
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Introduction - Cherry-Picking

Many people, mainly Christians, feel that the Bible is the most superior platform from which people should derive their morals. This is partly because most bible thumpers have been inculcated by their religious leaders to believe this and don't actually read the bible themselves. They listen to the watered-down, cherry-picked version of their holy book, relying only on what the guy wearing a nice suit and a big, friendly smile says. And this cut and edited version of christian teachings is what is disseminated to the masses all around the world. If people would stop going to church and actually read the bible for themselves there would be a lot less christian dogma being spewed on street corners and television, because the bible is the most immoral piece of literature to ever be written down. This article won't address every instance of immorality in the bible, since they seem to be nearly innumerable, but it will bring forth what I feel are the more heinous teachings and acts that were committed, but are conveniently covered up and ultimately omitted out of the sermons in the church. The bible is immoral, and I will prove it.

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Slavery

Do you think that slavery or owning another person as property is wrong? If you said yes, then congratulations, you are morally superior to the Judeo-christian god, because not only does He condone slavery, there are specific instructions on how they are to be treated in the bible. If you said no, then you need to go hang yourself.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The passage above clearly states that people can be owned and sold as property. Even passed down through the generations, as long as they survive the beatings, which I will get to in a second.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

The third sentence of the above passage explains that if the slave marries after he becomes owned, then on the seventh year he will be set free, but not his wife. Likewise with the fifth sentence about the wife and children having to stay with the master. But if the slave who is to be freed decides to stay a slave for the sake of being with his family, he may do so, but he will no longer be eligible for parole. Understand that this is for male hebrew slaves. Lets see what the bible says about female slaves.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So technically speaking, a man can have as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds, clothes, and sleeps with them. Not a bad deal for a sex addict I suppose, but isn't this type of behavior frowned upon by Christian fundamentalists?

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Seriously? It's okay to beat your slave to death as long as they survive for "a day or two"? And again, the above passage clearly states that slaves are considered property. And if you're one of those sick-minded individuals that think it's okay to own another person as property, then you have mental issues and need to see a doctor. And I know there may be several Christians out there reading this say some nonsense about these coming from the Old Testament and they no longer follow those laws, but let's ask Jesus, shall we?

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Respect and fear? Where's the love?

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

So even if the slave did something that he didn't know was wrong, he still gets punished. That's the Messiah talking there, nice role model. Not!

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Genocide, Infanticide, and More Murder

If beating and killing one or two people wasn't enough, Yahweh goes a few steps further. If you count up all the deaths caused by maniacal mass murderers such as Stalin or Hitler, God makes their crimes look like misdemeanors. It's no wonder so many bible thumpers walk around as if they are terrified by simply hearing or seeing something that doesn't please God, because they are taught that the punishment is death. Here are a few examples of what lands someone on death row:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

For those of you who go door to door trying to spread the word of God, but merit only a slammed door in the face, this passage is telling you to kill those people.

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

C'mon, really? What teenager hasn't done this at least once? Not sure about you, but I know some people don't have the greatest parents and it's hard not to curse them. Please understand that not everyone has a perfect life or parents that spoil them. And honestly, some parents shouldn't be parents.

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Burned to death!? That's a little over the top if you ask me.

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And again for the folks that go knockin'.

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

So I guess we know why natural disasters happen. All because Jerry was a Hindu!!

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Yeah, that's seriously in the bible.

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

This is a common passage. It almost sounds like some religious extremist wrote it and is about to commit an act of terrorism.

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Now, this is just sick. And it's kind of a double whammy. Not only does God tell the soldiers to kill everyone, including children, but to also rape the women.

There are many more examples of atrocities such as these occurring in the bible and I encourage anyone who isn't convinced of the astounding immorality of the Judeo-Christian God to investigate more.

But That's the Old Testament

I get this a lot when I bring these things up to anyone in the Christian community. They dismiss everything in the OT because the core of their beliefs come from the New Testament. But what they fail to realize, since thinking seems to be so hard for them, is that the Ten Commandments are in the OT, but they seem to live their lives, at least say they do, by the Decalogue. Is getting a tattoo a sin? Do you think eating pork or shellfish is a hell-worthy trespass? More than likely if you're a Christian you said yes to the first question and no the second. But according to the Bible the answer to both questions is yes. And there isn't a single instance in the NT where any of the 600+ laws in the OT were nullified.

Sin

Christians also believe that we have all inherited the sins of Adam and Eve, which begs the question of how Jesus could have been without sin since we are all born sinners in the first place. So since it is impossible to be without sin, we are terrorized with threats of being sent to hell for all eternity for something that wasn't even our fault. But since the Bible essentially defines "sin" as being human, the feeble minded are tortured with fear and guilt up until the day they die. People are threatened to spend an infinite amount of time in hell for such finite crimes. And to think, a lot of the people who go around preaching God's word are against the death penalty when their dogma clearly supports unjust punishment. And not only that, but how can an all merciful God be so heartless as to send someone to hell forever for committing such trivial crimes? I guess that's biblical justice for you. But then again, mercy and justice contradict each other. Someone cannot be merciful and just, because any amount of justice if nullified by any amount of mercy, because mercy is a suspension of justice. God is pretty much a contradiction of himself.

Although they aren't actually listed in the Bible, I'm going to briefly talk about the Seven Deadly Sins.

Let's list them:

Lust

Gluttony

Greed

Sloth

Wrath

Envy

Pride

Notice how all those are common human traits? Even though Christ came to earth to forgive people of their sins, the church wants you to think that you have to keep asking for forgiveness, and the only way to be a good Christian is to go to church and give some of your money (though in the NT there isn't any specified amount that is required, but rather just what you can give. But the language used is clearly meant to make you feel guilty if you don't give).

I find it funny how it's a sin to be jealous when in Exodus 20:4-5, God admits to being jealous. I guess that means God is a sinner.

And let's face it, if there wasn't any lust in the world, there wouldn't be anyone alive to believe in God.

I hope by this point you understand that "sin" is a flawed concept. If not, feel free to leave a comment and maybe I can clear it up for you.

One more thing I'd like to address in this section is one of the biggest problems with Christianity. The bible sets up irrational and unobtainable expectations to which to live your life then, through the "sacrifice" of Christ, it creates loophole so you never have to live up to those expectations. I'd imagine that an omniscient and omnipotent god could think of a better way to forgive people, after all, he created the rules in the first place! What's sickens me about it is that god knows all things, he even knew we would sin and people would turn away, yet he blames us anyway. He's a sick bastard that just likes to see people burn.

I put sacrifice in quotes because the death of Christ wasn't really a sacrifice, because when something is sacrificed it is lost forever. Christ (God) came to earth from heaven, did his business, was sacrificed (killed), then went back to heaven. Nothing was lost, nothing was sacrificed.

Does Might Equal Right?

There's one more thing I'd like to address briefly in this article: the idea that might equals right. By that I mean, in terms of Judeo-christian theology, is that just because God is on the throne, then he must be the good guy. If you read anything above, you'd know by now that God isn't someone we'd want as a neighbor. And just because, according to the bible, God made us doesn't mean He's a good guy; He pretty much just killed His creation whenever He felt like it. Still people blame the pain and suffering endured by humans on the devil. If you hear anyone say that something terrible happening is the devil's fault, you know right then that they haven't read the bible, for in the bible Satan can't do anything without God's permission! Let's take the story of Job for example. Satan tells God that Job is only faithful because he's wealthy and has a good life. So Satan asks God if he can test Job's faith. God gives Satan the green light but tells him that Job isn't to be killed.

And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. (Book of Job 1:2 KJV)

This passage is simply to illustrate that Job was doing pretty well in life.

Talking to God about Job

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. (Job 1:9-12)

Here, Satan insinuates that Job is only faithful to God because he was living a wealthy life. So God took the bet and told Satan that he could do whatever he wanted to Job, he just wasn't allowed to kill him. The story continues with Satan inflicting a LOT of pain and suffering upon Job, even killing his family, to test Job's faith. In the end, Job stays true to God and is rewarded with more than what he had before. The point is, God didn't have to let Satan inflict so much pain (it wasn't pretty) on Job since God already knew what Job would do. In my opinion, Satan won this debacle because God could have easily ignore Satan and his accusations, but gave in and got God to allow untold torment to be done to poor Job.

The point here is that God is responsible for all the terrible acts in the bible. If one guy in a city is worshiping another idol, then God kills the entire city. God grants Satan the power to inflict harm on the earth's inhabitants. Not one instance in the bible does Satan hurt someone without gaining God's approval first. Divine approval, however, isn't always sought by Satan if he is simply tempting someone, such as Eve and Jesus. After all, talking doesn't hurt anyone.

I honestly feel, if Satan and God did exist, that Satan would be the good side of the force. Satan encourages free thinking and enjoying life. We only get one shot here on earth, unless reincarnation is a real thing, so why not enjoy it rather than spending it under the burden of guilt and fear? I feel as long as you don't hurt anyone, you should be able to do what you want. I don't see why God would create us just to live a life of fear and guilt to only die in the end. If He wanted us in heaven, why didn't he just put us there in the first place? Why create us at all? We're here to live, let's enjoy it.

Conclusion

This is where I leave you fellow readers to your own devices. Hopefully, if this article doesn't change your mind that the Bible is the epitome of all that is moral, then it should have provoked enough curiosity to further your own reading. There really is no need to search the internet for literature or videos with content similar to this article, you just need to read the bible. I used to be a christian, then I took it upon myself to read the word of God. After that I knew the protagonists weren't worthy of worship, even if they could be proven to exist. Logic soon took the place of my former gullibility instilled by Christianity. The bible has been a hindrance to humanity since it was fabricated. Just an FYI, nowhere in the bible does God instruct any body to write a bible. The bible was pieced together several decades after Jesus died, with only certain writings being admitted while others omitted. The bible that is read now is a cut and edited translation of translations intended to arrest the minds of its readers.

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Well dang, I deleted the whole comment now I have to start over again.

      Well very interesting article, not only interesting but funny the way you worded some things. I really had to laugh.

      First of all I do believe in God and the bible as God has led me to different passages in his bible. He did not tell them to write a bible but he did tell his disciples to write everything he told them on tablets.

      Anyway to stay on topic at hand...the slavery I cannot figure out, however it was different back then just as sacrificing animals was ok back then. Today all that would be against the law. God made the laws then and made the world so I guess its justified.

      Now the parts that made me laugh were

      1. That's the Messiah talking there, nice role model. Not!

      2. If you read anything above, you'd know by now that God isn't someone we'd want as a neighbor (this is the funniest)

      3. He pretty much just killed His creation whenever He felt like it.

      4. All because Jerry was a Hindu!! (however I do not know who Jerry is)

      5. This is a common passage. It almost sounds like some religious extremist wrote it and is about to commit an act of terrorism.

      Yep it makes me laugh these parts.

      As for God giving in to Satan, I do not think God gave in, I think it was a test for Satan, you are right God only allows anyone to go as far as God decides. He can put thoughts into our heads and he has for me many a time.

      As for God being jealous can't say I blame him. He created the world, the rules and the people. No one gives him credit, hence why I believe he brings on such disasters lately as in the `sandy storm.

      Its like going to work and working overtime for hours on end and then someone else comes along takes the credit and the boss believes him. Would you not be upset if you couldn't be heard, the boss would not listen to you. Would you feel like taking revenge. Well God admits.....Don't repay vengeance is mine, I will repay.

      God was angered back then, I would say he actually has let humanity go to far or even get away with a lot now.

      The anger we see is about to come again. This is the wrath of God. I wrote a hub on it.

      God is merciful and just, he wants all to turn to love, however he is not going to allow someone to hurt the innocent without some form of punishment.

      He is justified in all he does, he did create the world and yes he can destroy it at any given moment I guess.

      Oh this part is funny too

      I don't see why God would create us just to live a life of fear and guilt to only die in the end. If He wanted us in heaven, why didn't he just put us there in the first place? Why create us at all? We're here to live, let's enjoy it.

      I don't say that if something bad happens its the devil, I believe that evil can be tempting that God tries to turn us away from evil, however I know darn straight that God inflicts pain and suffering, to the deserving evil doers.

      Another funny part but let's ask Jesus, shall we?

      This part too I had to laugh

      If one guy in a city is worshiping another idol, then God kills the entire city.

      Well I believe God is punishing everyday here on earth now, hence why some things do happen. A lot of people are scared to admit that there is such a thing as Gods wrath.

      I don't think his punishment now goes as far as what we read, however is anger is now provoked so there will be more killing of a whole cities for one person. (long story)

      Well thanks for the hub, its the first time I read something like this.

      With all that said, I just have to say I guess we better fear the Lord literally. Maybe a loss of a loved one or such is Gods punishment for something and some say why me why did God do this, well I do not think he did it, he gave us the tools to use to live abundantly and we used it for our own selfish purposes, so he punishes. Or if a child is taken yes I believe that it could be a punishment from God.

      However he has warned us over and over as you state

      Anyway have a good one

      Laurie

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Oh Hi again, just had to also say that I wanted to add in to my comment

      I guess we live with an Almighty powerful God who can do anything at anytime.

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Oh hey again

      You may get a kick out of the video I posted in my hub, ``In the hands of an angry God`

      It pretty much shows Gods anger as you have him here.

      Thanks

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Hey Laurie,

      Haha, thanks for the comments. I'm glad you seemed to enjoy the article even though it's clear you and I don't agree on the subject of God. I was kind of worried that someone would get offended by my hub and it's a relief that some people can share the same laughs with me. Anyway, I may have to edit or add something to this hub because I know the laws and rules to society were different back then, but the reason I wrote the hub is because a lot of Christians feel the bible should be the basis for our laws and morals. As I demonstrated in the hub, the moral foundation in the bible is clearly fallacious, and obviously the social rules outlined in the bible have no place in our society. With that said, I feel the bible is irrelevant today, and has been for decades, if not centuries.

      Now, for your claim that God is still punishing people, I want to ask you why He then bothers to send people to hell? I understand that there are denominations of Christianity that don't believe there is a hell, but they all have the Book of Revelation in their bibles. In Revelation, it states that all unworthy souls are sent to the lake of fire (obviously I am paraphrasing). With that said, our sins are finite, in both time and offense, but sinners are sent to the lake of fire for eternity at the end of Revelation. So God, with all His power and patience, can't endure our sinful nature for such a trivial amount of time that He has to punish us now and send us to hell?

      I touched on this in my hub, but you brought it up again in your comment about God being merciful and just. Well, that's just impossible. Any amount of justice becomes voided with even the slightest amount of mercy, because as I said, mercy is a suspension of justice.

      I also reject your assertion that God causes natural disasters as a punishment when you referenced the part of my hub about God destroying entire cities because of one man (btw, "Jerry" is just a made up name, lol), because no matter how religious the general populace is, one man can bring on Judgement Day for that area in the form of a catastrophic hurricane or other disaster. I used to think the same way when I was a theist, so I know where you're coming from. But as a free thinker, not only does it not make sense and not fit with the nature of God, it is absurdly unfair.

      Well, my mind is wandering a little now so I'll end it here. I feel that everyone is free to believe what they want, what I fear is that more people are going to try to instill their religious beliefs into the government to where we are all affected by them. And I seriously want to mitigate the amount of recruits that the Westboro Baptist Church gets.

      Take care.

      Steven

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      HI, well first of all let me say that I don't really go to church as I do believe that now a lot of them are money making greedy false prophets.

      Also if we look around we see that many priests and churches have been getting a bad name.

      Last but not least, many people go to church worship God but its just a pretense. They go there hoping God will answer their prayers and be stupid enough to think God doesn't know the truth. Or they worship others (a false God) along with pretending to worship God.

      Well it may seem unfair to you that God is unfair but in his defense I don't think so. I think for 2000 years he has done nothing but be patient and wait around and watch.

      We turned his universe into a battling field and he has every right to send whatever disaster he wants. I still believe that we are living the seven signs of the apocalypse. I am not really saying God causes disasters, however he may shift our climate a bit out of control and the rest takes care of itself. I believe this is a warning sign.

      New York losing power was not a coincidence, there was a reason for it and I believe that its God`s way of making a statement.

      I actually do not believe in coincidences.

      As for the entire city part because of one man, reason being that I know of and it has to do with a false prophet.

      I don't know if you are applying that you think I was once an atheist, or if I just reading it wrong as I was never an atheist, however I do believe that the punishment we suffer here on earth hardly compares to what those will suffer on judgment day. (except for the chosen evildoers)

      We cannot live on earth if we didn't have punishment. Sex offenders may be led to their resting place, by God, we don't know if that isn't so.

      There are many chosen people, even on this hub, that leave messages through God and write very interesting hubs on the subject.

      However we must be able to spot a false prophet and if you know God and his word, one will have no problem.

      However everyone has a right to their own opinion, like you said, free will, whatever one believes is right to them so no one has the right to change your mind, or pressure you.

      God is just yes but I truly believe he is not happy with everyone, he is angered with the wicked everyday.

      I believe what I believe not what I read or hear from someone who went to a church that preaches false teachings.

      I think it is very hypocritical of anyone that goes to church then walks out and commits idolatry or any other crime.

      They are blasphemy the name of God and insulting his intelligence.

      Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with going to church, it is a good way to praise God if you stand behind God and believe in his word and worship this Church faithfully.

      Like anything you believe in, you must walk the walk and talk the talk.

      Its like abortions, you can't go out and say you don't believe in them and next week you are scheduled to have one.

      You then become a different person in the eyes of everyone, but the truth always prevails.

      Can I ask you something.

      Just in general is there anyone who you see fit to worship, if you believe in worshiping someone else. By that I mean a performer, a teacher, a priest and if so why.

      Laurie

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      Porshadoxus 4 years ago from the straight and narrow way

      From where would you suggest we derive our moral standards?

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      In response to Porshadoxus:

      People are social creatures. We know that we can't survive as a species if we don't help each other. With that said, I get my morals from a rational understanding of reality and the consequences of my actions. By that I mean that what I do has a direct effect on those around me, and I am directly affected by the actions of those around me. And in order for our species to further itself we need to get along.

      In response to Rayne123:

      First of all, I thinks hypocrites are the worst.

      Second, you seem to have a very extreme sense of the bible. By that I mean I've only met a few people who believe that God is causing natural disasters because, despite His endless love and patience, He's angry with us and wants us dead. For the most part, it seems that Christians have moved passed this thinking. Who makes the cut? Is there a raffle or something? How does God decide when enough is enough? There's no warning, He just snaps and wipes out entire populations for something as insignificant as the "wicked deeds" of one person. And it hardly seems fair that those celebrating Mardis Gras are targeted by God's wrath but Gary Ridgeway evades God's wrath long enough to kill between 50 and 90 people. That seems a little more serious than intoxicated people throwing beads at each other.

      Lastly, I don't feel that anyone is worthy of worship. Maybe someone can be considered a role model, but to say worship implies devotion because of because of some form of divinity. When it gets to the point of worship, your mind becomes highly susceptible to their actions. Obviously, good things they do are accepted and appreciated, but then when this person does something wrong, then the minds of the worshipers automatically reject the idea that who they are worshiping is bad, and then move on to justify those wrong things. So now, the person being worshiped no longer has to answer for their actions because his/her followers will do that for them. And as long as this person of worship remains hidden, it almost completely eliminates any chance that they will be directly confronted by someone who doesn't worship them to answer for whatever morally wrong act they had committed against society.

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      Kiss andTales 4 years ago

      to Rayme 123 I do appreciate your pure ness of the truth , And you are correct about hipocricy of worship ! Many are doing it there way ,Not the true way God outline, the outline is set out before us to follow, yet there is always people that make an excuse for the way they do it and think it is acceptable to God almighty , really there are humans who require more in there own relationships with humans , honesty ,faithfulness, and a clean and willing heart to love in trueness, But instead their worship has been misleading to the point they think God is accepting it on his end , did Cain's way of worship please God almighty, No ! God declined his gift of worship , showing us the motions of giving worship ,all is not accepted just because we give it ,his heart was not right he killed his broth able.if you really read his word , it makes it very clear , idols worship, adulterers , fornicators ,and men who lie with men. 1Corinthians 6:9-10 or greedy persons Will have any part in God's new earth, under his new Government, and surly With the true God it is impossible for him to lie , it is written from his own words , So that does not mean that we can not make the needed changes of these degrading habits, many have and they really do not miss them, it is written that is what you where ,you have been made clean , and you have washed your robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb! Meaning you recognize that Jesus sacrifice paid your way into the future paradise under his new rulership from heaven., God has allowed the truth to exist as we'll as false religion, he is looking for sincer hearted persons , and he will allow himself to be found! The bible says you will know the truth and the truth will set you free, set free from what! The empire of false religion , yes many will be caught in false religion when the end of this system is destroyed , Our responsibility is to be sure of the truth that is pleasing to him who gives life , the truth of God and his son will never be welcome by all ,based on those who use it for dishonest gain, why because they have a god too ,the same one who lied to Adam and Eve is still lying to many who invites it for there own life styles and gains ,but it will not save them in the end, God almighty has let the truth be found it is a precious treasure that they will not be able to have, it is written do not be misled , from him comes those words, I would love to show all scriptural account of every word, If you are upset about religion I know it is well understood by the True God ! But that does not mean we should deny him what he deserves as our Heavenly Father, satan would be so happy if you did nothing at all, who wants to make a man killer happy , he deceived Adam and Eve , yet we do not have to be deceived , we have help and the way of truth for those who really want it .they lost there hope to live happy forever, We have the same chance ,we just need to welcome the truth even if there is something we need to change, I know this is a lot of words but I am hoping you will find the truth worth fighting for. 2 Peter 3: 13 I hope to meet you there !

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Well you do bring up good points about worshiping someone. I really liked your answer.

      To "Kiss and Tales"

      Great post/comment. The truth does set you free and God more than once has said this in so many ways. God is truth.

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Oh by the way Odin seeker you made me laugh, when once again you said "he is angry with us and wants us dead"

      Almost sounds like you either fear him deadly or you do not believe in God at all because there is just no way he would do any of this in the way the bible states.

      However I really didn't say he "causes" the disasters or I didn't mean to word it like that I will say. I don't believe God wants us dead, well not all of us anyway lol

      What I mean is God is angered with the planet and like a thunder and fire that came upon Sodom and Gomorrah, he will strike if he sees fit.

      Well maybe I do mean that, however God will use what tools he sees are being used on earth. IF there is snowstorm he may send a bigger one, one that we may fear to some point. Hence the part of the states buried in knee deep snow, even higher that not one person as seen before.

      God uses "his" disasters and leads them to something bigger for us to "get it"

      I know a lot of people that are saying, "what is going on in this world" is the hands of God, is this close to the second coming.

      I believe this is all part of Gods "plan" .

      No one seems to get it, scientists always have a scientific approach to everything so they do not have to admit to it being one of those "unknown" mysterious.

      I do believe in Gods wrath. I look at the bible in the way I been led to and have this understanding different than anyone else for some reason. Well not for some reason its like "kiss and tale " stated

      The bible says you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

      The sinners will not find a place anywhere, here or in heaven.

      Oh can I give a piece of advise and maybe this is just me, I love to read but when it is crowed into one paragraph it makes it hard to read(for me anyway) it just seems so much longer, hence why I try to double space when I can.

      You do not have to , just thought that it would make it easier for the writer and the reader

      thanks

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      HI again

      I do agree with you that sometimes it does not seem fair, hence your part on the Mardi Gra incident.

      God does work in mysterious ways, ways that only God can know.

      Maybe he wiped out the city (if that was the case) for reasons unknow to us that go deeper than anyone could possibly imagine.

      Maybe this other guy was set up like that so he would fall in his own grave/hole.

      Like "kiss" stated God does things to lead an evildoer to his own truth before they are set free.

      We will never be able to stop God or justify what he does or doesn't do. We really have to deal with his laws. God works through his own laws, he is the only one with the power to punish to an extend we cannot even imagine.

      Have a good one Steve

      I enjoy reading this hub, for some reason I found it hilarious.

      I will read your other hubs

      thanks

      Laurie

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      cheaptrick 4 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      If,and that's a Big if,Jesus actually existed as a person,whatever he taught has been lost in the mists of time, translation,and corruption.There appears to have been some sort of wave in humanity's conscious evolution world wide during that time.There have been others since.Personification in myths is common;That probably is the case with the bible and Jesus as well...which does not negate the 'feel good' parts of it but serves to relegate it to the section of our libraries where it belongs...fiction.Fun read,thanks

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Thanks Laurie, I appreciate the respectfulness of your comments. I try to write with a bit of humor; makes reading more fun. And you're right, if God does exist there is nothing we can do about the things He does. I only have a couple hubs published since I only joined a recently, but you can expect more on various topics, not just God. Take care.

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Thanks for the advice, Laurie. I know what you mean by things being clumped together and being hard to read. I didn't really edit anything on the hub, I just proofread and corrected any punctual and grammatical errors I noticed. I'll definitely take your advice on board and apply it.

      For the rest of your comment, it's obvious to me that natural disasters aren't sending the message. Before people had an understanding about atmospheric phenomenon they would attribute it to some manifestation of a supreme being. Nowadays, we know that rainbows are the result of sunlight being refracted through raindrops, not some voodoo done by a divine deity. We know that earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates rubbing together, not the fury of the gods. We also know that Thor doesn't cause lightning storms. We understand these things because we have verified the causes. I would think that an omniscient being would understand this and would find a better way to warn us. He would know that his warnings, if that's what they are, have a scientific explanation. And even if these events had no explanation, it would be erroneous to even assume that they were the result of an angry god. One of the biggest problems I have with religion is that whenever there is a gap in understanding theists automatically insert God as the explanation without any demonstrable evidence that that is indeed the case and just leave it at that. If God wanted to warn us about anything, why not just flat out warn us? It seems He is setting us up for failure. He knows there are people that have a logical way of thinking who use critical thinking and reason to verify things about life. So why does He continue to hide from us? He knows what's in our hearts and minds and has created us a particular way, but then He goes about to punish us for being the way He made us. He seems to favor the ignorant and gullible while shunning the intelligent and insightful, even though He made us this way. If I get sent to hell for being the way I am, it's His fault, not mine. And if this is the case, He isn't worthy of worship in my opinion. That is not an all loving God.

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Sorry, I just put up a comment in response to this and I didn't follow your advice.

      I didn't realize my comment was so long.

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      Kiss andTales 4 years ago

      first when do someone like God who can give you life and take it away has to worry about people who are disrespectful, we really do not tolerate humans acting this way less known to say he has to answer to us! Do we say why has the sun set today , because I am tired of it ,the sun set rather you live here or not and the moon so really things have always exist before we where born, so your statement has no weight, you have a choice to believe as you wish, but if you went to court ant attacked the judge the sme way , there is consequences, if you doubt a situation never throw stones until you have full evidence !

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Yes I see that , you said thanks for the advice then you write another long paragraph lol, its all good

      Well I see where you are coming from, however most of us do not know if it is a sign from the heavens or not, however, God does explain in the bible what they are.

      However you do have to believe to accept right.

      I also see where you are coming from about God giving other signs straight up, not a sign he thinks will be scientifically researched. This is why he does things his way.

      There was a plague back in the day long long time ago. I watched the documentary, if I could find it I would leave you the link, anyway scientists go on to say that this so called black plague as been around forever.

      But they were mystified why back in the bible days it attacked and killed the firstborn sons of the families.

      God knowing that this would be the claim left his mark so as to mystify the researchers. He believes they should come together and weight the solutions. Brainstorm

      Just like the magicians in the bible, they duplicated what God did (which God did to test) however they could not duplicate the last power and that was the snakes eating the other ones. I guess they learn not to push his buttons. lol Maybe too late they learn

      I am pretty sure God gets his point across, he is a very knowing God. He can put thoughts in our head.

      Why he just doesn't tell us, I don't know, however God does speak to me and answers me in the way he knows I will understand. Everyone is different.

      There is a passage in the bible that states that there are no excuses to not have heard about or know of God. I have it on my hub "in the hands of an Angry God"

      In other words, if something is done and you are punished, you have no excuses. Just because something is unseen does not mean it is not in existence.

      I believe God leaves us with free will and in that case what we do is up to us, but eventually you will suffer the consequences.

      I get what you are saying and for someone that has the same feelings about God then your article is very well written.

      If our punishment just comes from being hunted down/caught, well we still suffer the consequences in the hands of the law. However God is fair when you think about it, as you say yourself, if he wants he can take these sinners and tear them to pieces.

      He knows they will dig their own trap and if not, he helps along.

      You will probably receive many comments soon, I don't think you mean to offend anyone, you are just stating your own opinion on the matter.

      Talk soon

      thanks

      Have a good day

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Kiss and Tales,

      I find it rather hilarious that you tell me to provide evidence when its the theists that cannot provide a single shred of evidence for their assertions about God! I have no idea what you were trying to say in your comment, but understand that the burden of proof lies with the claim. In other words, if you make a claim (God exists), then you have to provide evidence for that claim. It is not up to me to prove He doesn't exist.

      Laurie,

      Same thing, you're making all these claims about God in order to defend his heinous behavior, citing the bible as evidence. You can't do that.

      I know it's understood in the religious community that God works in ways we don't always understand, but He knows that there are people that reject the claims of God for the way they think.

      That's why I said He favors the ignorant and gullible because it's only those people that won't seek truth and just go with what they hear.

      How do you know that your religion is the right religion? How do you know the Hindus aren't right?

      You believe what you believe because you were inculcated to believe only certain things. Look at your faith with an objective point of view so you can properly judge its teachings.

      "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you'll understand why I dismiss yours." -Richard Dawkins

      And another great quote:

      “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.” -Richard Dawkins

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Richard

      I am not an atheists. I believe in God only. I believe in his works from my own personal experiences not only the bible.

      I do not go by any religion. I go by my own teachings and research and developing a close relationship to God.

      Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I am not saying anyone has to agree with me, this is what I feel in my heart.

      I am not here to change/wither anyones mind. As I will not be changed to a different understanding of what I believe in. I only have my proof that God exists, however the bible is very good proof and there are so many that say he doesn't exist yet the "Our Father" prayer is recited the world over.

      It seems that in times of troubles certain unbelievers turn to God. but he sees our hearts.

      Your quote is a good one, however there is nothing wrong with having faith at all. Maybe all the scientific research/answers lay solely on faith. We will never know.

      We can heal our own bodies with faith, the power of thinking

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      Kiss andTales 4 years ago

      Sorry but my last comment was not mention for Rayn123 that is why it does not make sense , it was ment for cheap trick. From now on I will address by name ,because some how on the forums your commit coms under a person you are not addressing,

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      Rayne123 4 years ago

      Oh ok I thought so, I was wondering there for a minute and yes I am not sure why you can't have a reply button right under everyone's name so one could make a comment to a certain person.

      thank you

      Laurie

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      Kiss andTales 4 years ago

      Ok ,I am just checking my messages and I notice the problem of my post again I really appreciate ,your comments and posts I am sorry about my response time, is delayed . Because I am writing during break time. Thanks for all who have given me replies, it help me to see how people really feel about this subject, I do not mind a reply I just can not respect people who do not respect their elders!

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Rayne,

      The bible cannot be used as proof of God, it can't even be used for any substantial evidence of His existence because the bible has yet to be proven as fact. Of all the events that take place in the bible, there is no historical account of any of it. I might just write a hub on this topic.

      Jesus is not a historical figure. If I remember correctly, there have only ever been three historians to ever mention someone called "Christ". However, "christ" is not a name, it's a title so they could have been talking about any number of historical figures. Unfortunately, we will never know because they only devote a few sentences to a "christ".

      One of those three writers has been proven to be a fraud for centuries. I will write a short hub on this, so any comments you have in response to this, please write them down and wait for the hub and we can address them there.

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      Kiss andTales 4 years ago

      To mr odinseeker First you as a human before all others is proof of being a man , you are not animal or ape! For one 1 the bible and no other book can explain the word man. Next the fact that this book of history have been preserved until our time has not changed in its message , many have tried to destroy it and can not , next history tells us about Alexander. The great. ,the bible has listed all world powers and they match up to our history books ,next the Jews exist and there. Family roots can still be traced back to Jesus of Nazareth . Next how do you explain the truth and meaning of the world powers that stand today , the book of Daniel tell of the image from head to toe that represented all world powers that had arise and fallen , we are at the feet of this image witch means the Anglo American world power Britain and the United States. , the images is knocked down , Daniel 2:44 , with a new Government taking over the In tire earth. As thy kingdom come , Gods will done on earth as is in heaven,

      All those who keep there eye on the things unseen with the eye ,knows what this mean. Because the things seen here now on earth the time is about up ,these Governments and power will no longer exist , the scriptures say that God would have to cut the days short on these Governments. Because no flesh would be saved. How did people who had no knowledge of nuclear power know ,that is what we are face with today , they did not know , only a higher source knew that this could happen , look up Babylon's history, look up the Queen of Sheba who visited Solomon, all accounts are written in the bible that match history books. And death ,is that not true also , Alexander the Great , and what about Pharaohs of long ago, the only thing that is fiction is your belief. We have proof in our history books.

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      Steven Banker 4 years ago from Fairfield, OH

      Kiss andtales,

      I don't mean to offend you, but I honestly cannot decipher what it is you are trying to tell me. Please, for the sake of the readers, proofread your comments before posting because I don't want to deny any comments.

      From what I gather from your comment it seems you disagree that the bible is not an accurate historical account of certain events.

      Just as I said earlier, I will write a hub in this topic. Please address it then as I don't want my hubs to turn into forums of discussion.

      I will tackle one thing you said: you say my belief is fiction? First of all, I need you to identify what belief you're talking about. Second, you need something to support your claim that my belief (whatever you think my belief is) is fiction.

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