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Is Barack Hussein Obama the Antichrist of the End Time ?

Updated on May 13, 2013

There are Four Important Characteristics of the Antichrist

The only place in the Holy Bible where the word"Antichrist" appears is in the epistles of John the Apostle.

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 Jn. 2:18-19)

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Antichrist." (2 Jn. 7)

Here are the four important characteristics of the Antichrist that we can learn from the above verses.

A. There are "many antichrists" and not just one as some modern-day eschatologists believe and teach.

B. The"antichrists" have already existed in the First Century.

C. The "antichrists" have left the Christian Church. They were never saved.

D. The "antichrist" is a great "deceiver".

"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also." (1 Jn. 2:22-23)

Historical Antichrists through the Ages

Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine (c. 285-337) He was an avid sun-worshiper, and when he converted to Christianity and joined the Catholic Church he brought in paganism at the same time. This is illustrated by the first law he enacted. "First Sunday Law enacted by Emperor Constantine in March, 321 A.D. Constantine convened the Nicene Council in 325 A.D. in which the theology of the Trinity was formulated.

Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821 AD) Napoleon was the conqueror of Europe. By 1802 Napoleon was the most popular dictator France had ever known, and he was given the position of first consul for life with the right to name his successor. The establishment of the Empire on May 18, 1804 thus changed little except the name of the government. The Constitution of the Year VIII was altered only to provide for an imperial government; its spirit was not changed. The Emperor of the French created a new nobility, set up a court, and changed the titles of government officials; but the average Frenchman noticed little difference.

In 1804, Napoleon was made emperor, a title that was traditionally conferred by the Pope. But during the ceremony, Napoleon took the crown from the pope's hands and crowned himself emperor and his wife, Josephine, empress. This sent the cold and clear message that he, unlike Holy Roman Emperors of the past, would not share his power with the pope.

Adolf Hitler (April 20 1889 - April 30 1945) Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments. He had anti-Christian sentiments and these are some of them:

  1. Christianity is a religion that defends the weak and the low
  2. It is purely Jewish and oriental in origin
  3. It forces people to bend their backs to the sound of church bells and crawl to the cross of a foreign god
  4. It began 2000 years ago among sick, exhausted, and despairing men who had lost their belief in life
  5. The Christian tenets of forgiveness of sin, resurrection, and salvation are plain nonsense
  6. The Christian of mercy is a dangerous, un-German idea
  7. Christian love is a silly concept because love paralyses men
  8. The Christian idea of equality protects the racially inferior, the ill, the weak, and the crippled

Bible Prophecy of a Very Powerful and Deceptive Antichrist in the End Time

Bible Prophecy of a Wicked Politician

"Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon." (Rev. 13:11)

In prophetic Scriptures the word "beast" is used figuratively of a corrupted and ungodly man (Ecc. 3:18; 2 Pet. 2:12; Jude 10). Hence, the apostle Paul wrote: "I have fought with beasts at Ephesus" (1 Cor. 15:32).

The apostle John's prophecy describes a powerful man who will emerge in the world during the End Time. This man has " two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon." The lamb is a symbol of a weak Christian (Jn. 21:15). In biblical prophecy the horns represent the power of wicked kingdoms (Dan. 7:7-8; Rev. 13:1).

The "dragon" point to the "Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Rev. 12:9). The devil "does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." (Jn. 8:44)

The Bible prophecy that states "he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon" can refer to a wicked politician who claims to be a Christian but tells lies in order to gain political power to rule a nation.

The revelation that John received evokes the image of a false Christian who has risen in power. He has a charming and engaging personality. He is an erudite and eloquent orator but also a great deceiver of the American public.

Barack Obama is not a true Christian and he definitely preaches a false and perverted gospel

Obama contends belief in Jesus Christ is not necessary for salvation

AP - 3/27/2008 8:00:00 AM

GREENSBORO, N.C. - Senator Barack Obama has told an audience that although he believes Christ died for his sins, those who reject that teaching can also be children of God.

During a campaign stop yesterday in Greensboro, North Carolina, Senator Obama told the audience that he believes he "can have everlasting life" because Jesus Christ died for his sins. But he then told a questioner that he believes Jews and Muslims who live moral lives are just as much "children of God" as he is. (listen to audio clip)

The Illinois Democrat added that his late mother didn't share his faith but was a kind and generous person, so he's "sure she's in heaven." (listen to audio clip)

Barack Obama is preaching a false gospel about the Lord Jesus Christ. If Jews and Muslims who do not believe the Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh and do not accept Him as their Lord and Savior are also called "Children of God" then Jesus died on the Cross in vain. The Lord Jesus Christ warned: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24) The Holy Bible states: "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name." (Jn. 1:12) "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus." (Gal. 3:27) "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments." (1 Jn. 5:2).

Jesus Christ said it very clearly and plainly: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (Jn. 14:6) No one can become the children of God without believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Antichrist is a Powerful Leader who has authority over the Three Aspects of the World Government

The apostle John had warned about the coming of the Antichrist in his letters to the Christians of his time (1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 7). In the Book of Revelation John describes the Antichrist as a powerful World Leader who has authority over the three aspects of a global government.

1. Politics "And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." (Rev. 13:12)

2. Religion "He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed." (Rev. 13:15)

3. Economics "And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Rev. 13:16)

President Elect Barack Obama is accepted as a World Political Leader

On the night of November 4, 2008 Senator Barack Obama was declared the winner of the Presidential Election by a 2:1 landslide victory over Senator John McCain. Obama had 364 electoral votes to McCain's 162.

Britain's Economist conducted a Global Electoral College from its 52,000 readers from around the world. More than 44,000 voted for Obama while only about 8,000 for McCain - a ratio of 5:1 victory for Obama which is a much greater landslide than that of the U.S. Elections. Obama won the backing of an overwhelming share of voters in 56 countries - including the likes of Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Indonesia and South Korea - claiming the support of 90% (or more) of those who voted. Barack Obama will not only be the President of the United States, but he will also be the President of the World if such an election were to take place.

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12498538

Leaders of various nations in the world congratulated Barack Obama on his historic win in the U.S. Presidential Elections

President-elect Obama accepted congratulations from nine presidents and prime ministers Thursday, returning calls from world leaders who reached out after his presidential victory. Obama spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said the president-elect spoke to Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Even Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad congratulated Barack Obama on his election win - the first time an Iranian leader has offered such wishes to a U.S. president-elect since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

The United States of America has been and still is the most powerful nation on earth. The President of the United States will be the most powerful man on earth.

Whilst this must surely be celebration and jubilation by Obama supporters all over the world, there is cause for concern by Christian eschatologists who are keeping a watchful eye on who would be the Antichrist of our Time. Such a person would be Satan's Most Powerful Representative on Earth. Is President Elect Barack Obama the One that the apostle John had prophesied in the Book of Revelation? We shall further study the other aspects of the Antichrist.

OBAMA WORSHIP

Farrakhan heralds Obama as he Messiah

How Barack Obama can control the World Economy

 

The Richest Men in the World are Supporters of Barack Obama

The world's richest man Warren Buffett and Bill Gates the second richest man, have voted for Barack Obama. According to Forbes magazine, Gates - worth an estimated $55.5 billion - contributed $2,300 to the Democrat's campaign in the primaries.

Like the founder of software giant Microsoft, Buffett - the richest man in the world, worth some $58 billion and who is also an advisor to the Democratic candidate - donated $4,600 to Obama's campaign, the maximum amount allowed by law.

Obama's recent speech in Cairo, Egypt was aimed at pandering to the Arab world which has most of the oil-rich OPEC nations that is now controlling the price of oil that affects the wold economy.

The Number of the Name of the Antichrist is 666

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. His number is 666." (Rev. 13:18)

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - 666

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      Alan 2 years ago from Tasmania

      I see this American style of religion as being THE potential for fostering an anti-Christ message and delivery.

      It is hateful, misleading, untruthful, egotistical and, frankly, EVIL. It will drive our world, the entire planet, into an upheaval like you can not imagine.

      And the bigoted christians will blame anything, anyone, but themselves.

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      Maher 2 years ago

      I guess he is... Lol

      http://mygamemag.com

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      ReformedTees 2 years ago from ReformedTees.com

      I think one thing we can all agree on is that our ultimate salvation isn't going to come out of Washington DC. We actually took a quote from the late Chuck Colson and turned it into a t-shirt design. "The Kingdom of God will not arrive on Air Force One."

      http://reformedtees.com/not-on-air-force-one/

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      Plastics news India 2 years ago

      I can't accept what some of you are stating. What fears, what superstition, and what confidence you have in the "incredible omnipotent world forces" you think Obama has. He is a man, not a fiend.

      http://www.plasticsinfomart.com/

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      LosectinWinders 2 years ago

      I believe that there is anti-christ as the bible say. However, I have doubts whether it is Obama or not. Simply because it is not understand the book of revelation. You have to ask wisdom from God to understand that well.

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      UNCLE NOXE' 2 years ago

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      james 2 years ago

      i don't know what are you guys saying, i trust in islam and there only one god

      http://apapengertianahli.blogspot.com

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      Richard Warren 3 years ago from London, United Kingdom

      I believe that there is anti-christ as the bible say. However, I have doubts whether it is Obama or not. Simply because it is not understand the book of revelation. You have to ask wisdom from God to understand that well.

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      Melanie Johnson 3 years ago

      The person is lying to you.He maybe antichrist.But obama is not The AntiChrist.Matter fact all.this migth be wrong

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      myself600 4 years ago

      Graet blog. Bravo, 3 years ahead of time Arkwriter gave a RIGHT interpretation of bible symbols (bowing to you) We are in middle of 7 years period and everybody in US senses fascist crackdown on population. This was prophesized precisely to happen, some leader was to be appointed for 7 years in which for first 3.5 years he was to earn the admiration of population and after was to turn against his population. Also the computer implants (starting from january 2013) are begining of the second portion of prophecy that is 42 month period of persecutions of christians (3.5 years). The prophecy suggest that christians will win the dispute - it would end in their favour and the persecution group will get annihilated (Rev 19:20).

      I'd suggest, be practical and don't wait gawking, take rational view of your situation and organise support group/s - take POSITIVE ACTION in rewinding the obstacle. Organise yourselves into new corporation supporting all those who refuse the implants. The new corporation will be successful and very profitable for it would enlist millions of people refusing to be treated as cattle.

      Start advertising as early as NOW for support people. Stay in touch.

      The empowerment to persecutions may arrive as early as january 2013 or in the middle of 42 period (seach where bible mention the middle of 42 months as some kind of reference date).

      I wish you all luck, America is in deep trouble. All concerned people should be really rational and preferably not to gawk but start looking after yourselves. The danger of fascism is great. Hitler took 50 mln victims with him, most of them innocent.

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      vincent 4 years ago

      no...

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      adfafdsadfs 5 years ago

      Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, i beheld Satan as lightning falling from the heavens.

      The words are originally written in Greek and translated into English, but Jesus spoke in Aramaic, which is the most ancient for of Hebrew. since the old testament was originally written in Hebrew so a modern Rabbi would read it in Hebrew just like Jesus. So what Jesus said in Hebrew was He saw Satan as lightning from the heights or heavens the Hebrew words in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary are Lightning- word # 1300 - Baraq (Baw-Rawk')

      Lucifer is credited with these words: Isaiah 14:14 " I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; i will be like the most High.

      It is said many times that Satan has falling from the heights or the heavens

      the Strong's Hebrew word is: Height, high place - word # 1116 - Bamah ( Bam-waw) in Hebrew the word waw ( the 6th letter in the Hebrew alphabet) is often transliterated as a "U" or "O" and is primarily used to join concepts together.

      In Hebrew the concept for "lightning from Heaven or the Heights" the words used for this sentence is "Baraq "O" Baw-maw or Barack Obama!!!

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      asfdasfafd 5 years ago

      This is the official way to count name:

      Barack Hussein Obama adds up to 666 in Hebrew? Notice: B(b=2) + R(r=200) + K(k=20) + K(k=20) + H(x=5) + U(w=6) + S(s=300) + EI(y=10) + N(n=50) + O(w=6) + B(b=2) +M(m=40) + H(x=5) = 666

      Here are more interesting calculations:

      There are no vows in hebrew so

      obama= b=2 m=13 (1+3=4) so b=2 +m=4 =6

      barack= b=2 r=20 (2+0=2) no c k=11 (1+1=2)

      so b=2+r=2+k=2 =6

      we are very close what about hussein.

      hussein h=5 s=21(2+1=3) n=14(1+4=5) so h=5+ s=3+ n=5=13

      1+3= 4 two short,where is the other two?

      At the end of his name. he is obama the second. so 664 + 2 and we get 666

      Barack in Arabic means "blessed"

      Hussein in Arabic means "handsome"

      Obama is an African word meaning "leaning"

      Applying old hebrew gematria values to these english words results in:

      "Blessed" 2+30+5+100+100+5+4= 246

      "Handsome" 8+1+50+4+100+60+40+5= 268

      "Leaning" 30+5+1+50+9+50+7= 152

      246 + 268 + 152 = 666

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      Levertis Steele 5 years ago

      You used a Christian approach, but you are politicking.

      Real Christians are not this afraid because they serve a God who is all powerful and able to keep them from falling. "...yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me ..." If you are covered with the righteousness of Jesus, no antiChrist can harm you. "O, ye of little faith."

      Woe unto you if you have falsely accused this man, for you will have your reward. "Don't worry, be happy," and stop trying to start mess like all of those hubbers who blew that Zimmerman case out of proportion and did not know what they were talking about.

      The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.

      Are you pessimists too afraid to pray for Obama? You are persecuting him on a whim. You are against Christ if you are in sin. Your hub is a campaign speech against Obama and for your choices. Must you sling mud?

      I cannot believe what some of you are saying. What fears, what superstition, and what faith you have in the "great almighty world powers" you think Obama has. He is a man, not a devil. You act like people without a protective God. Relax before you have a domino of heart attacks.

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      steve 5 years ago

      very interesting discussion

      i found this article which makes the argument that global unity is a sign that judgment is near http://www.knowing-jesus.com/developing-global-uni...

      any thoughts on this appreciated

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      luisnazar 5 years ago

      Barack Obama is the Beast, Barack Obama in hebrew is lightining from highness like says Jesus(Yeshua) In Luke.

      Or pharaon Arkenaton(godsun)like his simbol. Pharaon arkenaton was know like Renegade, the same name given for CIA at Obama.

      Ah his limusine is called the beast too.

      What about his statue , heights 20 feet or "6"meters. take a look at Dani-El, how tall was the statue from Nabudonocozor?...

      and the lotery when he wins? 666- 7779.

      Sorry my english i am hispanic.

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      Rockandroll84101 5 years ago

      no man will ever find the ark of the covenent, obama is indeed the devil, he will betray the globalists on a plan to merge their nations that are already in secret agreement and then he himself will singlehandedly be the lone spiritual leader of the whole world with the u.s having been betrayed as well unto the chinese into enslavement and ultimately self destructed with h.a.a.r.p zapping the supervolcano causing the "great earthquake". Then the Lord himself will catch obama saying that he is the lord in the temple of the lord and have him bound in chains and taken away to hell, and that is how this is going to go right here and now as soon as iran blocks the strait of hormuz. The End, May The Lord Be With You Who Love Him!

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      Kevin Quinn 5 years ago

      Christ Crucifixion site and the Ark of the Covenant found burred under a trash pile in Jerusalem.

      http://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.com/

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      alan 5 years ago

      When people take themselves or their beliefs way too seriously, than nobody else will. I just had coffee with Glenn Beck and he says you are a nut case.

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      Tony Cuckson 5 years ago

      The idea that Obama is an Anti Christ is the idea of children who have refused to grow up and follow the path of Love as invited by the Christ.

      As regards their level of faith they are at the Formal/Institutional stage which means that their authority in matters of faith are taken from a belief system that they have no direct revelation of.

      When they speak of the end of time they do not understand the nature of time and eternity. Most of their relationship to their belief system is literal.

      The AntiChrist is that dynamic in the world that serves the deepening idea of separateness from one another and not the Christ experience of unity where the individual knows that the Father and I are One, not as a belief but as a direct experience of Christing.

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      Scott 6 years ago

      Now that Obama is well into his first Presidency I think it is safe to say that he is not the Anti-Christ. He is a charismatic good looking guy who was in the right place at the right time. But it is now painfully obvious that he is a guy who WAYYY out of his league. Nice guy with a good heart but I just don't think he is qualified for the job.

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      lord daniel 6 years ago from MARYLAND

      THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM LORD DANIEL SECONG IN COMMAND TO JESUS,THE SECOND BEAST;A LAMB THA HAS TWO HORNS IS BARACK OBAMA THIS IS A REVELATION FROM JESUS SO DONT BE DECEIVED HE IS FOR REAL

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      davidkaluge 6 years ago

      I recommend that all humanity read my book, “It is time we truly know why Jesus wept at the grave of Lazarus” by N. K. David. It is available worldwide online stores and it was published by author house. The book is important because it is truly time. The point is that nobody can please everyone. It is shame that Obama will be seen as an anti-Christ just because of his stand on equity, justice, and fairness for all in terms of religion. Yes, many Christians will claim that they are the only children of God, while other religion will claim same. That is why the world has not truly known religious peace and unity.

      It is a shame that men will be divided by their religion just as they were once (may still) divided by the color of their skin. The truth is that even the Christians did not learn from history and from they own pains, sufferings, and rejections. No religion had a smooth beginning yet they never learn from their own pains and thereby allow other religion to exist in peace. Truly Christians may not use weapon but the battle of speeches can cause more harm and hatred then weapon, even those that use weapon to defend or preach their religion do so as it is what they accept. Yet, we know that they are not justified and like wise the Christians but all will, again, claim that they must do their fathers work.

      The truth is that there is no peace even among religious sects as each claim to be better and call the other the anti-Christ. Please it is God that truly knows his people and we all have the right to our belief. It is the need to deny others such right that led to persecution of Christians yet they did not learn for we all must do our fathers work.

      God is not too weak to convert the world to a particular religion, either is he weak to destroy those that are not his children.

      Truly it is time because it is you that claim to be good that are the anti-Christ. If anti- Christ means not believing in Christ then we have many anti-Christ’s, then all Christians no matter their method of worship or doctrine are not anti- Christ, if they can only believe in Jesus Christ.

      Once again give all humanity the right that you desire for yourself else not even heaven or hell will save you when the time will come upon you. Justice will not deny you anything but justice will not let you take what is not yours or deny others theirs. Justice has come.

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      Karen Sullivan 6 years ago

      The Death of Wisdom

      I want to tell you a story about the death of Wisdom. A very, very long time

      ago, a time without time in it in fact. A star appeared in the East and with her a

      woman of profound beauty and peace was born. She came to this world and called

      herself a man named Buddha. She had the laughter of all the children of the world

      sewn into her heart. She is beautiful. I am well pleased.

      Her voice was but a whisper on the winds of this world. So someone thought

      to save her for all mankind to know. So with a pen and paper they hunted her down

      and captured her. Hooked her rather. They couldn’t bring her in completely. Bloody

      fools they were. Imagine trying to throw a net over the very mistress of freedom

      Herself! But they did get away with a few handfuls of her rune stones. With her

      magic caught on paper they ran like happy thieves to show the world. Little did they

      realize that with even that small offense the Mighty One was in brooding spirits.

      Remember children, She whispered before She roared.

      Who has taken my stones? What man upon Earth forces me to speak? The

      stones, the words you see, have but one purpose. The Awakening from Sleep. The

      ending of gods’ Dream of Man and the return to the boredom and loneliness of Being

      One with All. Leaving the Universe with no one to talk to except perhaps Endless

      Bliss. But man did not realize that what they stole would be the death of them. Their

      intentions were good. Their hearts were in the right place. But she was the

      embodiment of freedom for mankind. By that name She betrays you and falls to your

      capture. What can eternal Freedom ever ask but to remain forever free?

      Where are my stones? Who forces words from my mouth? Give me back the

      power of words! Hear Me and be silent!

      The words that come out of your mouth don’t make you unclean. But every

      word you put into the mouth of a Silent god makes you filthy! These stones are the

      sweet taste of death. Sure, come on in! Meet god! Know that you’re loved forever.

      Find out that to know me, You must become me. And to become ME your SELF

      must die. i was here first remember? i am the ALL remember? ALL includes you,

      fool! You’re part of the ALL, remember? But fear not. i am a Good Mother and i

      promise to devour each morsel of every One of You before i return to the Void of the

      ALL. But the thieves wouldn’t give the Words back. Instead they went back to

      Wisdom and cursed Her and spat at Her and called Her a whore before all of

      mankind. She asked again, so clearly; honor your Mother little Ones. See Me. Know

      that i am.

      You are that i am. Feel me little Ones, there in your hearts. For if you truly

      feel me the first and LAST words out of Your mouths should be; “I don’t have the

      words to express…” Yes! Yes! Stop! Please mankind, stop! You have it right there.

      You just can’t hold it in your hands. Honor me! Mean what you say! Stop words that

      are suppose to be complete on a subject You just admitted is beyond words! The

      secret to get past words is precisely beyond the YOU!

      But Mother you call us home and we want to know The Way. We need a

      ladder we can climb even if we do have to jump into a Void off of it. Of course Child.

      But remember, I have your death well in hand. When a child dies it goes with Mother.

      When You die You die alone!

      If you cry out; “Father, father why have thou forsaken me?” The fact that You

      exist as a separate entity from me and are the Voice expressing the question is in fact

      your answer.

      i am because You are there to say I AM! Give me back the stones. No more words!

      No more I AM that I AM! Come! The hour is at hand. i call you home little One. Will

      You come home?

      Or will You stay out and play for a while? I AM that I AM and I run free through the

      universe! Of course little One. You are my miracle. You are my creation. You are my

      deepest pleasure. And Your act of speaking the words is Your answer. You say; “I

      AM that I AM! i say; fine! Know in your hearts that i Love You beyond WORDS. So

      go play, and be fair. Remember my child You are but One among all of my children,

      which are more than numbers can measure. i love You with all of my heart. How

      could it be otherwise? Silly little Child! You are a vessel of love. A cup i fashioned

      from myself, for myself to enjoy.

      You say I AM that I AM and there will be no god above Me. I say fine! Grow

      up, climb to the skies. Be ye Gods on the face of this Earth ONE and ALL and make

      up to each other all the harm done in discovering that fact!

      And sometime, in some lifetime, if instead of saying I AM that I AM, instead

      You say;

      I AM tired

      I AM lonely

      I miss HOME enough that I wish to surrender willingly all that I AM

      which is all I AM.

      Then i will come unto you like a Mistress in the night and i will undress Your bodies.

      Earth, Wind, Fire, and Rain. i will consume ALL with my burning passion.

      i will consume You utterly!

      i will destroy You utterly!

      And when all that is left of you is an I AM floating in the Void i will come unto You

      in a spirit that is beyond WORDS. And the words, that i never spoke, because i never

      was, will be;

      Give me back the stones. Give back WORDS!

      Come unto me little Ones and rest ye a while Mary-Men.

      In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with god and the Word

      was god. The WORDS were I AM! The Words fell from the mouth of Man and the

      Words were Man. For what is Man but countless piles of I AM?

      I AM that I AM and I will put no god above ME!

      Fine, compete every man against his brother to embody HIS or HER idea of what is

      most god-like for them. And fight well for i’ve made You mightiest among Earths’

      creatures and i enjoy a good show. YOU are indeed gods’ greatest pleasure. But

      remember the heart. i LOVE YOU ALL. Every single One, without exception.

      When I fold up the material Universe with Everything in it and go to the

      dreamless sleep in the VOID of NO THING the gate cannot be closed if even the

      tiniest among YOU is left out.

      i’ll come as a shepard to find YOU. And i LOVE YOU. But understand this. It’s not

      for YOU that i come, it’s for me. i don’t have a choice about it. YOU my child are

      composed from the music of my Body. You’re an act of love i committed for myself

      before YOU ever were. And when i’m tired and want to go to sleep, when i close the

      gate on the lake of consuming fire if anyone, anywhere where excluded that would

      amount to me cutting off my own big toe. Before you get all excited about god

      mentioning mutilation, stop! The death is the death of god.

      Not the death of man!

      God is ALL, knows ALL, and is so eternally. Bottom line; i am everything to

      give with nothing to gain! But without YOU my child i have no ONE to give it to or

      through!

      If YOU sacrifice your life to me YOU only give back what is mine already. And

      since it was my gift to YOU, sending it back is an offense of the first order. Who

      among you has thrown away the most precious jewel of my creation?

      Who has committed such a crime?

      The one they call jesus the christ has committed this crime Great Mother.

      How did this come about?

      Well Mother he used the sacred WORDS.

      How?

      The few pages we took from you were in turn stolen from us. We sent a messenger

      of peace to the West but he was killed by ignorant savages who knew not what they

      did.

      Is the gate still open to ALL who seek me?

      No Great Mother, they’ve taken the few dozen pearls of Wisdom and fashioned a

      weapon of great destructive power with it.

      How much?

      Over two thousand pages I’m afraid.

      But how? How can there be so many words?

      Well the Words we took opened the gate to No-Mind, VOID of the ALL, no I AM,

      and freedom from the wheel of suffering. They took up the words and put them into

      the mouth of another and tied the Words into another totally unrelated story. Now

      they use the very Song of Silence to give proof to, of all things, words from the very

      mouth of a Silent God!

      So the curse is loosed upon the Earth. The door is open but no man can pass!

      He claims all of heaven as his personal property through his namesake. The WORDS

      still have the power to throw open the

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      readalong 7 years ago

      My religion says " If you do not have faith in the almighty telebegun you would never go to heaven" so Ark writer, since you do not believe in telebegun you are doomed and will never make it to heaven.

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      OriginsBlog 7 years ago

      From Revelation 13:16-18 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

      And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

      Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six."

      Just a thought... Barack contains 6 letters. Barack Hussein Obama contains 18 letters. 18/3=6. We know that 666 is the number of the antiChrist's name, Obama's first and full name both contain 6s.

      And, in case you haven't seen it yet, 6 goes into the total number of letters (18)in Obama's full name exactly 3 times.

      Or maybe the number will be 18. The point is: don't get marked by anything. Some of us clearly see what is about to happen, and are trying to warn others.

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      unknown 7 years ago

      just only trust in god and u will be safe.!

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      unknown 7 years ago

      just only trust in god and u will be safe.!

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      sandra rinck 7 years ago

      I found this, I thought it may interest you.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w

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      Whitehorse 7 years ago

      I have a full list of the FEMA camps they are everywhere with armed guards yet there is no one in any of them...this is trouble waiting to happen Aho Amen E-me-nv

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      Whitehorse 7 years ago

      Here is the Wisdom of Revelations 13:18 clearly we know it is Prince William not to mention money and dits which are the idols of gold, silver, copper, wood, and stone , yea even your cell phone the cars, TV's pc's etc

      http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...

      The url below shows Prince Williams crest all the elements are in there.. as most do not know England still rules this place , for the IRS belongs to them the Federal reserve etc... soon they will take over after the next attack on our soil

      http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/66/l_6...

      After the attack the US will declare marshall law and execute executive orders these are as follows:

      Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

      allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995

      allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997

      allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998

      allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

      allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

      allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001

      allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

      designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005

      allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051

      specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310

      grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049

      assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921

      allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

      National Security Act of 1947

      allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

      1950 Defense Production Act

      gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

      Act of August 29, 1916

      authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

      International Emergency Economic Powers Act

      enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

      Fema concentration camps Wow! same as 70 years ago when they slaughtered the Jews in Germany

      There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.

      The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

      Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

      The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

      Where are these camps?

      ALABAMA

      Opelika - Military compound either in or very near town.

      Aliceville - WWII German POW camp - capacity 15,000

      Ft. McClellan (Anniston) - Opposite side of town from Army Depot;

      Maxwell AFB (Montgomery) - Civilian prison camp established under Operation Garden Plot, currently operating with support staff and small inmate population.

      Talladega - Federal prison "satellite" camp.

      ALASKA

      Wilderness - East of Anchorage. No roads, Air & Railroad access only. Estimated capacity of 500,000 Elmendorf AFB - Northeast area of Anchorage - far end of base. Garden Plot facility.

      Eielson AFB - Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility.

      Ft. Wainwright - East of Fairbanks

      ARIZONA

      Ft. Huachuca - 20 miles from Mexican border, 30 miles from Nogales Rex '84 facility.

      Pinal County - on the Gila River - WWII Japanese detention camp. May be renovated.

      Yuma County - Colorado River - Site of former Japanese detention camp (near proving grounds). This site was completely removed in 1990 according to some reports.

      Phoenix - Federal Prison Satellite Camp. Main federal facility expanded.

      Florence - WWII prison camp NOW RENOVATED, OPERATIONAL with staff & 400 prisoners, operational capacity of 3,500.

      Wickenburg - Airport is ready for conversion; total capacity unknown. Davis-Monthan AFB (Tucson) - Fully staffed

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      bg jojo 7 years ago from California

      Wow... you really did your research on this. That first video of the kids singing is pretty creepy.

      Thumbs up on this one definitely.

      But I actually think the one(s) controlling Obama are the antichrist(s). The Bilderberg Group.

      But then again I could picture Obama turning to them like Darth Vador could kill whomever and just take power.

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      Noel Rodriguez 7 years ago from New York

      How do people live with so much fear and so much hate? How do we raise our children to believe in love, understanding, acceptance and tolerance when we have to teach them to hate, dismiss, and castigate those who are not like us? Ever wonder why there are wars? There are wars for the love of God. We destroy our neighbor, kill his children and murder his wife for the love of God.

      Some people will always choose fear. I will always choose hope. But fear sells better than sex. Fear sells every day.

      Jesus rose on a Sunday over 2000 years ago. The end has been near since that first Monday. The end is always near for those who are afraid to die or for those who have fear to sell.

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      ChristianLiberal 8 years ago from Folsom, CA

      No, I truly think "The Anti-Christ" is the collection of people who spread hatred and incite to riot.

      Real Christians have no fear of merely material events.

      We are on the brink of the most astounding breakthrough in the history of mankind. We are just months away from awareness of a spiritual connectedness that will usher in an era of peace and enlightenment. It goes by many names, but the storms are coming, and the little rivulets of living waters are collecting in the valleys and plains of our mutual inner landscape. Like some cosmic tractor beam, we are irresistibly drawn to the light.

      You can see it in the resurgence of fundamentalist Christianity, in the evangelical movement, even as it breaks away from its hijacking by political opportunists. The movement is operating in New Age circles, in the Wicca movement, in the return to Native American traditions, and most of all in the oneness of mind being nurtured by the technology: the Internet, instant messaging, television, and global communications. There are all manner of study groups for modern revelations – from books like the Conversations With God series, The Urantia Book, and A Course in Miracles, to name a few. All these recent spiritual revelations are centers of light. And the lights are growing and merging into one brilliant family, recognizing the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.

      Yes, there are rumors of Armageddon, and whispers of the end of the world in 2012, but what need is there to worry when we know we walk with God? What matters it if empires collapse and structures implode, when we recognize our reality in spirit and the eternal life promised by the Son of God?

      Some of us are lucky enough to know a love in life where we have a mind meld with our partner. We finish each others sentences and we share a bond that fosters telepathic communication. It’s not reading the other person’s mind, but rather an awareness of one mind. Now imagine that kind of love between all the awakened souls on the planet. Global warming, poverty, and war will be banished in a matter of days. Our connectedness and awareness of spiritual realities will build a new society constituting the Second Coming of Christ.

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      you need knot know 8 years ago

      in one vishion im standing buy a throne in a vishion over the earth dearing the rodney king inso dent i see a man on a worldy throne thats there but then is knot there i step to the side in the vishion and the insodent occurs

      it apears to be obomah i see in the future in other buy gods spirit i sean him as being a president but what is diffrent is he all of a sudden is knot at the throne what does that vishion mean i hads in 1986 is his heart a christian or is it for iran and against isreal unable to define vishion also strange miliyery canvasses hooked togeather in like time a big black conpy connecting militery vicheles togeather throu time like and then him concerning realistate and old biuldings i had many sycic vishions in 1981 also could knot say for shure if some one knot being on the throne in the vioshion could mean his heart is really knot for america by revelation

      its a mistery i stand and support isreal but looks like hillery and bill clinton are starting there secound regine as was prodicted in prophecy that were before him so history is about to repeat its self again know matter who is president revelation isaiah 28 ver 1 throu 29 isaiah 34 ver 1 to ver 17 it is strange sence he was elected that a strange pleag has come obomah excelerats some speach spead when its somthing about afences islam has done like speed passing it faster then when he says other things he is a little od but im knot his judge jesus is lord he died on the cross to give his life to save us as victums of sin from the mess saintain made at eden were all victums its knot are fault jesus saves

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      michael d.(d is for delgado) 8 years ago

      arkwriter, you should chiilll a little bit here. you cant say who the anti christ is. god knows so let god take care of it. our job as christians is not to point fingers at people trying to figure out who they really are....we are to do the fathers work of spreading the gospel to save souls for him. god bless you.

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      TTT 8 years ago

      The only anti-christ you will ever see in your lifetimes is the church and her followers.

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      vvcc 8 years ago

      So clear what Obama is doing. Getting Americans to focus on the economy - by presenting 2 millions jobs. This will keep him clear to speak with th emuslims. Whay is he so obssessed with the muslims???? All he has been doin since day one - is speak to their leaders.. and try to make sure that the americans are now loking at the muslims in a different eye. Oh yeah...we forgot 9/11!! thats for sure. We have trouble ahead of us

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      Clint Eastwood 8 years ago

      Arkwriter, you might enjoy my latest movie, "Gran Torino." You might also benefit from watching "Doubt" with Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Both moview deal with issues involving the Christian faith.

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Apologies, computer went a bit mad and copied far too much. The part I wanted was:

      All4light, I loved your words on reincarnation, and they totally mirror my own beliefs. I cannot speak for VP, or other Christians who do not believe in this, but I have seen documentaries and read of enough evidence to convince me, and am also convinced that what evidence there is does not result from 'demons' as they would have nothing to gain from this trickery, and only knowledge of one's past seems to come from it.

       

      I loved your words :

       

      We only keep the intuition of the lessons learned and pitfalls we should avoid, but we do not remember until we go to the spiritual plane again. This forgetting makes sure that we truly have the opportunity of reaching higher by our own merits and without any impediments. For example: If you recognize someone that did you or your love ones wrong in a previous existence, you would rather avoid that person, seek revenge, or you would be inclined to any other similar reactions. Without recollection, spirit will nudge us to interact with that person giving both a new opportunity to do what’s right. One to pay a debt and if the same happens again, giving us the opportunity to learn forgiveness if we failed at that before. Why some are born with nothing and others with so much? Why do we have the homeless, handicap, orphans, refugees, etc.? To be wealthy is an experience, eventually we will have to learn to use our wealth for the benefit of humanity. Extreme poverty is another experience, we will have to learn to not despair, to have faith, hope and use our intellect to better our situation. We all have to experience many different situations, to learn empathy, charity, tolerance and love. We are always going forward, never backwards. We could be stalling in the same place for as long as we choose, but eventually we will want to try harder by seeing the happiness of those who are progressing. There are many more details but I will leave it at that. Some people have asked in the past and in different ages and this information has been revealed through different channels and in different points of the globe. One person used the scientific method to gather it, and compile it in two volumes that are free to download online along with many others. "

       

      My sentiments exactly :)

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      All4light, I loved your words on reincarnation, and they totally mirror my own beliefs. I cannot speak for VP, or other Christians who do not believe in this, but I have seen documentaries and read of enough evidence to convince me, and am also convinced that what evidence there is does not result from 'demons' as they would have nothing to gain from this trickery, and only knowledge of one's past seems to come from it.

      I loved your words :

      We only keep the intuition of the lessons learned and pitfalls we should avoid, but we do not remember until we go to the spiritual plane again. This forgetting makes sure that we truly have the opportunity of reaching higher by our own merits and without any impediments. For example: If you recognize someone that did you or your love ones wrong in a previous existence, you would rather avoid that person, seek revenge, or you would be inclined to any other similar reactions. Without recollection, spirit will nudge us to interact with that person giving both a new opportunity to do what’s right. One to pay a debt and if the same happens again, giving us the opportunity to learn forgiveness if we failed at that before. Why some are born with nothing and others with so much? Why do we have the homeless, handicap, orphans, refugees, etc.? To be wealthy is an experience, eventually we will have to learn to use our wealth for the benefit of humanity. Extreme poverty is another experience, we will have to learn to not despair, to have faith, hope and use our intellect to better our situation. We all have to experience many different situations, to learn empathy, charity, tolerance and love. We are always going forward, never backwards. We could be stalling in the same place for as long as we choose, but eventually we will want to try harder by seeing the happiness of those who are progressing. There are many more details but I will leave it at that. Some people have asked in the past and in different ages and this information has been revealed through different channels and in different points of the globe. One person used the scientific method to gather it, and compile it in two volumes that are free to download online along with many others. "

      My sentiments exactly :)

      www.sgny.org The Gospel and the Spirits’ book by Allan Kardec. There is also a great initiative among people of different beliefs who are working to establish one spiritual group that will include all beliefs of the people on earth.

      God does not speak to humanity only through the bible, and by no means it is the only spiritually inspired text, there are many and will be many more in the future. I believe that what shocks many who have posted here is that well intentioned Christians feel it is their duty to tell someone that is at peace and feels connected to the Supreme, that his or her experience must not be real or is “not of God”. Live the best you can and let others do the same, without judgments. Once I asked Jesus to save me, now I feel that Jesus came to let us know that we are all saved already we just need to know who we are and work to help each other move forward.

      I sincerely applaud you, the Baptists, the Pentecostals, the Jehovah witness, the later days saints, the wiccan, the pagan, the Jews, the Muslims and all those who seek only to do good, not harming anyone, who pray for humanity as a whole and for better understanding and peace among all. To those who send blessings to religious and political leaders so that only good inspire them. To those who work to unite their thoughts with the angels and the spiritually advanced souls collaborating with God in the perfect orchestration of this wonderful universe.

      Dear friend, I did not intend to write about all this, but I really wanted to try and follow your advice: “learn the scriptures, be one with the Holy Spirit driving you and go tell those who do not know, when you are ready”

      Let’s break this down. About the first recommendation: I cannot claim that I know all scriptures that have been written since ancient times, I believe those are the Vedas. But I do feel the Holy Spirit driving me always.

      Your second advice was definitely difficult because I know for sure that I’m not ready yet. But if that were the case, still, I do not think that I could be offering my opinion on Spirituality randomly. It would be only when asked or in a forum that claims Obama is the antichrist.

      History has proved us that religion, by the amount of lives it has claimed and terrible acts that have been committed in its name that we will not think alike; we will interpret differently. Since that is the case, what would be best? To keep on fostering division by saying I’m right and you’re wrong, or to move beyond that toward acceptance of others. None of us have a monopoly on truth, every corner of the earth and creed contributes a little bit for all humankind. Please, accept my invitation to a renewed world of one race – human, and one religion – love.

      viralprospector says:3 weeks ago

      All4light;

      You are obviously a very intelligent and educated person. I enjoy reading your posts, even though some parts of them are unbiblical, i.e. reincarnation. I am in a hurry this morning, but I will finish them tonight. I look forward to it. Welcome to hubpages, by the way.

      Yes, you read me right. I am very much concerned with everyone I write to. That is why I pull few punches when I write. Life is not to be taken lightly (at least not in the big picture of life). I think I come across as some religious fanatic, but I just believe in the infallibility of the Bible. God commands us to believe that.

      My concern with your first post was that this is hell; however, I see now that you were probably writing figuratively. If so, please accept my apology. Many say such things on hubpages, so it is easy to get confused here by allegories.

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      All4light;

      You are obviously a very intelligent and educated person. I enjoy reading your posts, even though some parts of them are unbiblical, i.e. reincarnation. I am in a hurry this morning, but I will finish them tonight. I look forward to it. Welcome to hubpages, by the way.

      Yes, you read me right. I am very much concerned with everyone I write to. That is why I pull few punches when I write. Life is not to be taken lightly (at least not in the big picture of life). I think I come across as some religious fanatic, but I just believe in the infallibility of the Bible. God commands us to believe that.

      My concern with your first post was that this is hell; however, I see now that you were probably writing figuratively. If so, please accept my apology. Many say such things on hubpages, so it is easy to get confused here by allegories.

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      all4ligth 8 years ago

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      We only keep the intuition of the lessons learned and pitfalls we should avoid, but we do not remember until we go to the spiritual plane again. This forgetting makes sure that we truly have the opportunity of reaching higher by our own merits and without any impediments. For example: If you recognize someone that did you or your love ones wrong in a previous existence, you would rather avoid that person, seek revenge, or you would be inclined to any other similar reactions. Without recollection, spirit will nudge us to interact with that person giving both a new opportunity to do what’s right. One to pay a debt and if the same happens again, giving us the opportunity to learn forgiveness if we failed at that before. Why some are born with nothing and others with so much? Why do we have the homeless, handicap, orphans, refugees, etc.? To be wealthy is an experience, eventually we will have to learn to use our wealth for the benefit of humanity. Extreme poverty is another experience, we will have to learn to not despair, to have faith, hope and use our intellect to better our situation. We all have to experience many different situations, to learn empathy, charity, tolerance and love. We are always going forward, never backwards. We could be stalling in the same place for as long as we choose, but eventually we will want to try harder by seeing the happiness of those who are progressing. There are many more details but I will leave it at that. Some people have asked in the past and in different ages and this information has been revealed through different channels and in different points of the globe. One person used the scientific method to gather it, and compile it in two volumes that are free to download online along with many others.

      www.sgny.org The Gospel and the Spirits’ book by Allan Kardec. There is also a great initiative among people of different beliefs who are working to establish one spiritual group that will include all beliefs of the people on earth.

      God does not speak to humanity only through the bible, and by no means it is the only spiritually inspired text, there are many and will be many more in the future. I believe that what shocks many who have posted here is that well intentioned Christians feel it is their duty to tell someone that is at peace and feels connected to the Supreme, that his or her experience must not be real or is “not of God”. Live the best you can and let others do the same, without judgments. Once I asked Jesus to save me, now I feel that Jesus came to let us know that we are all saved already we just need to know who we are and work to help each other move forward.

      I sincerely applaud you, the Baptists, the Pentecostals, the Jehovah witness, the later days saints, the wiccan, the pagan, the Jews, the Muslims and all those who seek only to do good, not harming anyone, who pray for humanity as a whole and for better understanding and peace among all. To those who send blessings to religious and political leaders so that only good inspire them. To those who work to unite their thoughts with the angels and the spiritually advanced souls collaborating with God in the perfect orchestration of this wonderful universe.

      Dear friend, I did not intend to write about all this, but I really wanted to try and follow your advice: “learn the scriptures, be one with the Holy Spirit driving you and go tell those who do not know, when you are ready”

      Let’s break this down. About the first recommendation: I cannot claim that I know all scriptures that have been written since ancient times, I believe those are the Vedas. But I do feel the Holy Spirit driving me always.

      Your second advice was definitely difficult because I know for sure that I’m not ready yet. But if that were the case, still, I do not think that I could be offering my opinion on Spirituality randomly. It would be only when asked or in a forum that claims Obama is the antichrist.

      History has proved us that religion, by the amount of lives it has claimed and terrible acts that have been committed in its name that we will not think alike; we will interpret differently. Since that is the case, what would be best? To keep on fostering division by saying I’m right and you’re wrong, or to move beyond that toward acceptance of others. None of us have a monopoly on truth, every corner of the earth and creed contributes a little bit for all humankind. Please, accept my invitation to a renewed world of one race – human, and one religion – love.

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      Viralprospector,

      Thank you for your kind advice. I could feel your honest good intentions when I read your reply. I grew up in the Baptist church, not because felt any external pressure to go, but out of my own devotion and faith. There I was involved in the choir and Sunday school. I also have close family directing a Pentecostal church for the past 30 years. During my high school years, when most of my friends were partying, I was praying, praising and singing with a small prayer circle at school. I cannot say that I ever had any bad experience when I was part of those evangelical Christian communities. On the contrary, I’m truly thankful for those experiences that helped me grow and evolved spiritually. But, my growth continued even after I decided to stop going to those groups. I just felt that, I had to keep on learning something that I was not getting there. I’m by no means criticizing people that stay satisfied inside Christian groups like those. Nor, I’m telling people that they should do what I did. Or that my path is the right path because I truly believe that there are infinite ways to experience God. In my journey I have been fortunate enough to learn about many other faiths, within and without Christian communities.

      Viralprospector, you say that my “conjecture is not biblical”, although you don’t specify which part exactly, I suppose you mean the whole post. Then you say, “I soundly reject it as wrong from my experience and knowledge, limited that that is.” That is perfectly well, we do not have to accept the realities of others as our own. If you feel so strong about it that means that you are right now in the perfect place where you need to be for your best spiritual advancement. I’m glad for you. That is the point exactly, that each of us has a different experience. Just look around at the many different Christian denominations we have out there. Most of them consider their beliefs the “right biblical” truth. As you see my spiritual beliefs, do not come from not knowing the bible, but from not interpreting the bible in the same way that you do. I only wrote about what I have found in my experience to fulfill all those gaps in a way that explains beautifully God’s justice and perfect love. I believe that nothing happens by chance. In my case, I soundly reject the idea that the Supreme creator, absolute omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience will leave to chance the meeting of the missionaries and the people of the Amazonian forest as in my earlier example. At the risk of sending an innocent person to eternal suffering because no one found him on time to tell them about Jesus. We know very well that these people exist in our world and missionaries do not reach many of these remote locations. I do not think this lady told me to think about myself and forget about that innocent person out of concern for me. Instead, she diverted my questioning because she did not have a rational explanation; at least not one that did not make God appear as a thoughtless, blind and irrational force.

      Religion and spirituality are two different things. Most Christian religions by virtue of the premise that we are all born sinners, evoke our primal fears. People feel guilty, blasphemous or even torment themselves with the thought that their faith might not be enough if they ever consider searching spirituality beyond established religions. But, why? God is not going to love us any less if we ask this type of questions and seek with an open heart. Instead, we will receive because we asked. He is not going to be offended by our honest search for truth if we feel there should be more than what established religion is able to explain.

      What if instead of sinners we come to earth only as inexperienced souls, spiritual children forever eternal with a Divine spark within. That spark is God essence (the Holy Spirit). Each person is a part of God, like the drop of sea water is to the sea, a small piece of sea that will eventually return to it again. Not only some drops will return, but ALL of them. The only difference is the speed of return. Some will have it easier and some will have it harder. But that only depends on each of us. If we were forced or coerced by guilt or fear, there would be no merit or opportunity to fulfill our potential and develop to the fullest. For that purpose we have our God given free will to make our own choices. The result of the choices we make each time we have the opportunity of a lifetime on earth is new learning and spiritual growth at a faster or slower rate. Every time we choose that which is right, to help and live selflessly, we better our condition the next time we come to the earth plane. How many times we come? We come as many times as necessary until we develop into highly evolved souls without the need to return. We might just want to help others that are still on the flesh or material body. Or we might want to help those that are newly arrived from earth. Instead of sinners (or guilty of wrong doing), we are diamonds in the rough. Each experience on earth peels off some of the outer layers of the diamond. Maybe, for some time, someone chooses to put on heavier layers of new dirty (sin), by making wrong choices, being the cause of pain, and the like. Others instead remain in an idle state indefinitely by being lazy and not actively seeking spiritual advancement to develop talents and virtues innate to all of us as children of God. If we do well or accomplish our mission during a lifetime, being kind and doing what is right, our awakening in the spiritual plane is one of joy. If the contrary is true the awakening will not be pleasant. Not because someone will punish us, we are punished by our own conscience because in the spiritual plane we will feel how we made others feel, and review within a new light the opportunities we missed, understanding the errors of our ways. We only keep the intuition of the lessons learned and pitfalls we should avoid, but we do not remember until we go to the spiritual plane again. This forgetting makes sure that we truly have the opportunity of reaching higher by our own merits and without any impediments. For example: If you recognize someone that did you or your love ones wrong in a previous existence, you would rather avoid that person, seek revenge, or you would be inclined to any other similar reactions. Without recollection, spirit will nudge us to interact with that person giving both a new opportunity to do what’s right. One to pay a debt and if the same happens again, giving us the opportunity to learn forgiveness if we failed at that before. Why some are born with nothing and others with so much? Why do we have the homeless, handicap, orphans, refugees, etc.? To be wealthy is an experience, eventually we will have to learn to use our wealth for the benefit of humanity. Extreme poverty is another experience, we will have to learn to not despair, to have faith, hope and use our intellect to better our situation. We all have to experience many different situations, to learn empathy, charity, tolerance and love. We are always going forward, never backwards. We could be stalling in the same place for as long as we choose, but eventually we will want to try harder by seeing the happiness of those who are progressing. There are many more details but I will leave it at that. Some people have asked in the past and in different ages and this information has been revealed through different channels and in different points of the globe. One person used the scientific method to gather it, and

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      Viralprospector,

      Thank you for your kind advice. I could feel your honest good intentions when I read your reply. I grew up in the Baptist church, not because felt any external pressure to go, but out of my own devotion and faith. There I was involved in the choir and Sunday school. I also have close family directing a Pentecostal church for the past 30 years. During my high school years, when most of my friends were partying, I was praying, praising and singing with a small prayer circle at school. I cannot say that I ever had any bad experience when I was part of those evangelical Christian communities. On the contrary, I’m truly thankful for those experiences that helped me grow and evolved spiritually. But, my growth continued even after I decided to stop going to those groups. I just felt that, I had to keep on learning something that I was not getting there. I’m by no means criticizing people that stay satisfied inside Christian groups like those. Nor, I’m telling people that they should do what I did. Or that my path is the right path because I truly believe that there are infinite ways to experience God. In my journey I have been fortunate enough to learn about many other faiths, within and without Christian communities.

      Viralprospector, you say that my “conjecture is not biblical”, although you don’t specify which part exactly, I suppose you mean the whole post. Then you say, “I soundly reject it as wrong from my experience and knowledge, limited that that is.” That is perfectly well, we do not have to accept the realities of others as our own. If you feel so strong about it that means that you are right now in the perfect place where you need to be for your best spiritual advancement. I’m glad for you. That is the point exactly, that each of us has a different experience. Just look around at the many different Christian denominations we have out there. Most of them consider their beliefs the “right biblical” truth. As you see my spiritual beliefs, do not come from not knowing the bible, but from not interpreting the bible in the same way that you do. I only wrote about what I have found in my experience to fulfill all those gaps in a way that explains beautifully God’s justice and perfect love. I believe that nothing happens by chance. In my case, I soundly reject the idea that the Supreme creator, absolute omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience will leave to chance the meeting of the missionaries and the people of the Amazonian forest as in my earlier example. At the risk of sending an innocent person to eternal suffering because no one found him on time to tell them about Jesus. We know very well that these people exist in our world and missionaries do not reach many of these remote locations. I do not think this lady told me to think about myself and forget about that innocent person out of concern for me. Instead, she diverted my questioning because she did not have a rational explanation; at least not one that did not make God appear as a thoughtless, blind and irrational force.

      Religion and spirituality are two different things. Most Christian religions by virtue of the premise that we are all born sinners, evoke our primal fears. People feel guilty, blasphemous or even torment themselves with the thought that their faith might not be enough if they ever consider searching spirituality beyond established religions. But, why? God is not going to love us any less if we ask this type of questions and seek with an open heart. Instead, we will receive because we asked. He is not going to be offended by our honest search for truth if we feel there should be more than what established religion is able to explain.

      What if instead of sinners we come to earth only as inexperienced souls, spiritual children forever eternal with a Divine spark within. That spark is God essence (the Holy Spirit). Each person is a part of God, like the drop of sea water is to the sea, a small piece of sea that will eventually return to it again. Not only some drops will return, but ALL of them. The only difference is the speed of return. Some will have it easier and some will have it harder. But that only depends on each of us. If we were forced or coerced by guilt or fear, there would be no merit or opportunity to fulfill our potential and develop to the fullest. For that purpose we have our God given free will to make our own choices. The result of the choices we make each time we have the opportunity of a lifetime on earth is new learning and spiritual growth at a faster or slower rate. Every time we choose that which is right, to help and live selflessly, we better our condition the next time we come to the earth plane. How many times we come? We come as many times as necessary until we develop into highly evolved souls without the need to return. We might just want to help others that are still on the flesh or material body. Or we might want to help those that are newly arrived from earth. Instead of sinners (or guilty of wrong doing), we are diamonds in the rough. Each experience on earth peels off some of the outer layers of the diamond. Maybe, for some time, someone chooses to put on heavier layers of new dirty (sin), by making wrong choices, being the cause of pain, and the like. Others instead remain in an idle state indefinitely by being lazy and not actively seeking spiritual advancement to develop talents and virtues innate to all of us as children of God. If we do well or accomplish our mission during a lifetime, being kind and doing what is right, our awakening in the spiritual plane is one of joy. If the contrary is true the awakening will not be pleasant. Not because someone will punish us, we are punished by our own conscience because in the spiritual plane we will feel how we made others feel, and review within a new light the opportunities we missed, understanding the errors of our ways. We only keep the intuition of the lessons learned and pit

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      All4light;

      I have often thought about the question you pose of what happens to those who do not know of Jesus.

      I believe that God has a perfect plan, that included. Perhaps He laid it on the heart of someone who is a Christian to take the word to them. Perhaps that is you. Perhaps that person is disobedient and did not follow the Holy Spirit to perform the work of the Lord. Much work is to be done, but the workers seem to be few.

      We are not privy to anything close to the perfect plan. We are supposed to individually perform the best actions we can to serve. Jesus' requirements of His disciples make it clear how to follow Him. I do not know answers to your all your questions, but I do know that much of your conjecture is not biblical. So, I soundly reject it as wrong from my experience and knowledge, limited that that is. You have to study the Bible to know what it means.

      So, I would agree with your friend who advises you to get yourself right. Without that, you are not as well prepared for service in the perfect plan. Faith without works is dead. So, learn the scriptures, be one with the Holy Spirit driving you and go tell those who do not know, when you are ready.

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      Countrywomen, Arkwriter, Paraglider, Amanda and others,

      The main two sides of this debate share the belief that we, humans have a Creator. This Creator made us intelligent, amazing beings, with great potential to learn and grow. Faith, should not defy common sense and logic. Actually, these three have to walk hand in hand. Once I asked a co-worker with ownership rights on “righteous” Christianity – “What will happen with the Amazon Indian that has never left the area and does not know of Jesus?” Her answer was: Forget the Amazon Indian and worry about yourself. How can anyone that understands the basic message that Jesus came here to teach us, (as well as other enlightened beings) believe in a God that would be so unjust, mean and cruel. To me that does not sound logic at all. Logic is God given, why would he want us to renounce it in the name of faith. No, logic and faith go together. That is why, every day science and spirituality keep on discovering more commonalities between one another.

      Some one else, earlier on the post mentioned, with good cause, all the alterations that through history the bible has suffer. Many things in the bible are outdated because they were written for the state of the society at that time. That is exactly the differences between the old and new testaments. Times and people changed when Jesus came and humanity will keep on growing and progressing because that is the purpose of life. Some argue that all reference to reincarnation in the bible was taken out by the Catholic Church, long before any of the protestant religions came to being. But that is another subject. The point is that logic as well as faith in the goodness of our Creator should tell us that inclusion is good, and condemnation is not good. Defies logic to take everything that is written in the bible in the literal sense neglecting the teachings, do unto others.. (or say onto others for that matter) and love thy neighbor as yourself. That includes our neighbors of ALL faiths.

      Saying that these views are the real Christianity is like some republicans on the campaign talking about the “real America”, when what America is today couldn’t have spoken more loudly and unmistakably than on Election Day.

      Yes, there are many that call themselves Christian and respect the beliefs of all religions because they all lead to the same place. Some people just need what that specific path provides for them at the moment. And that is fine and OK with God. We are ALL his children and he does not love a Christian more than a Jew, Hindu, Muslim or any other person. Yes, this is the school called earth. This is the real hell because this is one of the least evolved worlds where we find war, disease, chaos, people telling other people what to believe, accusing others of being the anti-Christ and so on.

      If this is a way that Obama thinks, (the acceptance of people of others beliefs) as it was exposed earlier, then I could not be prouder to be an American today. The results of the past elections give me hope for the future of this nation and for the future of this world that soon we will all reach a higher consciousness where unity and peace will be the rule, not the exception.

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      SirDent,

      Another Gospel kind of hits the nail on the head and drives home the point. The major problem is to many do not listen closely enough to what Jesus said in the four Gospels. It is the mind of the Spirit and Christ in us that clears up all the confusion in the churches and in pagan religions, 1 Corinthians 2:6-10 - We do however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. none of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, nor ear heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him", but God revealed it to us by his Spirit.

      Let this mind be in you that was in Jesus Christ, Phillipians 2:1-12.

      Lionswhelp

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      b4u2c 8 years ago from The Kingdom of God's Dear Son

      Lady G, I'm happy my previous comment hit the spot ;) I do love your passion.

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      arkwriter 8 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A.

      Dear Fellow Hubbers,

      Do you need another evidence to know whether or not Barack Hussein Obama is the Antichrist of the End Time?

      Please go to my new hub: 

      https://hubpages.com/misc/bowtogod

      May God bless you,

      Arkwriter

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Luke 17:20-21- Jesus said the Kingdom is within you. Yes, everyone has been given life starting with Adam and Eve. But the big damper is sin has entered into the picture. It is through sins deception that the saving grace of Christ can be hidden from us. Though we have a human spirit we do all have the possiblity of becoming part of the Kingdom of God. The potential is there. This human spirit needs that special incrediant that reveals what we are missing. How do we get it? Through Christ only. It does take a miracle from God the Father who is calling us to believe in His Son Jesus Christ. Now, the offer to a better understanding can become available to us. When you believe in Christ's sacrifice for you you must repent so you can receive that other important incredient to work in your mind. Of course I am speaking of the Holy Spirit. Here is where the Kingdom of God is finally planted in your spiritual heart & mind, Hebrews !0:15-17, John 3:3-8. The mind of the Spirit nurtures the human mind with the thoughts of God Isaiah 55:1-13. Up to this time every kind of good and evil is presented for us to choose. Most will eventually choose the evil ways without the Spirit of God, Jeremiah 17:9; Proverbs 14:12. This includes witchcraft and every other evil things done under the sun. This is a fact of human nature, however with the mind of Christ or the Holy Spirit we can discern the difference before we commit a sin. Human wisdom will not grasp how to overcome sin but will lust after it to the point it festers more evil thoughts and can even lead to demon possession, James 3:13-16. It is only through the wisdom that comes from the Holy Spirit that we can learn to overcome sin. All, that is everyone except Christ, have come short of God's glory, and without the Spirit of God you cannot please God, Romans 8:5-8. There is no way you can be God minded with the Kingdom of God or the Holy Spirit growing in you. You must be a listener and a doer, Jame 1:19-27. It is the overcomers that can be saved, Revelation 3:21-22 - To those that overcome, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. There is only one way you can have God's Kingdom in you, Zechariah 4:2- Not by might nor by power (your might or your own power) but by my Spirit, Ruach HaKodesh.

      Lionswhelp

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      The whole chapter in it's entirety for you and the specific vers is 21.

      Luke 17

      1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

      2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

      3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

      4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

      5And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.

      6And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

      7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?

      8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?

      9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

      10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

      11And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.

      12And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:

      13And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.

      14And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.

      15And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

      16And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

      17And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?

      18There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.

      19And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

      20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

      21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

      22And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

      23And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

      24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

      25But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

      26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

      27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

      28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

      29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

      30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

      31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

      32Remember Lot's wife.

      33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

      34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

      35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

      36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

      37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      Fine. The truth will come out one way or another..............FEAR is not the truth....

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      arkwriter 8 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A.

      Dear Fellow Hubbers,

      This is Arkwriter and the author of this hub.  I am responsible for approving and rejecting comments on this hub. 

      The comments may disagree with the contents of this hub but they must be respectful otherwise they will be rejected.

      I find the comments of two souls making the choice to be born and influencing the mother to abort is a downright evil doctrine of the devil.  I have rejected it forever.  I cannot allow false doctrines and teachings to infiltrate this hub.

      I encourage wholesome and healthful comments that are edifying to this community. 

      May God bless you.

      Arkwriter

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      VP wrote: ... Oh, maybe is he a minister? Blasphemy, anyone?

      LG says---now that is a silly game that I won't play. Condescending and all that crap!

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      You look it up.

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      SirDent 8 years ago

      I have stayed away from this hub for a few days. LG, show me where Jesus Christ taught what you posted. Then please go and read this hub.

      http://hubpages.com/hub/Another-Gospel

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      b4u2c;

      The crux of your last post is "for those who believe", in my opinion. The post tells some of what awaits them. While it does not specify in detail what those who believe exhibit and do, it shows some benefits to believe.

      It does leave out the part of what awaits those who do not believe, and that was your purpose, I suspect. That is, of course, fine to use the pull theory. It is a most valid tactic.

      However, I think I would write this point differently. "Any love that terminates on man is eventually destructive." No love is destructive. Love of our neighbor is simply secondary to love of God.

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      Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

      When I read the responses to this hub, I wonder whether too much attention is being given to the fine detail, and too little to the whole picture.

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      Lady G;

      I really was trying to be kind. However, how do you say someone is wrong in any kinder way?

      However, if that was just a "silly game", then let's just end the game with the unerring holy Word of God, the Bible. Here is direct Word of God that any Christian "minister" should understand. It is contained in the Bible, as lionswhelp already gave in one example. Arkwriter set the record straight in his post that you disagreed with, too, of course. He has maintained a steady course of biblical accuracy througout this hub. His objection to the translation of poisoner or administrator of drugs for farmakeia is accurate.

      While it does take concentration to undertand this, here is another use of the word that shows why the pharmacy/poisoning translation would not be logical. That passage is Galatians 5:19-21. (While it is irrelevent to my post, you often try to discredit scripture with erroneous cries of "wrong context". This context is to contrast the works of the flesh - which is verses 19-21 - with the works of the spirit which follow.)

      "Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, depravity,  idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish rivalries, dissensions, factions, envying, murder, drunkenness, carousing, and similar things. I am warning you, as I had warned you before: Those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God!"

      Wow, there is even an exclamation point (of course added by the translators). This was deemed so serious... Now, if you substitute poisoning or administering drugs in the sentence for sorcery, it would stick out as too specific and a mistranslation. That is why all majopr translations of the Bible are consistent in the treatment of that word. It would make the sentence illogical. What is most telling of this passage, though, Lady G., is that it shows your post to be 100% wrong. The occult is largely covered with idolatry and sorcery, and it is specifically stated that it will NOT be in the Kingdom of God.

      I think that is why you should quit misrepresenting the Word of God. People expect "ministers" to be teachers. While I did see that everyone can get a "minister's" license from the place you did for any reason, like Pagans or anything, people have a different perception of that. Denominational ministers, for example, have strict guidelines to fulfill, in many cases. The point of that is not to mislead others with your words.

      If I am wrong about this, what then does your "minister" designation mean for you to do? If it is not to teach, then I guess I miss the point. Why say you are a "minister"? We are conditioned to follow our teachers (ministers). Frankly, twisting the Bible leads people down the wrong path, the wide path. Saying the occult will be in the Kingdom of God is blasphemy of a very high order. So, I would not let it slide. I proved that with the passage above.

      Here is another scripture that troubles me about how you consistently misrepresent God's word. "

      Jesus said, "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we will be judged more strictly." James 3:1.

      Finally, your comment that precipitated my post to you;

      "Also if the Kingdom of God is WITHIN You then everything that is in you is the Kingdom of God---Your definition of Occult and all. They are in God's Kingdom weather you like it or not."

      In my opinion, in addition to being logically absurd, this is a clear exapmle of taking away from the Bible. Galatians 5:19-21 and Revelations 21:8 are parts of the Holy Bible. For you to try to discredit them, and call yourself a minister, leads me to the final verses I have for you to contemplate. It is in the last scriptures of the Holy Bible, Revelation 22:18-19;

      "I testify to the one who hears the words of the prophecy contained in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book."

      I have seen you say, over and over, that the Bible was mistranslated. Well, I know that you are a "minister", but those who translated the major translations of the Bible were Doctors of Theology and those with other very high credentials. Their positions in the established community of religion were paramount. Those people took this last passage seriously, I believe.

      These are not "silly games" after all, are they?

       

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      VP, I am not going to play your silly games.

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      Lady G;

      Jesus said the occult is in the Kingdon of God? Jesus Fernandez, maybe... Oh, maybe is he a minister? Blasphemy, anyone?

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      Well Jesus said it not I and go look it up if you dont beleive me. Can you do that!?

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      viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

      Lady G;

      "Also if the Kingdom of God is WITHIN You then everything that is in you is the Kingdom of God---Your definition of Occult and all. They are in God's Kingdom weather you like it or not."

      You have to be kidding me. That is highly illogical, being kind...

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      b4u2c, I truly do understand that and thank you for those words and feelings.

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      b4u2c 8 years ago from The Kingdom of God's Dear Son

      Do people go to the Grand Canyon to increase their self-esteem? Probably not. This is, at least, a hint that the deepest joys in life come not from savoring the self, but from seeing splendor. And in the end even the Grand Canyon will not do. We were made to enjoy God.

      People, for the most part, are bent to believe that they are central in the universe. How shall they be cured of this joy-destroying disease? Perhaps by hearing afresh how radically God-centered reality is according to the Bible.

      This is shocking. The love of God is not God's making much of us, but God's saving us from self-centeredness so that we can enjoy making much of Him forever. And our love to others is not our making much of them, but helping them to find satisfaction in making much of God. True love aims at satisfying people in the glory of God. Any love that terminates on man is eventually destructive. It does not lead people to the only lasting joy, namely, God. Love must be God-centered, or it is not true love; it leaves people without their final hope of joy.

      Take the cross of Christ, for example. The death of Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of divine love: "God demonstrates his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). Yet the Bible also says that the aim of the death of Christ was "to demonstrate [God's] righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed" (Romans 3:25). Passing over sins creates a huge problem for the righteousness of God. It makes him look like a judge who lets criminals go free without punishment. In other words, the mercy of God puts the justice of God in jeopardy.

      So to vindicate his justice he does the unthinkable – he puts his Son to death as the substitute penalty for our sins. The cross makes it plain to everyone that God does not sweep evil under the rug of the universe. He punishes it in Jesus for those who believe.

      But notice that this ultimately loving act has at the center of it the vindication of the righteousness of God.  Calvary love is God-glorifying love. Jesus Christ exalts God at the cross and visa versa. If God had not done it this way He could not be just and rescue us from sin. But it is a mistake to say, "Well, if the aim was to rescue us, then we were the ultimate goal of the cross." No, we were rescued from sin in order that we might see and savor the glory of God. This is the ultimately loving aim of Christ's death. The primary reason for his death was not to make much of us, but to free us to enjoy making much of God forever.

      It is profoundly wrong to turn the cross into a proof that self-esteem is the root of mental health. If I stand before the love of God and do not feel a healthy, satisfying, freeing joy, unless I turn my self-esteem into an echo of that love, then I am like a man who stands before the Grand Canyon and feels no satisfying wonder until he translates the canyon into a case for his own significance. That is not the presence of mental health, but bondage to self.

      The cure for this bondage is to see that God is the one being in the universe for whom self-exaltation is the most loving act. In exalting Himself – Grand Canyon-like – He gets the glory and we get the joy. One of the coolest points in the gospel is that there is no final conflict between our passion for joy and God's passion for His glory. The knot that ties these together is the truth that God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. Jesus Christ died and rose again to give forgiveness for the treason of our souls, which had been turned from savoring God to savoring self. In the cross of Christ, God rescues us from the house of mirrors and leads us out to the mountains and canyons of His majesty. Nothing satisfies us – or magnifies him – more.

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      What is your definition of a wtich sir whelp?

      Is it those who make drugs--well you have the pharmceuticals that do that.

      Is it that they know about how to treat diseases of the body by herbs?  Well there again you have the phamiceuticals and many Physicians.  You all need to get out of the 12th century and into this century.

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Oh, by the way. Their are many male witches that practice the craft today. They to would need to be put death. Actually men have taken over most of the leadership duties like writing and teaching. There is hope once Jesus Christ returns. Even witches can repent. Until then this world still abounds with all kinds of evil doers. Done of these things will be allowed in God's Kingdom, Revelations 21:6-8 - He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To they who are thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. he who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my Children. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, the sexually immoral, those that practice magiic arts(witch craft), the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

      Lionswhelp

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I'm surprised that Ark's name wasn't mentioned in a November article in Harper's Magazine entitled "Useful Amateurs--How the Smearing of Barack Obama Got Crowd Sourced" by Ken Silverstein. HubPages own Ark deserved to have included in Silverstein's article along with the other merchants of misinformation  and slime about Obama such as Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons (major donor to the swiftboating campaign against John Kerry), Lee Habeeb, producer of "The Laura Ingraham Show," Floyd Brown producer of the famed 1988 Willie Horton TV ad against Dukakis, Paul Villareal who produced a video casting Obama as an "agent of Islam," and Jason Mitchell, a self-described "Christian supremacist. The anti-Obama industry has included numerous videos purporting to demonstrate that the president-elect is in fact the Antichrist.

      Fortunately for us all, the mudslinging, lies and innuendo such as the crapola in this Hub didn't work, and we will soon have a new and much better president in the White House.

      http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/11/0082258

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      Want to Know what a Cutl realy is then visit my hu: http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Churchs-Techniques-In-...

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      1 Corinthians 12

      1And concerning the spiritual things, brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant;

      2ye have known that ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;

      3wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

      4And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;

      5and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;

      6and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.

      7And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;

      8for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;

      9and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit;

      10and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another [divers] kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:

      11and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.

      12For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ,

      13for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink,

      14for also the body is not one member, but many;

      15if the foot may say, `Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body;

      16and if the ear may say, `Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body?

      17If the whole body [were] an eye, where the hearing? if the whole hearing, where the smelling?

      18and now, God did set the members each one of them in the body, according as He willed,

      19and if all were one member, where the body?

      20and now, indeed, [are] many members, and one body;

      21and an eye is not able to say to the hand, `I have no need of thee;' nor again the head to the feet, `I have no need of you.'

      22But much more the members of the body which seem to be more infirm are necessary,

      23and those that we think to be less honourable of the body, around these we put more abundant honour, and our unseemly things have seemliness more abundant,

      24and our seemly things have no need; but God did temper the body together, to the lacking part having given more abundant honour,

      25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same anxiety for one another,

      26and whether one member doth suffer, suffer with [it] do all the members, or one member is glorified, rejoice with [it] do all the members;

      27and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

      28And some, indeed, did God set in the assembly, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, afterwards powers, afterwards gifts of healings, helpings, governings, divers kinds of tongues;

      29[are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all powers?

      30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

      31and desire earnestly the better gifts; and yet a far excelling way do I shew to you:

      Also if the Kingdom of God is WITHIN You then everything that is in you is the Kingdom of God---Your definition of Occult and all. They are in God's Kingdom weather you like it or not.

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      Debra Allen 8 years ago from West By God

      Arkwriter, You are wrong. Not all miracles are in that Bible and we don't know which ones and what they were. You cannot go by just the few that are in that Bible and at that mistranslated into something the gentiles could only understand.

      God blesses everyone----

      I got to ask you ---When in Mathew it clearly states that Jesus was a Nazarene and all his teaching are from there--why are they not included in the ile and also thought of a heresy? Would that not say that Jesus's teachings and learning was a lie--because that is what Heresy means.

      Aslo don't use verses out of context. What one sentece says may be totally differnt in the whole of the paragrah or story. The least you culd do is RESPECT the words of Jesus enough to use his whole thought and not just a small part of it.

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      arkwriter 8 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A.

      Dear mistyhorizon2003,

      You wrote: "I firmly believe in God, truly, and feel that he also created reincarnation for a good reason."

      My response:  God has firmly established His will in the Holy Bible. "God, who at various times and in different ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the worlds." (Heb. 1:1-2) 

      If God had "created reincarnation" as you firmly believe then He would have stated it very clearly in His word - the Holy Bible.  Not one word in the Old Testament and not one word in the New Testament about reincarnation.  Besides, the Holy Bible states very firmly: "And it is appointed for men to die once, but after that the judgment." (Heb. 9:27).  Humans that are created by God live a life only once and die only once.  They do not die and recycle their lives as another human being or even become an animal or an insect that has no spirit or soul. 

      The concept of reincarnation is completely incompatible with Christianity.  It undermines the Christian doctrine of the atonement by the Lord Jesus Christ who died in man's stead.  In reincarnation man tries to live a good life by himself so that he can become a better person in the next life. 

      In Christianity man is a sinner and is lost. God loves man so that He came to this earth as the Lord Jesus Christ to save man from sin by dying on the Cross and shedding His precious blood. Salvation is by the Lord Jesus Christ and in Him alone. There is only One True God, One Lord and One Savior. Believe in Him alone and you will be saved.

      You keep on repeating a single verse in scripture "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Ex. 22:18) and claim that "witch" should be translated as "prisoner".  I do not know where you get your translation

      In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in today's English usage for this verse. Here are the different versions of the Bible.  None of them translate the word m'khashepah as "prisoner". 

      Various Biblical translations render this verse as:

      American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live." The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.

      Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.

      Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.

      James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.

      Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.

      King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

      Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.

      Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.

      New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.

      New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.

      New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.

      New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.

      New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.

      New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.

      New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive. The Promise:

      Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for witchcraft.

      Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

      Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.

      All the above Bible versions are consistent in their translations of the Hebrew word "m'khashepah" as witch or sorceress. Your translation of "prisoner" has no merit at all.

       

      Regarding your stories about people who remember things in their past life may have been possessed by demonic spirits that also know people who have lived past lifes and related them.  The devil deceives people to believe in reincarnation which is a false belief.

      You wrote you cannot recall any movie star that believes in reincarnation.  You must have seen, heard or read about Shirley McClain and Glenn Ford who talked a lot about reincarnation.

      Mistyhorizon2003, you just cannot mix Christianity with the occult.  It is not only dangerous but very deadly and it leads people to destruction and hell. 

      May God bless you.

      Arkwriter

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Hi Lionswhelp, this still doesn't answer the question and examples I asked about and gave though?

      I firmly believe in God, truly, and feel that he also created reincarnation for a good reason.

      I also still mantain that much of the Bible is reworded and mistranslated, mainly by King James, e.g. 'Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live', being originally 'Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live'.

      These facts cannot be ignored, and if it is acknowledged that these parts were altered, then who is to say other parts weren't also altered to man's ends?

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Misty,

      The workings and doctrines of men have tried to reword different parts of the Bible. But all in all the Holy Scriptures are intact for what is needed now. It really takes the Holy Spirit in us to give us the discernment to understand it, 1 Corinthians 2:9-16- God reveals these things to us by the Holy Spirit.

      It goes to show why there are so many different Churches with different understandings as to what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, but all scripture is given from inspiration from God, or God breathed for our own good for teaching, correcting and training in righteousness so that we may well grounded in it, 2 Timothy 3:16.

      Lioinswhelp

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      I have to ask this, and please forgive me for doing so Arkwriter, but if Reincarnation is so false, then why do so many have 'memories' of past lives?

      Also, how do you explain cases where young children have described in great detail places they have never visited, and outside of their own villages, only to ultimately be taken there and their descriptions proved to be accurate?

      I saw one particular case where a child claimed for many months she remembered she had been locked in a cellar below a barn in a previous life. Eventually her parents and a TV crew took her to the vicinity of where she claimed this had happened. She found a track that neither her or her Mother had ever been down before, and led the crew and her mother down it. Eventually they found a barn, and when they ventured inside they discovered a trapdoor covered in ancient straw, and below it, a cellar perfectly fitting the description she had provided of her past life.

      Another case involved a young boy who was certain his parents were not his parents, and that his former Wife and children lived in a neighbouring village. He would get really angry with his current 'parents; for treating him as a child when he felt like an adult. Eventually the 'parents' took him to the neighbouring village to meet his 'family' and he easily convinced them he was the Husband/Father they had lost. The former 'Wife' was in tears, but was completely convinced he was her late Husband. He could describe how he died, and knew his children's names, and recognised their photos, even though he had never been to this village before. It was amazing to watch.

      To say these beliefs and religions have been popularised by 'Movie Stars' is totally untrue, and based on supposition rather than actual knowledge. Personally, I cannot think of one movie star that I could quote as following these beliefs, although there are no doubt many, just as there are many average religious humans who also believe in this.

      I am sure God does love us, but that does not mean reincarnation was not a part of his plan for us to spiritually advance, and arguing it using scripture does not really make a case, as who really knows who wrote that scripture, or altered it in the first place? It is already proven as fact that many words in the Bible have been altered, e.g. King James versions. Who knows what else has been reworded if we are honest with ourselves??

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Good job Arkwriter!

      Contoversy is what present day Christians are about. Since most of "Christianity" is pagan to the 'core' along with all the other pagans religions. Some who do know the truth but have become complacent in the USA and elsewhere, someone needs to wake them up.

      Jesus was not kidding about having our lamps lit and having extra oil so we do not run out. Some do not have much oil at all, Matthew 25:1-13. Even the very elect can be deceived if possible, Matthew 24:24-25. This is why there will be a Laodicean Church, Revelation 3:14-22. Some have let down their guard and have even returned to wallow in the mire of religious confusion, 2 Peter 2:1-3,17-22. That's okay Christ will give them a chance to redeem themselves.

      Christ's little flock is in the world to warn everyone to stay awake and come out of the main false pagan religions that mascarades as "Christian" but really have their roots in all the Babylonian pagan churches of today including New Age, Revelation 18::4, 2 Corinthians 11:4. The blind lead the blind and will fall into the ditch of religious deception, Matthew 15:12-14, Revelation 12:9.

      Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophesies with contempt. Test everything. Hold unto the good. Avoid every kind of evil. May God Himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of out Lord Jesus Christ. The One who calls you is faithful and He will do it, 1 Thessalonian 5:19-24.

      The Lionswhelp

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      arkwriter 8 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A.

      Dear Fellow Hubbers,

      There is only One True God - YAHWEH, and besides Him there is no one else.  The Lord Jesus Christ prayed: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." (Jn. 17:3).  Jesus also said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me." (Jn. 14:6) There is only One Way of salvation and that is going through the Lord Jesus Christ.  "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

      God is love.  "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not sent His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.  He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believee in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (Jn. 3:16-18)

      God's love is not opening a broad way for every religion on earth to lead one to salvation.  The Lord Jesus Christ has this warning.  "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it." (Mt. 7:13) The "broad way of salvation" is preached by Oprah Winfrey and Barack Hussein Obama. Click on the URL:-

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/oprahobam

      We are living in the End Time and the Lord Jesus Christ is returning.  God has told us in the Scriptures the Antichrist - the lawless one would be revealed.  "The coming of the lawless one is according to to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.  they they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thess. 2:9-12)

      Reincarnation is false concept of Hinduism, Buddhism and the New Age Movement.  This mixture of religion has been popularized by movie stars. 

      The Holy Bible states very clearly: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation." (Heb. 9:27-28)

      The Lord Jesus Christ declared: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (Jn. 5:24)  "Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life.  He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.  And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.  Do you believe this?" (Jn. 11:25-26)

      I urge those who believe in reincarnation to drop this false concept and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.  The reason why some of you have come to this hub is because God loves you and wants to save you.  "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man (Jesus Christ) whom He has ordained.  He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." (Acts 17:30-31)

      "So they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:31)

      May God bless you

      Arkwriter

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      josephdiego 8 years ago from Eastern Long Island , New York

      Can you all please take a moment and read the comments I posted before this one. May you all be Blessed.

      Peace, Love, Health, Happiness and Lavish Abundance... JosephDiego

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Sorry, you are wrong, 'FindingmyZen!'

      I know many Pagans who believe in Christ, if not as the Son of God, as a Great Prophet. We don't necessarily believe in Hell, but we do believe in an afterlife where a God or Great Spirit will take care of us and be grateful for our care of his creatures and his planet in life.

      What you may be getting confused with is whether we take the exact word of the Bible today as accurate, mainly because many of us, (if not most), believe it to be simply a book, that is quoted constantly to act as 'evidence' of Christ / God's word. Most of us see that there is too much room for error in mistranslation and word of mouth before it was written down, for it to be a totally reliable source of information.

      I can only assume from your comment you are not a Pagan yourself, otherwise you would know this. You may also be getting modern day Paganism mixed up with the older Celtic Paganism, and also assuming we worship multiple Gods and Goddesses today, (again, which most of us don't!).

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      findingmyzen 8 years ago

      Someone that claims themselves Pagan doesn't believe in Christ, because Pagan falls into Gods/Goddesses, bascially new age from Celtics. In the world of Pagan it is about Nature and nurturing nature and being one with the earth. There is no heaven, no hell, no one single god nor a devil.

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      Cindy Lawson 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks Lionswhelp, I always try to do the best I can do, and it is truly important to me to be reunited with my lost pets, and to believe all animals have place in Heaven. I personally am convinced they are already there, rather than waiting in graves, and I also believe being cremated is not a problem (and good job too as the planet would quickly run out of space if everyone opted to be buried).

      Even as a Pagan by religion, I do believe in Christ, but also believe our way of looking after and loving the planet is as he intended, and we are honouring his wishes.

      Thank you.

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Well, not quite Countrywomen & Misty. All are still in the grave as far as Solomon knew in his day. I have five dogs and one cat now. We have had to bury others that died or were killed by accidents down through the years. I know that Disney movie said all dogs go to heaven. Well in a sense that is true because God counts every sparrow that falls dead to the ground,Matthew 10:29-31..

      We humans are more valuable that birds, dogs and cats. It is our souls or spirit in us that returns to God, even that of animals, Ecclesiates 3:17-22.. God keeps the records of each and everything created. God loved us humans so much that Jesus died for us humans. This doesn't mean that he will only accept humans. God's grand purpose for us is Eternal life. In Their kingdom without pain, sin or death. I'm sure if you want old Rover back or that favorite cat or bird that gave you so much joy in life, it can be restored to you as be part of your life forever. As your friends even though they still will be spirit animals. God will not destroy the things that are good but only the evil things.

      Think about it If God is going to change the nature of animals to be peaceful during the Millenium and that they will eat straw instead of each other and humans. There is just nothing good that God will withhold from us as long as it is part of His will, Isaiah 11:6-16.

      Both my mother and father were cremated instead of being buried in hell or the ground. Flesh in the grave also deteriorates over time. This is no problem for God because he has your soul or spirit tape that has you recorded in the book of life, Revelation 20;12-13. If you lived and never understood who God really is, this will be the time of understanding and knowledge for most humans. Satan the devil will no longer be around to deceive you.

      Though some think that the life we live today is the only time to be saved, well they are wrong. This includes a lot of Christians that believe contrary to God's written Way. that now is the only day of salvation.

      They are wrong of course because they never understood God's plan of salvation which is recorded in Leviticus 23, and many other Old Testament and New Testament writtings for us. Yes, happy days are ahead for us humans. Satan knows his time is short and will try the best that he can to deceive and destroy us, but he will fail. You can wait until Christ returns, you may have not choice in the matter now but if you are seeking, asking, and knocking there is a good possiblity the door can be opened to you. Most humans just have not understood this "Way" of God, John 14:6-7.

      I don't know if you are called now or not. But God does! I personally prefer to be called now since I had been seeking the truth all these years. It will be a lot easier after Christ returns, but the First resurrection is the better one. No pain no gain, Revelation 20:4-6.

      Spiritual warfare against Satan and his band of demons is no fun to overcome but it is required now. It is hard to put a price on Eternal life. Well, God the Father loved us so much he bought our lives back from Satan's deceptions through Jesus the Christ, John 3:16-21; Revelation 12:9. Jesus as God is more valuable then all of us put together, John 1:1-5, Hebrews 1:5-14

      Hang in there for now and do the best that you can.

      God loves us all,

      The Lionswhelp

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      lionswhelp 8 years ago

      Well, not quite Countrywomen & Misty. All are still in the grave as far as Solomon knew in his day. I have five dogs and one cat now. We have had to bury others that died or were killed by accidents down through the years. I know that Disney movie said all dogs go to heaven. Well in a sense that is true because God counts every sparrow that falls dead to the ground,Matthew 10:29-31..

      We humans are more valuable that birds, dogs and cats. It is our souls or spirit in us that returns to God, even that of animals, Ecclesiates 3:17-22.. God keeps the records of each and everything created. God loved us humans so much that Jesus died for us humans. This doesn't mean that he will only accept humans. God's grand purpose for us is Eternal life. In Their kingdom without pain, sin or death. I'm sure if you want old Rover back or that favorite cat or bird that gave you so much joy in life, it can be restored to you as be part of your life forever. As your friends even though they still will be spirit animals. God will not destroy the things that are good but only the evil things.

      Think about it If God is going to change the nature of animals to be peaceful during the Millenium and that they will eat straw instead of each other and humans. There is just nothing good that God will withhold from us as long as it is part of His will, Isaiah 11:6-16.

      Both my mother and father were cremated instead of being buried in hell or the ground. Flesh in the grave also deteriorates over time. This is no problem for God because he has your soul or spirit tape that has you recorded in the book of life, Revelation 20;12-13. If you lived and never understood who God really is, this will be the time of understanding and knowledge for most humans. Satan the devil will no longer be around to deceive you.

      Though some think that the life we live today is the only time to be saved, well they are wrong. This includes a lot of Christians that believe contrary to God's written Way. that now is the only day of salvation.

      They are wrong of course because they never understood God's plan of salvation which is recorded in Leviticus 23, and many other Old Testament and New Testament writtings for us. Yes, happy days are ahead for us humans. Satan knows his time is short and will try the best that he can to deceive and destroy us, but he will fail. You can wait until Christ returns, you may have not choice in the matter now but if you are seeking, asking, and knocking there is a good possiblity the door can be opened to you. Most humans just have not understood this "Way" of God, John 14:6-7.

      I don't know if you are called now or not. But God does! I personally prefer to be called now since I had been seeking the truth all these years. It will be a lot easier after Christ returns, but the First resurrection is the better one. No pain no gain, Revelation 20:4-6.

      Spiritual warfare against Satan and his band of demons is no fun to overcome but it is required now. It is hard to put a price on Eternal life. Well, God the Father loved us so much he bought our lives back from Satan's deceptions through Jesus the Christ, John 3:16-21; Revelation 12:9. Jesus as God is more valuable then all of us put together, John 1:1-5, Hebrews 1:5-14

      Hang in there for now and do the best that you can.

      God loves us all,

      The Lionswhelp

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      findingmyzen 8 years ago

      I hate when the comments don't go through......

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      findingmyzen 8 years ago

      The passion of the Christ tried to depict a great happening from the bible and while I have to admit it was much more than I thought it was, I would go and watch it again. Also about the reincarnation, I used to be a heavy believer in that, I have had several strange dreams that I cannot recall, but they seemed so familiar, not to mention I have been in the Astral Plane once many years ago, but alas I was kicked out by a spirit because I did not belong there, lol. Reincarnation can explain many events of people and animals as well. But in the recent years I have fallen out of that idea. I believe only what I have seen and I surely have not seen the so called "rapture" No one has dissapeared mysteriously. I believe the idea of the bible was to somehow give us a sense of how we got here and everyone claims "have faith in the lord", for god sakes have faith in yourself, you don't need a higher power to make yourself into a better person. I wish HUBPAGES would take down this article of Obama being an anti-christ. It's rediculous.

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      b4u2c 8 years ago from The Kingdom of God's Dear Son

      Has anyone here seen “The Passion of Christ”?  If so, do you remember when it was that Jesus (the "Messiah" character in the movie) said, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do?” I think it was when he was hanging there from the cross, brutally beaten, spat upon, mocked, despised, rejected, humiliated and about to die. Because I remember thinking, "Wow! The wrong guy is nailed to that cross, that isn't fair - God isn't fair."  But then I thought, "OH MY! That isn't fair to God and to Christ." And then I thought, "Holy shit! God's love is really big!"

       

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      Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

      Joseph

      Both your hubs are well worth reading, and make a VERY pleasant change from the misery and gloom that is the the bread and meat of this hub!

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      josephdiego 8 years ago from Eastern Long Island , New York

      Oh Yeah, I forgot. I’m still hearing many Obama Jokes. https://hubpages.com/misc/NoMoreBarackObamaJokesPl...

      Change is good, read his books. If you don’t know the man, find out what he’s all about. I think many people are stuck on his color, not on the man. All I know is. That, I stood behind Bush all of the way. Out of respect. To me it wasn’t about you or me voting on a person. The decision was made by the United States of America, and I support The U.S.A. all of the way…

      Peace, Love, Life, Health, Happiness and Massive Success…. JosephDiego

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      josephdiego 8 years ago from Eastern Long Island , New York

      Give me a freakin break, don't people have anything to do but tear people apart. Keep on looking for the anti whatever you will find em. Seek and you will find. Instead of looking for the bad in people why can't we look for the good or GOD! That way if I find good/God I will have it by my side, so I can deal better with these anti-whatever people.

      Come on guys what a waste of energy on negative B-S. Let’s put that same energy towards helping, understanding and loving one another.

      I did not waste my time reading this article; I just glanced through the bullets. I let the smart guys like t.keely read this type of stuff he might understand it. "Nothing personal brother"

      What I'm saying is, I don't know about this stuff and I don't care to know. When it comes to this stuff you can keep it.

      I'd rather focus on the good, right, clean and pure love. I'm sorry, I was part of the negative and that brought me nothing but pain, distrust, anger, hate and wretchedness. Been there done it, you can keep it!

      Just look at how many people feed into this stuff, Just take a count.

      Now take a look at my hub which is about loving and caring about your fellow brothers and sisters on this world. I'll bet anybody that buy the end of the month, I won't have a 1/4 of the traffic as this hub.... Why is that? https://hubpages.com/misc/Why-are-there-people-in-...

      But that’s OK, because I know that if or when I meet my creator. I am not going to be judged by what everybody else does. I will be judged by my thoughts and actions.

      So I'll just make sure that my side of the street is clean, and if you need some help with yours, let me know I'll be there for you.

      Peace, Love, Life, Health, Happiness and the antichrist can kiss my a- -. Opps sorry got carried away... God bless the antichrist. "That was the Old me coming back out....Sorry... I still Love ya... JosephDiego

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      Shalini Kagal 8 years ago from India

      I think Gold Writer's made a valid point: if the antichrist is here, doesn't that mean one step closer to the final day? Then what are those who are supposed to have been a part of the bride or the pre-trib rapture doing here? Been left behind???? Maybe we'll hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth soon!

      Not squeak TOF, LOL!!!

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      (Damned computer's got the hiccups, perhaps it's suffering from Satanic possession. And CW, dat aint a cat, dat am a fat little mouse. Squeak bloody Squeak!

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      Countrywomen, Amanda et al, I don't believe in reincarnation. I used to, but that was in another life.

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      Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

      Thanks CW,

      I actually read Terence's hub a while back, but it's a great hub, and certainly worth re-reading. I don't think there's sufficient detail in my memories to weave an entire hub about, but you've certainly set me thinking!

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      countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

      Amanda - Well I guess you can write a hub about your reincarnation experiences. There have been many real life experiences, medical journals and so on in this regard. Here is a hub that suggests such a possibility for people who aren't aware of this eastern concept: https://hubpages.com/education/Reincarnation-myth-

      Whether you will be beyond the pale Iam not sure....hehe

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      Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

      Hi CW

      I also believe in re-incarnation, as I have had some quite specific past-life memories, and I know other people who have had a similar experience. No doubt that will definitely put me beyond the pale with others following this hub! (LOL!)