I Want to Read Your Hub

Let me let you in on a little secret:

I want to read your hub. I follow over 1,000 hubbers and never have fewer than 1500 e mails from Hubpages informing me of comments I need to respond to, or new articles I need to read. Additionally, as a student, freelance writer and editor, my time is limited. On Hubpages, I'm going to read things that interest me. That's it. I need to be selective.

As of this writing, I’m a Level 8 commentator. I love to share good hubs with my followers (and with over 500 followers, this means more reads for you). I follow anyone who leaves a good, thoughtful comment on my hubs. So, let me let you in on another little secret: You want me to read your hub.

So, how can you ensure I do? Well, keep reading.

Technology, health, fitness and science Hubs bore me

Unless your hub is about how I can increase hub views or income, I likely won’t read your hub if it’s on these topics. Of course, google adsense and search engines love these topics so you’ll have plenty of readers on these subjects… you just won’t have me. They're not bad topics for hubs, they just don't interest me. I prefer to learn about science from television or by application.

Use words properly

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve stopped reading a hub because of the misuse of words. The ones I see most often are these: Breath for breathe, your for you’re, bath for bathe, looser for loser, etc. If you don’t have enough pride in your work to use words properly, I don’t have any interest in reading your work. I’ll forgive these once or twice, but, more than that, it’s a trend and you'll need to consult a dictionary before you publish another hub, and I likely won’t be interested in reading it.

For instance, "I was out of breathe" is incorrect. "I was out of breath" is correct.

"Your a dork" is not correct. "You're a dork is."

Use proper grammar

I’m more lenient with this on poems and stories, as long as it’s evident to me that you are conscious of breaking the rules. I’m not referring to obvious typos. These things happen and I trust that you will catch and fix these after a few edits. Mistakes happen, but mistakes and habits are two different things. I’m talking about those who say “who” instead of “whom”, “is” instead of “are”, use commas instead of periods, etc. Do a little research or consult the Little Brown Book for grammar tips. I keep a spiral Little Brown Book on my desk at all times and I consult it often.

Please note, I’m not talking about style, I’m talking about butchering basic grammar. I know I'm guilty of this at times, so I'm speaking to the choir!


here's a great hub on Grammar... with a quiz!

Use white space

There is nothing worse than a big, blocky hub with long, forbidding paragraphs. I don't like how it looks and may decide to skip reading your hub without reading one word. I don’t mind reading long hubs, but if you’re going to write long paragraphs, you’re going to lose my interest. Odds are, you could cut your paragraph into two paragraphs, create shorter sentences and utilize more white space. This is especially important on long hubs. I. Like. Short. Con.Cise. Sen.Ten.Ces.

White space can also make longer hubs not seem as long. It's a perception thing. I don't want to drown in an ocean of words.

For a great example of how to use white space effectively, check out this hub by Martie Coester

Not returning comments makes me very angry.
Not returning comments makes me very angry. | Source

Not returning comments

Hub Pages is a community and it's as much about relationships as it is about writing and earning a paycheck. If I take the time to leave a thoughtful comment on your hub, you should return it. If you don’t, I’m going to be annoyed and, more than that, I likely won’t go back to your page or reading any more of your hubs. Responding to a comment sends me a notification and reminds me that you have a Hubpage and maybe I should check it out. Responding to those who leave comments on your pages is not only polite, it's also a way to increase readership. Plus, it’s rude as hell not to respond.

I try to always respond to every comment on my hubs within 24 hours.

Really long poems or stories

Poems longer than 250 words are too wordy for my taste, and likely won’t be read unless you’re the world’s best poet. Less is more. Stories longer than 750 words should be broken up into several hubs. if you are serializing a hub, please let your readers’ know up front how many sections there are. It’s easier for me to remain interested in your story and retain info if each edition of your story is short, and if I know how much further I have to read. I never start a book without checking the number of pages. Ditto your hubs. Plus, if you spread it out over several days, you will have people anticipating the release and will gain reads and more views.

That being said, sometimes a story or essay won't be served well by being short or cut up. That's where the use of white space, multimedia (such as videos, photographs and maps) can come in handy. Also, dividing a long story into sections with easily identifiable headings will help. This article I wrote about Kurt Cobain, for example, is rather long, but, it has been divided into several short sections using videos and section headings. It's much less scary to look at then an unbroken wall of solid text.

Write poems and stories

These are my favorite thing to read on Hubpages and the first thing I look for when perusing your profile. Again, this is just a personal preference.


Thanks for reading. Happy Hubbing!


Odds are there is a typo or poor use of grammar in this hub. These are bad habits for me. No need to point it out in the comment section. I will catch it on my tenth proofread.


Thanks for Reading.

A FREELANCE WRITER, HONORS STUDENT AND GOVER PRIZE FINALIST, JUSTIN W. PRICE (AKA, PDXKARAOKEGUY)IS A POET, SHORT STORY, BIOGRAPHY AND HUMOR WRITER. HIS POETRY COLLECTION, DIGGING TO CHINA, WAS RELEASED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2013 BY SWEATSHOPPE PUBLICATIONS AND IS AVAILABLE ON AMAZON.COM, BARNES AND NOBLE AND THROUGH YOUR LOCAL BOOKSELLER.

HIS WORK WILL ALSO BE FEATURED IN BEST NEW Writing (2014 EDITION), AND HAS APPEARED PREVIOUSLY IN THE RUSTY NAIL, EFICTION, THE CRISIS CHRONICLES, THE HELLROARING REVIEW, BURNINGWORD, THE WHISTLING FIRE, SEE SPOT RUN ANDTHE BELLWETHER REVIEW.

HE WORKS AS A FREELANCE WRITER, EDITOR, AND GHOST WRITER, AND IS WORKING TOWARDS HIS PH.D. HE LIVES IN A SUBURB OF PORTLAND, OREGON WITH HIS WIFE, ANDREA, THEIR LABRADOODLE, BELLA, SCHNOODLE, SAUVEE AND BLACK MOOR GOLDFISH, HOWARD WOLOWITZ.

What is your biggest pet peeve with hubs?

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RTalloni 23 months ago from the short journey

Touched a nerve here, me thinks.

Many in the community agree that being charitable regarding each other's mistakes is the best attitude to maintain, but it is important for all to keep the writes' rights and wrongs in mind. :)


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easylearningweb 24 months ago

Impressive amount of comments and interesting hub! I don't think I have seen a hub with this many comments..good job and keeping everyone engaged. I'll review your hub links for more ideas. I'm in the midst of the 30 hub challenge so this is timely, thanks for all your tips and ideas. :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 2 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks runningman and welcome to Hubpages!


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therunningman 2 years ago from Rhode Island

I'm new to Hubpages and found this extremely helpful, clearly I have a lot to work on. Thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough review.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Gypsy. I just picked up a gig as a managing editor for efiction magazine so I have even less time. The less time I have, the less hubs I can read, which makes these points all the more crucial :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks, Jager. That is the key, certainly :-)


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Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Almost couldn't find the end of the line to comment. Voted up and interesting. I always make sure I check with the grammar checker before I post. I also get a lot of e-mail of course not as much as you but right now I can still look at most hubs and I try to read as many as I can and yes there are some on topics which don't interest me at all but right now not many and leave thoughtful comments as well. So your points are well noted and thanks for sharing. Love the picture of that baby. lol


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jagerfoods 4 years ago from South Carolina, USA

You've hit the jack pot! It always amazes me how we over look the obvious. The skill of writing about useful content but the art itself. How else can we really engage other readers? It seems I really have to force myself to read more and write less.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ana, I agree with your points. It's one everyone should take to heart... and it's a great reminder to me to proofread, proofread, proofread :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

mymindseye, i like to share my old hubs every once in awhile for new followers and for those that missed them the first time around. Thanks for taking the time to read this. I hope your back feels better and thanks so much for stopping by!


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Ana Teixeira 4 years ago from Oporto, Porto, Portugal

I have to tell you I really enjoyed this hub. You make some very important points. I can't stand long and boring texts and I hate hubs that are just a big chunk of text. English isn't my first language and I usually check a few words to see if I made any mistakes and it annoys me when english native speakers don't bother to do the same. Great Hub... voting up!


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

I missed this the first time around, glad I caught it this time. The only long poems I write are story telling ones, they take a lot of work, but are worth it if they turn out right. I mostly enjoy short funny poems.

I have a bad back and can't sit long enough to read really long articles or stories. I read my books in bed, not on line.

Voted up


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

LOL, Nils. Alright :-) Thanks for reading it, though


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Nils Visser 4 years ago from The Low Countries

Please don't tell my mom I read your hubs.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Karn... I appreciate that. been swamped. Looking for work, writing, doing some public readings, but not publishing as much... But, I am going to be the featured interview in the next newsletter so, look for that :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks for your input, Jennifer. I certainly give latitude to those for whom English is not their first language, as long as I notice effort and improvement. Hubpages is an english language site and, even though it has an international audience, you need to correctly speak the language. So, yes, latitude is given, but I won't use the latitude as an excuse for folks not to improve their language skills.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Victoria. If someone has a lot of typos and words being misused, it shows a lack of care and if they don't care about the quality of their work, why should I read it?


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Sweetguide... let me know how it goes!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Madmachio, it happens to the best of us. Hopefully this hub will help you stop :-)


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ImKarn23 4 years ago

Lol..well then - i have but one question, sir - Where have you been? Missing ya..


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Jennifer Essary 4 years ago from Idaho

Bad grammar can be annoying but when I've read someone's profile and know that English is not their native language I continue to read if the subject is good. Everyone has to start somewhere. One of my biggest peeves is Hubs that remind me of the Charlie Brown school teacher. As I begin to read some Hubs I go into a daze because the Hub is too wordy. I like useful information: Hubs on improving Hubs, food, tips around the house, and interesting topics that make me stop to think.


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Victoria Lynn 4 years ago from Arkansas, USA

GREAT hub, PDX! You are right on. When people use the wrong words (your/you're), it drives me nuts. Or numerous typos? Are they writers or what? I really enjoyed reading this hub.Excellent! Voted up and everything else!


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sweetguide 4 years ago from River side

good method. I will try it


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madmachio 4 years ago from Kansas

I've been guilty of all those things...DAMN!!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Brandasaur! Glad I could be of service!


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brandasaur 4 years ago from Planet X

Super helpful :) I'll try to apply this to my future hubs!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thansk Dancilla! I'm lad you found this helpful and useful! That's what I'm lookin to do!


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Dancilla 4 years ago from El Paso

You make a good point. This hub was great to read. This will help me make my hubs more interesting. Thanks. Voted up!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Sharyn... Thanks for being my 200th comment on this hub. I hope you're feeling better.

I'd be happy to send you a private message if I notice a grammar or spelling error on your hub. Mistakes happen and sometimes It's hard to catch our own. I welcome you to do the same!

I agree... it's just hard for me to process and take seriously a poorly written hub. bad grammar and bad spelling really get in the way for me.

Thanks for coming by, my friend. it's always nice to see you!


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Sharyn's Slant 4 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

Justin ~ I agree with all the points you have made here. Just before reading your piece, I started one that had a typo in the first sentence. And then another mistake, still within the first paragraph. I really like this writer but had a difficult time continuing when I see misspellings that just shouldn't be. I have to move on because I cannot concentrate on the subject when my brain keeps stopping at mistakes.

Just another thought, I always want someone to point out a mistake to me so that I can correct it. I am open to receiving a private message letting me know. I guess I wish others would feel the same way. I have sent private messages to others when I see glaring mistakes. Not everyone likes that you do that. So I am reluctant to do so any longer, yet I want people to tell me if they see something in my work. Anyway, great hub, lots to think about.

Sharyn


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makemoney146 4 years ago from India

Awaysome article and i really enjoy the reading about"Technology, health, fitness and science Hubs bore me".Thanks for sharing


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

thanks so much for reading and commenting, Nare. I look forward to visitting your hub. thanks for the follow.


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Nare Anthony 4 years ago

Hiii PDXKaraokeGuy! I'm the 198th commenter and I'm not sure if you'll get back to me :) However you have great writing style and nicely covered humor? I like it very much! Well, if you really want to read my hub, then I can say that your job is easy, as I have only one hub :) Have a nice day!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks so much, ironman. super heroes are always welcome here.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

timjetraveer... thank you and I'm pleased that you found this advice helpful. Welcome to HubPages!


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Ironman1992 4 years ago

You raise a lot of good points, PDXKaraokeGuy.


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

I found this hub to be extremely interesting. It gave me a different point of view, and I do agree with many of the things you say here.

As a new writer on hub pages, I have been overwhelmed by all of the different pieces of advice others have given, so I too have to pick and choose. Your advice here was good, and I thank you for it.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

seekingpeace, I agree... and it irks me to no end when I've published a hub or blog and then discover an error n my part. I also can't read a poorly written anything, no matter how great the story is!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

tanks so much mcals. If people can learn from this and write beter hubs, great. everybody wins. if not, this is only the oonion of one man. I very much appreciate your visit and thansk for commenting!


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seekingpeace91 4 years ago

Thanks for the great hub! I completely agree about grammar. I'm a bit of a freak, and can't stand seeing errors in my own hubs- I'd actually welcome someone's pointing them out to me!! It's difficult to read hubs that are really poorly written, no matter the captivating topic. Thanks for the info! Voted up and useful


mcals71 4 years ago

So many comments! Looks like everything worth saying has already been said. I will only add that it was about time someone spoke up for good grammar, correct spelling and interesting topics. English isn't my first language, either, so I'm not saying that I can write better than the next guy or gal, but I make a huge effort to avoid at the very least the most common spelling mistakes. I just recently learned how to work with capsules and am planning of going back to my published hubs and break them down into a more easily readable format. It's going to be fun. Thanks for passing on some very useful pointers. Voted up and interesting.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks KittHill. I'm pleased that you found this useful!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Winbo!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks papa... same with my notifications Its hard to keep up!


KittHill 4 years ago

Interesting hub. I got a few pointers on how to improve my hubs. Thank you.


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winbo 4 years ago

awesome hub and I want to read your hub :)


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PapaGeorgeo 4 years ago

wow this hub is getting a lot of attention, a lot of my notifications are for this comment section, great job and on climbing to 94points fast!!!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ditto, rebecca. It's very difficult!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks so much Radhikasree


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

rebekah, thanks for reading, and thanks Princessa for sharing. I await your comment on my Cobain hub. Which book did you read? I personally believe he was murdered by Love, directly or indirectly. Thanks so much for reading!


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rebeccamealey 4 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

I feel the same rebekahELLE. It's like "SO many great Hubs and and so little time." Loads of talent here!


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radhikasree 4 years ago from Mumbai,India

Great tips to get more readers to your hub. Not responding to comments you make is more annoying than all others for me. Up, interesting and useful.

Thanks for SHARING:)


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rebekahELLE 4 years ago from Tampa Bay

I saw this shared on the feed by princessa, so I read it. I enjoyed reading it and share many of the same sentiments. Although I do like hubs about science if it's written by someone who really knows what he's talking about. I like just about any subject if it gets my attention from the title or the first paragraph. I don't have a lot of time online, so I try to read only what truly grabs my attention.

There are times when I wish I could spend a day reading hubs, because there are so many amazingly interesting hubs here. I also love the global aspect with writers from all over the world.

Nice hub, and I'm going to follow you. I'll have to read your Kurt Cobain hub. I read a book about his life/death which truly intrigued me. Do we really know what happened?


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Dorsi... I agree... that's why I have to be selective about what I read and when. The more followers you get and the more people you follow, the more demands on your time. In addition to other writing jobs and school.. there's only so much time left. May as well spend it reading a well written hub on something that interest you!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks poeticfool. Getting lots of traffic so far, and quite a few nasty e mails. I must be doing something right and hitting some nerves if people take the time to leave me a nasty e mail or comment and, of course, I thank them for their reads!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Kelly

I'm glad you're busy! Life is good when busy! There's a difference between reading a hub where you know the author proofread and missed something, versus reading a hub where it was the author was just in a rush to get something publish and/or has no conventions of how language works. Since i published this, I've noticed grammar and spelling errors in my own hubs, along with typos. I fixed them. Some people never do, and they will lose me as a reader if it continues. Writing is very important to me and if someone doesn't want to take the time to write quality content, why should I read it?


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

I hope you feel better soon, Barber. It's hard to respond to comments (look at this one... we're approaching 200!). You do write a lot about health, and I've never read one of your hubs on health... but you've written plenty of other hubs that I've enjoyed. Thanks for stopping by!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Martie, I

I certainly understand that hubpages is for writer's all over the world, but the site also states that hubs must be written in english. English sin't just words, but the contruction of words. While I certainly understand that it's hard to grasp the illogical nuances of the english language at times, I also expect that people writing for an english speaking audience understand how the language works. I find it distracting if they don't. But, again, that's just me.

I've never found any glaring issues in your hubs, and I read your yours as often as you can. (Also, if you'll notice, I linked one of yours here.)

I just added a link to the little brown book on amazon in the links, next to the gramamr portion of this hub. I thought I'd enetered it before, but have not.

It's a great tool. I highly recommend that you have one!

Thanks for commenting.


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Dorsi 4 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

I like your style and honesty. You say what's on your mind. One of the main reasons I don't read as many hubs as I'd like to is simply time. There are so many things I am interested in and so many great hubs - but only so much time in the day!


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MartieCoetser 4 years ago from South Africa

Hi PDX, I've left you a comment, but not sure if you deleted it or not, because it does not show on my profile as not approved. I think something is wrong with my system. I therefor repost my comment, as it is quite relevant and I would love to read your thoughts about it.

Hi PDX, I am so glad I found this hub of yours pimped, because this is certainly a topic that needs some discussion.

Because I have only half of a day available for writing and reading, I am always behind schedule. So I've made readers who have left comments on my hubs my first priority. I return their comments by reading and commenting on their hubs. I try my best not to skip any one of them. This can take me up to two weeks per hub. In the meantime many of them had 3-4 hubs published. I can read only one, due to my cramped schedule.

And then it is high time for me to publish a new hub.

I see many hubs I would like to read and sometimes a title does pull me in, but if the first paragraph does not encourage me to read the second, I will simply scan the rest of the hub, and maybe I will find something that may encourage me to leave an inspiring comment.

Re grammar errors. English is not my mother tongue and in my region I seldom get the opportunity to speak English, so I believe I make a lot of grammar errors. I really try not to, and I hope my supporters will correct me promptly via email - or even in the comment section - whenever they notice an error. I sincerely appreciate constructive critique and corrections and suggestions for improvement. Now where can I find that little Brown Book?

Back to comments. Sometimes a reader leaves a comment on my hubs which clearly reveals the fact that he/she did not read my hub, but left me a senseless comment with the hope I will repay him by increasing traffic to his hub and by blowing his ego with a comment. Whenever a reader leaves me a comment that makes me feel like a fish ready to grab bait on a line, I feel extremely uncomfortable - as if my intelligence are being under-estimated. I can't read such a reader's hubs objectively with an open mind. I kind of see his/her agenda, attitude, inflated ego, or whatever encourages him to leave senseless comments on my hubs.

After almost 2 years in HubPages, and as an accomplished writer (and in particularly in my native tongue) and also coaching short-story writing, I share all your opinions about reading (and commenting on) hubs and any other writings on the Internet.

Thumbs up for the proper covering of this issue.

PS: I wish I had time to read all the comments in here. I am sure they are all very interesting. Maybe I find some time during the coming weekend to read them all.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Thomas! I know I only have time to read one or two of your stories a month, because they are long. They are also really entertaining and i want to make sure I have time to read it and enjoy it! Thanks for coming back! Also, read cloudexplorer's hub. His take on my comments is very interesting. I link to it above.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Cloudexplorer, I may have misunderstood your previous comment, then, which is sort of ironic, don't you think? I'll head over your way and check things out!


Poetic Fool 4 years ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you! All of this needed to be said so I hope you get tons of traffic as a result. You've hit on most of my pet peeves here. Poor spelling and grammar are turn offs but if I see one, run-on paragraph I'll click away every time. That has to be the worst for me. Thanks for writing what many of us may have been to shy to say. Great job!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

I love this hub PDX! For so many reasons - first and foremost great content and grammar:) lol

I have struggled lately to keep up with my hub reading...I have had sick kids, been out of town and my home business has been extremely busy. I know wah, wah:) lol It is my reality right now - time is the only thing I lack.

It really bugs me to see the silly grammar mistakes, like their instead of they're or there! It won't stop me from continuing to read because I have caught crazy typos of my own but if I see a few then I do get disgusted:)

Excellent hub and voted way up and awesome!


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barbergirl28 4 years ago from Hemet, Ca

I really wish that I could have clicked on a couple options in the poll... but I could not so I was forced to weed out what irritated me the most. Ironically, it is not responding back to the comments... It is ironic because I have about 24 comments right now that need to be responded to that I haven't gotten to because I have been on vacation. (And right now I am really sick so I am not really sure I can leave an intelligient response - I apologize right now for this comment I am leaving as my brain is feeling fried!)

Anyway - This is a great hub... and you have said things here that I have felt for a long time. If you want to keep me as a reader - write something I am interested in. Although I have to admit - I am a big health freak and write a lot on that topic. However I do jump around a bit! :) Anyway, great hub! I am going to go out and share this becuase you depicted what I have felt for awhile! :)


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MartieCoetser 4 years ago from South Africa

Hi PDX, I am so glad I found this hub of yours pimped, because this is certainly a topic that needs some discussion.

Because I have only half of a day available for writing and reading, I am always behind schedule. So I've made readers who have left comments on my hubs my first priority. I return their comments by reading and commenting on their hubs. I try my best not to skip any one of them. This can take me up to two weeks per hub. In the meantime many of them had 3-4 hubs published. I can read only one, due to my cramped schedule.

And then it is high time for me to publish a new hub.

I see many hubs I would like to read and sometimes a title does pull me in, but if the first paragraph does not encourage me to read the second, I will simply scan the rest of the hub, and maybe I will find something that may encourage me to leave an inspiring comment.

Re grammar errors. English is not my mother tongue and in my region I seldom get the opportunity to speak English, so I believe I make a lot of grammar errors. I really try not to, and I hope my supporters will correct me promptly via email - or even in the comment section - whenever they notice an error. I sincerely appreciate constructive critique and corrections and suggestions for improvement. Now where can I find that little Brown Book?

Back to comments. Sometimes a reader leaves a comment on my hubs which clearly reveals the fact that he/she did not read my hub, but left me a senseless comment with the hope I will repay him by increasing traffic to his hub and by blowing his ego with a comment. Whenever a reader leaves me a comment that makes me feel like a fish ready to grab bait on a line, I feel extremely uncomfortable - as if my intelligence are being under-estimated. I can't read such a reader's hubs objectively with an open mind. I kind of see his/her agenda, attitude, inflated ego, or whatever encourage him to leave senseless comments on my hubs.

After almost 2 years in HubPages, and as an accomplished writer (and in particularly in my native tongue) and also coaching short-story writing, I share all your opinions about reading (and commenting on) hubs and any other writings on the Internet.

Thumbs up for the proper covering of this issue.

PS: I wish I had time to read all the comments in here. I am sure they are all very interesting. Maybe I find some time during the coming weekend to read them all.


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ThoughtSandwiches 4 years ago from Reno, Nevada

Justin...

You have seemed to of opened up a can of worms on the length thing.

(laughing) ...yeah..I write long and I always appreciate when someone takes the time to dive into one of them although, I sometimes get worried when they don't reappear for bit. I sometimes think I am going to find skeletal remains within the capsules of some of my longer tales.

I wouldn't worry or justify your reading habits to anyone as you don't really need to. Perhaps the length issue predominates because it is easier to explain away than my poor grammar skills. Yeah...That sounds good!

So yeah, I already voted on this one but I will certainly share it like a ________ at a party!

Thomas


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City

@ PDXKaraokeGuy, I had no problem with your views on reading of other peoples hubs, that wasn't my issue, my hub actually only focused on one particular part of your hub here, and it is about the "Not returning comments" or leaving of comments part.

Pretty much we both have differing view points on the whole sharing thing. You can check out my hub from off my profile if you like, I'll refrain from posting the link actually, I try to keep that to a minimum link postings in comment area's, just a change of mind I guess.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Krystal... I'm so glad you enjoyed this! I appreciate you stopping by and reading and leaving a comment. Happy hubbing!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Kelley... i agree with you on poems. I understand some of the older bards like Shakespeare and Thomas hardy are very wordy... but, normally, if you need to be wordy to get your point across, it's because you are trying o=to be poetic... and that's lame, imho


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KrystalD 4 years ago from Los Angeles

I love this hub because it is honest and well written. I also found it just interesting to read. I agree about grammar and especially white space. The long paragraphs are frustrating to me as well. I think we all have the right to our preferences and it least you made it clear to our community what you are looking for. Ask and you shall receive!


kelleyward 4 years ago

Thanks for this informative hub! I write long hubs at times based on a lot of research etc. I only like short poems because to me poems should be something that reaches out and grabs me and then quickly lets me go.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks for your input, nybride. I appreciate it!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

unnamedHarald, I will do my best to get over to your hubpage and check things out. Thanks so much for reading and I'm pleased that you found this hub useful and interesting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Keri... thanks so much and I'm pleased that Shasta drove some traffic here! I actually enjoy science... i just don't like to read about it... I prefer to apply it or watch it on television.

Thanks for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

cloudexplorer! I'm so pleased that this inspired a hub of your own and I will gladly read it and post it here.

I will respectfully decline your offfer to rethink my expectations. People are free to read and write what they want on hubpages, but I won't read it if it doens't ineterst me or is poorly written. As a student, professional proofreader and editor, I reader enough material that is poorly written and uninteresting every day. I don't want to do the same thing here on hubpages! Again, this is just my opinion. I love being involved in this community, but I also am not going to read soemthing that isn't well constructed or intersting... unless I'm getting paid or it.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Skittle... I agree! It's inexcusable... especially if you call yourself a writer. If you don't have the technology, hire an editor for goodness sakes. Most of them charge 1-3 cents per word and it's a tax write off. Musicians don't think it's okay to hit a wrong note, why would a writer think it's okay to not spell a word correctly (typos excluded... those can be fixed with a careful proofreading)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Thomas. Your stories are long, but you use lots of white space, humor and pictures. Plus, you're a god story teller. It;s interesting to me that people are focusing on the length of hubs section of this piece and not on the others. If it's interests me and it's well written, I'll read it. Why should I read something that doesn't interest me and/or is ill formatted? i don't understand why me having reading preferences makes people angry. Between freelancing, editing and school, I only have an hour or so to read hubs in a day... I'd prefer spending that reading hubs I enjoy.

Tahnsk for the share, Thomas!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thank you debby. I'm pleased tyhat you're pleased at my willingness ot express my opinion. It's amazing how many people get their panties in a bunch simply because I chose to share my opinion...


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nybride710 4 years ago from Minnesota

Large blocks of text, either as one long paragraph not having any headers in the story, is my biggest pet peeve. I try not to make my paragraphs more than 125 words long. I also make liberal use of the ability to create headers and new sections when I am transitioning to a new train of thought.


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UnnamedHarald 4 years ago from Cedar Rapids, Iowa

This was a refreshing article, PDXKaraokeGuy. It was straight-forward and you let the chips fall where they may. Your interests and peeves make for interesting reading because, as a writer, it's always nice to know what readers are interested in. If you have a moment, I'd be interested in your opinion of any of my hubs (well, at least those rated "best"). If you don't have time, that's cool, too. Voted up, useful and interesting.


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Keri Summers 4 years ago from West of England

Congrats on all your comments, I had to scroll a long way down to add mine! I liked your ironic choice of Amazon links for the science section. And other illustrations. Sometimes it's good to read a forthright opinion, and have a reminder of standards! I found you via Millionaire Tips' Favourites.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City

This hub was truly controversial in many ways so I had to create an entire hub to comment on it, and I'll provide the link to it once I complete it entirely. I understand your position but think you should rethink things a bit about your expectations of others here on hubpages in regards to the reading of your hubs.

I must say this hub was very well written, and thats what I look for in a hub, no matter the category or title it suggests to the reader.

I look for overall hub quality, as a hubpages writer of my own written works. Thanks for sharing this hub with us all, and I'll be back soon.


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daskittlez69 4 years ago from midwest

That was an interesting hub. My biggest pet peeve is bad spelling. With all of the technology out there nowadays, people should at least be able to spell. Of course, I have a friend that has a doctorate that still doesn't know the difference between there and their.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

WD, I always appreciate your thoughtful responses. Remember, this is just one man's opinion. I read what interests me and generally, no matter the format, i like short concise sentences and paragraphs. However, anything well written, will hold my interest. my biggest issue is gramamr, not the length of hubs though I am initially turned off by really long hubs. If I read your hubs (and I do) then there's no need to come back and convince me that I'm "missing out". I read James a Watkins but i'm not sure if I follow Randy Godwin.

I appreciate your coming by, but i'm also not sure why a lecture on my personal preferences was needed. I will likely not read an article on the american banking systm because, after following politics and social issues for so long, I am burned out and choose to be blissfully and willfully ignorant. It's way to stressful and depressing to reasd about the country I love going down the shitter. Don't take it personal. Don't lecture me about it. It's just one man's opinion

Take care my frend.


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ThoughtSandwiches 4 years ago from Reno, Nevada

Justin...

I want you to read my hubs too!! That said...yes my friend...750 words...that would be flash fiction for me...post-it-note shit really...

I couldn't agree with you more on the comments...please...acknowledge whatever tasteless joke I left as a comment...and we can all just go on with our lives... So hard? I think not...

A Great Read read which I am sharing like a good book on C block!

Thomas


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

I have been pondering this hub. You are an influential figure in Hubsville. You should rethink your position and attitude. Excuse me, but I majored in journalism, and have a few years of experience in print.

The doctor says you are developing a frenetic compulsion . . . “Hubber Frenzy Syndrome”. I am afraid that you are setting an arbitrary standard of mediocrity as others follow suite. 750 words is a letter to the editor in a local newspaper. 1,200 words is a minimal essay or magazine article. 2,400-3,600 words is average. It shouldn’t take more than 10 or fifteen minutes to read a 1,500 word hub. Play the song while you are reading. Why not watch the video? What if someone puts a bunch of songs in a hub about rock music? Should I blow it off?

There is nothing to gain from whisking through at breakneck speed, except, maybe your Hub Score (designed source of compulsion). HubPages can stand to improve our reputation for quality on searches among non-Hubbers. They pay the bills and deserve good content. Actually, they demand it, or goodbye.

There are plenty of people writing about pancakes and selling maple syrup. Make room for writers of substance. Some of my stuff will keep you busy all day if you utilize every relevant link. From writing so much about the natural environment and social issues of Central Florida, I am used to school kids using some of my stuff for reports. Here, I accommodate the interested with the option of deeper study. I think this multi-media, interactive magazine format (Mimf) is a gas.

I have read hubs by experienced and successful Hubbers who claim “at least 800 words” is the benchmark. By your profession, you can’t tolerate the likes of James A Watkins or Randy Godwin (two of the best writers). I have hubs that are only 400 or 500 words. They cover the subject, so that’s all they need. I have a hub that is 2,400. Don’t read it. Stay in the dark about what’s going on in the American banking system. No thanks. I am not going to cut it up. It gets a lot of visits from outside. My hottest hub is 1,800 words. It’s a trip. People have been plugging it for me. I’m not much for social networking, so I appreciate that. I am a production guy, and my real friends keep me busy as it is. I also get some good runs from outside on my short stories. They are three times longer than what you will read. Your loss, bro. They rock!

I came here to write. I also love to read. I have taken speed reading courses, and can tear it up with good comprehension. Maybe it wouldn’t hurt you to take one if it is painful to read more than 750 words at a swat.


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Debby Bruck 4 years ago

Dear Justin - Thank you for your pleasant reply to my comment. I know that you have wonderful taste, explicit opinions and very clear opinions. While there may be others who have an eye for beauty and need for all elements to fit in the proper order, plus a bit of indecisiveness when generalizing or holding an opinion on a piece of art that has not yet been seen to determine an answer. And, in addition not so decisive in having an opinion. Many blessings, Debby


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thank you for stopping by,. It's always good to go back and reevaluate your hubs. but it also takes time and practice to get your enigmatic hub score raised :-)


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HolyMosses20 4 years ago from Hammond, Louisiana

Good job, made me go back and look at mine, I see now I should have put some sub-titles and groomed, it was my first. No wonder my score wasn't so hot...I'll get it.

Thanks for sharing~


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Shinkicker, I appreciate the visit. Thanks so much for stopping by and I look forward to reading your hubs!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks, Amber. Me too... grammar seems to be winning ina landslide.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

IMogen, thanks so much. Subject matetr is a matter of taste, but it's funny how some people get enraged that you don't like their topics. I'm a poet and a fiction writer, first and foremost. I understand a lot of people don't like to read that stuff. i don't get my panties in a snit, though. I just find my target demographic and continue writing. Thanks so much for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

sinea, I'll have to check out that hub (I may have already) because I don't know how to have links open in a new window on hub pages. I do on my blog. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Dancing Water, thanks so much for your perspective. I think one thing that I dind't do well was talk about my own struggles with grammar and spelling. Certainly, there are times when it behooves a writer to break the rules, but, it can be distracting if it's not the right time. Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting!'

and returning comment sis very important. I've unfollowed people before because they never acknowledged my comment... even generically


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Shinkicker 4 years ago from Scotland

Excellent Hub. I'm currently going through my earlier Hubs to check for lack of white space. It was my biggest mistake I think.

Cheers for the read and the advice PDX


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amberld 4 years ago from New Glarus, WI

Bad grammar and incorrect usage really kills me, too! Entertaining read, looking forward to reading more of your hubs!


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Imogen French 4 years ago from Southwest England

I agreed with most of your points here. Subject matter is of course down to personal taste, but I am also turned off by bad spelling and grammar - I will often not bother reading a hub if it is littered with mistakes. If a person can't be bothered to write properly I can't be bothered to read it! Good points about use of white space too, something I hadn't thought much about. Great hub, thanks.


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Sinea Pies 4 years ago from Northeastern United States

Amen, amen and amen! Actually, your poll did not allow me to share what really frustrates me. What frustrates me is a well-written, well laid out hub with great links...great links that do NOT open in a new window. Therefore, the reader just may get lost in cyber-land and not know how to get back to the wonderful hub. That bugs me.

In fact, I wrote a hub on how to keep readers on your page to help hubbers to set up links to open in a new window for that very reason. Your hub is voted UP and USEFUL. Now, take care of those links! LOL!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

annart.. thank you. I always get so mad at myself after proofreading and proofreading and then publishing and finding a glaring typo, misspelling or gramamr error. I'm sure I'll be scrutinized even more after this. But, at least I go back and fix it... and I'm happy to have them pointed out (privately of course). Also, if someone calls themselves a writer, words and language are their tools. they should know how to use them properly or risk coming off looking like a dolt!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks very much tobey!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Missolive! Very kind


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

April, thanks for you willingness to have constructive criticism. The internet is generally a place where people skim. They generally won't read every word of an article, especially the long ones. You want to be concise and to the point.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thoutmonkey, we all do. Hopefully this will help get you over the learning curve faster!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Duchess... thank you and thank you for letting me link to your fabulous hub! I hope you get a billion views!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Debby, I'm pleased that you enjoyed this. Unfortunately, "all the above" is a bit of a cop out answer and in no way helpful to me or my readers. Thanks for stopping by. I always enjoy your visits, and visiting.


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Dancing Water 4 years ago

Thank you for an enlightening hub! I especially appreciate what you wrote about this being a community and the significance of responding to each others hubs and comments. I, too, am a stickler about grammar and word usage. We need to understand our language and how it works if want to effectively communicate.

Further, your points concerning format and the use of "white spaces" are ones that I well endeavor to employ.

Thanks again for your help!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Jennifer,these are "my rules" not thee rules :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Papa, thanks! I'm glad you found this useful. Thanks for the follow!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

molo... it really depends 1500 well written words can be too short... 500 hundred poorly constructed ones can be way too long. Good writing is really what's going to keep readers' interested.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

LOL, me too Audrey!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Dawn. It does get hard to keep up with comments, especially as you begin to gain readers and followers, but it's still important to be acknowledged. Thank you for reading commenting and voting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

well, that's certainly one way to go about it, WD. I look forward to my next visit!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

thatnk you very much, singernurse


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annart 4 years ago from SW England

I'm so glad someone else has a 'thing' about misuse and bad grammar. I'm an ex-teacher (if there is such a thing!) of English and have specialised in dyslexia so I'm doubly aware of mistakes. I'm extra careful to proof-read my hubs and go back to them quite often, to refresh and to proof-read again. I must admit I do feel nervous knowing you'll be reading this! I agree that one should always have the courtesy to reply to everyone's comments. It's also a great way to chat and decide who else's hubs to look at. Voted up and interesting.


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tobey100 4 years ago from Whites Creek, Tennessee

Excellent hub and directly to the point. Thanks


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missolive 4 years ago from Texas

I came back for another read through and to share :)

I suggested this hub to someone and wanted to be sure it showed up on the feed again. Great hub!


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April Reynolds 4 years ago from Arizona

You have some good tips here and I hope you let me know if you find any of these problems in my hubs! I agree on the longer hubs. I get bored reading and lose interest. I have gone back and cut some of mine in half and try to keep them under 1000 words. (although now that I say that I see my last two are the longest ever) oh well, they can't all be perfect.


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ThoughtMonkey 4 years ago from United Kingdon

As a new hubber I have a great deal of learning to do to improve. I will take on board what I have read. Thank you


Duchess OBlunt 4 years ago

Hmm, your poll question certainly seems to have generated lots of comments. Great lead into it!

I have a couple pet peeves that answer to the "other" option you gave. The biggest is for those who write hub after hub on the same topic. Many times they don't even put a new spin on things. I often wonder how they don't get flagged for duplication. It doesn't take long before I stop visiting to read what they write.

I just adore the angry baby face picture!


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Debby Bruck 4 years ago

Dear Justin ~ I was looking for the answer, "All of the above" on your question: What is your biggest pet peeve with hubs?

I took a trip out to berrymii to locate that awesome babyface you posted here and found another interesting blogger with a sense of humor that must have pleased you to no end.

I'm imagining you as a little kiddie and staring down the others who just won't keep in line and tow the boat.

many blessings to a rare friend who makes a point to visit my hubs, even if they may be too long sometimes. Bless you.


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jennifermdunn 4 years ago from Norwalk, CT

As a new hubber, I will adhere to the rules.


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PapaGeorgeo 4 years ago

I thought this was very funny yet true and insightful for a novice like myself!


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molometer 4 years ago

I have to agree with you on the length issue. This 1500 word count, that we are told is the optimum. Is wrong.

In my experience as a teacher, it is way too long.

I have written a few, just to see how they do.

Personally, I do not think they will be that successful.

Very useful hub Justin, it needed to be said.

The angry baby made me laugh!


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AudreyHowitt 4 years ago from California

Well said Justin!! I hate it when bad grammar happens to good hubs!


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Dawn Conklin 4 years ago from New Jersey, USA

I had to vote for bad grammar. I know I am not perfect with grammar myself, I am not an expert. I can handle and overlook mistakes, I make many myself, but way too many broken sentences that are not at all complete is not easy to read.

Not returning comments can be a bit rude. I have encountered this more on blogs then here on Hubpages personally. Many of the hubbers have commented back when I left them a comment. I usually respond within 24 hours but occasionally it takes a little longer.

Voted up :)


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Hey it made sense before. It is just better now. I took the point to heart. I have a couple of long hubs that I don't want to break up. I am going back, putting up the word count and offering the happy hub hopper a couple of shorter ones if they aren't in the mood for the longer read. So, good advice.


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thesingernurse 4 years ago from Rizal, Philippines

Very well said my friend. I like your very straight-forward attitude. :D


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Tammy, thanks. This was actually inspired by a couple of hubs I've read from the hopper. but, I dind't want to call anyone out, since we all make mistakes. I just read like four or five hubs in a row that failed in one or all these regards and I was frustrated!

Thanks for reading Tammy. I always enjoy reading your work.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Bruce it does get overwhelmioing sometimes to kepe up with all the hubs. That's why I have to be selective... and I do a lot of skimming.I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think everyone skims on the skimternet


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

WD, I actually just revised the part about long hubs. It makes more sense now. Thatnks for your funny comment. I always apporeciate seeing you!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ha, Cindy. My wife said if I was to ever have a baby, it would be that smart little boy with reading glasses. She's right. Thanks for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Leni... thanks for commenting and sharing. I'm pleased that you found this useful!


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

I am glad you want to read my hub. :) These are great points and many of the things I have noticed, especially in the hopper. You make some strong points. Well done!


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Cogerson 4 years ago from Virginia

Hey Justin, I really enjoyed reading this hub. Lots of great and important information for people to use and understand about HubPages. I follow a ton of people as well....I used to try and read everything by everybody I follow but as my number of people I followed increased....I have had to limit my comments....but I still enjoy reading lots of hubs. I appreciate all the times you have commented on my hubs ...voted up and very useful.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

I dunt care if u think my hubs are to lung. They no work if they break up into lots of smaller whit ones with space into them. When i rights about science, you butter listun good cuz it is portant or you may die of sumptin bad.


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cclitgirl 4 years ago from Western NC

Uh-oh - I don't write lots of poems or short stories. I DO appreciate reading them, though. :) In the poll, more people have said that bad grammar is their biggest pet peeve. Phew - maybe I'm safe. I like writing about grammar - I know, I know, it's geeky. But I think Shakespeare's ghost haunts me in my writings sometimes. In any case, I have learned lots of great things in your hubs so far. Not only that, that baby you have in the picture at the top of this hub is *priceless*. Great hub! Voted up and across.


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leni sands 4 years ago from UK

Great hub, well said, here here!! I'm all for using words correctly, spelling them correctly, using proper grammar (like wot I does (lol). Voted this hub up, shared with fellow hubbers and clicked on all the other buttons - interesting, awesome, useful, etc., etc...

I do try to always comment back...quite often I find Im the one making the initial comments and everyone else replying...oh well Rome (apparently) wasn't built in a day.

Thanks for the insight!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thank you so much Miss Olive. Very kind comment. I'm sure I've done that a time or two... commented on a hub then prematurely closed out the screen. Bad formatting is very annoying.

Thanks for coming back and leaving a comment!


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missolive 4 years ago from Texas

PDXKaraokeguy - Excellent points. Please note that the baby picture is the sole reason I am commenting (just kidding-sorta)

I like your perspective and tips. It is hard to get to everyone's hubs. I try my best though. I have a bad habit of reading and clicking away before commenting. I also have a bad habit of commenting and clicking away before hitting submit. Many times I'll check back and I KNOW I wrote a comment. I end up clicking the back arrow until I find it.

You've got style J and you certainly have voice. I'm glad I came back to read and comment. (Considering I read it Saturday and left before commenting :))

My pet peeve is BLARING typos and bad formatting.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

you're welcome Sue. That's a good one too, but it doesn't bother me much. Always nice to see you!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

yes. and the money comes. I see consistent reads and earnings every day. it's a true tortoise and hare analogy...


Sueswan 4 years ago

Hi PDX

Thanks for letting us in on your little secret.

I really appreciate when someone takes the time to read and comment on my hubs. I show my appreciation by commenting back.

My pet peeve are those who start following you but have no intention of ever reading your hubs.

Voted up and awesome

Take Care and have a good week. :)


jenubouka 4 years ago

I have to agree with you PDK, while the money is funneling very slow, I never expected the warmth of people here, that is priceless.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Indeed, Girltalksshop. These are just the preferences of one man. I'm surre others have different ideas on what makes an interesting hub. People can take my advice or leave it. Thanks for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

jeannie, that's poerfectly respectable. I don't ever plan on winning hub of the day because I don't write the sort of hubs that woudl win. I mostly write writign tips, poems and short stories... though i do do the occasional biographical pieces. PLus, some of the hubs of the day, frankly, aren;t that well written. I think it's based on SEO friendliness more than quality. But, If you're ever nominated, I'll vote the hell out of your hub for you :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ped... good advice. I hate it when I publish a hub and find grammar mistakes and typos. No matter how many times I proofread, there's always one! It's a good thing hubpages allows us to edit even after publication.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ardie, now there's two... but ti was the same guy, Think of all the reads that person is missing out on?

Ardie, I understand the need to write for artificial traffic. Just don't be offended if I don't read them :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Shasta... I'm honored. I'll look forward to that and I'll link it here!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Weestro... me too. Writing for a website is different then writing for a book or textbook. Newspapers are a great example of seeing how to cram a bunch of information into a compact article with short paragraphs.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Jen, thanks for commenting. One of the reasons I'm not interested in science is because people that are really into science are often really arrogant about it and don't empathize with those that don't. I'm always pleased to read your hubs and I'm glad you enjoyed reading this one. My number one goal on hubpages is to make money 9which is why i read hubs that interest me and.or help me towards that goal) but, I've made some great relationships and met some fantastic writers. That's the icing on the cake.


girltalksshop 4 years ago

Well, it looks as if you have sparked a few comments here on this hub. : ) Insightful and interesting. I guess it all boils down to what each individual looks for in a hub and choice, huh? Voted up!


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Jeannieinabottle 4 years ago from Baltimore, MD

I don't know about you, but quite frankly, I like to read other hubs to see what my competition is writing. I know HubPages is not a contest, but I still really want to have a Hub of the Day. I am sure it shouldn't be that important to me since it has little to do with traffic, earnings, etc. Yet, it would still mean a lot to me. Wow, this comment makes me sound really selfish. I will stop now. Interesting hub and voted up!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

melovy I've read a couple of your short stories and if they were longer then 750 words, I didn't notice because you laid them out well. I, however, have found more success with serializing mine and I feel it's more respectful of my reader's time.

as far as comments, I see your point, but, this HUB is a good example... I've responded personally to every comment that has been left... and we are approaching 100. A general reply, though, is acceptable. I just want acknowledgement for reading your hub and commenting on it


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pedrn44 4 years ago from New Berlin Wisconsin

This is very useful information and I appreciate you sharing it. I have gone back to "fix" some of my hubs and will do some further repair after reading this:) Bad grammar and lots of typos are what I find most annoying when reading a Hub. The dictionary is always close by when I'm writing.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Sherry, I can see your point and my biggest pet peeve is actually people who don't return comments. But, someone might be the best story teller in the world and if they use bad grammar and misspellings, it really distracts me to the point where I can't continue reading... and it also stinks of laziness since it's so easy to spell and grammar check without even have to copy and paste your document anywhere. Thanks for coming by!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Sunshine, yes. I think it speaks to our short attention spans :-)


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Ardie 4 years ago from Neverland

Wow! Aaaall these comment and only ONE snark so far. That really says a lot for the topic you chose and what you had to say about it :)

Secret: I do publish some medical Hubs but those are mostly to drive outside traffic to my really good stuff ;)


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Millionaire Tips 4 years ago from USA

Wow that is a lot of comments. And well deserved. I wanted to let you know that this hub has made My Favorite Hubs list this week.


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weestro 4 years ago from Virginia

Great hub, I'm guilty of the grammar mistakes from time to time, but I agree with you completely about the white space. If I open a hob and it's one huge paragraph, I'm gone. Voted up and awesome!


jenubouka 4 years ago

Yea, PDK so much for your level of 8 as commentator ~ you loyal commenter, re-commentor who prefers to read what he likes....Gives great comments and advise when asked.....Who on earth doesn't want to know about the latest techie gadget that will be outdated in less than a week?!

Seriously this was awesome, well said fine sir, well said. It does peeve to no end when one will follow and I can find some common likes they write, I will follow back, I then loyally read and comment, yet no response, no reading of mine....Sounds one sided, er tit for tat per say although it still ales me all the same.

For people to use the comment sections for bad tasted replies is bad ju ju, again in my opinion.

I was enlightened with what you liked to read, perhaps I will attempt a little more creative juice, short stories and such, show you how much my grammar really sucks.

I think you nailed with the page breaks and constant bad usage of grammar or spelling, as well as the kindness of comments. You have always endeared my hubs, and left great comments to show you actually read the thing, no matter how painful the process was....


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Melovy 4 years ago from UK

Very interesting hub. I agree with almost all you say: long paragraphs are very off-putting and to me suggest that the author is likely to be a poor writer so I generally don’t read those hubs at all.

I also feel that it’s important to reply to comments, but I can understand that writers who get 100s of comments a day might not have time for individual replies, so a general reply would be acceptable and then maybe if someone has left a particularly thoughtful comment that could get an individual reply too.

As far as short stories go, I guess you won’t like any of mine, because, apart from one, they are all well over 750 words and I don’t split them up into different hubs! :-( I tend to think that people read stories for a different reason than they do non-fiction and if they are interested enough they will keep going - or if my writing is good enough they will keep going. I can’t really imagine splitting my stories, but some of them do not get many views, so I’m curious to know why you think people will read two hubs (or more) rather than one longer one?


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Sherry Hewins 4 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

I've always wondered why 1500 words is recommended. A hub really has to pull me along if I'm going to finish one that long. White space helps, I also like pictures and bullet lists to help break things up. While I notice poor spelling and grammar, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as as it does you. If you're a really good story teller, I'll probably soldier through it.


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Sunshine625 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

Typos and lack of paragraphs are my peeves. I prefer short paragraphs for a smoother flow. Even with reading books shorter chapters are da bomb! Up/Awesome/Useful!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks, Capedium!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Faithful Daughter, white space on hubs is very important... especially if you're writing long hubs. I just don't wanna feel like I'm suffocating in words.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Brian. I appreciate that. I appreciate that hubpages has writers' of all levels. I also appreciate that if you're writing on hubpages, you have a desire to be read and one way to be read is to look like you know how to write :-)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Bobbi, just be honest. When I write, I just write and let the words flow. Editing is where I figure out how long the poem should be :0)


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

seek n find... that's very kind. Thank you very much. I don't know if I'll be one of those writer's that embraces my fame or becomes a recluse... but i look forward to finding out! I appreciate what you've said. Very kind and encouraging!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Savanh. Thanks so much for reading and commenting. I'm pleased that you found this useful


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Annette, in fiction, I love run on sentences for a point but, on a hub, ya, not so much. Thanks so much for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Seek N Find, thanks so much You're great writer and your hubs are a lot of funt o read. I guess I could have made this HUB shorter and simply said "Be a good writer". Thanks for reading!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Patti. I appreciate your comment and votes!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

rhala, learning from mistakes is a sign of wisdom :-) Thanks for reading. I enjoy reading your work!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Hawkes, I do everything intentionally :-) Thanks for reading and commenting


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Dave, I agree. Unless it's a super awesome paragraph


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

lol, thanks Adie. You should know I have no problem reading your hubs.... btw, I've decided to publish rude and snarky comments in the body of the article. Only one so far. It's just below the poll. Check it out...


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Karen, I did start a blog for such things! Most short hubs get weeded out and unpublished unless it's a poem or story. I appreciate the comment and the read!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

indeed, Vinaya. Poetry is all about choosing words carefully


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks Chris. I'm glad you enjoyed this!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Steph, we agree on that point. I'm not reading an epic, i'm reading an informative and entertaining hub!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks for the compliments and the comment, Till. I always enjoy the pearls of wisdom you leave in my comment section!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Alocsin, it's interesting. You write a lot about health and technology, but I read most of your hubs because you lay them out nicely and keep them short and to the point. Thanks for writing and commenting. It's always nice to see you.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

hotel, thanks for the link. SMS text... I'm on the fence. I guess it depends on the subject of the hub. Thanks again for commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Ron, looking forward to your book. I'll read and review it as soon as possible!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Sweethearts... there's a difference betwene leaving a comment and leaving a thoughtful comment. Sometimes, a general "thanks" will suffice... I jsut want acknowledgement, If I left a comment, it means I took the time to read it ;-) Thanks for reading and commenting!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Dah, to me, the white space and lay out of a story is more importnat then the actual length, though id o serialize all my short fiction and haver about 90% of readers continue to all the parts. it's just a personal preference but, certainlt, you have to be true to the story. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Millionaire Tips, it certainly is personal preference. however, I will read a subject I'm not interested in if it's short, laid out well and well written.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Thanks, Audra. Being honest is important. Another reason you want me as a reader :-)


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Capedium 4 years ago from Texas.

Great picture and of course very enlighten. Useful!

You have my vote on this one.


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Faithful Daughter 4 years ago from Sunny Florida

I am right there with you a 100%. Although, I am guilty of writing a few long hubs, I do try to put enough space between the paragraphs to make it easier for the reader. There's nothing more annoying than than writing one long block of a story with no breaks or paragraphs in between. When I see that, I feel as if I'm drowning in words and lose interest in the hub. Thanks for voicing what others dare not say.


bri36 4 years ago

So does this mean you think some of us are good writers or just filling hubpages with bad grammar? I for one really like the way you speak your mind and give reasons why we are doing it wrong. Getting a comment from you PDX is worth more than 10 views, because then we are making progress. Thanks for the insight Yes I voted^ why would I not?


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PurvisBobbi44 4 years ago from Florida

Hi,

I am sure I am sometimes quilty of poems and stories that are too long, but it is difficult to stop my fingers as my heart tells them to type. And I cannot promise to be better---because it would be a lie.

I voted awesome.

Bobbi


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Seek-n-Find 4 years ago from Illinois

Oh--and one more thing. When you are a rich and famous writer, I'm going to say, "I KNOW him!" Well, know as much as you can know through hubs and comments. Seriously, I just sense doors opening for you--and more doors opening through those open doors. The writer's gift is upon you. :-)


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savanahl 4 years ago

Very honest Hub and great advice especially for newbies. Thanks for sharing.


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Annette R. Smith 4 years ago from Orlando, Florida

Hello, PDXKaraokeGuy. I enjoyed reading your hub. Bad spelling and sloppy grammar are two of my peeves. Run-on sentences, whatever their length, annoy me. I like the pictures you used to illustrate this hub. Voted up!


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Seek-n-Find 4 years ago from Illinois

You crack me up. You have such a unique voice--you tell it like it is but do so with a great sense of humor. You have a way with getting to the point--I like "to the point." Although I don't always write that way (on purpose). Sometimes my job is to just make people think. Thanks for sharing. I think this is clever--I will SHARE. :-) Take Care!


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Patti Riggs Hale 4 years ago from Burdette, Arkansas

Good advice! Love the pics! Voted up and interesting.


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rlaha 4 years ago from Spartanburg, SC

Hi PDX. I always try to learn from my writing mistakes. I hope I have anyway :). Thanks for the help!


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Hawkesdream 4 years ago from Cornwall

Very clever pdx! Loved the title of your hub and the reverse psychology (intentional or otherwise) of writing a great hub.


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

I, on the other hand, can handle bad grammar as I've gotten used to typos here and there, but can't abide one paragraph hubs.


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Ardie 4 years ago from Neverland

READ MY HUBS DAMMIT! Oh wait. Was that considered rude or snarky? Because my mom would seriously whip my butt for tarnishing her good name publicly. Oh wait again. I'm not using my real name heheh

On a serious note I agree with EVERY one of your reasons to stop reading a Hub. The worst infractions to me are poor grammar and a giant block of text with no pauses or breaks. I have old eyes and I just can't read that. Great Hub PDX :)


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Karen Hellier 4 years ago from Georgia

Very good points in here. The grammar mistakes really get me. Or the really short hubs that are more like a blog entry. I have to fight the urge to leave the comment "start a blog" because it seems so inappropriate, much as many people comment, "get a room" to those showing too much affection in public for their tastes!


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Vinaya Ghimire 4 years ago from Nepal

I agree with you about proper use of grammar, use of space, and length of a poem and story. As a writer and poet we must be careful about what we write, we must choose words carefully.


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chrisam01 4 years ago from Los Angeles, California, USA

Great, honest hub. Love the pics and love the examples. Voted up.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

oh, Lady. That's one of my patented typos! touche, my friend


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LadyLyell 4 years ago from George, South Africa

Laugh or cry over my stupid error! Good on you for setting me straight. Then I read your "thinsg" for things.

Have a nice day!


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stephhicks68 4 years ago from Bend, Oregon

Yes, yes and yes! All of the above. While improper use of grammar is my biggest pet peeve, I prefer to read hubs that have plenty of white space, breaking down the text into digestible "chunks." Excellent, entertaining hub that makes some really good points. Cheers, Steph


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York

Nice to know where you stand. I know how good your writing is and your opinions are well taken. I go nuts when there are lots of misspelled words and I'm not just talking about typos! I totally agree with you on the Comments -- it is rather rude not to answer a comment. We share lots of opinions. Keep keeping us in line ;) Voted up.


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alocsin 4 years ago from Orange County, CA

Good points here for both newbies and veterans. It's interesting that the hubs you find boring are the ones I find fascinating: science, technology, health and fitness. I don't particularly like long things either -- so it mystifies me that the recommended hub length is 1,500. All my training as a tech writer has told me you being to lose an audience after 500 words and at 700 words, they don't continue at all. Voting this Up and Useful.


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hoteltravel 4 years ago from Thailand

SMS language is known by many names. This is the wikipedia link to the topic - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language


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SubRon7 4 years ago from eastern North Dakota

Wanted to vote on more than one, but chose words. My favorite word to hate is "your" for "you're." BTW, book is on its way. Thanks for a great hub!


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sweethearts2 4 years ago from Northwest Indiana

Very useful advice. I am very guilty of being wordy, writing long sentences and paragraphs. My children can attest to how I go on and on. See what I mean. I do and will continue to edit as much prior to publishing to avoid embarrassment. I do appreciate comments but don't understand "good hub" or "keep on". But, you're right everyone deserves a thank you. Thank You!


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dahoglund 4 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

I agree with most of what you say. However, I do have an observation about the length of fiction. Mine, I think, generally run somewhere between 500 and 1,000 words. But I will go longer if I figure the story justifies it. I would rather do that than break up the story into more hubs.The simple reason for that is that my experience is that people do not read the additional hubs. Likewise, I seldom do.


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Millionaire Tips 4 years ago from USA

I agree with you on all these things except for the topic of hubs, which is personal preference. In addition to your words, we can learn from the way you presented the hub, and the photos, especially the angry baby. Voted up.


iamaudraleigh 4 years ago

I like how you stood up for yourself here!!! You made valid points. Thank you for your honesty!! Voted up!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

LadyLyell, thanks for reading and welcome to hubpages. I'm glad you found this helpful.

varying the topics has pros and cons and there's a lot of hubs about this. I like to write about a variety of thinsg because I get bored easily. I'll take a look at some of your articles! Since you're looking for constructive input, "grateful" is the proper way to spell grateful.

I appreciate your read and your comment and I'll be heading over shortly to check out your page.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

hoteltravel, I'm not sure what you mean by "sms" language.

You make a good point about being spoiled for choice. I imagine if there was less available for me to read, I'd be less selective about it. All the more reason, of course, to find out how to gain readers. Thanks for the comment and the vote!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

rhala, thank you. I'm glad to enjoy this.

I understand that people have foibles in writing, but, when I notice the same mistakes by the same people over and over again, it drives me bonkers. Learn from mistakes, don't continue making them. I'm pleased you learn from my hubs!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

David,

thanks for reading. I'm not entirely sure I agree with you, but I see your point. I have poems ranging from Haiku to borderline epics on here. A poem is done when it's done and I often don't like to put more then one poem in a hub because I want it to have some time to breathe and be reflected on by itself, but I can certainly see where a short poem my cause frustration. I may also be a little biased because I myself am a poet, primarily. I will check out your hubs and I appreciate the comment!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Billybuc, thanks very much. Since I often use bad grammar... intentionally and unintentionally, I'm more forgiving of that, but, when enlish speaking adults misuse words, that makes me angry. But, what makes me the most mad is not returning comments. I think that's just plain rude! Thanks for reading and i'm glad you were able to relate!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

rebecca... as an editor or proofreader, 1500 words is a pretty quick read when there's not much editing or proofing to do. Often times I feel that I need to be editing or proofing when I read a hub... and that's no fun


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon Author

Susan, fortunately, these errors don't apply to most of the people I follow... or I wouldn't be following them, but, yes, putting the parts at the top would be great, IMHO


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LadyLyell 4 years ago from George, South Africa

First of all, I love the photos, especially the one of the cross baby.

I have taken to heart all the advice given as I am not an experienced writer and quite new to hubpages.

Constructive input is welcome as I wish to improve in my attempts to pen subjects of interest.

Should you pass by my articles please access my work. I would be greatful.

I do vary the topics as I notice many hubbers thrash one subject over and over.

Voted useful!


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hoteltravel 4 years ago from Thailand

When you are spoiled for choice, this is a natural response. To me, both content and style are important. SMS language, arrogant/rude tone and spelling and grammar mistakes make me move away from the page without second thought. Voted up.


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rlaha 4 years ago from Spartanburg, SC

I completely agree with you on proper use of words and grammar. I admit, I have my follies when it comes to writing, which is why I am on HubPages. I would love to improve my writing as much as possible, and the only way to do that is by having feedback from others. I love to read your hubs because they are insightful and to the point. Thanks for writing this! I hope others will agree with me on this. :) Voted up and interesting.


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davidlivermore 4 years ago from Bakersfield, California, United States

What bothers me are those hubs that are sometimes just a few sentences long. I see a lot of poetry like that. I know some poems are short, but it looks like they posted it just to generate a hub.

However, useful hub, if not a bit harsh!

P.S. I have a poem as one of my hubs. *winks*


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

Not a bad summary at all; in fact, it was like you read my mind. I have a long way to go regarding the writing of good hubs but I am a bit of a snob when it comes to bad grammar. It's the teacher in me that I can't ignore. Good hub and best of luck to you!


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rebeccamealey 4 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

Well said, PDXKaraoke guy. I don't like really long poems either. In fact I don't really like l-o-n-g anything. I like a fairly quick read, like this -although I know 1500 is a recommended length.


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sholland10 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

GRRR... LOL Great hub with good points. I am a bit wordy, and I put my "parts" to my stories at the bottom. After reading this, I may move the parts to the top. :-) Votes and shared! I love your pictures!!

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