Winter Weather Predicted By A Persimmon Seed

As the holidays come closer and the weather grows cold, everyone begins to wonder what the winter will hold. Will it be cold, bitter cold or warm? Will it be a wet winter or a dry one? Will we have ice, snow or both? How much snow? How much ice? Will it be a long winter or a short winter? Can anyone really know? Well...my grandmother told me once long ago that the persimmon seed can predict the weather. She was right! I have tested and learned.

The persimmon is a fruit grown on trees.  It is a soft fleshy fruit with a tart, often bitter, taste.  It is good for jams!
The persimmon is a fruit grown on trees. It is a soft fleshy fruit with a tart, often bitter, taste. It is good for jams! | Source
The persimmon seed is known to be a generally reliable predictor of the winter weather.  We have had 5 years of correct predictions so far!
The persimmon seed is known to be a generally reliable predictor of the winter weather. We have had 5 years of correct predictions so far! | Source
Gently slice the seed along the ridge on the edge.  This will open the seed!
Gently slice the seed along the ridge on the edge. This will open the seed! | Source

How Do You Tell?

The persimmons ripen in the late fall. The leaves often are completely off the tree and the limbs are heavy laden with fruit. On the ground you will find fruit, persimmons, that have ripened and fallen from the branches. Gather up a hand full of persimmons and the weather prediction begins. Remove the seeds from the fruit. Wipe the flesh of the fruit off of the seed using a napkin. There is a protective coating around the seed. Puncture this coating and remove it. The seed has an indention on the edge of it. Using a sharp knife, gently cut the seed into half following that indention.

The inside of the seed will have an opaque filling. In the center is a white stem-like structure which strongly resembles a piece of silverware. There is a weather predictor for each silverware symbol. It is said that the weather will follow this prediction. I have found that to be true for the past 5 years.

If the center of the seed resembles a fork, the weather will be mild. There will be light and fluffy snow WHEN, and if, it snows. There will be little, if any, ice. The overall weather outlook is mild.

If the center of the seed resembles a knife, the winter will be icy. There will be serious bouts of ice. The last time we had a knife in the persimmon seed we had significant ice! We had 4 inches of ice with 2 inches of snow on top. The tree limbs broke and sounded like gunshots piercing the night. It struck at 3 a.m. and literally crippled our entire area. Many people were without electricity for a week or more. It was awful! My home is all electric - no heat, no power, and no water was NO fun! We spent the week with my parents who had a fireplace and a gas stove. We melted ice to use to flush the toilet! The roads were impassable and there was no supplies coming into our area either! It brought out the survivor in all of us!

If the center of the seed resembles a spoon, the winter will be snowy. HEAVY snow! The last two times we had spoons we had significant snow! We had almost three feet of snow in one snowfall, in the middle of the heartland!! Not a normal winter by far!

It is said that fruit that bear multiple seeds mean a more intense level of the weather predicted.

The center of the persimmon this year held a spoon!  Snow!
The center of the persimmon this year held a spoon! Snow! | Source
These are the seeds from only one persimmon!  It had multiple seeds (FIVE) and all the seeds had spoons!  Look out!
These are the seeds from only one persimmon! It had multiple seeds (FIVE) and all the seeds had spoons! Look out! | Source
This is Interstate I-44 just south of Joplin, Missouri.  We had 30 inches of snow.  The persimmon had double seeds and both had spoons!  Another year's prediction correct!
This is Interstate I-44 just south of Joplin, Missouri. We had 30 inches of snow. The persimmon had double seeds and both had spoons! Another year's prediction correct! | Source

The Center Of The Seed Says.....

This year, 2011, we went out and picked up several persimmons. Following the forecasting tradition, we wrote down on our calendar our results. We checked two persimmons. One had two seeds. A more intense version of the prediction. The other persimmon had FIVE seeds!!! OH NO!!! Now what did the seeds hold inside? What will the weather be this winter?

Spoons! EVERY seed held a spoon! With every seed there was a spoon. Each persimmon had multiple seeds. More intense and significant snow. That is the persimmons' prediction for the winter of 2011-12. Will it hold true yet another year? We will see. Watch with me!

By the way, I am going to buy a new snow shovel. The persimmon held true last year with record snowfalls resulting in a broken snow shovel. I am expecting it to be true yet again this year and will need to be prepared.

One persimmon with 5 seeds....all 5 were knives!  O my!  What will that mean!?
One persimmon with 5 seeds....all 5 were knives! O my! What will that mean!? | Source
Cutting into the persimmon seed requires a serrated edge knife.  Simply remove the seed's sac and then stand on edge and saw along the "seam."
Cutting into the persimmon seed requires a serrated edge knife. Simply remove the seed's sac and then stand on edge and saw along the "seam." | Source
The seeds either held a spoon or a knife.  See the knife tip and the spoon?  They are clearly visible!
The seeds either held a spoon or a knife. See the knife tip and the spoon? They are clearly visible! | Source
Here is one half of each seed.  Out of 19 seeds, there were 3 blanks, 7 knives and 9 spoons!
Here is one half of each seed. Out of 19 seeds, there were 3 blanks, 7 knives and 9 spoons! | Source

Winter 2012 Results

Well....I gathered up 8 persimmons and in those 8 there were a grand total of 19 seeds!! One fruit had 5 seeds, several had 3 seeds and we all know that leads to the potentially intensified prediction. That being said, let's recap Winter 2011-2012. We had serious spoons show in the fruit AND multiple seeds. Our winter however.....stalled out! Here in Kansas, we experienced a very mild winter with little snow, ice or ANY type of weather! We had a cold spell or two with bitter cold temps, but not long ones nor were they very frequent. To have correctly predicted this winter, we should have had some forks. Forks represent mild weather. It is amazing how God's creation can duplicate silverware tools that we have on our tables! Or....maybe amazing how our ancestors duplicated the tools shown in the persimmon. In the persimmon's defense, the record breaking snow occurred in January of 2011....so 2011 DID have serious snow! Anyway, I was disappointed somewhat, as I really did buy that shovel!

Now, the persimmon prediction for 2012-2013 is mixed. I have added pictures to show the current 2012-2013 weather prediction for here in Kansas. Of the 19 seeds, 3 were absolutely blank. No prediction from them. Curious? Possibly...but they were from the same fruit. To my knowledge there is no significant meaning behind them. Then I had 9 seeds that showed spoons. Spoons tell us there will be significant snow. What else did I find? Some knives!! Yes...knives! Knives represent ice. 7 seeds had very distinct knives. I hope those are wrong! Ice is never a good thing for weather! I am actually hoping the persimmon is wrong about the ice, but I want them to be right for my Grandmother's sake! Hmmmm....what a dilemma!

Do you have persimmons? Check them out and let us know what you find! I will update and we'll see how the persimmon plays out!

Prediction Update

Well....this year the persimmon did not disappoint! As a matter of fact, it was more accurate than Little Phil the groundhog! We have had several good sized snowfalls. Kansas City, has an average snowfall of about 15 inches each year. This year, before March 1st, we have already had 25.5 inches of snow according to the National Weather Service. Since March 1st, Kansas City has had, through today, Palm Sunday, March 23rd, an additional 6.5 inches of snow bringing this winter up to 32 inches so far. The records record October through April being considered a winter. I am curious to see where totals of the winter of 2012-13 will finally end. We are sneaking up on double the average. I do want to note that along with the snow, yes...each time there has been ice, so that also validates those knives the persimmons showed.

We did have thunder in February, and the saying is Thunder in February....Frost in May! But that is another story! For now, we bow in respect to the accuracy of the persimmon.

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Text and Photo Copyright 2011, 2012 Deborah M. Carey

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AliciaC 5 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

What an interesting hub! I've never heard of using a persimmon seed to forecast the weather, and I didn't know that there was a silverware symbol inside the seed. Thanks for an entertaining article. I'm very interested in seeing if this year's persimmon seed prediction is true!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

AliciaC,

Thanks for the compliments! It has been correct the past 5 years! I am buying a new snow shovel in preparation! Thanks for reading!


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Om Paramapoonya 5 years ago

How interesting. I had never heard of this weather predicting method before in my life. Thanks for sharing! :)


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CarliFrenneman 5 years ago

Such a weird article but at the same time so awesome! Loved it! I've never had a persimmon though. What does it taste like?


The Fastionista 5 years ago

This is so cool - Thanks for such a great hub! Leave it to nature - it knows what it's doing. My family and I just went through a similar issue with ice & snow during the winter storm that hit the northeast over Halloween - out of power (no heat, hot water, stove, etc.) for nearly a week - I bet the persimmons knew that was coming. I'll make sure I'm ready for a snowy season - voted up, useful, and interesting!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Om,

I had heard of it from my grandmother when I was young growing up in New Mexico, but we did not have persimmon trees there. I moved to Kansas where my grandmother was from and began following this with my preschoolers and was amazed to find it to be accurate....so far anyway! Thanks for reading!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Carli,

Thanks for reading!! I thought it was interesting! We just checked them, so...of course, a hub was born! They are bitter and tart straight off the tree, but we make a jam out of them, so cooked and sweetened they are great! They resemble an apricot in texture and taste...sort of!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Fashionista,

I feel pretty confident in its predictions! I bought a new snow shovel today, so I am ready! We are laying in wood for the fireplace this weekend, then the snow can come! It is like Survivor - winter style, isn't it!?! Thanks for reading and the votes!


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Kris Heeter 5 years ago from Indiana

My morning Jazzercise ladies (retirees) every year will discuss the upcoming winter weather based on this and high high the squirrels build their next. It's always fun to here these traditional ways of making weather predictions and as I seem to recall, they were right on the money last year. I also love listening to many of their home remedies - all used when they were kids! Thanks for sharing this!


myron 5 years ago

My persimmons don't have any pits...


Allietag 5 years ago

I was excited to run across your hub on Google. I am a reading teacher and in an effort to explain how the persimmon seed predicts the weather I turned to the net. We loved the pictures (student is only 6) and she was able to tell her classroom teacher all about it when she returned to class. We are going to get some persimmons tonight and give this a try.

We are in NE Kansas and shared your ice and 10 days w/out electricity several years ago!


Allietag 5 years ago

What happens if the persimmon has NO seed? I went to the store and bought one as I have no idea where I would find one locally. (I live in N.E. Kansas) The one I bought had no seed!!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Kris,

Thanks for reading! Tell me....squirrels?? What is the meaning behind their nests? This year the nests are at the very tip top of the trees here.....


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Myron,

I am told that no seed just means that there was no cross pollination for that particular bloom...I will have to research that further? My grandmother is not alive any longer, but I have run across some persimmons that are seedless from time to time. It has not had any bearing on our prediction results however. Not to the best of our observations! Thanks for reading!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Allietag,

I am an Early Childhood Teacher so was extra thrilled that this hub helped a child!! I am SO disappointed that you, like Myron, had no seed!! I would gladly send you some seeds if you like, so you can cut them open and see! I am not sure the persimmons would make a trip very well, but I can sure send seeds! Feel free to send me an address! Thanks for reading and commenting!


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Kris Heeter 5 years ago from Indiana

Squirrels - in the fall, if they build their nests higher up in the trees the folklore is that it means lots of snow coming in the winter:)


Allietag 5 years ago

A friend brought me some seeds from a local farm. They weren't "fresh" and were very difficult to open as they didn't come in their fleshy wrapper. We got one clear spoon and others that appeared to be spoons but were split unevenly and were hard to tell. (We had to soak the seeds for awhile before we could crack them. She is going to get some whole persimmons this weekend and see if that makes a difference. In any event, I have enjoyed torturing all the adults at school with my new found persimmon knowledge!!


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Trees for me 5 years ago from www.treesforme.com

Really very interesting! I too, had never heard of this. I really enjoyed the close up pic of the 'spoon' :) Thanks for the info!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Kris,

O my!!! The squirrel nests ARE on the very tip top of the trees!!! We will see!! Thanks for the information!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Trees,

Glad you have enjoyed this hub! It has always been fun to track and so far it has been dependable! Thanks for reading!


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prektjr.dc 5 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Allie,

I am SO glad that you have enjoyed this hub! I am pleased that you have followed through as well!! I am anxious to have it prove true for your student AND the adults around you!! It is a fun conversation piece! Enjoy!


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Adebayo Onanuga 4 years ago from Lagos, Nigeria

I will want to keep in touch to learn whether this 'really natural' way of predicting snow will work.


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Adebayo,

I will keep you up to date! So far a rather mild winter, but we often have the worst weather during late January through Mid March! Still time to see! Thanks for reading!


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Adebayo Onanuga 4 years ago from Lagos, Nigeria

thanks. I will look out for the update.


Ginger 4 years ago

Yes! I live in southwest Missouri and it is a very reliable source so far I am not really sure I have ever heard it to b wrong. My family has lived in nw AR forever and say that it has always been accurate however I have never seen one in person I have seen it on the news I wasn't sure what they were this year so I am thankful for the hub! It is neat to see the pictures too!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Hey Ginger,

We are neighbors! Thanks for reading and the reinforcement!! Last year was interesting at best, waiting to see what this year holds! We bought metal snow shovels and I have all the staples laid in....now when will it begin!?!


Ginger2 4 years ago

All my seeds 16 of them had spoons this year and we had no winter at all. It was hardly ever cold. One dusting of snow and they are off the same tree that was correct in 2010-2011. I am blaming it on my husband he bought a new tractor with a bucket. From NC


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Ginger2,

I have had the same thoughts! This is the first winter that the seeds have not been accurate! My husband says to listen to the groundhog...winter isn't over yet!! I am almost hoping! In the meantime, maybe that new tractor your husband bought is the best snow prevention tool invented! Thanks for commenting! Still waiting here in Kansas......


David 4 years ago

I live in East Texas. I've checked 10 persimmon seeds all were spoons!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

David,

I haven't checked yet this year! I will have to go out and see what we have! Thanks for reading! I will post this year's results from SE Kansas soon!


randy 4 years ago

Just checked my trees near Carl junction mo fruit on the ground shows spoon.


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Randy,

Checking to see if we have some on the ground this weekend! Thanks for reading AND for sharing your findings! Hmmmm.....we will see! That is snow!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Ok...added in the results from this year! Check the final paragraph!


othinkle 4 years ago

Open up several seeds here in Oklahoma and all were spoons ! Yep get your snow boots out ... oct/12


crystal 4 years ago

Thank you. I don't have a persimmon tree or access to one, this really helps. I look forward to people like you helping


KarenN 4 years ago

Beggs, OK 2012-2013 seeds are all spoons so far!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

othinkle,

I will be anxious to hear how the weather patterns play out with your seeds all having spoons! Thanks for reading!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

crystal,

Thanks for reading! I love comparing the predictors in nature to the actual weather, glad to share!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

KarenN,

Again...only spoons in Oklahoma, but mixed with knives here in KS....Hmmmm....the mystery of nature continues! Thanks for reading and sharing your results!


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Enelle Lamb 4 years ago from Canada's 'California'

What a unique way to check the weather...I will definitely have to see if I can find some persimmons.


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Stephanie Keith85 4 years ago

Hello Friend,

I enjoyed your article. We often check the seeds to see what the winter weather might be. This year we picked three fruit. They each had only one seed but they were all spoons. I think I will make a trip to the hardware store for a snow shovel. Better safe than sorry.


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Stephanie_Keith85,

Hello!! Thanks for reading...let me know how your winter turns out! LOL! Glad to have you prepared!


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Enelle,

Thanks for reading! Be sure to let me know what you find! God Bless!


Sherri, 4 years ago

I've cut open my persimmons and found spoons here in Garrison, Texas fowintered coming winter.


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Sherri,

Thanks for sharing it with us! I will definitely be interested in hearing how your winter goes as well! Thanks for reading!


Lisa 4 years ago

Here in NW GA we got spoons =)


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prektjr.dc 4 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Lisa,

Thanks for reading and sharing! Be sure to let us know how your weather is this winter!


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rebeccamealey 3 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

This is fascinating. I will sure be checking out those persimmon seeds at the end of next fall!


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prektjr.dc 3 years ago from Riverton, KS, USA Author

Going out into the snow tomorrow to get persimmons! They were still on the tree yesterday, but we have had a serious hard freeze now, so should be able to find some! I will post the results of this year's crop. Safe to say it should have something other than a fork!!


Minimom 2 years ago

my hair stylist told me today about the persimmon forecast and found this information! Thank you! Very interesting & I will watch for snow levels. Yes, squirrels nest are high in the trees & they packing away the acorns! Another good forecast!

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