New Hubbers: Regarding Images...

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   theraggededgeposted 6 years ago

   You wouldn't take someone else's writing, so why do so many of you think it's okay to steal photographs?
   
   A photo or work of art is a creative endeavour, the same as a piece of writing. Therefore, it usually belongs to someone.
   
   HubPages is a commercial site. One where you hope to earn some money, yes? How would you feel if someone took your own carefully produced images and republished them elsewhere in order to make money with them? In most cases you wouldn't, right?
   
   Legal-to-use images:
   
   *Have a Creative Commons License (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/). Be careful with CC images - some forbid use on a commercial site and HubPages is a commercial site.
   
   *Be in the Public Domain https://www.teachingcopyright.org/hando … n-faq.html
   
   *You must have explicit permission to use them from the copyright holder.
   
   *Or, safest of all, take your own photos.
   
   Please read this: https://hubpageshelp.com/content/Learni … -image-use

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      makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Well said!

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      chefsaeedposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I think You copied some pictures too.

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         theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Any images I use are published under a Creative Commons license. Better check your facts before throwing around unfounded accusations.
         
         And, for your information, none of my hubs are copied from anywhere, so no point leaving comments saying so. Whereas yours are obviously copied and pasted from other sites. That's called 'plagiarism'. Stealing, in other words.

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            lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You first take down a guy stealing your content and now this dude is banned on HP. Nice

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               theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               LOL! I must be on a roll.
               
               That guy (or some of his little pals) has been leaving comments all over my hubs. Different names, saying 'copid'. I think he meant 'copied'. Oh and 'boring'
               
               Never a dull moment.
               
               That other guy, the content-stealer, and I are good pals now. He prepaid for another 2,000 words, which I sent off today. He sends me money, phones me up or emails me, tells me his keywords and I get on with it. He's paid me $400 this week, including the bill I sent him

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                  lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  that's great! So I think it's safe to assume that he really did not know that the other person was copying content for him.

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                     theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I think so. However, he must have known about the previous DMCAs  because they were sent to him. Although he is involved in the electronics industry, he doesn't seem cognizant with the day-to-day internet stuff.

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                        lobobrandonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I see. Now he kind of is

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   Jesse Drzalposted 6 years ago

   I was going to use a Fair Use photo for a music article off of wiki. It was an album cover art and was property of the record label. The rules from what I could tell did not forbid use for commercial application, but did not say it was ok...frankly the rules just read like a pile of legal mumbo jumbo. I opted not to use it to be safe, although the label most likely would not care because it's promoting their artist and their product.

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      theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, sometimes those Wikimedia terms of image use are confusing.

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         Jesse Drzalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It made my eyes sore to be honest..

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      psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Generally packaging like album cover art or book covers are something the creator's permit you to use, because it promotes their product.  That is one area that I would not worry to much about.  After all, you could put an Amazon ad of the album in with a picture, no problem--even if it is out of production and they are only selling used copies.

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         TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         The sticking point in your advice is the word "generally".  Why take the chance?  Posting an image of something as an individual writer is not the same is posting an Amazon ad for a product.  Different rules and guidelines.
         
         It only takes one company or person to want to sue, and then YOU are the one who gets nailed...not the person who gave you advice!

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            psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            If I feel it really is chancy, I don't do it.  But the rule situation re: promotional images is far less chancy than the rule about quoting text under fair use.  You can find all kinds of fair use of text lawsuits but I have never found one over promotional images.
            
            I once had an author threaten to sue me because i used a book cover image next to a less-than-favorable review of her book.  My reply was: go for it.  Nothing ever came of it.
            
            I want to follow the law and I try very hard to know and understand the law.  But then I do what I feel is right and lawful rather than always follow the precautionary principle.

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               Jesse Drzalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I was thinking it would be fine too pskinner..in the end it really is just more promotion for them. But, better safe than sorry. Could always try and contact them I guess as well.

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                  makingamarkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  The only people who decide whether and where they promote is the image owner. They don't need any help from you and an explanation of "I was helping to promote them" doesn't stand up in court.
                  
                  However IF you are somebody who has used an image without permission sooner or later it will catch up with you.
                  
                  I advise artists on how to send invoices to people who use images without consent and a properly authorised licence.
                  
                  The only circumstances in which you can use an image without consent are the fair use exemptions.
                  
                  Bottom line if you don't own an image and you are not absolutely certain the image is free to use then you better be 100% conversant with the fair use exclusions and be 100% compliant with them

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               TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I repeat:  In the past few months two hubbers have been sued for using images without permission.  End of story.  To me, none of this is worth the risk, but to each his own.

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      TIMETRAVELER2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe so, maybe not.  You can always contact the record company and ask their permission.  A lot depends on who owns the rights to the photo.  Sometimes a company buys the rights, but sometimes they just pay the photographer or artist and let THEM keep the rights.  In the second case, the company does not have the right to give you permission to use an album cover, so you have to find out who the photographer is and get written permission.
      
      You may not think that a "big" company cares about this, but you are wrong.  They have a vested financial interest in things like this and some will sue quickly.  In the past few months I know of TWO hubbers who have been sued for using images without permission, and it can get expensive.
      
      You did the right thing by not using the photo.

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         Jesse Drzalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Better to be safe I agree.

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   pen promulgatesposted 6 years ago

   Bev, I suggest when a new Hubber joins, if he gets a stickler or note like this (helpful) one that you have created, it will help a lot. It must pop up to them as a caution. Or, when they upload their very first image, a note like this must auto populate. All this because newbies, majoritively, learn the image rule only after joining HP.

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