Even the NRA is willing to regulate bump stocks

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   promisemposted 6 years ago

   The most powerful gun lobby in the country, which fiercely opposes any gun legislation, is now saying it is willing to regulate the bump stocks used in the Vegas massacre.
   
   I'm curious if the people posting on HP forums against gun laws agree or disagree with the NRA.
   
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos … story.html

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It is high time that this NRA begins to finally listen to reason.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Next step is figuring out how to "regulate" making them in your garage, on a $300 machine that is widely available.  Suggestions?

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I can't change the way people think, 'homicide'. But like every other legally defined crime, if you are caught at any stage ofmanufacfure, distribution..... There is that word again, deterrent. A deterrent is always better than nothing in a world where you cannot spot every speeding driver, all the time.

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   colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

   I think its good they are willing to sit down at the table to talk.  Why not.

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. Thanks.

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   wildernessposted 6 years ago

   Yes and no.  I fully support making them illegal; given that they are easily made on any 3-D printer I don't think it will do any good.  Pandora's box has been opened, and shutting it isn't as easy as passing a law that we cannot enforce.

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      Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Wilderness, I agree with you.  Banning them will only make certain criminal elements have them. Especially since they can be made by a 3-D printer...we're only going to see more of them.  Again, laws will only be followed by the law abiding...criminal elements are never impacted by laws.  That's reality.

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         Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You guys are amazing, you would have the same excuse if we were talking about, say, your right to possess tactical nuclear weapons as opposed to yourneighbor. Murder has been unstopable in the human experience but does making it legal and having no penalties in its regard going to help? All of you  always can be so much more definitive drawing parameters around the abortion issue and a woman's options. Why is this issue finding only the same meely mouth conservative responses.?

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You mean "meely mouth conservative responses" like "I fully support making them illegal"?  It's what I said, after all.
            
            Or does "mealy mouth" mean saying that I don't think laws will help because they're too easy to make at home?  We should all follow the liberal method of closing our eyes and ears to reality in the hopes that utopia will occur or we're "mealy mouthed"?  We should all pretend that if people that would only use them for fun don't have one it means killers won't whip one out in a few minutes on that nifty gadget they just bought?
            
            The ability of the liberal mind to live in a make believe world is absolutely amazing, as is their demand that everyone else join them in their fantasy.

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               Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I have asked you before, wilderness, is there ever a line between a legally possessed firearm and military ordinance for you and the conservative mindset? Why not say the same on the same line about anything and everything? Are there any limits? You said that it is legally possible to own a machine gun. I was thinking that that permit, if granted, would be rare at best. Oh, I just want one? Yes, I want a Granade launcher with live grenades, too, maybe a working anti-aircraft gun in the backyard Even YOU said that this accessory circumvent the restriction on possession of fully automatic weapons, yet you have no problems allowing for their proliferation like so many lillies in the field?
               
               Liberals may talk about utopia, but conservatives takes stands making the Flintstones appear forward relative to the needs of a modern society.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  With this rant I can only repeat, for the third time: "I fully support making them illegal".
                  
                  Unlike you, however, I live in the real world where it takes minutes for a normal homeowner to print one out, and I'd like to see how we're going to fix that problem as well.  You bury your head in the sand if you wish; I'd like actual solutions rather than pretend ones.

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   colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

   Question ... Can a person be accurate using a scope on a rifle fitted with a bump fire at that range and height from the 32nd floor?  I have never used a bump myself but am wondering if it would be a recipe for a black eye.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Can't believe there is any accuracy at all.  Just point and shoot more than anything.

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         colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It seems it would have to take a lot of experience even for superman.

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   colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

   Why do you suppose Obama's ATF in 2010 decided not to regulate these devices?

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps like the NRA, they didn't know the capabilities of a bump stock. Some admitted as much. The easier thing to do is outlaw any magazines over 20 rounds or so. You cannot copy a large capacity clip with a 3D printer. Yes, you may be able to get them on the black market but the cost would be prohibitive for most "legal" gun owners, and then they could not claim they are law abiding citizens after all.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         "Yes, you may be able to get them on the black market but the cost would be prohibitive for most "legal" gun owners"
         
         Given that very few murders are accomplished using "legal" guns, and "illegal" owners will large magazines from the black market, why bother to ban them?

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         But beyond that, Randy, you don't need a bump stock.  Bet you didn't know about this:
         http://concealednation.org/2017/10/full … t-on-fire/
         Worth a listen to both libs and conservatives!

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            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You lose that wager, Dan. I already knew about this technique. Me being a leftist you wouldn't think I knew anything technical about firearms, but I can field strip a weapon faster than you can I'd wager. In my younger years I was considered a marksman with a rifle or any other firearm. I've only harvested one deer using a scope and felt bad about it although it was a difficult shot. My deer rifle of choice is a hundred year old Mosin Nagant, the same rifle the famous Russian sniper used in the Battle of Stalingrad.
            
            I'm just telling you all this because I want you to know I respect the use of firearms for the right purpose, not simply because someone wants one.

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Hmm.  Sounds like you didn't watch the video.  If not, you should - it really is worth the 5 minutes of time.  It would be worth double that if it were longer, and I seldom watch Utube videos.
               
               And you DID watch it, and already knew the technique, then I don't believe a word of your hunting and gun stories!

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I could be wrong, but I don't think the ATF has the legal authority to regulate specific weapons or devices on its own. It has to come from laws made by Congress.
      
      But your overall point is well taken. The responsibility for the existence of bump stocks belongs to plenty of different people, organizations and politicians.

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         colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Wayne LaPierre has said for years that we should take a look at bump stocks, and look at regulating them.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            ColorfulOne, it seems like they all talk a lot but don't ever take much action.

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               colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Under Obama you could have bought an AR with bump stock for about $1300. Under Trump, that's about $350.  Big difference.

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   colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

   That video is an eye opener.  I didn't know that that was possible.

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