Arizona Law. Do you have papers ?

"University of Arizona associate professor Sandra Soto has come under intense criticism for talking about Arizona immigration laws in her graduation speech last week.

In her address to the College of Social and Behavioral Sciences (video and full text below), she called up on the class of 2010 to use their critical thinking skills to solve the state's problems and openly voiced her disapproval for Arizona's newly passed immigration laws. Her reasoning, she said, was in part because her field of scholarship, Chicano studies, was "under attack in [the] legislation."

The audience reaction was split -- along with jeers came applause"

Arizona Law-The proposed Arizona law is a serious attack on civil liberties. Giving the police and other designated persons the right to stop and search and arrst citizens to see whether or not they are a legal or illegal immigrant is a bridge too far. Unless you have in your possession papers which document your citizenship you can be detained. The policy reminds one of Nazi Germany where the' Brown Shirts' would go around stopping and checking to see if you had any 'jewish blood' in you If you did you were in serious trouble and would be detained immediately with no bail. The proposed Law is wrong and should be scrapped anf buried forever. President Barack Obama has in fact said so much himself, although his words are couched in far more diplomatic terms than mine. Obama said, "The misdirected expression of frustration over our broken immigration system' President Obama went on: I want every American to know my administration has devoted unprecedented resources in personnel and technology to securing our border. Illegal immigration is down, not up, and we will continue to do what's necessary to secure our shared border."

Obama went on .

"And so the Arizona legislature late last month passed what some consider a Draconian immigration law, the harshest in the country. One that allows law enforcement to detain anyone they suspect might be here illegally and to hold that person until the feds can verify his or her status. And to criminally charge individuals if they are not carrying proper proof of citizenship or immigration status on their person. It will lead to wrongful arrest wrongful imprisonment and will result in numerous compensation claims in the future for wrongful arrest."

Sarah Palin has weighed into the debate by saying this "that were are Arizonans now and that President Obama should be doing more now to secure our borders."

To fix our broken immigration system, I reaffirmed my deep commitment to working with Congress in a bipartisan way to pass comprehensive immigration reform. And comprehensive reform means accountability for everybody: government that is accountable for securing the border; businesses being held accountable when they exploit workers; people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship. We've been working hard to get this done. There's a strong proposal in the Senate, based on a bipartisan framework, and it can and should move forward.

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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Pollyannalana & Tony 0724 Is the problem that they are in your state or is is that they are in a desperate state-homeless, no money, sick dis-orientated..?


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tony0724 6 years ago from san diego calif

Barry you know nothing obviously about the problem at the border. I live in a border city. And the problem is real and serious !


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Pollyannalana 6 years ago from US

I would have no problem showing ID and proving who I am, Americans have been doing it forever, where are you from?


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Nuyorican21 6 years ago from New York, NY

The economic side of the argument is not as cut and dry as one may think:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/i...

Theres a good bit about the small agricultural business as well in there.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin

We spend 22 million dollars a day on illegal aliens from Mexico. America is going broke supporting a third world country and we just can't do it anymore!

Arizona had the courage to step up to the plate, and now the other SW states that are over run with illegals are going to be next! Just wait and see!

Never underestimate the American people once they are riled up, and believe me, we are riled up over this.

If we have weak politicians, we are going to vote them out to kingdom come.

Obama will not see a second term, unless he deports all those illegal aliens.

We simply cannot afford to look the other way anymore. When times were good we paid for all the illegals health care, even while Americans went without. But, now, its a differnt story.

I think this reccession is a good thing, because people wake up.

I live all the way up here in Wisconsin, where illegals are a minor problem compared to the SW, and even we are getting sick of it.

WHY?? Because the illegals act ENTITELED, that's why! they have no respect for our laws, no respect for America, and we are not going to take it anymore. Who do they think they are anyway?

If they want to come here, do it legally, that's all we ask, then they are more than welcome. However, there is not going to be room for everyone.


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ConsciousObserver 6 years ago

It may not because we have fallen into a trend where we have weak politicians only worried about keeping their paycheck and getting votes. Many are no longer concerned at taking the first step because it requires courage and risk.

But, Arizona is hope and a good start at bringing the topic at center stage where it should have been years ago including today.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Yes but I will put my house on it that It just wont happen !


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ConsciousObserver 6 years ago

It only takes a few individuals and states like Arizona to have courage to step up and secure our borders and enforce the laws. I can't see any politicians stepping up that is worried about being polite and pleasing everyone, stepping up requires courage to hurt some peoples feelings and make tough decisions.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

can you see any politician trying to deport several million people it is just not feasable !


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ConsciousObserver 6 years ago

Intervention on the federal and state level to stop illegals from entering and to get illegals out that are already here. We have developed systems and laws of obtaining legal status for specific reasons, so we are conscious of why and who the people are that want to enter the country.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

ConsciousObserver so your solution would be ?


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ConsciousObserver 6 years ago

The taxes they pay for minimum illegal salaries they make do not make up for them and their families medical expenses along with keeping legal citizens without jobs. It doesn't even come close. The job examples like washing cars or other jobs of low skill is the illusion of making my life easier while it is really making it harder in the long run.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

ConsciousObserver-dont the illegals pay tax when they buy things doesnt that generate income for other Americans. When they wash your car or deliver your shopping or working in menial jobs doesnt that make your life easier ?


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ConsciousObserver 6 years ago

It's easy to write hubs like this when you aren't in the country to pay taxes and medical for all of the illegals. It's also easy when you haven't read the law that contains specific provisions against profiling requiring probable cause for any stop. It's also easy when you are the fan of our celebrity president the media has incorrectly persuaded you with.

He said himself that we are not a country of borders and you believe he is going to enforce stricter border laws? This is a clear observational contradiction.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin

Well written hub, but I disagree with you.

Arizona has to do something about the illegal aliens. They got zero help from the Feds.

Where is the proper fence? A high, electrified fence would solve all kinds of problems, but we can't seem to get one in place.

As far as carrying papers, if you are in any other country and you are not a citizen, you must have your passport handy. What is so bad about that?

Do you think you could go down to Mexico with no ID or passport? How would Mexico treat us if we took down their flag and put up the red, white and blue?

The illgel aliens have no respect for our customs and heritage, and that just is not right.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Arizona’s new measure allowing the police to detain anyone suspected of being in the country without papers has forced politicians far and wide to take a stance. But unlike in Washington, where a general consensus exists among establishment Republicans, the fault lines in the states — where the issue is even more visceral and immediate — are not predictable.

Conservative Republican governors like Jim Gibbons of Nevada, Robert F. McDonnell of Virginia and Rick Perry of Texas have all criticized the Arizona law. But some more moderate Republicans, like Tom Campbell, who is running in the party’s Senate primary in California, have supported it.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

I think yhr law allows any law enforment officer to detain any one he suspects he is illegal there are millions in Arizona !


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

I think for sometime Einstein was in fact illegal as the law stands today


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

Einstien immigrated legally, no one I know has an issue with folks that are here legally, and neither does the law in question.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

I agree its more retributio that solving the problem If indeed it is a real problem a people are people no matter what nationality Albert Einstein for instance was a refugee would we want to classidy him as an illegal alien ?


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jobister 6 years ago from Anaheim, California

I think the law is misguided because it doesn't solve the problem of illegal immigration. Check out this Cato Institute article, let me know what everyone thinks: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/27/misguide...


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

quite a few are on student visa or just visitor visa authorities tunr a blind eye most of the time !


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

You aare correct about that, but how many of the Indian workers are in your country ILLEGALLY? I would suspect they have a work visa, or immigration visa that allows them to work. I've traveled a fair bit of my life and every foreign country I've traveled to required me to carry my passport, (or in the case of Military Assignments Approved Orders and ID Card) I have been asked to produce them routinely. The Arizona Law doesn't require any more than that as does our federal law already on the books


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

A lof the jobs they do are menial for instance here in Australia Indians are now driving most of the Taxis in Brisbane because they can only earn about 8-10 dollars an hour on average the average dailty rate of an a normal salary is around 23 DOLLARS AN HOUR


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

Barry - The problem here is that 9% of the population of Mexico live and work here illegally. That equals about 12,000,000 people. Transpose those numbers to your country and ask yourself what you would do with that many Malaysians there without a passport. Maybe a tenth of them running drugs or weapons. The Arizona Border is a wide open sieve that the Federal Government has failed for the last 20 years to secure. There is no easy answer, but the Nazi Commentary is off base. As a Law Student I invite you to read the law and tell me then what you would object to if you were here.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070...

and I include this quote from the Los Angeles Times from May 1

Lawmakers on Thursday night changed the language to require scrutiny only of people who police stop, detain or arrest. They also changed a section of the bill that barred officers from "solely" using race as grounds for suspecting someone is in the country illegally; opponents had argued that that would allow race to be a factor. The legislators removed the word "solely" to bar race from being used by officers enforcing the law.

"It absolutely clarifies what the intent was," said Paul Senseman, a spokesman for Brewer, who supported the changes and is expected to sign them into law. "It's undeniable now that this bill will not lead to racial profiling."

So if our President would actually read the Bill an lay aside the petty partisan crap along with his Secretary of Homeland Security, and The US Attorney General they would recognize it for what it is and that is a call for help...


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Hmrjmr1 The special interst probable consit of half ort the American populatation i understand the lafgest gropwing constiuancy is Latinos' so now to start labelling them Illegal is going to cause friction.


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

Sir- If you had read the bill, (or the President or his Administration and so far they apparently haven't) you would see that it more restrictive to the local authorities than the Federal Law is to the Immigration Enforcement Service. The facts are that if you come in to the country LEGALLY you are informed that you must carry the visa or the permanent resident ID card with you at all times.

the law does not allow and expressly prohibits the Nazi tactics described above. Immigration reform is stalled in the Senate because both the Repubs and The Dems do not want to upset their designated special interests. The President has reduced funding for increased Border Patrol Agents and their equipment and training.

I have always welcomed informed comment from anywhere on issues in the US but sir you should do your homework.

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