American Anti-Nationalism

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Ungrateful Whine: antinationalist poison

Warning; this is a tangential rant & not designed for debatable difference;

Recently I exchanged words and ideas with a fellow hubber who doesn’t believe in patriotic duty or national pride. For me this posed a diplomatic challenge. In an era where keyboard muscles out flex cognitive restraint, I did my best to engage without insult or resorting to character assassination. It was clear that my opponent did not want to address a fundamental aspect of antinational impropriety; the fact that many before us sacrificed unrepayable debts for us to hold free opinions on such subjects.

I am without illusions of grandeur regarding our American history as one of victimless experiment. Gross deeds cannot be undone, immoral activity cannot be forgotten, and contemptuous evil does exist. Only with maturity and wisdom do fluid ideas of human improvement fuse together through the practice of trial. Inventor’s have an innate sense for knowing great discovery is only achieved through miserable failure. Great societies are not born of accident. Horrible empires are not ruled by wise men. Nations do not stand divided. God knew this and gave us a gentle reminder, “Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them ‘every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.’” (Mathew 12:25)

My Challenge to Anti-patriot’s and Antinationalist; (Serious Warning; this round I am not holding back, I am speaking freely and with my own emotive force. I am not concerned with toeing a line or converting fence sitters on this topic. Rather you care for your country and wish it the best or you are contributing to chaos and decay. There is no room for the indecisive when extremist want to wipe out our country and kill it's free citizens)


Air raids on London
Air raids on London

Those of you who live in democratic societies and enjoy the fruits of others labor, you are a problem. You are a disciple of division wondering blind among the forest of thieves. Your soul thirsts for wisdom yet only drinks from the well of chaos and deceit. You hunger for fulfillment and acceptance but hide in ignorance and immaturity. You apologize on behalf of your country for its sins, yet you bare no costs and selfishly want to strip others from enjoying free will. You hate an imperfect system, spewing colic vitriol from your putrid orifices looking for validation among the deaf. You propose nothing in existence or reality that can replace our “ultimate experiment.” You say you are sorry to new immigrants who suffered great toil, worked and slept on a subsistence of an American dream. You want to crush this; you want to demolish a society bled over by millions of families for your cause, perpetuating your reprisal against fallen soldiers. Your heinous contrition is but poisonous mercury collecting among your cerebrospinal fluid, slowly choking out cognitive function. You do not want wars; you do not want poverty, illiteracy, disease, strife, rejection or servitude. You want no allegiance to any flag, no nation under God and no pride of country. What senseless drivel, what utter nonsensical gibberish, have you no humility or emotional connection? Maybe you have been watching too many Artificial intelligence specials on the Discovery channel or drinking too much Nihilism Kool-Aid. What you propose is a society of nonbinding humans, tied to nothing and no one. You want a life without pain, suffering and anxiety. You want a dream, a fallacy and a Zoloft induced coma without end. My heart sincerely goes out to you and your family. To some of you, this belief of yours is a religion and not just a fashion statement. I would gladly lose a better place in heaven to save you from a worse place in Hades.

“Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton (oops, you probably wont care since this came from a patriotic founding father. While the man shares what all mankind does, “fallibility,” you nevertheless dispatch from you lexicon any wise anecdotes made by well read nationalists)

You must also wonder where this deep seeded anger comes from. In this work, I will be considered an extremist and hurtful, thus only looking to match or somehow out do my sincere conviction. True opponents to the contrary of these opinions never admit gratefulness for what we have been given by the blood of the worthy. I state worthy, and signify value to cause embodied in men and women who gave there all. I value those who served in office, in rank and in field. I know horrible individuals died along side great American’s. I know unworthy individuals served in office, have done wrong under our flag, and have committed adultery with other nations. My words here are leveled at the one world order conflagration.

Battle of Antietam
Battle of Antietam

Let’s dance with history; in your world, was Abraham Lincoln a wise man? Can you find any agreement that he held back the gates of hell from swallowing the African American people for centuries to come? Can you for a moment picture how horrible life would be under the banner of the Confederate States of America? This will of one man had to be so strong, fortified by the divinity of God that America divided would be a horrible country and one not for pursuing the course of equality for all.

Pacifism and hopeful delusions; the French in the 1930’s were not acting as an island unto themselves as Hitler ascended to power. The French were sympathetically exhausted from WWI and wanted nothing to do with shedding another generation of precious youth. Not unlike our 1970’s administrations, the French were noncommittal to making appropriate preparations and working toward the good of protecting its citizens. No amount of Hitler’s periphery demonstrations would shake the French from self delusion. The answer was subjugation, occupation and prayer for the American’s and allies to save them from themselves.

The call to rally Britons; was Winston Churchill not a wise man? Was he not another one of those figures in history like the Phoenix who rises up from the ashes to bring together a people united for a cause against tyranny? Had Britain not stood united under its flag and challenged Hitler’s Third Reich, the poor French may never have been liberated.

What is certain; what is certain is the need of a strong America to fight against the evils of humanity while collectively striving for better self rule and improved government. To you reality deniers, the non-existence of America in this world certainly gives global evil a free pass. You arrogant Canadians who have benefited from our mighty hand and generous actions, you scoff through your unchallenged veil as if it was your pompous greatness that protected your borders. You owe William H. Seward a portion of your selfish gratitude. You owe the American navy the other half of your repose. Proximity is a wonderful thing when your neighbor is the strongest nation on earth. Not only does the weakest of nations such as Mexico benefit from America’s newer found restraint, but it still serves its neighbors as the big brother you do not want to involve in a fight. If we really practiced the ridiculous charges by the Leftist of Imperialism, it would take all of 36 hours to annihilate all Mexican resistance and ad thousands of miles of beautiful beach front property to the U.S. territory. What’s stopping our Imperialist machinations? I will tell you, the constant perpetuation of the idea of America as a force for good. It is America as a sense of democratic viral infection.

You pathetic hemoglobin bags cannot see past your own inflated sense of cunning to recognize that China is adopting portions of American capitalism. You refuse to see the swan song of a modern Greek tragedy playing out on our 24/7 news cycle. You hide from the words of your Cuban hero when he codifies the fall of communism. You brave antinationalist sit in the safety of your favorite coffee shop writing your selfmasterbatory blogs about how great a less powerful America would be. Your perfidy has no limit as your ponder a zero missile America, not thinking for one second that you share the same sentiment of an Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, congratulations on such a dubious distinction.

In closing, if you not could see through my thinly veiled disdain, I want you to know that you should worship a moderate government that keeps me from exercising the power of deporting you and your treasonous ilk. I truly believe anti-patriots should live a decade in either Saudi Arabia, Cuba or Lebanon before being given the chance to show your new found respect to the Nation that bore you your unalienable rights.

God Bless those who love America, free will and truth bearing hard work.  To all those who grovel before the feet of distributionist, keep your covetous eyes to your own toil.

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kendra sanders 6 years ago

Well said. It is liberals and a secular world view that hold such ingratitude for our forefathers, soldiers, and freedom. Our children are being raised in a society where anything and everything goes, where everyone believes in everything, but at the same time believes in nothing. Eveyone wants to be accepted for "who they are" without taking any responsibility as to "who they are". They believe in nothing so they don't even know "who they are" they are neither hot nor cold and change with the blowing of the wind, but you can bet that if given an opportunity to argue they will. They call accepting atrocities as being "open minded". They call these atrocities being sophisticated. They think they are too sophisticated to follow a God that told us how to live in the form of a Bible, but what they don't realize is that their sophistication mirrors that of Sodom and Gomorrah, and if they have by some off chance heard of this they do not know that they also worship the god called Baal who was encouraged through Noah's descendant Nimrod, a mighty hunter...of men. This god required child sacrifices, does this ring a bell? Is burning children any different than having chidren vacuumed out of the womb. It is all called murder no matter how sterile and sophisticated it is. Keep up the excellent writing.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Kendra, thank you for the compliments. I couldn’t agree with your biblical perspective more. Your bring up a great point about sterilization; I wonder how America would react if news camera’s followed young women in to abortion rooms to video tape every gruesome abortion, just like they want to video tape every killed and injured soldier as fodder for stopping the war. It is an unfortunate thing having so many double standards as a way of life. Thanks for the feedback.


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James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

This is a fabulous polemic. I enjoyed every word of it. If a country as great and benevolent as ours cannot end crime within its borders, it is mere foolishness to presume we have no worries from criminal regimes.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Thanks James,

You already cornered the market on thoughtful, diplomatically restrained fact finding. I simply cannot stomach egregious behavior toward our country, by citizens or Canadians. I can pick on Canadians with impunity because I have both sides of my family filled with them. Cheers Eh!

I most certainly appreciate your commentary, I had to look up polemic…I am glad I have you to push my skill.


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50 Caliber 6 years ago from Arizona

Aye, a bold stance you have introduced, it mirrors much of my sentiments in this day and age. Most will stand up for America, but fail to commit. They say "we" are at war, I say to them, who the hell is "WE"? Our all volunteer military is at war, America is for the most part at the mall or watching some kind of sport on their TV or maybe a video game or texting with a phone they cannot/will not lay down. Only the soldiers and their friends and family issue forth prayers each day for the success and safe return of these youngsters, I'm not discrediting others, I just don't mean it that way, as I know others give thought and prayer, but it is direct contact that families and friends have to these young men and women. I was 17 in February at Parris Island SC. doing boot camp and by the end of June I was done with Advanced Infantry Training, AIT, then I got 2 weeks before reporting to the 3rd Marine Division in San Diego, Ca., with in a week I found myself on a military flight in web seating on the inside walls of a C-5 originating out of Travis AFB to Anchorage, AK. The jet was the largest of its kind and we were on the 3rd flight of this jet as it was tested for its abilities. Down the center were Jeeps, tanks and a Huey slick helicopter that was loaded in last. Knowing we were test rats didn't make you feel to warm and friendly as we left Anchorage headed to the air base in I think Okinawa or may have been Subic Bay. Anyway we were then dispatched in smaller aircraft to our destination of Vietnam. Point is, I suppose that was the fastest year of my life with rapid changes from being 17 hiding in the desert smoking, Lucky Strikes, with out getting caught and in trouble to turning 18 in the jungle for the first of three trips.

So nothings changed for the soldier as they offer up all they have, and "WE" here at home have to protect the freedoms of those who are often unable to even get their vote counted in elections, that is wrong on so many levels I cannot even begin to say. You have put forth an article I totally support, as Americans we need to drop the divisions that have been created by a bunch of politicians who, for the most part, didn’t and wouldn’t participate in the trenches of the common men and women that keep this country safe, and swear to protect the Constitution, against all enemies, foreign or domestic, at any cost. They swore me in but never swore me out. It is not funny that we have politicians that take the same oath and then spin around and try to tear down our walls from the inside out.

Where is the anger? The shouts? We all need to go to the polls in November and begin the process of a peaceful route to set things right, and pray that it is not too late, in a show of allegiance of support to the soldiers of today as they represent us with all they have to offer mind, heart, body and soul.

God Bless, 50


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

50, with reverence I hold up your wise words and real working knowledge of selfless sacrifice. It is a blessing to receive your reflection and hopefully it hits a number for those aimless drifters standing in handout lines. Thanks for your service and contribution, not just to this hub but America and American values.


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Micky Dee 6 years ago

Yo! 50 says enough for me I suppose. I'm an ex-Marine and did a stint in Nam. 50 did a couple or a few and is a true action hero. I am adamant about both parties being bought off. One clearly is. There cannot be a debate about that. But if you have money to buy on why stop at one? I'm paddling this canoe by myself. So- I'll tell it like it exactly is and be the talk at the water cooler. I am indeed for unity and there is NO WAY the true leaders of our nation will allow civility between the two parties. Aint going to happen and that makes a dictatorship when your leaders are chosen for you. THAT is the old USSR and Red China. God bless!


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hi Mikey,

And what I say for 50, I extend also to you. I appreciate you stopping by to read this and lend your commentary. This is encouraging. I agree with you about our current party system more than you could know, I just have no clue as to how we remove the lot of them. It would take a miracle to vote out all career leeches. Only time will show what America is ready for. Thanks friend.


Jane Taxpayer 6 years ago from Your innermost conscience

Yor hub seems pretty scattered, and I cannot seem to follow your point. At first, it sounds as though you are saying one must love it's country in spite of it's flaws, and then it appears as though you turn the other way and start chastising and critisizing what you see as the flaws, and saying these flaws need to be purged. What is the ONE singular point you are trying to make here?


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hello Jane,

Your critique is the first I have received stating my unclear thought process. Maybe it is my delivery that you find issue with and not my progressive fomenting.

Simplifying this with a different analogy, God created man in his image yet understood men’s motives and sinful nature. God gave Noah a project and then wiped out the rest of man kind. In America, we have factions, groups and leaders who wish to see America as a full blown socialist nightmare. Why else do communists and socialist hate American exceptionalism? Bluntly put, socialist and communists didn’t build this country and therefore should be purged to lands that already practice their brand of living. Do not destroy America for failed experiments shown all over the world.

Thank you for reading my hub and contributing to the discussion.


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Daniel J. Neumann 6 years ago from Harrisburg, Pa

Jason R. Manning,

Good day to you, sir. After absorbing your comment to me, I decided to read one of your hubs. I voted you up and gave you a “useful.” We’re certainly in disagreement on parts of your essay, but you also got so much correct.

I loved your quote from the Bible: “Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them ‘every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.’” (Mathew 12:25) And from Alexander Hamilton: “Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything.” The reason why the United States so easily exterminated and removed indigenous people from U.S. territory was our unity, even in the middle of the horrible civil war. Native Americans had tribal, group dignity, with their own spiritual beliefs and identity. In a micro level, Native Americans were nationalists in that they had intense patriotism for their tribe. Native American nations were extremely decentralized, like a confederacy. They never could unite with other tribes. That’s why they lost (and because Europeans were better at fighting each other, so invented guns).

America is dividing itself through racism, this bi-polar political system (with red or blue parties that want the same thing), and by the decay of the middle-class. In a larger sense, humanity, itself, divides itself through nationalism. We see ourselves less as citizens of the planet or members of one species, and subscribe to a national identity—like worshiping the state. Albert Einstein once said, “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.” He later (and I’m paraphrasing here) made the argument that there can only be one world or no world in an era of nuclear weapons. It’s too dangerous for military powers with the capability of that much destruction to fight each other. He also said, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Einstein was an advocate for a New World Order.

When you think about it (and I know you have), it’s a natural, logical, and practical progression of anarchy to order on a global scale. We start as tribes, make cities, and then nations spanning whole continents until the truest form of monopoly (the state) rules the world. I’m in agreement with you that the current International Authority forming is bad news. It’s the same old centralization, totalitarianism, and marriage of corporate industry and government (aka FASCISM). But it doesn’t have to be that way. We could have a decentralized, libertarian, and democratic world society, with individuals as the members of one club—al uniting with the internet (which travels at the speed of light). It’s more than possible (I wrote a hub on it, “Libracracy” and “From Paper to Digits”). It’s relevant and timely.

I just don’t think we’re ready yet. We’re still in the process of maturing. God, I pray we do in time.

Ideas like Marxism, an International Legal Structure, and human beings are too complicated to be either all wrong or all right. The truth often is presented in shades, so we need as many lenses as possible to achieve proper perspective. I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I hope you don’t get the wrong impression about how I received your thoughts. You’re more right than you’re wrong.

Thanks for sharing this,

Dan


Jane Taxpayer 6 years ago from Your innermost conscience

While we're on the subject of quotes from patriotic founding father's how about this one?

"Anyone who sacrifices a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

-Benjamin Franklin

After viewing your profile, and some of your comments, including the comments on the hub of this "anti-nationalist whiner" I must conclude you equate "nationalism" with "don't think for yourself."

And your argument about a "nation divided" is a weak argument, as you are doing nothing to unite your nation, but rather creating more divisions.

I do not believe nationalism is the danger our fellow hubber thinks it is, but than again, I do not find you to be nationalistic or patriotic. Just simply a fearmonger.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hi Jane, thanks for coming back.

I like you Ben Franklin quote, I think it works well too, but after all, he must have been a fear monger like me using such bold statements. You forgot to add “boogeyman” to my repertoire. I hide under children’s beds, telling them the IRS are coming to take their teddy bears if they don’t cough up the money the tooth fairy gave them. I also planted subliminal messages in elevator music encouraging everyone to by Hummers and Suburbans. These are just a few of my big bad evil right wing tactics. Please do not report me to George Soros, he is just too nice of a man, and a real humanitarian, he would absolutely kill me with kindness.

You see Jane, I do not plan on coming to your hub and calling you names, you aren’t serious about having dialogue with me, that’s why your comments are written to my readers and not directed to civil conversation. You can look up dozens of people I disagree with and I actually hold conversations with them. I will post your comments despite what you say Jane, in the end, the readers can see through the façade.


Jane Taxpayer 6 years ago from Your innermost conscience

Sorry, I was just calling the shots as I see them. I am glad you responded though.

As far as the Ben Franklin quote, he wasn't fearmongering, he was pointing out that making attacks on persons who disagree with you, as you have done in this hub, actually create divisions. Which is actually unpatriotic.

As noted in the hub of mine you commented on - and thank you for your comments - I live in Alberta, one of the largest oil exporters in North America. In your reply to my post here, you talk about Oil and Hummers. Go ahead, that just boosts my Province's economy.

You see, misdirection tactics don't bother me, and distracting your audience won't bother me, because I'll point out that you misdirect it the wrong way. So why don't we put down the attacks on each other, and start attacking the argument instead. That way we can find out what's really wrong and enter into a real dialogue.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Jane,

I thought I was pretty straight forward with you in my first reply to your concerns as I did not understand with clarity your actual stance of contention. As other’s clearly understood of this particular hub we are debating ineffectually, it was a lament, a foment, a screaming ode to those who tear down the lives of our troops. You can hate what they were called to do, but you cannot deny there sacrifices all the same. I really do not stand for listening to conciliators to those who perpetrated WWI and WWII.

Yes, I threw a punch at Canada for always staring down their nose at us. If our borders were flipped, I would love to see your country deal with Mexican neighbors.

Anyway, I liked your hub, and wish to speak about solutions that may or may not exist do to periphery circumstances.

You are not going to be satisfied by anything I have to say defending my tirade on this subject.


Jane Taxpayer 6 years ago from Your innermost conscience

Actually, just for the record, I have had to deal with illegal mexican immigrants here in Canada. Secondly, illegal aliens pay into your social security net, and recieve none of the benifits, so in actuality, they help lower your tax dollars. But what does that have to do with Nationalism or patriotism?

If nationalism could be used only for good, than that is one thing. I recognize WWI did result in Canada obtaining it's own seat at the league of nations. But warfare is rarely good. Again, Ben Franklin also states "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace."

There is more to nationalism than just a blind love of one's country. After all, the term "Nazi" actually is short for "Nationalist Socialist Party." It is nationalism that allows hezbollah and Iran - a democratic country - to call for the elimination of Israel. It is Nationalism that has allowed for 1930's Germany - in which it was through democratic processes that Adolf Hitler rose to power - to execute 6 million jews. And even Britain is not immune. Ghandi rose to fight against British nationalism. And he actually did so without going to war.

As far as the troops sacrifices, I will say one thing: I may not agree with what they are dying for, but I at least have a certain respect for them, as whatever it is they believe they are dying for, I respect their willing to die for it.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Jane,

Illegal aliens who work for money under the table pay zero $ocial $ecurity tax. Secondly, they bankrupt our hospital system by showing up in emergencies rooms for non-life threatening illnesses, which the hospitals by law cannot turn away; who pays for that visit? Anybody? Bueller…Bueller?

The reason I brought up our Mexican neighbors is because Canada thumbs its nose at our wanting a real fence like Israel.

Yes, you are correct; Hitler did link his national pride with promoting a nationalist attitude for all of Germany to embrace. If this is where you put me in his box because I want my country to stop whining about how hard life is, and stop trying to take what doesn’t belong to them (yes an American Imperialist swine said to stop taking) then shoot me now, for there is no need continuing this conversation.

I do not want my daughter to fear going to a coffee shop 15 years from now because some Islamo-nazi wants to blow up Christians, like they do in the Middle East.

I do not want my daughter to be stuck living in some 12x15 ft cage because Cap & Trade outlawed all none green energy sources.

I do not want my daughter to be forced to embrace whatever the Leftist mantra our school systems push.

I want my country to express free will for “ALL” to practice what they want in the privacy of their “Private Property.”

I am for businesses choosing to serve only Atheist if they want to.

I can’t stand being told I have to give up my SUV because our President said so.

I will give freely of my paycheck to those whom I feel compelled to help; I cannot do that if the government is taking the first 50% of my hard work. I am left will just enough for my family to survive. I work harder, try to earn degrees for greater pay, lo and behold, the government comes back for more of my effort. I know the Left loves owning the power to do this; it is the only thing in life they live for. They play God to the voicing in their head that worship giving away the hard work of others to earn the votes of the lazy.


Jane Taxpayer 6 years ago from Your innermost conscience

I'm sorry, but I wasn't trying to put you in a box. I understand that there are some benifits to nationalism, but I was also trying to point out that it can also be abused. Not by anyone individual that I could point out, but there is a potential for abuse.

And by the way, I'm actually nonpartisan. I vote and all that, but I don't think the left is really any better than the right.

I apologize for the way I have been handling this discussion, so I shall return to the point in my original posts: Whether you are correct or not, your arguments are not presented in a manner that would persuade anyone to your viewpoint. You may very well be correct in condemning antinationalism, but until you present your arguments in a clear and critical manner, you are pretty much preaching to the choir.

I hope this isn't to harsh, I'm just trying to challenge you to be a better philosopher. And that's also part of the reason why I debate you. We've been having a very pleasant and more repectful conversation on other hubs and it might surprise you that I have a certain respect towards you, even though we differ on opinion. I just think that there is a way to express your ideas in a more persuasive manner.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hi Jane,

I do really appreciate your clarification here. I am glad we are continuing this conversation despite a rocky start. Thank you for the very nice compliment as well.

I agree with you about this hub we are debating over, I never meant it to be anything but a tirade getting some steam out of my skull and anger off my shoulders. I was holding a restrained conversation with another fellow; instead of losing my temper with him, I had to “preach to the choir” about disrespecting soldiers and citizens who sacrificed for America. As a Christian, I find tremendous amounts of wrong doing in our country by all types of humans. We have so much to correct and in such short amount of time. I do not take some subjects well, that is what led me to this “polemic” as James very astutely stated.

This is the reason for our rocky start, my style and how I emoted in this is personal reproach and not up for a change of heart. Right, wrong or indifferent, this hub is how I feel and is necessary for me to get closure on another subject. I like to think of it as my reset button if you will.

I knew I would upset a great swath of individuals, but who isn’t offended in this “PC” world. I am game for working on mechanics, that is why I really wish you would have read my “America Crossing the Road” so you would have a different understanding of what my core concerns are, and how I articulate them.

Please challenge me at will, I like the growth.

Thank you Jane.

God Bless.


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tlpoague 6 years ago from USA

I once heard a person phrase it as “Crying babies get fed.” I work as an in-home caregiver and noticed how our veterans are treated. I think that it is a terrible crime for the men and women that served our country in the early ’80’s to not be considered veteran with war benefits because they didn’t serve their country during a time of war. But if you look back at the history of what was going on, what would you consider the bombing of Beirut? Why is it that those that were injured during that time don’t get the same benefits? They came home with post traumatic stress and injuries serving their country. I would hate to sound like a crying baby myself, but, I think that the sins of the flesh are far outweighing the focus that use to be on God. We as Christians need to take a stand and pray. Many will whine and cry, but in the end it all comes down to one question…What will you have to say on the day of Judgment?

Interesting and thoughtful hub. Thanks for sharing.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

TL – I really appreciate the insight you presented here and valuable contribution. It is indeed hard to be both and Christian and patriotic for this Country. My duty is to God, but I do not forget that it was he that gave this country a chance to be different and act different. We are full of sin, human and society, there is much wrong America has done, but in terms of freedom and religious practice, there is no more free country on the planet. I will wave the Stars and Stripes until she no longer supports Christians. This is but one man talking.


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onegoodwoman 6 years ago from A small southern town

.......and YOU once called ME wise.........

Let's dance with history.........I adore that!


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hi GW…okay I am blushing…thank you for the great compliment. Like a mushroom, I can be prepared and cooked many ways…I let this one breath awhile before I roasted it.

God Bless


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide

Pretty sure I am the ungrateful antinationalist whiner lol


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

And a great compliment to you for your sense of humor about this subject. Thanks for stopping by Mythbuster.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide

Well... when you're a whiner.... lol ya gotta expect some flakkkkkk, eh?

A good day to you, Mr. Manning.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide

Well... when you're a whiner.... lol ya gotta expect some flakkkkkk, eh?

A good day to you, Mr. Manning.


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Unchained Grace 6 years ago from Baltimore, MD

Since there seems to be some much debate running around on this Hub, I'll just issue a simple thank you and be on my way.


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Jason R. Manning 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Hello Unchained, this is how I get when pushed a little too hard. I am just a man with ideas and thoughts my own, I do my best to be a citizen of America, but in my sin, my best Christ like impression is in total disrepair. My body has a hard time letting go of this country, I am so grateful, but I must direct that gratitude where it belongs with our Lord. I thank you for stopping by and saying hi. God Bless.

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