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Hillary and the Rights of the U N B O R N

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

    From Debate III:
    WALLACE to Mrs. Clinton: You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth abortions. Why?

    CLINTON: Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case.

    The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. I have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. So you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account.

    WALLACE: Mr. Trump, your reaction? And particularly on this issue of late-term, partial-birth abortions.

    TRUMP: Well, I think it's terrible. If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.

    Now, you can say that that's OK and Hillary can say that that's OK. But it's not OK with me, because based on what she's saying, and based on where she's going, and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. And that's not acceptable.

    CLINTON: Well, that is not what happens in these cases. And using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I have met with, women I have known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. And I do not believe the government should be making it.

    You know, I've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. I've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in China, or forced women to bear children, like they used to do in Romania. And I can tell you: The government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice. And I will stand up for that right.

    WALLACE: All right. But just briefly, I want to move on to another segment...

    TRUMP: And, honestly, nobody has business doing what I just said, doing that, as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. Nobody has that.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

    Why should any baby be killed in late term? To save the mother's life?

    Babies can survive outside the womb at least six weeks before full term!

    What is the reasoning behind Hillary's position?  She voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth abortions. yikes!!!

    1. colorfulone profile image89
      colorfuloneposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      <TOS violating image snipped>

      Inhuman women's rights?  ... People need a brain transplant? 
      Yep, collect that blood to sell it and baby body parts. PPH!
      "It depends on what's on the menu?"
      "Clinton Blood Scandal"
      *  <link snipped>
      Such evil!
      "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" in the United States Declaration of Independence.

      1. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Why do you say that as though you value the fetus' life more than the mother's?  What if that mother already has children that rely on her and love her and need her?  Would you require children to sacrifice their mother for an unborn child?

        There's a small chance that babies can, under the correct circumstances, survive outside of the womb for 16 weeks before the the due date (24 weeks is consider 'viability') but that doesn't mean that they will.  You're operating under the assumption that you know every situation and how it would play out and you just don't.  Doctors and women who know their own unique circumstances should be making those decisions.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      So, we are about to elect a President who is fine with late term abortions for the sake of

                                           SELLING BABY PARTS?



                                                  R E A L L Y ? ? ?

    3. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago
      1. Castlepaloma profile image21
        Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        I thought 3 month was the due date to be safe for an abortion. This 9 month, sounds dangerous.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          I guess you don't see the whole picture.
          I hope you can see that Hillary must not win.

          Colorfulone posted:
          http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1384 … od-scandal

        2. IslandBites profile image85
          IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          Is the procedure really performed up until the last days of pregnancy?

          A: “That is not happening in the United States,” Dr. Aaron B. Caughey, chairman of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health and Science University, told The New York Times following Trump's comments this week.

          “There are no nine-month abortions,” Gunter said. There are situations in which labor is induced because of problems in the last month of pregnancy, but “at 38 or 39 weeks it’s always an induction and is simply called a delivery," she said.

          1. Aime F profile image83
            Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            Thank you.  Trump is just using trigger words repeatedly trying to rile up the people who can't be bothered to fact check and clearly it's working.  Hillary was bang on when she said it's terribly unfortunate.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image21
              Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

              Even though I do not support federal Government on either side. I do give Trump some credit for bringing up parts of a broken and rigged system. Just not the rising of the sun each day.

              Looking a Trump unattached he calls for walls, close down trades, abortion, gays, other races even Snowden all to be punished. Wail mainly these are citizens who are a huge part of America, who will never go away. How do fact check so many lies. This man baby, pussy grabber, con artist and mainly loyal to Putin ,  fuels the fire for hatred passion.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
                Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                uh you are from Canada ...   just to let everyone know.
                The majority here do not want more years of this deplorable slide DOWN into socialism. They know it will bring about despotism and destroy the spirt of this land. Canada is okay with it GOOD FOR YOU GUYS. Its not okay with US
                You do not understand the spirit of this land.
                Gee, we like LIBERTY and individual INDEPENDENCE as laid out in the Federalist Papers which explain ONE HUNDRED PERCENT the foundation of our CONSTITUTION which explains appropriate boundaries.

                Protecting the rights of the about to be born is one of the appropriate boundaries which must be followed …

                For the sake of LIFE, LIBERTY and the Pursuit of HAPPINESS. The unborn do have rights in that they are human and already citizens.


                And some people here really need to step out of DA NILE.

                1. Aime F profile image83
                  Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                  You support liberty and independence unless we're talking about pregnant women.  Apparently women lose those rights the minute they have sex and there's a chance they become pregnant.  Is that what you're suggesting?

                  I'm also not sure if you've ever been to Canada or know anyone that lives here but I'm laughing that you're equating the Canadian government/way of life to despotism.  I am sorry you are so fearful of the unknown.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Being Canadian is actually off topic.

                    Pregnant women can't just do what ever the hell they want.
                    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
                    You do know that women read and sing to their babies in the womb, right?
                    So fetuses are very aware and have consciousness.
                    Would YOU like to be cut up, (yes, you would feel it, especially at late term when the sensory nerves  have developed) sucked out and your soul, now separated from its body, sent back to the astral plane?

                    1. Aime F profile image83
                      Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                      I'm Canadian so I can't have an opinion on women's rights in other parts of the world?  For someone who promotes liberty you sure have a lot of rules. 

                      Where did I say that pregnant women can do whatever they want?  I'm arguing that you're being a little hypocritical touting the freedom and independence of America but wanting to take a woman's choice away regardless of the reasons.  You didn't answer my question before - if an abortion is the only way to guarantee that a woman survives do you think she should be required to sacrifice herself for the unborn baby?

                      Yes, I am aware of how women treat babies in the womb.  That makes it all the more heartbreaking for the women who have to make these difficult decisions that you're throwing back in their faces.

    4. ahorseback profile image50
      ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago

      Scary , There are probably more people killed by abortions than ANY other combined causes  !   But mainstream America says  .........Oh ,That's okay !

      I 'm getting so I can't stand my own countrymen.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        +1 Thank You, ahorseback.

        Repeating:
        There are probably more HUMANS killed by abortion than ANY OTHER COMBINED CAUSES!   
        But, mainstream America says,

                   "Oh, that's okay!"

        Hillary is an evil supporter of plasma selling, late term abortions, wars, and is a known a liar and cheater:

                   "Oh, that's okay!"

        No, not really.

    5. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 6 weeks ago

      I find it difficult to believe that there are cases where the baby can survive outside of the womb and the choice is made to kill it, as opposed to delivering it. I'd have to see some evidence that this is the case prior to condemning Clinton on your beliefs.

    6. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      AND WHAT IF THE POSITIONS HAD BEEN IN REVERSE?
      WALLACE to TRUMP: You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth abortions. Why?

      TRUMP: Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case.

      The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. I have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. So you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account.

      WALLACE: Mrs CLINTON, your reaction? And particularly on this issue of late-term, partial-birth abortions.

      HILLARY: Well, I think it's terrible. If you go with what DONALD is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.

      Now, you can say that that's OK and DONALD can say that that's OK. But it's not OK with me, because based on what DONALD is saying, and based on where  DONALD is going, and where DONALD been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. And that's not acceptable.

      TRUMP: Well, that is not what happens in these cases. And using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I have met with, women I have known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. And I do not believe the government should be making it. SO LET WOMEN KILL THEIR BABIES IN THE LAST MONTH BECAUSE SELLING BABT BODY PARTS AND PLASMA IS GOOD BUSINESS.

      You know, I've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. I've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in China, or forced women to bear children, like they used to do in Romania. And I can tell you: The government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice, AND FINANCIAL NEED And I will stand up for that right.

      WALLACE: All right. But just briefly, I want to move on to another segment...

      HILLARY: And, honestly, nobody has business doing what I just said, doing that, as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. Nobody has that.
      THANK YOU HILLARY!

      ~ N O T ! ! !

    7. Aime F profile image83
      Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago

      Then I'd say "wow, Donald Trump is actually speaking some sense for once."  Minus your ridiculous addition, of course.

      My beliefs and opinions when it comes to women's rights are not dependent on who agrees with them.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        You know, some evil woman might just abort a child in the ninth month for frivolous reasons.
        Maybe they do get convinced that its not the right time for them to have a child and instead, need the money from selling baby body parts?

           Maybe the money is THAT good.

                       Who is to protect the rights
                          of the about-to-be born
                            HUMAN BEING?????

        Donald Trump for one.

    8. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      I agree with Donald on this matter and I do not mind the idea of punishing women for murder if a child is killed any time within the last month and a half of pregnancy, rather than facilitating a premature birth, in the event a mother's life is danger.

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        No doctor would abort a child who could live outside of the womb on their own. Do you simply like to get into a self righteous indignation? Could you simply find a real problem to discuss?

    9. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      If this is a non-issue why did they even discuss it?

    10. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
      Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

      I'm sure most people who have no problem with that are people who are certain no situation like that will ever affect them.  Those are the issues that are the easiest to support - ones that will never cost you anything.

    11. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      >Those are the issues that are the easiest to support - ones that will never cost you anything< KC

      It will cost the entire nation BAD KARMA! It will COST A LOT!!

    12. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      And whomever does not believe in God and the natural laws set forth by Him, heaven help you.
      and THANKS FOR ZERO

      Zero: nothing, nothing at all, nil, none, naught/nought; zilch, nix, zip, nada, diddly-squat.

    13. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      And so ends a perfectly valid thread which should have persuaded a lot of people to NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY!
      Thanks or this freedom of speech, HubPages Forums.

    14. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      Freedom without boundaries is abuse of freedom as late term abortion is.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image21
        Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        I know hill and  horse are very heated about this abortion issues like many Christians .

        Let's get our facts and priories straight..

        Hill and horse say abortion probably kills more people than any other combined causes.

        I fact checked the top most 100 common causes of death in the world. Could not find abortion at all. Found war, injuries and suicide in the top 50. What most people neglected is food, drink and exercise most related to the top 10 ways to die and flooding most of top 100 list of ways to die.

        America is one of the worst major country for overweight and obesity. One the worst for sexual diseases, abortion and rates 32 in life exceptancy  If Ameruca cut their war budget in half and spent it on education, health and poverty-stricken people like northern Europe. They would number one in all besides war and Angels. About 25% of the world's war budget on military and prison shall keep America still number one in war and Angels.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          Lets compare deaths by guns to deaths by abortion:

          In 2011, 1.06 million abortions took place in the U.S.,
          ('From 1973 through 2011, nearly 53 million legal abortions occurred in the U.S. (AGI).")
          http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/u … tatistics/

          "All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive,"
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604

          But this is not my issue.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image21
            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            Then sexual education Americans because the American are very immature about sexualities
            You can not suppress sex, the more you squeeze it in your hands to stop it, the more it slips through your hand. Ask 98% of male masturbators and 2% who are lying about it. (Had to kid about the 2%)

            Northern Europe teaches lessons in love with great results.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
              Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

              well, Good!

    15. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      Hillary said, "You should meet with some of the women that I have met with, women I have known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make."
      I didn't bring it up! SHE DID! What is she talking about here?

    16. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      Moderator: "You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth abortions. Why?"

      CLINTON: "Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make.

      I have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy."
      LIKE WHAT ? EXACTLY ??????

      1. IslandBites profile image85
        IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        "I HAD A LATE TERM ABORTION. IT IS NOTHING LIKE DESCRIBED BY TRUMP. PLEASE DON'T BASE YOUR VOTE ON THE FEAR MONGERING HE IS DOING. PLEASE READ MY EXPERIENCE:

        I had to have a late term abortion. It was the worst moment in my life. What made it even worse was the State of Utah had made it illegal.

        I had one dead twin. The other had severe Spina Bifida. It was so bad that his brain had developed outside his head, and his spine was open clear to the lumbar level. There was ZERO hope, and no medical miracle that could save him. Our dreams were shattered. These twins were from IVF. I was forty, and there would be no more pregnancies.

        I lay on the hospital floor, bawling hysterically, for twelve hours, waiting for an ethics committee of the health care corporation to decide my case justified what had to be done. My health was in danger due to the dead fetus. My husband and I consulted our LDS Bishop, who assured me I needed to do what I had to do, that it was even within LDS guidelines to do so. He reminded me I had six kids (a blended family) at home who needed their mother to live.

        The abortion was terrible. It was done very gently, by Caesarean section, leaving the babies in their amniotic sacs. The living baby passed very quickly.

        It was horrific. I think it even affected my dear physician, as he had never had to end a pregnancy before. I developed PTSD for which I had to be treated for years, mostly because of the fact I had to have it at all.
        No woman should have to have the state have a say in the most painful decision she will ever make. Nobody is tearing babies apart in late term. They are humanely done, only in situations where there is a non-viable or severely defective fetus and/or the mother's health is at risk.

        Since I posted this, many of said "That wasn't an abortion." Yes, it was. In simple terms and in this case, "Abortion" means to remove a fetus from the uterus." "Abortion" is not a specific procedural method. Even a miscarriage is called a "Spontaneous Abortion."

        Others have said, "Your situation wasn't typical." Yes, it was very typical. Women don't have abortions in late term for convenience. There are outliers, to be sure. But my case, one of medical necessity, is typical.
        And still others have pasted drawings of Partial Birth Abortions. Those have been banned in this country for over a decade.

        Please support candidates who support free will and the autonomy of our individual bodies, and not those who use sensationalized terms to get votes. And for those who post nasty, mean comments, I am a real person with real feelings. Just scroll on by."

        1. Castlepaloma profile image21
          Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          I'm not a woman , so would not know from that experience what to do. Yet  sense that was the right choice.

          It would seem with all those kinds of abortions. It should be on the list of 100 most common deaths. After a few death lists none showed up, except the 11th most common way to die is under weighted babies. Will not get into what animals do to their new born. It seem though, nature is more cruel than this kind of human  woman choice.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
            Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            In Hawaii, where Brother and Sister sometimes became King and Queen, etc., the deformed babies were drowned in the ocean.

    17. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      My issue is with Hillary. Why does she support late term abortion?
      And how can liberals find this position acceptable?

      Who can answer this question:

      Hillary said, "I have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy."
      ~~~~> LIKE WHAT ? EXACTLY ??????

      I need to be enlightened, obviously.

      1. IslandBites profile image85
        IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        "I was kind of a late start mom when I got pregnant 10 years ago. My husband and I didn’t have any trouble getting pregnant, and all of our early screenings came back fine. Everything was kind of ‘happy happy, joy joy.’ There was no reason to worry. I had good prenatal care. I did all of the things you’re supposed to do.

        Because I was over 35, I was eligible for a level-2 ultrasound, which is basically a much more detailed ultrasound at the 20-week mark. I went into it thinking everything was going to be fine and we were going to hear if we were having a boy or a girl. But then the sonographer got quiet part way through. I distinctly remember getting this weird feeling in my belly at that point. When she told us the doctor would be in to see us soon and left, I told my husband that something was wrong. He was kind of like, ‘What are you talking about? Everything’s fine.’ But I knew. That woman was not OK when she left the room.

        The doctor came in and said, ‘I don’t really know how to tell you this, but we’ve detected a pretty devastating abnormality.’ It’s called Alobar Holoprosencephaly. Basically what it means is that the brain did not divide into two hemispheres. It’s a spectrum disorder, and this was the worst form. Everything just kind of fuses together in the middle. The child would have had one cyclopic eye and a proboscis, no nose. There was no chance of survival. They were stunned that my pregnancy had even made it that far. Normally, people miscarry. They knew that if I carried to term, the baby would not survive, but they weren’t sure what would happen with me. There was a chance I could have a late-term miscarriage, in which case my life would have been in danger, too.

        They gave us our options, but I knew right away that I wanted to have a D&E [a surgical abortion]. I knew from the minute my husband and I got the news that I was not going to bring a child into the world that was going to die in my arms. If I had chosen to induce labor, I would have had to have been on the labor and delivery floor, and I didn’t want to be that woman with the little red tag on the door. I didn’t feel like I’d be able to recover from that. They referred me to a doctor [who performs late abortions] and who I call my angel of mercy.

        There was a nine-day gap between the diagnosis and when the first part of the D&E started. That was nine days of feeling movement, and of showing, and having people ask about my pregnancy. Then it was a three-day procedure. First, they give you something to dilate your cervix, and then they send you home. It was Halloween, and I had to sit there while I was cramping and spotting and listen to trick-or-treaters. I pretty much hate Halloween.

        I went back two days later, and honestly, it was pretty horrible. If the physician hadn’t been so wonderful, I don’t think I would have had the strength to get through it. He held my hand and told me it was going to be cold in the OR, and noisy and bright, and then I would drift off to sleep. When I woke up, I was not pregnant anymore. The awful thing, though, is that you’ve still got to deal with your milk coming in, and your womb shrinking and cramping and bleeding ― and you don’t have a newborn in your arms. At first, I didn’t want to know the baby’s gender, but then five years ago I finally asked if it was a boy or girl. It was a boy.

        People in the far right like to try and paint you as a heartless baby killer, but I don’t think anyone knows what it feels like to have to let go like that. I’ve always been pro-choice, but it never occurred to me that I’d ever need to have an abortion, and certainly not at age 35 with a husband and a child who was very much wanted. I’m not any kind of genius mom here, but I do know that mothers will do anything they can to take away their child’s pain. And I’m just a mom who didn’t want to put my kid through pain. I have sadness, but I have no regrets."

    18. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      Possible reasons from on line source:

      1. Abortions procured in the third-trimester generally involve situations where the mother's life or health is in jeopardy."

      Not valid: The baby could be saved!

      2. "The fetus will die outside of the womb anyway."

      Not valid:  Unless they mean, "is ALREADY dead."

      3. The fetus is found to have a severe genetic abnormality that wasn't previously apparent."
      What is the moral implication of this, for goodness sake?????
      Many downs syndrome children bring great happiness to families. I have seen it.
      I saw a child with a foot on backwards and a knee where the hip was. He was swimming in a pool at a motel I was staying in. You could tell his family loved him. I never saw such a happy family.
      And how about the joy revealed at the Special Olympics?

      My gosh!!!

    19. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      "As the average age at marriage rises in the U.S., so does the average age of new mothers. If you're an older mom, you're not alone. About 11 percent of babies born in the U.S. each year have moms over the age of 35. Recent studies, however, have shown that women who postpone childbearing do face some special risks, including: infertility and miscarriage, premature delivery and stillbirth, gestational diabetes, bleeding complications, hypertensive disorders of pregnancy, C-section, chromosomal abnormalities in babies, growth retardation in babies, and delivering multiples."

        Hey look! I can post without citations, links and authors too!

      1. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        I gave you a link.  Did you read that one?

    20. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      '''These twins were from IVF. I was forty, and there would be no more pregnancies.

      ... I had six kids (a blended family) at home who needed their mother to live.'"


      PS Note to self:  Be happy with the six kids I have and don't go to extreme measures (IFV) to have more when I am way past child bearing years. Yes, a forty year old can have children but you know it is a RISK! I guess for them we have to legalize back up procedures.

      I will still vote for Trump because his heart is in the right place, in my single opinion.

      The Way I See It

      1. IslandBites profile image85
        IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Luckily, your way doesn't determine the life and decisions of every woman.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          yeah," luckily."

    21. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

      In the link, the woman could have had a typical Caesarian and held the baby until he died. instead they injected a drug through her stomache into the baby and stopped his heart. He came out in pieces. How utterly gruesome.

      Perhaps only a few moments in the loving arms of his mother until he naturally passed away was all he needed.
      But. who am I to say.
      These are extreme cases, indeed.
      Life is strange. Note to self:
      Never get pregnant in this or any other lifetime ever again.
      NO SEX EVER!
      sad

      1. IslandBites profile image85
        IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        You answered your own question.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          I KNOW !!! LAY OFF WOULD YA???
          I am having a hard time here, OH Wizard!
          yikes GOSH!!!

      2. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        You're oversimplifying.  Birth is often said to be traumatic for even the healthiest of babies - you're suggesting this baby go through that trauma AND the pain of his severe abnormalities just so that he could die "naturally"? 

        The womb is the most comforting place for a fetus.  The world is scary for a newborn, again, even under the best circumstances.  I would rather my terminal baby die whilst comfortable in my womb than suffer and die outside of it needlessly.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          The will to live is strong. Consider what the baby wanted. Love.
          but who knows ... as I already said.
          GOOD BYE.

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      Sansophposted 5 weeks ago

      http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13247993.jpg

      Dedicated to all Trump supporters.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image21
        Castlepalomaposted 5 weeks ago in reply to this

        That is somewhat, what I have been saying all along. In Muslim countries 0ver a million children's murdered by the west and 10s of millions have been homeless or lost from families and very few people that care in the West. Wars revenge is 10 fold.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 weeks ago in reply to this

          And whose fault is it?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image21
            Castlepalomaposted 5 weeks ago in reply to this

            It has nothing to do with these Muslim terrorist ghost America created with false flags like (9/11)so they can go chasing them around the world with.

            It has almost all to do with America being a Corperation, not a country. Under Marshal law and the war emergency act since Lincoln in 1871. To keep their war machine and war economy going, they must have a war every two years over land, drugs, or a made up false flag threats and so on.

            The America Constitution has Even ripped apart by a illegitimate Corp America. A two part system of Government and Corp US started back in 1871. Since Lincon was assassinated US Corp used the entitlement of Marshal Law and the war emergency act to carry on their protection of themselves, not the people.

            More recent US military has totally brainwash the Americans that safety is more important than freedom. Where as you loose  both your freedom and security by means of having the two largely employed Corperations in the world. The US military no.1 and US Justice system no. 2.

            Thomas Jefferson quote : A country cannot be both arrogant and free.
            Who more than Americans are too proud and look down on others. Like a supermodel because they look good. So superior to others and look at themselves more than they look at men.

     
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