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Earning Money Online With Groups Like HubPages

Updated on October 9, 2013

A Dose of Reality

“If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and has tail feathers like a duck, there is a very good chance that it is a duck.”

As I thought about writing this article I was reminded of that saying.

The fact is that online writing sites like HubPages or Squidoo or the host of others are primarily businesses. They are in business to make money. They are not benevolent sites constructed to further your writing career and help you to pay your bills. They are businesses attempting to pay their bills.

I do not write that as an expression of bitterness, but rather to clear up some misconceptions about this writing community of HubPages and others like it.

I have written for HubPages now for over a year, and I think I can safely state that I am an established member of that community. I have written over 400 Hubs and I have enjoyed close to 150,000 views. I have won some awards and I have earned some respect. What I have not done is earn money online and quite frankly that is not the fault of HubPages.

Allow me to explain.

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How It Works

I’m going to simplify this for those of you who are considering writing for HubPages, or one of the other sites, and do not understand how it all works.

HubPages earns money on every single article (Hub) written on their site. They do this by offering advertising space on every Hub. The more popular the article is, the more views it receives, and the more views the advertising receives. HubPages is, in a very real sense, a cash cow, because they literally receive millions of views each year. They are in the Top 50 of viewed sites on the internet.

Let me repeat: HubPages is a business.

Now, if you are a writer, how do you earn online through HubPages? You make money based on the number of views that your article receives, but more importantly your earnings are based on the number of ads that are clicked by readers of your Hubs, and also by the number of products that are sold based on the advertising on your Hubs.

Traffic is driven to your articles based on subject matter and content, but more importantly based on keywords and other SEO techniques that attract the attention of search engines.

In other words, the more proficient you are at using SEO techniques, and the more proficient you are at writing content articles that will attract a large viewing, the better your chances are of making decent money on HubPages.

The opposite is also true, which explains why I do not earn much money on HubPages.

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God Bless the Poets and the Dreamers

Are poets allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Are essayists allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Are short story writers allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Do you get the point yet?

Let me put it this way. I don’t for a second believe that the staff of HubPages sits around in the corporate office devising ways to help poets make money. It is not in their best interests to do so. What is in their best interest is to teach writers through their Learning Center how to write an attractive and well-written article that will attract millions of viewers. Thus we see an abundance of How To articles and recipes and advice articles on the best products to buy if you are a mother with a young child.

What do people search for on the search engines? Well, for the most part it is not poetry and it is not essays on the trouble with government. What people search for are answers to daily problems like a clogged drain or how to boil an egg, and those articles, dealing with those issues, are what make HubPages money.

This is not brain surgery.

The whole point of this is to point out that if you are not making money on HubPages there is a very good reason why you are not. If you want to make money on HubPages then you will learn how to write good content using SEO techniques. Period!

And that is why I say God bless the poets and the dreamers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Poverty on HubPages.

So What Does Hubpages Do for the Poets and Dreamers?

Lest you think this is a no-win situation if you are a poet or essayist, I want you to know there are great benefits in writing on this site.

HubPages gives any writer a forum and an open door to the internet. You have a platform from which you can send your work out into the netherworld for all to see.

HubPages gives any writer a supportive community of writers from which encouragement and help can be drawn.

HubPages provides a helpful staff (thank you Simone) and proven techniques that can help you in being more successful.

HubPages allows you to practice your craft in a huge public setting, and gives you the vehicle from which you just might be discovered by an agent, publisher or prospective employer.

And they give all of that to you for free!

My Personal Opinion of Hubpages

I really think this discussion boils down to what you expect from HubPages. Monetarily I have been a dismal failure on this site. I average a dollar per day and that is after a year and 405 Hubs. By any standard you wish to use in judging monetary success, I have failed. Having said that, there is a very good reason why I have failed. I have not played the HubPages game, so I was destined to fail from the outset. I give very little consideration to keywords and SEO techniques. I write few “evergreen” Hubs. I write essays on life and reflective pieces on happiness and love. In the internet world, I am still scratching at the door waiting for someone to let me in by accident.

If money is the determining factor for success then you might as well throw dirt over me and say some prayers because I am dead. My style of writing will never garner a large income from HubPages.

However, I love HubPages, and the reason I love it is because of the community of writers, many of whom are now dear friends. I receive support daily from people just like me who struggle in relative obscurity but who all have the same passion that I have, the passion of writing.

I have nothing but praise for HubPages. I understand that they are a business and I understand that I do not give them what they want, so there are no hard feelings. Nobody is forcing me to write the way I write, in a style destined for poverty, and to HubPages credit they do not try to change me. They allow me the freedom to perfect my craft and they are supportive and helpful when I ask for assistance.

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Bottom Line

If I want to make more money on HubPages then it is up to me to change. All the pissing and moaning in the world does not change the fact that HubPages is a business, a very successful business, and they will do quite nicely whether I am a member or I am not a member.

Since I choose not to change my style of writing it would seem to me that I have no reason to complain about the lack of online income.

Until that day comes when I need the income and I’m willing to change my style of writing, I will continue to sit on the fringes with all the other poets and essayists and work on my craft and try to improve my writing abilities. I kind of like the group I’m in. We have our own secret handshake and we have decoder rings and we have very little pressure on us because you see, nobody expects us to make it in online writing.

We are so uncool that we are actually cool.

Remember, if you see something with tail feathers, and it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is a damn good chance that it is HubPages!

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      Good and honest writing here. I kind of suspected that our writing has to garner an audience. After all when I go online I am looking for a product, a service or how to do something. Makes sense to write about that ...And recipes if you can come up with the best formula are great. I am a very eclectic writer as many are and tend to jump from different topics. Now if we wrote about insurance, cars, motorcycles and boats..particularly in the selling arena. Ido like making money with writing as it is a validation...I also love the community and challenge. I have days of stepping back and days of going forward. However budgeting your time on this site makes good sense. Thanks bill...Voting up and sharing.

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      Cynthia Calhoun 4 years ago from Western NC

      Yes, well, I love this site, too, and though I haven't been here as much lately, I can say that I will always write for HP - during the ebbs and flows of other stuff. I love creating things and am listening right now to that side of me and I love writing - just not always the "business side" of writing. :) If you make it about the money, you're never really going to be happy with what you're doing.

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      Rebecca E. 4 years ago from Canada

      I love this site, and I love writing here, and since I have learned that it can help me think more about improving I can't complain. Well put.

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      Nathan Bernardo 4 years ago from California, United States of America

      Straight to the point, no-nonsense; that is always a good approach: See it clearly for what it is and then act on whatever it is you want to do with it. I can live with that. Good piece, enjoyed it much. Either way, Hubpages is a good platform on which to write, I agree. At the very least, it's a training ground for other ventures, or it's a versatile tool to do various things (commercial or artistic), or it's just a good way for writing to get, at least, some exposure.

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      Catherine Taylor 4 years ago from Canada

      bb, I so enjoyed this hub for your brutal honesty. I for one hope you just keep doing what you're doing. You remind us all that writing and life are about so much more then the bottom line. Rest assured that your words have evoked emotion and action and have changed lives. Carry on billybuc, carry on.

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      Kim Diaz 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      "Quack, quack"....very good information, Bill. You are so right. The "forum" that Hubpages offers has been great for me, as I am doing other things because of it. It gave me the focus I needed to get a project completed, that I had on a back shelf for a few years. My project is now complete due to the motivation I accrued from this HubPage opportunity and my on-line buddies, such as yourself. Thank you, and Hubpages for this writers' "family". I appreciate your talent, your words of encouragement, your humor, and your essence as a writer. Much success to you along the way!

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      Janine Huldie 4 years ago from New York, New York

      So very true Bill and I have written my fair share of how to's and even parenting articles on here. I haven't to be honest published in weeks and still making anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar a day. I am not very good at SEO and haven't gone out of my way to try, but I guess I have written a bit in the way of articles people would want to read without truly meaning to, because most of what I wrote on here was just what I knew and wanted to write. That said I still love the Hubpages community and that is why even though I don't publish as much as I used to on here, I still come back for more daily, because again honestly I am not making a ton on here either. Have of course voted this one up and shared as always, too!! :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I think my biggest problem with SEO writing is that I do it half of every day for other businesses. I just don't have the desire to do it for myself as well. I still try, but my heart just isn't in it. :) Thanks my friend, and good luck to you in your efforts.

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      Carol 4 years ago from Greenwood, B.C., Canada

      Awesome Bill. I understand much more now. I'm afraid I'm not very good at reading directions. I'm better if someone shows me - although I found the this video a little confusing. Maybe it's too early in the morning lol. Voted up and shared.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, selfishly, I hope that you write more. Your hubs about grammar are classics and besides, I just like to see my lil' Sis get more recognition for her talent. :)

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      Natasha 4 years ago from Hawaii

      It's true - no one has ever expected poets or essayists to make any money and the Internet can't change that! I realize I could 'make more' if I wrote things trying to sell to people, but I don't want to because I don't enjoy it. I am here because it's fun and there's a fantastic community of folks I've come to love.

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      Linda Crist 4 years ago from Central Virginia

      Quack, quack. What a great hub pal. Like you, I'm not going to change my style and will continue writing articles that express my love of life, concern for society, and passion for things of nature. I'll accept poverty before becoming a wealthy robot writing SEO articles. I'm in good company here on HP and I like it that way. Hugs!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rebecca, I'm always a little surprised when people complain about HP. It's not like they lied to us; they told us how to make money and that's what we need to do if money is important. Me, I just love to write, and I love to meet new people and make friends.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nate, you hold onto that attitude and you will do well. I don't see negatives in HP; they are what they are, and the benefits far outnumber whatever negatives someone wants to see.

      Thank you Sir!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thundermama, you are so nice....always so positive and affirming. Thank you! I still kick around SEO hubs on occasion, but I really just love to write from the heart. That's where my passion is and always will be. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kim, you are very kind and I really do appreciate your words. Keep working at your craft; you have talent and things that need to be said, and I look forward to watching you grow in the months and years to come.

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Excellent article, Bill. I'm glad you clarified this for those who expect to pay the mortgage via HP. I for one, use HP as my creative outlet. Period. I have never once shot for SEO placement with my hubs. HP allows me to leave that realm every time I post. That's what HP is to me. That and the place where I have made more friends than I have in my entire lifetime.

      That is worth its weight in gold!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, it is a bit addictive, but more than that, the people are addictive. You have all become my friends and I think that is remarkable. I love it here, money or no money, and I plan on being here for a long, long time. Thank you my friend; you are one of the reasons why I come back daily.

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Well Billy duck, it don't get no more honest than this! Perfect hub as far as I'm concerned. You hit so many nails on the head you could be building a pallet table!

      Its funny, I've always dreamed of writing but success and fame were never in the dream....good thing because here I am just loving hubpages and all the wonderful people on it. Like CC, I think I will always be here, no matter what...this is a great piece for all in hubville Bill. Yes, I jumped on the bandwagon and joined the Apprentice Program but more for the insights I might get into my writing than thinking I'll become a millionaire here....after all, I think I'm a duck too.

      You've outdone yourself yet again.

      Voted up, useful, awesome, interesting and shared so some newbies might know what they are up against.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Onegreen, truthfully, I still haven't read the stuff on the Learning Center. I just learn by observing and as I go....besides, I'm really just here to write. :) Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Natasha, poets and essayists have struggled for centuries. Why should HP be any different? LOL I'm glad you are here and I'm always happy hearing from you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I still do SEO type hubs, but they are always about things that interest me, like tours of Washington....but my heart and soul will always be with the poets and essayists who just writer for the love of writing....and you are at the top of that list my friend.

      hugs on this Monday

      bill

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wonderful article my friend. Very solid breakdown.

      (here is a fun one -- I was doing some financial shenanigans and the lender wanted more proof of my business - They must have thought I was a mega - corp, when they saw all my internet activity - mostly generated by HP. -- A presence is invaluable)

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      Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

      Hi Bill!

      Great hub here of truths no doubt! I do not write for money (at the moment), as one may have figured out, who follow me, my message to the world is basically . . . love others and telling of my personal experiences in this life of how God really got me through them and to glorify Him. It would be unusal for me to write a "How to do" something hub, as that is not my passion. I am thankful that HP allows writers to write about whatever they so choose to write about for free! I know nothing about SEO, so thanks for the video, which I will use when I do decide to write for money maybe on other sites that pay for such subjects as I write. I am working on a novel and want to write a chidlren's book series and hope to be a published author one day, and so HP allows me to figure out whether anyone cares to read what I do write, and so far, it has been a pleasant experience.

      Voted up ++++ and sharing (will come back to share)

      Hugs and blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      Yup, creative writing doesn't do well SEO wise. Pretty comfortable sitting on the fringe!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, wouldn't it be funny if you and I were still writing on HP in hopes of making big money? Talk about self-delusion. LOL Write because you love it and if the money comes then hooray. Thanks my dear.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, we did build a pallet table this weekend. LOL You are so kind to me; thank you for always being so supportive. I'll try to never let you down with my writing. Thank you and have a wonderful week.

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      Liz Davis 4 years ago from Hudson, FL

      Theirs is the Kingdom of Poverty on Hubpages. That's funny!

      I'm not "making a living" online yet, but I definitely do better on my own websites than I do on here. HP doesn't even get me much traffic to my own sites.

      For most people--there are exceptions, of course--I think that in order to make money online, you need to do a lot of studying and researching. You need to have your own blog and establish a strong presence online. There's a lot of "social work" involved. It's not as easy as signing up and putting some articles on a content site, so we can't get angry when hubs don't pay the mortgage.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michelle, it's a good fringe with good people and I love it on the outside looking in. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, that is a great point and thank you for it. A presence is invaluable. I got a couple writing gigs because of my HP samples.

      Thank you Eric!

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Hey Bill! As one currently experiencing the "learning curve" I can honestly say, everything you have said here is true! While I understand the point of SEO, etc. I will continue to use my own voice! That being said, we have contemplated a separate site completely dedicated to earning money by giving them what they want! Thanks for this great hub! Up+++

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liz, we can't get angry and yet I've been listening to others lately doing exactly that. There are no tricks to this trade. Write good content and learn the business if you want to make money. Otherwise, shut up and enjoy the writing process. Sheez! Some people need me to explain everything! LOL Thanks Liz!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, exactly, and thank you for your comment. HP gives me a wonderful forum from which to grow. There are no secrets and I was never lied to....HP is what it is and it is successful. They don't need my whining to make them a more successful company.

      Thank you as always my friend, and blessings and love coming your way.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Randi, and I think that is a viable and intelligent solution that will work. Good for you for understanding and taking steps that make sense....beats the heck out of complaining. :)

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      Lesleysherwood 4 years ago

      I love this hub and its so nice to hear someone speak so candidly. You're right, its the search engines we need to please if we want to make money. Writers on hubpages might get frustrated when they have so many encouraging comments left on their hubs and yet still not earning a decent wage, but its not the other hubbers that will earn us dosh, after all, we can't click on the ads. Thank you for your honesty Bill and please don't change the way you write to panda to google, we love you as you are :)

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      Stephanie Hicks 4 years ago from Bend, Oregon

      Bill - excellent point that making money is not the only purpose for writing/publishing on HubPages or any other similar platform. Making friends, continuing to hone your craft, expressing your opinions and beliefs, and the potential of another opportunity coming your way for simply being "out there" are all good reasons to stay. I love your writing - it rings true and is honest and expressive in a way that SEO hubs can never hope to be. :) Cheers, Steph

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      Deborah Neyens 4 years ago from Iowa

      Another great article, Bill. I love this site and don't ever expect to make money here. Lots of friends, yes, money, no. But it is nice getting a $50 payout every few months. : )

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Honestly, Deb, I would be ecstatic if I made $100 per month from HP. Since I don't, I'm still ecstatic because I have found a community of writers who are supportive, and a bonus....I found friends.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Steph. Considering the success you have had on HP that means a great deal to me. I'm afraid I'll never make money on HP but I sure have made a lot of friends along the way.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lesley, you made a great point. Most of us get wonderful comments, like this one, but that has nothing to do with earnings and it's important to understand that. I will never make a lot of money on HP, but thanks for people like you, I have made so much more. by the way, I have never seen the word 'dosh' before. I assume that means money. :)

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      Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Some things are worth more than money to me. My experience on HP is one of them. Meeting great not-for-profit (intentionally or not!) writers is another one.

      I think I've contributed to some of the nay-sayers on this site because I got my nose out of joint when HP marketed their apprenticeship program as being for "talented writers." There are many talented writers on this site who are not going to increase HP's bottom line, which HP has every right to want increased. Where would all of us writers-for-the-fun-of-it be if they went out of business? Good luck to online writers of every sort and to HubPages. Long may we all enjoy this community.

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      Mike Pugh 4 years ago from New York, New York

      Bravo my dear friend Bill, I been through all of this as well bro, and feel the pain of not wanting to change my style of writing. I write about what I love in life, and all of my pursuits of happiness. I am a creative writers, a poet, a community team builder, a web developer and leading a free life of freelance writing for myself, and no one else. So yes Bill I do know such a freedom of self expression as you pointed out here. One thing however is, I do believe that any form of stored potential, and that of high quality is truly priceless today, so it all boils down to how we all decide to direct our online stored up potentials. How we choose and elect to organize our materials we gather, our online resources per say as well.

      Hence fourth its not hubpages that stops us from earning online I must agree with you bro whole hardheartedly, its our take and approach to the monetary aspects of it all for sure.

      Hubpages is a writing tool for me, and that's how I see it, just like any other editing program, the fortunate aspect of writing here though is that they grant us a way to earn as well, which is truly nice of them, but as your hub points out here, there is no guarantee.

      This is your buddy Mike Pugh, as I'm sure by now you know of my newest identity and profile here on hubpages. I built this profile for a community I made since poets have a tough time getting recognized on the web today, this is the type of improvisation we all must do today to survive online (Teaming up is yet another way through the rabbit hole here), to make the difference for sure, and I hope many others follow in such a valiant effort to help each other out.

      Awesome hub Bill, you out did yourself once again. Bravo, thumbs up and out!

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Excellent way to view it BB. It is HP's rules and we can play their way or just play and be happy. I never ONCE had the notion I could make any money with my writing....the rewards of being on here, and making the friends I have on here, and learning MORE about writing has been worth a fortune to me.

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      This is one that every new writer on HP should read. After about a year here, I greatly enjoy writing and getting the comments and feedback on Hubs. The interchange of ideas about writing and the different styles make great reading. I also enjoy reading the work of people from all over the world.

      Good hub Bill!

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Thanks for telling it "like it is." I always appreciated cutting through the bull! That's my style. This is important and those who are serious about making money, as their primary goal here, need to know these things.

      As for me, the pennies that rain upon me are A-OK....and I voted with what is currently 65% of the readers, "I LIKE it here!"

      .....Quack, Quack....& the older I get, the more I waddle....UP+++

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      Frank Slovenec 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA

      Very true and to the point! I have been with HubPages for a little over a year also, along with Ezines a web page and a blog. The Keywords are the critical backbone of traffic. thank you

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      Bradrick H. 4 years ago from Texas

      I really enjoyed reading this. Truthful, and straight to the point. I agree with pretty much all you said regarding Hubpages. I never viewed this site as a good source of income. However, it does allow us to practice our writing, and interact with like minds. Great job on this hub. Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kathleen, your comment is right on and I thank you! HP serves a wonderful purpose for all writers and I love every minute I spend on it.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Chris, you hit the nail on the head and I thank you! If I ever become rich it will be in part because of the experience I have had on HP, and it won't be because of the earnings I gained on HP. I learned how to writer here, and the help from other Hubbers has been invaluable.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      xstatic, I agree completely my friend. We all need a support system, and since writing can be such a lonely existence, it is nice to have that feedback and encouragement. Thank you Sir!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, you are just too damn funny! We went for a walk this weekend and I do believe I was doing some waddling myself. :) Thank you dear friend, for your humor and for your support.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      F Slovenec, keywords are indeed the lifeblood of this online business, and the sooner people understand that, the sooner they will make money on HP.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      prospectoby, it seems to me that you have your head on straight regarding HP. Understanding this site is important, and there are greater rewards than mere payouts every two months. Thank you for the visit.

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      KT Banks 4 years ago from Texas

      Well. You've already had so many comments, let me just say that I enjoyed this hub. Voted Up and more! :D

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      SilverGenes 4 years ago

      Is it about the money? It is for HubPages but not for the writers. For me, Hubpages is all about the community of people and nothing else. If I wanted to write articles on plumbing, apply SEO and keywords for the purpose of generating income, I wouldn't be doing it for free for HubPages, Squidoo, or any other content farm; the articles would be directed to my own business. SEO works that way. Having said that, if I want to enjoy the community of people here on HP, then it doesn't kill me to have an article or two up to generate some income for the site and pay my way, so to speak, in return for the social aspects. Or does it?

      On the other hand, writing and photography are two professions hit hard by the Internet. People support families in these professions. Stolen content and expectations of free stuff for money-making corporations have made it difficult. While we are honing our craft by contributing to massive content sites, we need to remember that we are taking the paycheck off someone else's table by providing the service for free and presenting it as professional. It isn't. Without the writers, there are no films, books, magazines, or reliable information sites. If we all do this for free, then what's the point for a professional? Why pay for the education and pay your dues if it doesn't matter? Self-publishing has changed the book world and we all know that buying something on Amazon is no guarantee that it will be readable. Content sites are changing the magazine world. In the end, the writers will have gone on to become mechanics and the rest of us will be left floundering around in a sea of amateurs. Moral dilemma #65 for me.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, it's funny, but I didn't realize this was you until I saw your comment on Facebook. I should have recognized you from the writing. Maybe I'm more tired this morning than I thought. LOL I'll remember in the future. I love that you started a site for poets. I think about earnings and then I think about poets and God bless them all. Talk about writing for the love of it! Poets have no chance on HP, and still day in and day out they practice their craft and share beauty with the world.

      Keep up the good fight my friend and I hope you are well and happy.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      KT, I am a bit overwhelmed by the number of comments this morning. I was not expecting it. Thank you for taking the time to add to those comments.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alex, you stated the moral dilemma perfectly, and I think a great many of us share your dilemma. I wrote this originally because I have seen people complaining of late because they aren't making money on HP....well, there is money to make but you have to play the HP game. It's pretty simple, really, but it is not a game I am good at, and it puts me to sleep rather quickly.

      I may not be right in my approach but it is an approach I am comfortable with, and I keep improving my craft along the way.

      Thank you Alex for an excellent comment.

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      Kathryn 4 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

      Very well put, Bill! Thanks for putting it out there for us.

      Fortunately when I started HubPages, I didn't join for the money. I saw this place advertised on a job site, but I knew that a place like this would be hard to make money in. The reason I joined was because it serves as a place for me to write articles in a setting with many other people, get to know others in one way or another, improve my writing and research skills through practice, and take advantage of the wonderful training tools they provide. Since I didn't have any preconceived notions about money, this is an incredibly satisfying place for me. It is fulfilling in a way that I never realized was possible. I didn't realize there was something missing in my life until I joined. The community is wonderful, and I appreciate how people like you have really welcomed me.

      I also like that you put out the pros and cons. It is helpful to people that are new here to let them know what they're up against, and what they must do to make money here.

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      Susan Britton 4 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      Good job Billy Buc. I like your style.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kathryn, I joined for the same reasons. I wanted to belong to a writing community, and I never had delusions that I would make much money on this site. Good thing because I haven't. LOL

      By the way, your book is in the hands of the United Postal Service. Thank you so much!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzzycue, it's a good thing because this is the only one I have. :) Thank you!

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      Sarah 4 years ago from USA

      Well put! I think for anyone looking to delve into the world of blogging for money, this can be a good place to start. But if your only goal is to make money then eventually people might want to consider their own website. I've been here about two months and have earned about 2 dollars so far. Nothing I'd consider success yet.

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      Gail Meyers 4 years ago from United States

      Bravo and amen, Brotha Billy! No one can articulate a "dose of reality" better than you and thank God you did! My head has been about to explode from all of the complaining to the point that I quit following one forum. Voted up and awesome!

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      Kathryn 4 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

      Yay! Thanks, Bill, I look forward to reading it.

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      Mahaveer Sanglikar 4 years ago from Pune, India

      It is great eyeopener for the writers who are want to become a millionaire by writing Hubs. As always, I have shared this Hub with my followers.

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      James E Cressler 4 years ago from Orlando, Florida

      Good article and well done! It helped me as a newer Hub member understand a little more about it. The one thing I got from your story is don't be too in love with your own words - if you do you'll never make your first $5 bill!

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      Sandra Busby 4 years ago from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, USA

      Thanks, billybuc, for putting it so concisely and gently; and for putting the responsibility squarely where it belongs. Voted up, interesting, and shared.

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      Mary Kelly Godley 4 years ago from Ireland

      Thanks for this hub. I like you suspect I am never going to be a millionaire out of Hub Pages so thankfully that's not my main reason for writing here. As you say it's a great platform and gets you good exposure which I am hoping will build me a higher profile writers platform in time. Also some day it may lead to my ultimate goal i.e. a publishing deal. Voted up and shared.

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      Andro Mathewson 4 years ago from Germany

      I really liked your article, and with my Hubpages and my blog I have begun to make slow, but steady income raise. If you do not mind me asking, and by all means answer only if you want to, how much money have you earned through these 150,000 views? Thx again for the interesting and useful hub. Keep it up and I have shared ii too.

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      [ Danson Wachira ] 4 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      Hi Bill,

      You have said here in black and white, on Hubpages, one can choose to write for various reasons, fulfillment, money, enjoyment and many other reasons. The problem comes when one try to mix all of those because it can't work here on HP. I go to bed happy knowing that i helped that student who is seeking to learn Java, Bill you are happy that someone somewhere was motivated by your essays on life and reflective pieces on happiness. That is the ultimate price on Hubpages. Great hub, voted up and more.

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      Kristin Trapp 4 years ago from Illinois

      Hi Bill. I'm glad to read that you plan on sticking around HubPages, money or not. I truly enjoy reading many of your thought-provoking Hubs; they are the type that can (and probably have) make the difference in someone's life. That's a great accomplishment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sarah, while it is true that two dollars does not signal financial success, you are a success in that you are following your passion and working on your craft. Those things have no financial value but they will pay off in the long run. Thank you for your comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gail, thank you! It makes no sense to complain about HP. The rules and suggestions are clearly stated. We can either follow them or not; the choice is ours. :)

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      Audrey Hunt 4 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      " We are so uncool that we're actually cool." Yeah! Quack, quack. A no-nonsense account of how it is. Love it. You're the man Billy! My hero!

      The day I joined HP (nearly 3 yrs ago) I had no idea where it would take me. It's been a path of self-discovery, therapy, amazing friendships and I'm even making a few bucks. I've learned more about "everything" than I ever did in school. What can I say? I love it here on HP with Billy at my side!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kathryn, I sure hope you like it. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      jainismus, you are too kind and I thank you sincerely.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      jcressler, it is a balancing act for sure. We can't lose our writing voice just for the sake of making money. That is a compromise I am not willing to make. However, if I want to make money then I have to follow the HP suggestions or I am out of luck. Thanks for the visit and I hope this helped you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sandra, there has been far too much bellyaching of late. HP will be successful whether we follow their suggestions or not. If we choose not to do so then we really only have one person to blame when we make fifty cents a day. :) Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      thewritingowl, it will achieve those goals if you keep at it and polish your craft. HP is a wonderful platform that allows you to do that.

      Thank you for the visit and comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mathewson, I am the perfect example of what not to do on HP. I make about a dollar a day on HP, so if you are looking to make money do as I say and not as I do. LOL SEO and keywords are the way to go for money. Establish a niche and work it with gusto. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ktrapp, that is a very kind thing for you to write and I thank you. That's what I set out to do, but it helps to have someone affirm it. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      dwachira, you stated it perfectly. In the final analysis it is us who we have to please. We go to bed satisfied with what we have accomplished and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you my friend; blessings to you and yours.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, you are a classy lady and I'll stand beside you any old day and twice on Sunday! LOL I'm sure I'll see some financial success after three years, but I have received so many gifts from HP already and the future will only bring more of those gifts to me. Thank you dear friend.

      love and blessings,

      bill

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      John Coviello 4 years ago from New Jersey

      Nice summary regarding the reality of writing at HubPages. I just had a brief debate with a writer in the forums about what constitutes success on HP, and he clearly saw it as a monetary thing, and kept his number of hubs low, so he could thoroughly SEO them and get a lot of hits from Google. I fall more into your camp, as I want to write about obscure topics that might not be very popular, not just evergreen, but I do try to do SEO as best I can.

      One suggestion I would make is to expand the poll above. I am somewhat satisfied with HP, but it's not about the money that I am a somewhat satisifed, because I can also blame a lack of effort on my part for that shortcoming. My somewhat satsified opinion comes from the way they make changes without taking into account what the writers want and need.

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      Shampa Sadhya 4 years ago from NEW DELHI, INDIA

      Voted up, useful and interesting!

      Each and every word of this article is the reflection of truth. This is absolutely correct in my case. Though I am far behind you according to the number of hubs and I earn few cents per day so there is no chance of making huge money. Still, HP has become my addiction. I love to spend time at HP. Thanks for sharing this write up. Sharing and pinning!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good for you, Shampa. It makes me happy to read your words. Writing should bring joy to our lives, and HP and writing do that for me. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rock, thank you for that suggestion and I'll follow it. I have had issues with HP that have nothing to do with the money, so I understand what you are saying.

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      Jeannie InABottle 4 years ago from Baltimore, MD

      This is probably the best explanation of HubPages I've ever read. When people ask me, "You write for what?" I should send them to this page. :-) A great hub and voted up!

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      CarNoobz 4 years ago from USA

      Ain't that the way it is? On the Internet, we are all salesmen, whether we like it or not.

      How often do we see a man on the Internet who knows who he is? Rarely! You, sir, know who you are, and I admire and respect you for that. Voted up and everything.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thanks Jeannie. I have always respected you and your words make me feel good today.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      CarNoobz, well thank you Sir! I didn't see that compliment coming, but I greatly appreciate it.

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      Mary Hyatt 4 years ago from Florida

      I agree with everything you have said here, Bill. I get so tired of hearing fellow Hubbers complain about not making money, etc.etc. This is NOT a "get rich quick" platform. It takes time and patience. When I first started I just published my old worn out poems, and when I was out of those, I had to start writing. Yes, the how-tos do pretty good. Some recipes do fairly well for me.

      Voted UP and will share.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, we can pretty much rule out recipes from me. LOL And Crafts! It's easier for me to rule out subjects I know nothing about. :) As for money, it will come or it won't, but either way I'll keep writing. Thank you my friend!

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      Georgianna Lowery 4 years ago from Slaton, Texas USA

      I don't quack.

      With that said, I first joined HubPages to have a sort if online resume. I never really expected to make a lot if money here, and I really haven't in the grand scheme if things. I have, however, been very fortunate.

      If I would change how I write, and stick to a single niche, I could probably be a lot more successful, I just don't want to. I like letting people wonder "What kind if crap us she going to write about next?"

      The real problem with SEO us that the standards are always changing. What works and gets us views today might not tomorrow. I choose to not consciously use it beyond titles and subtitles.

      If you (or I, for that matter) changed our writing style, we would cease to be who we are. I suggest we keep on keeping on. :)

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      Patricia Scott 4 years ago from sunny Florida

      Thanks, Bill. This is crystal clear. I found this out a while back when I wondered if my writing was so much worse than I had been told it was. I had been encouraged all of my life to write and have been told 'you are a gifted writer' many times...which made me feel humbled. So I brought all of my marbles here to HubPages and made so many mistakes in my work that I wanted to die a thousand deaths. I have a few vision problems so editing is challenging and I had not found the spell check at that point. However spell check does not find all errors either as you know.

      As far as SEO goes I will never make money because try as I may I cannot seem to make sense of it. I guess I do not think that way. My nephew is coming who is a computer whiz and hopefully he can explain it to me.

      So I am content to write until I run out of things to write about and then I will collect my marbles and go home.

      I cannot imagine that you are not making money will all of your accolades and all but clearly that is not your main reason for being on HP.

      I like it here. It has been a welcoming community and that is all it takes to reel me in.

      Have a lovely evening

      Sending you many Angels from beautiful Florida...it is like spring today :) ps

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      Michelle Cesare 4 years ago from New York

      You hit it on the nose and in the past recent months it all made sense to me. Not only Hubpages but all Revenue Sharing Websites. We the writers make them money.

      I don't make much here but I like the platform, I enjoy the community and I do earn little money each. Nothing special but Hubs I wrote yesterday earn me a little bit today.

      Thanks so much for including my Youtube video. Very cool of you and it's a compliment when someone decides to use a piece of your work.

      You have lots of followers.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mxaixpress, you made a good video and I was happy to borrow it. :) You are right of course; having someone use a piece of your work is a compliment. As for the followers, I have made friends in this community, which is the greatest gift I have been given here on HP. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Georgie, never in my wildest dreams can I picture you quacking or with tail feathers. LOL I'm just going to keep on keeping on, as you suggested, and we'll see what's ahead around that next curve. Thanks my friend!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well PS, I'm darn glad you decided to join HP, and I'm darn glad I did as well. Life is good for those of us who don't give a hoot about SEO. I try to use keywords on occasion, but if they disrupt the flow of my writing I leave them out. I won't disregard style for keywords, and I won't disregard quality for quantity. We all have our standards, do we not?

      Thank you my friend, for the angels, and your hug and blessings are coming atcha.

      bill

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      Bill De Giulio 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Telling it like it is Bill. I don't earn much here either but I love writing about my travels so I will continue to do just that. Maybe a few years down the road when I have a library of a few hundred hubs it will generate some income but I am really not overly concerned with that at the moment. Great topic and great job.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Billy, my sentiments exactly, many of us started on HP only too happy to see our work in print, the icing on the cake is when others take the time to read what we write and actually leave encouraging comments. But it is also a learning process, I don't know if it is possible to actually earn a living on HP but I would surely like to give it a try.

      We are all here for different reasons, and I applaud everyone for giving it a go, this is a great place for us fledglings to stretch our wings, some may even fly.

      Billy another gem.

      My very best to you.

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      Marcy J. Miller 4 years ago from Arizona

      You've provided a remarkably fair and objective assessment, Bill. For those of us who love to write, HP is a terrific way of expanding our audience. The few pennies along the way are a bonus. For those who see it as a way to "earn lots of money easily without any effort or talent" it's a chimera. I'm trying to balance my "labor of love" hubs with a few "paid laborer" hubs in hopes of keeping the pennies trickling in. Eventually, those pennies may turn to dollars; and if they don't, any time I spend writing is time well-spent.

      I particularly appreciate the actual average earnings and number of hubs ratio you've provided. As I'm fairly new here, that's a good figure to keep it all in perspective. Does it deter me? No. I am enjoying the community, the great format, the ability to choose my subject, and the opportunity to connect with readers and writers in places I would otherwise never "go."

      Thank you for sharing your experience so articulately and objectively!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Bill! I suspect when you have several hundred hubs you will see that income. The topics you write about lend themselves well to this type of income. Whatever happens, I know your hubs are interesting and written well and that counts for a lot in this arena.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I echo your words completely, and it is an honor to write with so many talented and quality people like yourself. It would be nice to have a few hundred dollars a month coming in, but at this point I'm not holding my breath. :) Thank you my friend, and blessings to you always.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MJennifer, I fall under that category of do as I say rather than I do. LOL I will never make a lot of money on this site simply because I don't write in the style that is needed, and for the most part I don't choose to. That's okay because I love this community. My experiences here have been priceless and I'm not leaving. :) Thank you!

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      As long as we are happy, I think that is all that matters.

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      farmloft 4 years ago from Michigan

      Great hub - hurray for hubbers who are so uncool you're cool

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, I completely agree with you. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      farmloft, hooray indeed. I hope you know the secret handshake. :) Thank you!

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      AJ 4 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Very Funny! Thanks for the fun-filled advice! Did you write this to issue a challenge? Some poets and dreamers may take you up on it!

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      thoughtfulgirl2 4 years ago from East Coast

      I thought that was a pretty good article. I too am an artist (visual) and non-commercial artists and writers as a whole are just not wired to create commercial properties. I also see hubpages as you see it, but they do have an open door policy which is a good thing. You never know who may be reading your hubs. Voted up:)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ajwrites, no, no challenge. I am one of the essayists who will never make money, and many of my friends are poets on HP. Fact is we just don't make money writing the way we do. Oh well!

      Thanks for the visit; I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      thoughtfulgirl, you are absolutely right. All it takes is the right person reading your hub at the right time and doors will open. There is always hope my friend. Thank you!

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      Thelma Alberts 4 years ago from Germany

      Wow! It´s a long way to come at the bottom of this hub. I salute you Bill. You nailed it. As for me, I´m not doing much of keywords and SEO. I just want to have the freedom to write what I want in accordance with the law here in HP. When I joined Hubpages, I thought only of how I can improve my writing and I wanted to know If I really can write. I wanted to have an honest feedbacks and comments not only from my hubby but also from the readers whom I did not know in real life. I love Hubpages, too. Thanks for sharing this well written hub. Have a great day;-)

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      patchofearth 4 years ago from somewhere in the appalachian foothills

      You go, guy! Who needs to bow to the machine when you have a little integrity?

      P.S. Congrats on your real success.

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      Amy Becherer 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      The definition of a 'hub' is a central point of interest, commerce or transportation. That being said, it is no accident that the nature of hubpages is writing that pertains to 'how to', informational, interesting topics that will capture the readership of many and as a result, garner the most cash.

      Nevertheless, I love hubpages for the interesting, intelligent, friendly, supportive crowd that pepper this place in cyberspace. Poetry has become my predominant passion, ironically, through the friends I've made, who have encouraged my new interest. I realize that hubpages is not a poetry site, but I am willing to sit in a small corner to have the benefit of participating, learning and growing the art of poetry with a little help from my family of friends here at the hub. I am rich in the ways that matter.

      Great writing, Bill, that made me think about all the good that hubpages has brought into my life. I started the day with stress, but I'm closing it on an 'up' note. Hugs from St. Louis

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      Dancing Water 4 years ago

      I'm with you, Bill! Hub Pages rocks! I let go of the notion of earning moolah several months ago, but what I found instead was a group of sensitive, caring, intelligent, kind, passionate, compassionate, funny, quirky, truly individualistic, endearing people, and I am thoroughly enjoying the connections and friendships that are forming here! As usual, you hit the duck right on quack. Thank you for sharing so generously of the guy so many of us have come to embrace as a warm, kindred spirit on whom we can count for his exemplary integrity and inimitable spirit.

      As one of the endless members of the Bill Holland Fan Club, thank you, as always, for so generously sharing you with us.

      Blessings,

      Reba

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      TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

      Billy: as usual, you hit the nail right on the head. As a slow learner it took me quite awhile to figure out what I needed to do to make money here...and now that I'm making a little, HP isn't nearly as much fun as it used to be! The great irony here is that I finally made it past $1 per day and then got hit by Panda. It took forever to recover, and once I did...the CPM's dropped in half! So, I'm dawdling at around 50 cents a day and am not inspired to write as much as before...but, on the other hand, HP has given me a free education and my writing has improved significantly. And as a bonus, I got to meet great people like you...so, in the end, it has all worked out. I'm really glad you wrote this one and only wish it had been available to me when I first started with HP! Great job, Bill...keep up the good work.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, HubPages delivers all of that and more. I am a proud, card-carrying member and I can't imagine writing anywhere else. Thank you for a great comment and have a wonderful week my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      patchofearth, thank you so much. There is a lot to be said for integrity. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Amy, I'm always a bit surprised when I hear people complain about HubPages, that they aren't making as much money as they think they should. There is no mystery here and we have never been lied to. It's a business and is run as such. Having said that, I love it here because of people like you, and that is said with complete sincerity.

      hugs from Olympia coming your way

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, thank you! Your earnings history sounds like mine. I had almost doubled my daily earnings when the CPM's dropped, and now I'm right back where I was six months ago. LOL Gives new meaning to the words "forward progress." Nevertheless, like you, I love it here and it is solely because of the friends I have met. Thank you for that friendship.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Reba, you had me laughing with the "hit the duck right on the quack" line. Too funny! Seriously, I would not be on HubPages if it were not for people like you who continually encourage me and give me support. This is a great venue for that and I will always be grateful.

      Thank you my friend. I hope you have a wildly wonderful week.

      blessings to you as well

      bill

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      TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

      AWWW shucks, Bill! Ya make me feel right good when ya say stuff like that!! I'm in my RV on the tail end of another trip right now...life is very good and people like you only make it better!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, I want you to have a great time for both of us. :) I haven't had a vacation in three years and I am way overdo.

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      Writing about one's passions is the way to go. This does mean that certain subjects and niches are not very popular both with readers and advertisers. However doing what one loves is great for personal satisfaction if one is not in it for money.

      Even otherwise it takes time and effort before one can see money rolling in and that so far has not happened with me as well.

      I do love Hubpages and the community here though and this is the reason I'm here.

      Have a nice day, my friend.

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. Hubpages has a great community, but it not for people trying to make money. Allvoices pays up to $4.00 per 1,000 views. I am now a poet. But a good news writer can make good money there. Plus 5 of my fans were picked for better writing jobs. But Allvoices does have some problems.

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      DemiT 4 years ago from Greece

      billybuc thank you for the distinguishing the difference between writing and making money writing! I appreciate your honesty and true approach on this subject. I feel that a lot of people are caught up sometimes in between those two desires!

      Great hub :)

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      You make a dollar a day?! By my standards, you're making money hand over fist. lol

      Never mind. I joined HP to make money but I stay because the community is so fab.

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      Dennis Thorgesen 4 years ago from Central United States

      Hub pages helped me with my writing skills. Feedback from other members when we were allowed to email each other helped me a lot. In my case English was the third language I learned. It is also the hardest language. I am still learning.

      My "backwards" sentences helped me rank early. Some of my first hubs are still ranked. As I moved to more business related hubs this dropped off. Luckily I have a way to use them and the hubs of others to make a few cents here and there.

      What I use hub pages for is to let the people who are interested in doing business with me know what makes me who I am. I also use it to train them in aspects of business.

      While I was at it I wrote a few hubs and created a website with pictures to help hubbers. I love being part of this community. On the rare occasions I find time to visit always share what I find here. I am in an internet business yet my only form of residual income comes from hub pages.

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      devisree 4 years ago from India

      Hi billybuc

      Your hub is very interesting. Hub pages helps me to handle the language nicely. Appreciating others and being appreciated is a great feeling. Although I am not earning from hub pages I am satisfied with the hub pages community.

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      Katerina Kostaki 4 years ago from Athens-Greece

      William I love your article so much.I am a spiritual author and poetess.

      I am also writing on Love and Light ,my network is a spiritual one and the income is down in the pit . But who cares?I love writing and meeting new people .

      We both write from our heart and that is G-d blessed!

      love and blessings

      Katerina

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Another great hub about making money OR NOT. Hee..I am just happy for a place to write. I guess i would be the dreamer, i love poetry and short stories about life. Cheers My Friend...

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, very well stated. Thank you my friend; you are a great member of HP and a valued friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Martin! Good information and I'll check them out, but I do love HP.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Demi, I believe that is true, and that is one reason why I wrote this hub. You have a clarity that is necessary in this business. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, let me know if you need a loan. LOL Hey, we have great times anyway, right? Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Devisree, that was an interesting comment and thank you for it.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Katerina, I do believe you are the first to call me by my given name of William. In some odd way that was very nice. Thank you and obviously I agree with your comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, we are dreamers together and there is nothing wrong with dreaming. :) Bless you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      wheel, a very interesting comment. Thank you for sharing all of that. I think to make money one must be creative as you are being, and find a way to use HP to our advantage. You evidently are doing that. Thank you!

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      JanMaklak 4 years ago from Canada

      Bill! I started to read this and thought you sound a bit conflicted. It's like you had a public conversation with yourself. I'm one of the ones that is here primarily for money. I see retirement's gaze staring at me and I would like a bit of spare income in about 5 years or so. $200-$300 a month or so would do. I have 53 hubs in 3 months and 1 week and I'm hitting about $0.60 a day. Every time I write I feel a little conflicted. I keep hearing it will get better. I do enjoy writing but there has to be some light at the end of the tunnel for me. I'll give it some time like you but my long term goal is $10 a day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jan, there are many who make $10 per day, and I have no doubt you will too if your content remains solid and you keep writing and feeding the beast. I am conflicted a bit, but that is not the fault of HP. Thank you for your insight and best of luck to you.

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      Trinity M 4 years ago

      Hello Bill :) I know exactly what you mean! I have discovered that there is no quick buck to be made on HP by writers and anyone who tells you this is seriously overstating the truth. I have also been on HP for over a year, and although I haven’t even written a hundredth of the content you have, I have discovered that the returns do not equal the effort. For a while I worked hard at getting my articles to be evergreen, good content, informative, blah blah and I even made it to No. 1 on Google, only to have them change their criteria and be dropped off the grid. I’ve been back to the drawing board so many times that I have (as you may have noticed) given up on HP; for me the effort is not worth the returns and I’d rather spend the energy on my own stuff. The only thing that makes me come back is the wonderful people.

      Great hub as always my friend. Love to you always :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Trinity, I had better get over to Facebook and see if you are on there....it would be nice to talk to you in real time. Thank you for the confirmation on this subject. It's a good thing I love to write. :)

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      Frangipanni 4 years ago

      Wow great hub, Thanks for sharing. Makes newbies like me consider the very long road ahead. Voted up and interesting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frangipanni, you are very welcome. Welcome to HubPages and best of luck to you.

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      Nithya Venkat 4 years ago from Dubai

      A great write, I love HubPages because of the community and all the support and encouragement from people who are so kind that take the time out from their busy schedule to read what I have written. Truth and wisdom in your hub, voted up.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vellur! You echoed how I feel about HP. I love this community.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      We do have good times, Bill. And I've learned a lot since joining HP. I've been exposed to various writing style which in turn has helped me fine tune my own scribblings. I may not be making a fortune but I am getting a darn fine education. And that's something that will stay with me long after the money is spent.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, you should be a spokesperson for HP. Perfect description of what we get from HP. Thank you and have a wonderful Wednesday.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      You charmer, you. :) You enjoy your Wednesday as well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, I have an ex-wife who would disagree with you. LOL

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      Pamela Oglesby 4 years ago from United States

      I like Hubpages and I think this hub makes some very useful points. I think you know your audience well in most venues and you are improving each day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pamela, I hate to think where my writing level would be if it were not for HubPages and people like you. I try to be a better writer for my friends here. Thank you once again.

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      Wendy Cooley, LMSW 4 years ago from McMinnville, Oregon

      I am very new to this online world. Thanks for the support. I keep falling down, but I am one to always get up and try again. Great article!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      wkcooley, you are very welcome. Don't be afraid to ask for help. HubPages has a great community that is more than willing to lend an ear and answer any questions you might have.

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      This is an awesome hub for all new comers to HP. Indeed we poets are not here to earn money, but for the njoyment of writing and sharing with friends in this encouraging community.

      Even with poetry though views can be increased. I published a simple poem in Sept 2011 which did great for the first month, then it flatlined. In Sept 2012 I just added 2 words to the title and my views have shot up to 1,000 a month, now I know that isn't a lot, just a drop in the bucket for most big writers here, but for a poem to be getting that many views 18 months later is good (I think) and I am chufed with the results. In fact if the topic is typed into Google I am in 5th place on the first page which tickles me pink :)) Even if it doesn't earn me money I'm happy.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rosemay, I think that is a wonderful example of what can happen with a little change. For a poem to do that well is extraordinary. Well done my friend; you give hope to all poets in this internet world.

      Thank you for adding that news; I think it is important for many to read your words.

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      Paul Richard Kuehn 4 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand

      Billy this is a great hub and I really appreciate your honesty in evaluating Hubpages based on your personal experiences. You surprised me in saying that you make only a buck a day considering all of the hubs you have and all of the comments you get. But, I guess if no one is clicking on the ads, you won't make that much money. I'm like you in not wanting to play the HP game with good keywords and learning SEO. Voted up and sharing.

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      ignugent17 4 years ago

      Thanks for the honesty. It is a great help to understand if a person wants to join hubpages. The person has to decide if he wants to earn money or enjoy expressing himself by sharing poetry and short stories.

      Voted up and useful.

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      Jake Brannen 4 years ago from Canada

      Hey man, a steady dollar a day would be just fine by me. That would be half my monthly student loan bill gone! I currently hover between 10 and 20 cents a day, but I'm really just getting started.

      You should be proud, I aspire to what you've already achieved.

      By the way, not all essayists have it hard. Some of my biggest money makers are essays I wrote in college and reformatted for HubPages.

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      LoisRyan13903 4 years ago from Upstate NY originally from Long Island

      I think if somebody who writes poems and short stories and wants to make some type of profit on HP, they have to have a balance of SEO articles as well.

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      sweetie1 4 years ago from India

      Hi billybuc,

      I fully agree with you that even though Hub pages is a blog site yet it is a business. And like every business it has to be natured. But I have seen that only those who are very active here earn some money. I only earn when I am active here. When I started I really thought it would be a passive income.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paul, it is frustrating at times, but I keep reminding myself why I write in the first place. It's a juggling act I am constantly doing, trying to find a formula that allows me to write the way I want and still get views. Good luck to you and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ignugent, it is tough to find compromise between those two extremes. I'm at peace with my decision to write the way I enjoy writing, but I'll never get rich doing it my way. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Spongy, I am proud of what I have accomplished. Not all rewards are monetary. Thank you for the visit and good luck with your HP career....and beyond.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lois, they do indeed. Balance is the key; I just haven't found it yet. LOL Thank you for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sweetie, that is an excellent observation. I love the way you worded it. Best of luck to you and thank you for visiting.

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      Jasmine 4 years ago

      You're right on the spot by reminding us that sites like Squidoo and HP are businesses - I'm trying to think like a seller and develop my SEO and copywriting skills (although I had phases thinking I'm done here). It's a good thing we have real writers like you hanging around HP who write just for writing's sake. I'm a dreamer all right and hope that dreams do come true - finishing my first novel will be the next big step :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vox, I am torn at times between writing for money here on HP and writing for the love of writing. I'm trying to find a way to do both. LOL Not sure if it is possible. Good luck with that book.

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      Levertis Steele 4 years ago from Southern Clime

      What a hub! I must say that I am in total agreement with you. In order to roll on this site, maybe many hubbers do need to change to HubPages standards. That does not mean that many hubbers are not good writers. You attract many readers, so you must be excellent. I enjoy your style. Your work makes me think, discover, and enjoy.

      If only Edgar Allen Poe had lived to see the fruits of his wonderful world-loved writing. During his time, he was met with many disappointments earning only a few dollars for what is priceless today. He never knew that he left a great contribution to the literary world. Like many hubbers, including myself, he did not make much money. Who knows what lies ahead for any writer?

      Best wishes!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Levertis, your point is an excellent one. If money on HP dictates to a person whether to write or not, I find that sad. This is a craft, and it is one that can break hearts daily. Willingness and determination will carry us through those times. Thank you for a great comment.

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      Barbara Kay Badder 4 years ago from USA

      This was another enjoyable article. I think many of us wish we didn't have to worry about the money and just write what we feel like at the moment. I am happy you are able to do that. I have a website where I do that, but I don't get to write there often.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, it seems to be the eternal struggle for writers at this time in history. Thank you for the visit and best wishes on your writing.

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      Temi Benjamin 4 years ago from Europe.

      Thanks for this @billybuc....it's really helpful. :)

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Another great share Billy and I feel just like you about how and what we write. I have gained more from my hubs than money could ever buy; mind you that doesn't mean that a little money wouldn't be gratefully accepted,haha!!!

      Enjoy your day my friend.

      Eddy.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Temi, it was my pleasure, and thank you for visiting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, the search for passive income continues. Heck, the search for active income continues as well. LOL I need to find a balance somehow...maybe today will be the day.

      Thank you dear lady.

      love,

      billy

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      Shelley Watson 4 years ago

      A great, forthright article once again Bill, that elicits the marvellous comments that your followers leave, which just enriches everyone who visits. Thank you, and sharing!

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      Maria Cecilia 4 years ago from Philippines

      Hi Billybuc, that is the Hubpages reality, but believe it or not I really love this site because It challenges my writing flexibilities, just like you it took years before I got my first payment but I don't complain because to see all my collections of articles here ready to be read by everyone all over the world, is really a pleasure for me... I guess to some income is next to the happiness of being read by everyone.... Thanks for sharing..

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Shelley, it's so nice to see you once again. Thank you! I am blessed with some great followers.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, I agree with what you said. My body of work will last long after I am gone and for whatever reason, that is comforting to me. Thank you!

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      Mandy Ellis 4 years ago from Austin, TX

      The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone else when we're uncool. -Almost Famous

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      billybuc,

      I really enjoyed this hub; it was no get-rich-fast scheme, just reality. I think this should be including in the Getting Started With HubPages Tutorial. Who doesn't want to make money? There are a lot of frustrated and bitter hubbers out there that want to blame HP for the lack of personal profit. I'd love to make money for being here, but I'm content just the same.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mandy, I love that line...thanks for reminding me of it....and thanks for dropping by.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cantuhearmescream....you need a shorter hub name. LOL I love it here at HP because of the people I have met. I also get to practice my craft and build my portfolio, and that's not a bad deal. I am always surprised when someone complains about HP because of money. It is what it is.

      Good to have you in my neighborhood. Thank you for the visit.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Just call me Cat; I added my name to my profile over the weekend (because I realized it was a bit annoying addressing me), it temporarily updated and appeared but in the midst of the near HP crash/lagging it must've disappeared.

      I think that google searches and advertisements market HP as a "place to make money". I think that a lot of people join with thoughts of making money from writing some articles. If you don't enjoy writing and communicating with other people then this probably isn't the place for you. I have seen a lot of negative nellies since I've been here, but in general the community is super friendly. I'm here to stay.

      You'll be hearing more from me!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat is is, then, and I look forward to a new friendship. Thank you!

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      I appreciate your candidness and honesty. As a NEWBIE I can learn much from you. I pen two blogs and have to be very conscious about my SEO scores. These blogs are designed to garner traffic and increase sales. Hubpages gives me the opportunity to just be me, to express and share my perspectives on numerous things. I also enjoy the community. As a retired person, I get to engage with and learn from others, especially the younger hubbers. I am grateful for all of you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ladydeonne, thank you for that perspective. I make my money writing from other sources and yes, I do SEO work for customers. HubPages is my creative release, and it gives me the chance to improve my craft among a supportive group of peers. I am glad you are here and I hope you find the same sense of satisfaction here that I have found.

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      DREAM ON 4 years ago

      Another topic you have covered in great detail and with the perfect twist of honesty.I write to share my thoughts of all my personal accomplishments and many more struggles with life.Making money is always a plus but when the money runs out you have nothing.When I write a story or a poem my words live in anyone that can relate to what I am saying.It is up to me to write better and I get that through HubPages and lots of practice.I am so lucky to have the HubPages community to share my passion in life.When I read someone elses hub I have to read every comment and try to understand how other writers feel about what I read.Your hubs get so many views I struggle reading every comment because it can take me a very long, long time.I wouldn't have it any other way.To change who I am and write something I am not passionate about to make money is selling out my dream of becoming a writer that I want to become.The best things in life that I have learned are by meeting wonderful people and funny times that make my life complete.I admire all your stories and thanx for being unique and so special.Have a good night and it is almost midnight here and a new day just around the corner.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On....as you have pointed out, serious writers do not sell out. We answer a silent voice inside of us and keep following our dreams. Hooray to you and bravo! May you find what you are looking for at the end of the rainbow. Thank you my friend....great comment.

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      Lauren 4 years ago from St. Louis

      Excellent Billy! Voted up and agreed! I love the hubpage community and what it offers. Making money is a sidenote for this girl!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Impounds, good to see you and thanks for the visit.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      billybuc,

      you said God bless the poets and dreamers 'cause theirs is the Kingdom of Poverty on hubpages. haha I LOVE it.

      You have some other gems in your article too. Great hub!

      Ahem.....since it also gives information on they keys to actually earning money, this hub might become a money-maker for you!

      Unless/until then, keep enjoying the freedom even if it doesn't bring money, just as I do too! ha. Because I do agree with you that Hubpages gives us the freedom to express ourselves and put our writings out there into the big wide world of possible-listeners.

      "We are so uncool that we're actually cool"...........another delicious nugget.......I admire your writing skill.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brenda, what a nice comment to receive. Thank you! I do think poets and essayists get the short straw on HP, but that does not mean I am down on the site. I understand they are a business...duh! I'll stay here and entertain whomever I can hoodwink. LOL Thank you so much for the visit.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      Hi Billybuc, Nothing like saying it is as it is. A dollar a day sounds better than no dollar a day. I enjoyed the pure honesty of this Hub and the genuine warmth from your fan base. You are rich beyond words.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I agree with you completely. The friendships I have formed on this site are beyond any monetary standards. Thank you!

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      Benjamin Chege 3 years ago

      Hi Billy, great hub voted up, funny and interesting. Can I ask a few questions? 7 months later, do you still think that hubpages is not a cashcow for hubbers? Here are some critical questions that I think are related to making money online. Are there people who make $1000 in a month through HP? Or at least how much do the best hubbers make here? How many views in a day do you need to generate at least $10? How many views per month are needed to generate $300 in a month? I think that is a good place to start from for those who want to make money as they enjoy writing. I am new in HP and do not know how much on average one makes per 1000 views (I here it depends on clicks, but I have no idea how much per click). But if you know how many views you want, it will be easier to know how far you need to work on your SEO strategies. Great hub.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Benjamin, I don't think there is a concrete answer for your questions. I know that I saw my first payout in four months...at about 200 views per day....the first time I had a payout in a month my views were about 600 per day.....I do believe there are Hubbers who make $1000 per month but they have ridiculous numbers....say four million views overall....the longer you are here and the more you write, the more you will make provided your hubs are SEO friendly, and it is accumulative, so you will most likely make more on your hubs after a year as they filter through the internet.

      I hope that helps you.

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      Benjamin Chege 3 years ago

      Hi Billy, thank you very much. That answers all my questions. (200 views*30 days in a month*4 months = 24, 000 views). Dividing that by the first paycheck, that is an average of $2.08 per 1000 views assuming every 1000 views attract the same number of ad clicks. That means that for a hubber to make $10 per day ($300 per month assuming the month constitutes 30 days), you need about 5000 views per day, which is about 150,000 views per month. On the other hand, $1000 per month, which is equivalent to $33.33 per day, would need at least 16,667 views per day (500,000 view per month). You would have to be a real SEO expert to get such hits in a day. I see why such guys have over 4 million views overall, as they probably get over 0.5 million views in a month. Although I do not do this entirely for the money, I always like understanding what I do. By the way, you do not have to approve this comment if it invades into your privacy in any way. I just had to do some mathematics to understand the concept better. Thank you Billy for your assistance.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Benjamin, I appreciate the math...it gives others a clear understand of the task ahead. Yes, I know several Hubbers who receive a thousand views on one hub alone each day...so it is possible. Craft writers do the best around here....my advice....find a niche and then keep writing about that niche until you are the go-to guy in that field.

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      Benjamin Chege 3 years ago

      Billy, we all appreciate your worthy advice. Enjoy your day

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Benjamin...you too!

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      DREAM ON 3 years ago

      Once again I check and learn new information from your hubs and your comments . You are a great source of good information and honesty. I put you in between my bible and my dictionary. Have a wonderful night.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On, I can live with that position. LOL Thank you so much!

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      Tatiana Wright 3 years ago from Hilo, Hawaii

      Great article. I certainly enjoyed reading it. My husband found HubPages on his Monster profile by chance and passed it on to me. While I never had any intention of hitting the mother lode with HubPages even before reading this article, my husband suggested that immersing myself into a writing community such as this one could prove to be more helpful for my writing than any other platform I had tried. Which, admittedly, up until a week or so ago when I joined, was my Facebook page where I would fruitlessly upload one essay after another for the enjoyment of my droves of followers. Read 76 "Friends" which are no more than cousins in their 20-somethings, bored and aging relatives looking to stay relevant, and a few college buddies. In the end each essay receives no more than the requisite "Like" or two and my two grandmas leaving blanket statements like, "You're so smart!", or "Beautiful girl:)". Unless, of course, Becky had another baby. In that case, the next few essays will inevitably die on the vine. I'm happy to have found HubPages. At least now my essays will be in the company of other unseen essays and poems, and I too have found myself in the company of other essayists and poets with whom we can lick each others penniless wounds and encourage each others rosy dispositions. Thanks for the read!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tatiana, what a great comment. Thanks for sharing that. I love HP because of the community. You get out of it what you put into it; the more member you follow and get to know, the more views and comments you will receive. Hey, there is a place in the world for essayists...that's what I am and I have had great success here.

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      Maria Cecilia 3 years ago from Philippines

      I just wanna that next month i am going to receive my 3rd payment from hubpages... Not that much and it took months before it reached the amiunt required to get paid, but the point is i was inactive for months but still i earned.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, thanks for sharing your experience here. It is a long road but making money is possible here if one is patient and willing to do that work. Best wishes to you.

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      Lena Kovadlo 23 months ago from Staten Island, NY

      Great article. For a writer it should be more about the writing and the interaction of the readers on published posts and not about the money but for those that don't have jobs money is a major factor. I've been a member of HubPages since 2009 but I am not that successful with my earnings. Takes about a half a year if not more to get to the minimum payout amount. That is ridiculous. And not all my hubs have a lot of views either. Wish I knew what to do. I wanna be as successful as others who get paid every month and have tons of traffic to all their hubs. Maybe one of these days... One can surely dream.

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      Bill Holland 22 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Lena, thank you for sharing. Oddly, I had my first payout after two months, and I've had them ever since...but the fluctuations depending on Google changes are disappointing at times. It is at those times that I have to remind myself why it is that I write.

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