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Earning Money Online With Groups Like HubPages

Updated on October 9, 2013

A Dose of Reality

“If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and has tail feathers like a duck, there is a very good chance that it is a duck.”

As I thought about writing this article I was reminded of that saying.

The fact is that online writing sites like HubPages or Squidoo or the host of others are primarily businesses. They are in business to make money. They are not benevolent sites constructed to further your writing career and help you to pay your bills. They are businesses attempting to pay their bills.

I do not write that as an expression of bitterness, but rather to clear up some misconceptions about this writing community of HubPages and others like it.

I have written for HubPages now for over a year, and I think I can safely state that I am an established member of that community. I have written over 400 Hubs and I have enjoyed close to 150,000 views. I have won some awards and I have earned some respect. What I have not done is earn money online and quite frankly that is not the fault of HubPages.

Allow me to explain.

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How It Works

I’m going to simplify this for those of you who are considering writing for HubPages, or one of the other sites, and do not understand how it all works.

HubPages earns money on every single article (Hub) written on their site. They do this by offering advertising space on every Hub. The more popular the article is, the more views it receives, and the more views the advertising receives. HubPages is, in a very real sense, a cash cow, because they literally receive millions of views each year. They are in the Top 50 of viewed sites on the internet.

Let me repeat: HubPages is a business.

Now, if you are a writer, how do you earn online through HubPages? You make money based on the number of views that your article receives, but more importantly your earnings are based on the number of ads that are clicked by readers of your Hubs, and also by the number of products that are sold based on the advertising on your Hubs.

Traffic is driven to your articles based on subject matter and content, but more importantly based on keywords and other SEO techniques that attract the attention of search engines.

In other words, the more proficient you are at using SEO techniques, and the more proficient you are at writing content articles that will attract a large viewing, the better your chances are of making decent money on HubPages.

The opposite is also true, which explains why I do not earn much money on HubPages.

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God Bless the Poets and the Dreamers

Are poets allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Are essayists allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Are short story writers allowed on HubPages? Most definitely! Do they make much money on HubPages? Rarely!

Do you get the point yet?

Let me put it this way. I don’t for a second believe that the staff of HubPages sits around in the corporate office devising ways to help poets make money. It is not in their best interests to do so. What is in their best interest is to teach writers through their Learning Center how to write an attractive and well-written article that will attract millions of viewers. Thus we see an abundance of How To articles and recipes and advice articles on the best products to buy if you are a mother with a young child.

What do people search for on the search engines? Well, for the most part it is not poetry and it is not essays on the trouble with government. What people search for are answers to daily problems like a clogged drain or how to boil an egg, and those articles, dealing with those issues, are what make HubPages money.

This is not brain surgery.

The whole point of this is to point out that if you are not making money on HubPages there is a very good reason why you are not. If you want to make money on HubPages then you will learn how to write good content using SEO techniques. Period!

And that is why I say God bless the poets and the dreamers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Poverty on HubPages.

So What Does Hubpages Do for the Poets and Dreamers?

Lest you think this is a no-win situation if you are a poet or essayist, I want you to know there are great benefits in writing on this site.

HubPages gives any writer a forum and an open door to the internet. You have a platform from which you can send your work out into the netherworld for all to see.

HubPages gives any writer a supportive community of writers from which encouragement and help can be drawn.

HubPages provides a helpful staff (thank you Simone) and proven techniques that can help you in being more successful.

HubPages allows you to practice your craft in a huge public setting, and gives you the vehicle from which you just might be discovered by an agent, publisher or prospective employer.

And they give all of that to you for free!

My Personal Opinion of Hubpages

I really think this discussion boils down to what you expect from HubPages. Monetarily I have been a dismal failure on this site. I average a dollar per day and that is after a year and 405 Hubs. By any standard you wish to use in judging monetary success, I have failed. Having said that, there is a very good reason why I have failed. I have not played the HubPages game, so I was destined to fail from the outset. I give very little consideration to keywords and SEO techniques. I write few “evergreen” Hubs. I write essays on life and reflective pieces on happiness and love. In the internet world, I am still scratching at the door waiting for someone to let me in by accident.

If money is the determining factor for success then you might as well throw dirt over me and say some prayers because I am dead. My style of writing will never garner a large income from HubPages.

However, I love HubPages, and the reason I love it is because of the community of writers, many of whom are now dear friends. I receive support daily from people just like me who struggle in relative obscurity but who all have the same passion that I have, the passion of writing.

I have nothing but praise for HubPages. I understand that they are a business and I understand that I do not give them what they want, so there are no hard feelings. Nobody is forcing me to write the way I write, in a style destined for poverty, and to HubPages credit they do not try to change me. They allow me the freedom to perfect my craft and they are supportive and helpful when I ask for assistance.

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Bottom Line

If I want to make more money on HubPages then it is up to me to change. All the pissing and moaning in the world does not change the fact that HubPages is a business, a very successful business, and they will do quite nicely whether I am a member or I am not a member.

Since I choose not to change my style of writing it would seem to me that I have no reason to complain about the lack of online income.

Until that day comes when I need the income and I’m willing to change my style of writing, I will continue to sit on the fringes with all the other poets and essayists and work on my craft and try to improve my writing abilities. I kind of like the group I’m in. We have our own secret handshake and we have decoder rings and we have very little pressure on us because you see, nobody expects us to make it in online writing.

We are so uncool that we are actually cool.

Remember, if you see something with tail feathers, and it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is a damn good chance that it is HubPages!

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lena, thank you for sharing. Oddly, I had my first payout after two months, and I've had them ever since...but the fluctuations depending on Google changes are disappointing at times. It is at those times that I have to remind myself why it is that I write.

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      Lena Kovadlo 2 years ago from Staten Island, NY

      Great article. For a writer it should be more about the writing and the interaction of the readers on published posts and not about the money but for those that don't have jobs money is a major factor. I've been a member of HubPages since 2009 but I am not that successful with my earnings. Takes about a half a year if not more to get to the minimum payout amount. That is ridiculous. And not all my hubs have a lot of views either. Wish I knew what to do. I wanna be as successful as others who get paid every month and have tons of traffic to all their hubs. Maybe one of these days... One can surely dream.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, thanks for sharing your experience here. It is a long road but making money is possible here if one is patient and willing to do that work. Best wishes to you.

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      Maria Cecilia 3 years ago from Philippines

      I just wanna that next month i am going to receive my 3rd payment from hubpages... Not that much and it took months before it reached the amiunt required to get paid, but the point is i was inactive for months but still i earned.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tatiana, what a great comment. Thanks for sharing that. I love HP because of the community. You get out of it what you put into it; the more member you follow and get to know, the more views and comments you will receive. Hey, there is a place in the world for essayists...that's what I am and I have had great success here.

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      Tatiana Wright 3 years ago from Hilo, Hawaii

      Great article. I certainly enjoyed reading it. My husband found HubPages on his Monster profile by chance and passed it on to me. While I never had any intention of hitting the mother lode with HubPages even before reading this article, my husband suggested that immersing myself into a writing community such as this one could prove to be more helpful for my writing than any other platform I had tried. Which, admittedly, up until a week or so ago when I joined, was my Facebook page where I would fruitlessly upload one essay after another for the enjoyment of my droves of followers. Read 76 "Friends" which are no more than cousins in their 20-somethings, bored and aging relatives looking to stay relevant, and a few college buddies. In the end each essay receives no more than the requisite "Like" or two and my two grandmas leaving blanket statements like, "You're so smart!", or "Beautiful girl:)". Unless, of course, Becky had another baby. In that case, the next few essays will inevitably die on the vine. I'm happy to have found HubPages. At least now my essays will be in the company of other unseen essays and poems, and I too have found myself in the company of other essayists and poets with whom we can lick each others penniless wounds and encourage each others rosy dispositions. Thanks for the read!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On, I can live with that position. LOL Thank you so much!

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      DREAM ON 4 years ago

      Once again I check and learn new information from your hubs and your comments . You are a great source of good information and honesty. I put you in between my bible and my dictionary. Have a wonderful night.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Benjamin...you too!

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      Benjamin Chege 4 years ago

      Billy, we all appreciate your worthy advice. Enjoy your day

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Benjamin, I appreciate the math...it gives others a clear understand of the task ahead. Yes, I know several Hubbers who receive a thousand views on one hub alone each day...so it is possible. Craft writers do the best around here....my advice....find a niche and then keep writing about that niche until you are the go-to guy in that field.

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      Benjamin Chege 4 years ago

      Hi Billy, thank you very much. That answers all my questions. (200 views*30 days in a month*4 months = 24, 000 views). Dividing that by the first paycheck, that is an average of $2.08 per 1000 views assuming every 1000 views attract the same number of ad clicks. That means that for a hubber to make $10 per day ($300 per month assuming the month constitutes 30 days), you need about 5000 views per day, which is about 150,000 views per month. On the other hand, $1000 per month, which is equivalent to $33.33 per day, would need at least 16,667 views per day (500,000 view per month). You would have to be a real SEO expert to get such hits in a day. I see why such guys have over 4 million views overall, as they probably get over 0.5 million views in a month. Although I do not do this entirely for the money, I always like understanding what I do. By the way, you do not have to approve this comment if it invades into your privacy in any way. I just had to do some mathematics to understand the concept better. Thank you Billy for your assistance.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Benjamin, I don't think there is a concrete answer for your questions. I know that I saw my first payout in four months...at about 200 views per day....the first time I had a payout in a month my views were about 600 per day.....I do believe there are Hubbers who make $1000 per month but they have ridiculous numbers....say four million views overall....the longer you are here and the more you write, the more you will make provided your hubs are SEO friendly, and it is accumulative, so you will most likely make more on your hubs after a year as they filter through the internet.

      I hope that helps you.

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      Benjamin Chege 4 years ago

      Hi Billy, great hub voted up, funny and interesting. Can I ask a few questions? 7 months later, do you still think that hubpages is not a cashcow for hubbers? Here are some critical questions that I think are related to making money online. Are there people who make $1000 in a month through HP? Or at least how much do the best hubbers make here? How many views in a day do you need to generate at least $10? How many views per month are needed to generate $300 in a month? I think that is a good place to start from for those who want to make money as they enjoy writing. I am new in HP and do not know how much on average one makes per 1000 views (I here it depends on clicks, but I have no idea how much per click). But if you know how many views you want, it will be easier to know how far you need to work on your SEO strategies. Great hub.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I agree with you completely. The friendships I have formed on this site are beyond any monetary standards. Thank you!

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      Hi Billybuc, Nothing like saying it is as it is. A dollar a day sounds better than no dollar a day. I enjoyed the pure honesty of this Hub and the genuine warmth from your fan base. You are rich beyond words.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brenda, what a nice comment to receive. Thank you! I do think poets and essayists get the short straw on HP, but that does not mean I am down on the site. I understand they are a business...duh! I'll stay here and entertain whomever I can hoodwink. LOL Thank you so much for the visit.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      billybuc,

      you said God bless the poets and dreamers 'cause theirs is the Kingdom of Poverty on hubpages. haha I LOVE it.

      You have some other gems in your article too. Great hub!

      Ahem.....since it also gives information on they keys to actually earning money, this hub might become a money-maker for you!

      Unless/until then, keep enjoying the freedom even if it doesn't bring money, just as I do too! ha. Because I do agree with you that Hubpages gives us the freedom to express ourselves and put our writings out there into the big wide world of possible-listeners.

      "We are so uncool that we're actually cool"...........another delicious nugget.......I admire your writing skill.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Impounds, good to see you and thanks for the visit.

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      Lauren 4 years ago from St. Louis

      Excellent Billy! Voted up and agreed! I love the hubpage community and what it offers. Making money is a sidenote for this girl!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dream On....as you have pointed out, serious writers do not sell out. We answer a silent voice inside of us and keep following our dreams. Hooray to you and bravo! May you find what you are looking for at the end of the rainbow. Thank you my friend....great comment.

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      DREAM ON 4 years ago

      Another topic you have covered in great detail and with the perfect twist of honesty.I write to share my thoughts of all my personal accomplishments and many more struggles with life.Making money is always a plus but when the money runs out you have nothing.When I write a story or a poem my words live in anyone that can relate to what I am saying.It is up to me to write better and I get that through HubPages and lots of practice.I am so lucky to have the HubPages community to share my passion in life.When I read someone elses hub I have to read every comment and try to understand how other writers feel about what I read.Your hubs get so many views I struggle reading every comment because it can take me a very long, long time.I wouldn't have it any other way.To change who I am and write something I am not passionate about to make money is selling out my dream of becoming a writer that I want to become.The best things in life that I have learned are by meeting wonderful people and funny times that make my life complete.I admire all your stories and thanx for being unique and so special.Have a good night and it is almost midnight here and a new day just around the corner.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ladydeonne, thank you for that perspective. I make my money writing from other sources and yes, I do SEO work for customers. HubPages is my creative release, and it gives me the chance to improve my craft among a supportive group of peers. I am glad you are here and I hope you find the same sense of satisfaction here that I have found.

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      I appreciate your candidness and honesty. As a NEWBIE I can learn much from you. I pen two blogs and have to be very conscious about my SEO scores. These blogs are designed to garner traffic and increase sales. Hubpages gives me the opportunity to just be me, to express and share my perspectives on numerous things. I also enjoy the community. As a retired person, I get to engage with and learn from others, especially the younger hubbers. I am grateful for all of you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat is is, then, and I look forward to a new friendship. Thank you!

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Just call me Cat; I added my name to my profile over the weekend (because I realized it was a bit annoying addressing me), it temporarily updated and appeared but in the midst of the near HP crash/lagging it must've disappeared.

      I think that google searches and advertisements market HP as a "place to make money". I think that a lot of people join with thoughts of making money from writing some articles. If you don't enjoy writing and communicating with other people then this probably isn't the place for you. I have seen a lot of negative nellies since I've been here, but in general the community is super friendly. I'm here to stay.

      You'll be hearing more from me!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cantuhearmescream....you need a shorter hub name. LOL I love it here at HP because of the people I have met. I also get to practice my craft and build my portfolio, and that's not a bad deal. I am always surprised when someone complains about HP because of money. It is what it is.

      Good to have you in my neighborhood. Thank you for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mandy, I love that line...thanks for reminding me of it....and thanks for dropping by.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      billybuc,

      I really enjoyed this hub; it was no get-rich-fast scheme, just reality. I think this should be including in the Getting Started With HubPages Tutorial. Who doesn't want to make money? There are a lot of frustrated and bitter hubbers out there that want to blame HP for the lack of personal profit. I'd love to make money for being here, but I'm content just the same.

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      Mandy Ellis 4 years ago from Austin, TX

      The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone else when we're uncool. -Almost Famous

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, I agree with what you said. My body of work will last long after I am gone and for whatever reason, that is comforting to me. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Shelley, it's so nice to see you once again. Thank you! I am blessed with some great followers.

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      Maria Cecilia 4 years ago from Philippines

      Hi Billybuc, that is the Hubpages reality, but believe it or not I really love this site because It challenges my writing flexibilities, just like you it took years before I got my first payment but I don't complain because to see all my collections of articles here ready to be read by everyone all over the world, is really a pleasure for me... I guess to some income is next to the happiness of being read by everyone.... Thanks for sharing..

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      Shelley Watson 4 years ago

      A great, forthright article once again Bill, that elicits the marvellous comments that your followers leave, which just enriches everyone who visits. Thank you, and sharing!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, the search for passive income continues. Heck, the search for active income continues as well. LOL I need to find a balance somehow...maybe today will be the day.

      Thank you dear lady.

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Temi, it was my pleasure, and thank you for visiting.

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Another great share Billy and I feel just like you about how and what we write. I have gained more from my hubs than money could ever buy; mind you that doesn't mean that a little money wouldn't be gratefully accepted,haha!!!

      Enjoy your day my friend.

      Eddy.

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      Temi Benjamin 4 years ago from Europe.

      Thanks for this @billybuc....it's really helpful. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, it seems to be the eternal struggle for writers at this time in history. Thank you for the visit and best wishes on your writing.

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      Barbara Badder 4 years ago from USA

      This was another enjoyable article. I think many of us wish we didn't have to worry about the money and just write what we feel like at the moment. I am happy you are able to do that. I have a website where I do that, but I don't get to write there often.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Levertis, your point is an excellent one. If money on HP dictates to a person whether to write or not, I find that sad. This is a craft, and it is one that can break hearts daily. Willingness and determination will carry us through those times. Thank you for a great comment.

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      Levertis Steele 4 years ago from Southern Clime

      What a hub! I must say that I am in total agreement with you. In order to roll on this site, maybe many hubbers do need to change to HubPages standards. That does not mean that many hubbers are not good writers. You attract many readers, so you must be excellent. I enjoy your style. Your work makes me think, discover, and enjoy.

      If only Edgar Allen Poe had lived to see the fruits of his wonderful world-loved writing. During his time, he was met with many disappointments earning only a few dollars for what is priceless today. He never knew that he left a great contribution to the literary world. Like many hubbers, including myself, he did not make much money. Who knows what lies ahead for any writer?

      Best wishes!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vox, I am torn at times between writing for money here on HP and writing for the love of writing. I'm trying to find a way to do both. LOL Not sure if it is possible. Good luck with that book.

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      Jasmine 4 years ago

      You're right on the spot by reminding us that sites like Squidoo and HP are businesses - I'm trying to think like a seller and develop my SEO and copywriting skills (although I had phases thinking I'm done here). It's a good thing we have real writers like you hanging around HP who write just for writing's sake. I'm a dreamer all right and hope that dreams do come true - finishing my first novel will be the next big step :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sweetie, that is an excellent observation. I love the way you worded it. Best of luck to you and thank you for visiting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lois, they do indeed. Balance is the key; I just haven't found it yet. LOL Thank you for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Spongy, I am proud of what I have accomplished. Not all rewards are monetary. Thank you for the visit and good luck with your HP career....and beyond.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ignugent, it is tough to find compromise between those two extremes. I'm at peace with my decision to write the way I enjoy writing, but I'll never get rich doing it my way. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paul, it is frustrating at times, but I keep reminding myself why I write in the first place. It's a juggling act I am constantly doing, trying to find a formula that allows me to write the way I want and still get views. Good luck to you and thank you.

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      sweetie1 4 years ago from India

      Hi billybuc,

      I fully agree with you that even though Hub pages is a blog site yet it is a business. And like every business it has to be natured. But I have seen that only those who are very active here earn some money. I only earn when I am active here. When I started I really thought it would be a passive income.

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      LoisRyan13903 4 years ago from Upstate NY originally from Long Island

      I think if somebody who writes poems and short stories and wants to make some type of profit on HP, they have to have a balance of SEO articles as well.

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      Jake Brannen 4 years ago from Canada

      Hey man, a steady dollar a day would be just fine by me. That would be half my monthly student loan bill gone! I currently hover between 10 and 20 cents a day, but I'm really just getting started.

      You should be proud, I aspire to what you've already achieved.

      By the way, not all essayists have it hard. Some of my biggest money makers are essays I wrote in college and reformatted for HubPages.

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      ignugent17 4 years ago

      Thanks for the honesty. It is a great help to understand if a person wants to join hubpages. The person has to decide if he wants to earn money or enjoy expressing himself by sharing poetry and short stories.

      Voted up and useful.

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      Paul Richard Kuehn 4 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand

      Billy this is a great hub and I really appreciate your honesty in evaluating Hubpages based on your personal experiences. You surprised me in saying that you make only a buck a day considering all of the hubs you have and all of the comments you get. But, I guess if no one is clicking on the ads, you won't make that much money. I'm like you in not wanting to play the HP game with good keywords and learning SEO. Voted up and sharing.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rosemay, I think that is a wonderful example of what can happen with a little change. For a poem to do that well is extraordinary. Well done my friend; you give hope to all poets in this internet world.

      Thank you for adding that news; I think it is important for many to read your words.

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      This is an awesome hub for all new comers to HP. Indeed we poets are not here to earn money, but for the njoyment of writing and sharing with friends in this encouraging community.

      Even with poetry though views can be increased. I published a simple poem in Sept 2011 which did great for the first month, then it flatlined. In Sept 2012 I just added 2 words to the title and my views have shot up to 1,000 a month, now I know that isn't a lot, just a drop in the bucket for most big writers here, but for a poem to be getting that many views 18 months later is good (I think) and I am chufed with the results. In fact if the topic is typed into Google I am in 5th place on the first page which tickles me pink :)) Even if it doesn't earn me money I'm happy.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      wkcooley, you are very welcome. Don't be afraid to ask for help. HubPages has a great community that is more than willing to lend an ear and answer any questions you might have.

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      Wendy Cooley, LMSW 4 years ago from McMinnville, Oregon

      I am very new to this online world. Thanks for the support. I keep falling down, but I am one to always get up and try again. Great article!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pamela, I hate to think where my writing level would be if it were not for HubPages and people like you. I try to be a better writer for my friends here. Thank you once again.

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      Pamela Oglesby 4 years ago from United States

      I like Hubpages and I think this hub makes some very useful points. I think you know your audience well in most venues and you are improving each day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, I have an ex-wife who would disagree with you. LOL

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      You charmer, you. :) You enjoy your Wednesday as well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, you should be a spokesperson for HP. Perfect description of what we get from HP. Thank you and have a wonderful Wednesday.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      We do have good times, Bill. And I've learned a lot since joining HP. I've been exposed to various writing style which in turn has helped me fine tune my own scribblings. I may not be making a fortune but I am getting a darn fine education. And that's something that will stay with me long after the money is spent.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vellur! You echoed how I feel about HP. I love this community.

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      Nithya Venkat 4 years ago from Dubai

      A great write, I love HubPages because of the community and all the support and encouragement from people who are so kind that take the time out from their busy schedule to read what I have written. Truth and wisdom in your hub, voted up.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frangipanni, you are very welcome. Welcome to HubPages and best of luck to you.

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      Frangipanni 4 years ago

      Wow great hub, Thanks for sharing. Makes newbies like me consider the very long road ahead. Voted up and interesting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Trinity, I had better get over to Facebook and see if you are on there....it would be nice to talk to you in real time. Thank you for the confirmation on this subject. It's a good thing I love to write. :)

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      Trinity M 4 years ago

      Hello Bill :) I know exactly what you mean! I have discovered that there is no quick buck to be made on HP by writers and anyone who tells you this is seriously overstating the truth. I have also been on HP for over a year, and although I haven’t even written a hundredth of the content you have, I have discovered that the returns do not equal the effort. For a while I worked hard at getting my articles to be evergreen, good content, informative, blah blah and I even made it to No. 1 on Google, only to have them change their criteria and be dropped off the grid. I’ve been back to the drawing board so many times that I have (as you may have noticed) given up on HP; for me the effort is not worth the returns and I’d rather spend the energy on my own stuff. The only thing that makes me come back is the wonderful people.

      Great hub as always my friend. Love to you always :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jan, there are many who make $10 per day, and I have no doubt you will too if your content remains solid and you keep writing and feeding the beast. I am conflicted a bit, but that is not the fault of HP. Thank you for your insight and best of luck to you.

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      JanMaklak 4 years ago from Canada

      Bill! I started to read this and thought you sound a bit conflicted. It's like you had a public conversation with yourself. I'm one of the ones that is here primarily for money. I see retirement's gaze staring at me and I would like a bit of spare income in about 5 years or so. $200-$300 a month or so would do. I have 53 hubs in 3 months and 1 week and I'm hitting about $0.60 a day. Every time I write I feel a little conflicted. I keep hearing it will get better. I do enjoy writing but there has to be some light at the end of the tunnel for me. I'll give it some time like you but my long term goal is $10 a day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      wheel, a very interesting comment. Thank you for sharing all of that. I think to make money one must be creative as you are being, and find a way to use HP to our advantage. You evidently are doing that. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, we are dreamers together and there is nothing wrong with dreaming. :) Bless you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Katerina, I do believe you are the first to call me by my given name of William. In some odd way that was very nice. Thank you and obviously I agree with your comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Devisree, that was an interesting comment and thank you for it.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, let me know if you need a loan. LOL Hey, we have great times anyway, right? Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Demi, I believe that is true, and that is one reason why I wrote this hub. You have a clarity that is necessary in this business. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Martin! Good information and I'll check them out, but I do love HP.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, very well stated. Thank you my friend; you are a great member of HP and a valued friend.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Another great hub about making money OR NOT. Hee..I am just happy for a place to write. I guess i would be the dreamer, i love poetry and short stories about life. Cheers My Friend...

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      Katerina Kostaki 4 years ago from Athens-Greece

      William I love your article so much.I am a spiritual author and poetess.

      I am also writing on Love and Light ,my network is a spiritual one and the income is down in the pit . But who cares?I love writing and meeting new people .

      We both write from our heart and that is G-d blessed!

      love and blessings

      Katerina

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      devisree 4 years ago from India

      Hi billybuc

      Your hub is very interesting. Hub pages helps me to handle the language nicely. Appreciating others and being appreciated is a great feeling. Although I am not earning from hub pages I am satisfied with the hub pages community.

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      Dennis Thorgesen 4 years ago from Central United States

      Hub pages helped me with my writing skills. Feedback from other members when we were allowed to email each other helped me a lot. In my case English was the third language I learned. It is also the hardest language. I am still learning.

      My "backwards" sentences helped me rank early. Some of my first hubs are still ranked. As I moved to more business related hubs this dropped off. Luckily I have a way to use them and the hubs of others to make a few cents here and there.

      What I use hub pages for is to let the people who are interested in doing business with me know what makes me who I am. I also use it to train them in aspects of business.

      While I was at it I wrote a few hubs and created a website with pictures to help hubbers. I love being part of this community. On the rare occasions I find time to visit always share what I find here. I am in an internet business yet my only form of residual income comes from hub pages.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      You make a dollar a day?! By my standards, you're making money hand over fist. lol

      Never mind. I joined HP to make money but I stay because the community is so fab.

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      DemiT 4 years ago from Greece

      billybuc thank you for the distinguishing the difference between writing and making money writing! I appreciate your honesty and true approach on this subject. I feel that a lot of people are caught up sometimes in between those two desires!

      Great hub :)

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. Hubpages has a great community, but it not for people trying to make money. Allvoices pays up to $4.00 per 1,000 views. I am now a poet. But a good news writer can make good money there. Plus 5 of my fans were picked for better writing jobs. But Allvoices does have some problems.

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      Writing about one's passions is the way to go. This does mean that certain subjects and niches are not very popular both with readers and advertisers. However doing what one loves is great for personal satisfaction if one is not in it for money.

      Even otherwise it takes time and effort before one can see money rolling in and that so far has not happened with me as well.

      I do love Hubpages and the community here though and this is the reason I'm here.

      Have a nice day, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, I want you to have a great time for both of us. :) I haven't had a vacation in three years and I am way overdo.

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      Sondra Rochelle 4 years ago from USA

      AWWW shucks, Bill! Ya make me feel right good when ya say stuff like that!! I'm in my RV on the tail end of another trip right now...life is very good and people like you only make it better!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Reba, you had me laughing with the "hit the duck right on the quack" line. Too funny! Seriously, I would not be on HubPages if it were not for people like you who continually encourage me and give me support. This is a great venue for that and I will always be grateful.

      Thank you my friend. I hope you have a wildly wonderful week.

      blessings to you as well

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, thank you! Your earnings history sounds like mine. I had almost doubled my daily earnings when the CPM's dropped, and now I'm right back where I was six months ago. LOL Gives new meaning to the words "forward progress." Nevertheless, like you, I love it here and it is solely because of the friends I have met. Thank you for that friendship.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Amy, I'm always a bit surprised when I hear people complain about HubPages, that they aren't making as much money as they think they should. There is no mystery here and we have never been lied to. It's a business and is run as such. Having said that, I love it here because of people like you, and that is said with complete sincerity.

      hugs from Olympia coming your way

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      patchofearth, thank you so much. There is a lot to be said for integrity. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, HubPages delivers all of that and more. I am a proud, card-carrying member and I can't imagine writing anywhere else. Thank you for a great comment and have a wonderful week my friend.

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      Sondra Rochelle 4 years ago from USA

      Billy: as usual, you hit the nail right on the head. As a slow learner it took me quite awhile to figure out what I needed to do to make money here...and now that I'm making a little, HP isn't nearly as much fun as it used to be! The great irony here is that I finally made it past $1 per day and then got hit by Panda. It took forever to recover, and once I did...the CPM's dropped in half! So, I'm dawdling at around 50 cents a day and am not inspired to write as much as before...but, on the other hand, HP has given me a free education and my writing has improved significantly. And as a bonus, I got to meet great people like you...so, in the end, it has all worked out. I'm really glad you wrote this one and only wish it had been available to me when I first started with HP! Great job, Bill...keep up the good work.

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      Dancing Water 4 years ago

      I'm with you, Bill! Hub Pages rocks! I let go of the notion of earning moolah several months ago, but what I found instead was a group of sensitive, caring, intelligent, kind, passionate, compassionate, funny, quirky, truly individualistic, endearing people, and I am thoroughly enjoying the connections and friendships that are forming here! As usual, you hit the duck right on quack. Thank you for sharing so generously of the guy so many of us have come to embrace as a warm, kindred spirit on whom we can count for his exemplary integrity and inimitable spirit.

      As one of the endless members of the Bill Holland Fan Club, thank you, as always, for so generously sharing you with us.

      Blessings,

      Reba

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      Amy Becherer 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      The definition of a 'hub' is a central point of interest, commerce or transportation. That being said, it is no accident that the nature of hubpages is writing that pertains to 'how to', informational, interesting topics that will capture the readership of many and as a result, garner the most cash.

      Nevertheless, I love hubpages for the interesting, intelligent, friendly, supportive crowd that pepper this place in cyberspace. Poetry has become my predominant passion, ironically, through the friends I've made, who have encouraged my new interest. I realize that hubpages is not a poetry site, but I am willing to sit in a small corner to have the benefit of participating, learning and growing the art of poetry with a little help from my family of friends here at the hub. I am rich in the ways that matter.

      Great writing, Bill, that made me think about all the good that hubpages has brought into my life. I started the day with stress, but I'm closing it on an 'up' note. Hugs from St. Louis

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      patchofearth 4 years ago from somewhere in the appalachian foothills

      You go, guy! Who needs to bow to the machine when you have a little integrity?

      P.S. Congrats on your real success.

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      Thelma Alberts 4 years ago from Germany

      Wow! It´s a long way to come at the bottom of this hub. I salute you Bill. You nailed it. As for me, I´m not doing much of keywords and SEO. I just want to have the freedom to write what I want in accordance with the law here in HP. When I joined Hubpages, I thought only of how I can improve my writing and I wanted to know If I really can write. I wanted to have an honest feedbacks and comments not only from my hubby but also from the readers whom I did not know in real life. I love Hubpages, too. Thanks for sharing this well written hub. Have a great day;-)