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A Realistic Look at Earning Money on HubPages

Updated on September 3, 2014

Welcome New Members

Since the merger of Squidoo and HubPages (or buyout if you prefer) there has been a huge influx of new members to HP, and I’m sure they all have questions floating around their brains about this place called HubPages.

To answer those questions, you can certainly go to the HubPages Learning Center. There you will be told what the HubPages management wants you to know.

Or you can listen to me and be told the reality of the situation.

Your choice.

If you are still here, then let me give you my observations about earning potential at HubPages, based on my two years and eight months here. I will try to be as realistic as possible, and I’ll certainly be truthful based on my experience. Those who know me here know I don’t deal in b.s. I tell you these things because I want you to have your eyes wide-open as you begin this writing journey.

HubPages is a business, so obviously they are going to skew their information so that HP basks in a positive light. I, on the other hand, have no hidden agenda. I’m just a writer, like you, and I believe in full disclosure.

So here are my observations about earning money on HubPages.

We all start out with visions of splendor
We all start out with visions of splendor | Source

A Quick Overview

I know writers who have written on HP for several years who have never seen a payout. I also know writers who make hundreds of dollars each month. Most of us fall somewhere in-between. How much we make depends on several important factors. Let’s take a look at those factors now.

Writing Frequency

If you plan on writing one article per month, then settle in for a long, tough haul. Making money on HP requires writing often and following suggested guidelines. I’ll talk about those guidelines in a bit, but right now concentrate on the fact that the more you write, the better your chances are of making money.

Following Hp Guidelines

The Learning Center can tell you everything you need to know to make your articles SEO-friendly, and SEO is the name of the game when talking about online passive income. It is suggested that articles be at least 1,250 words long. It is suggested that keywords be used. It is suggested that high-quality photographs be used, and other capsules like polls, maps, etc. be used. All of these suggestions increase your chances in the SEO game.

Will you definitely make money if you follow all those suggestions? No! But you do improve your odds.

This writer did not follow the guidelines at all, and he made money
This writer did not follow the guidelines at all, and he made money | Source

What to Write

When I first started out, one of the first things I read in the Learning Center was that poetry and essays do not do well at HP. True words my friends. I know exceptional poets who don’t make a dime here. I have managed to make a steady flow of income despite the fact that many of my articles are essays and reflective pieces, but I am the exception to the rule and maybe I just got lucky. If making money is your goal, then stay away from essays and poetry.

So what should you write? “How to” articles are huge, as are recipes, travel articles, “how to make money” articles, and “how to save money” articles. Craft articles do very well. If you think about it this makes sense. Most people do online searches because they are looking for information on how to do something, or how to make something, or ideas for special occasions. Few do searches for poetry about life.

Does Commenting Help You to Make Money?

I believe that indirectly it does. Having said that, though, I know of one writer who never comments on articles written by other writers, and she makes over $500 per month just from her online views and Adsense income.

The reason I believe commenting helps you to make money is because becoming an active part of the community means that more people will share your articles with their friends, thus increasing your views, and thus increasing your chances of making money.

Choose Your Ads Wisely

There’s money in them thar ads, so take some time and choose Amazon products that will attract your readers. Does it really make a difference? Yes, it can, to the tune of hundreds of dollars.

How About Good Grammar?

I would love to tell you, since I am a writing purist and snob, that good grammar is important for online writing, but I have seen no evidence of that fact. It turns my stomach and makes me want to upchuck, but that’s just the truth. I have seen articles chosen as Hubs of the Day that looked like they were written by barely-functional cavemen, and yet they have done well online. Maybe that says something about the general reading public. Maybe not. I don’t know, but I do know there is no direct correlation between good grammar and making money. The SEO game cares little about proper English.

So, If You Do All Those Things, You’ll Make Money, Right?

Not so fast there, Bucko! There are no guarantees. How good are you at catching lightning in a bottle?

Let’s say you do all the things suggested. Then let’s say you start making a little money. You get your first $50 payout, and the next month you make $75, and the next month, $90, and you are on your way to a nice passive income you can count on.

NOT!

Every once in a while, Google changes the rules of the game, and along comes a thing called Panda, and then all hell breaks loose. I’ve had friends leave HP because their earnings went from a couple hundred bucks per month to less than payout. I had it happen to me two months ago. I have been receiving monthly payouts since the second month at HP, and those payouts have increased monthly until I was making some pretty good money….and then….Panda 2 hit, and last month I failed to even make the minimum payout. In other words, two years and seven months of gaining, followed by a month of nothing.

What happened?

It certainly wasn’t anything I did. I didn’t change my writing at all. The same articles that were making me money for over two years suddenly couldn’t attract flies.

So, besides all the other guidelines I mentioned earlier, we also must consider the pure randomness of it all. There are some things that are simply out of your control, and that’s just the way it is here at HP.

I know that before the Squidoo takeover, writers were leaving HP faster than the deckhands left the Titanic, and that kind of mass exodus signals some serious disgust and disappointment in the way HP is operated as a business. Will the problems at HP be rectified? Only time will tell. I see no signs of it happening yet, but hope springs eternal. At one time, HP had regular contests for their writers, with cash prizes, but those have all but disappeared. I guess those contests didn’t fit into the overall plans of the HP management.

Wishing you all happy sunsets at HP
Wishing you all happy sunsets at HP | Source

I’m Sure I Haven’t Answered All Your Questions But….

I at least tried. The bottom line is this: it is possible to make good passive income at HP. It is also possible to flounder in obscurity for years and not see a penny.

I have serious issues with the staff and management of HP. I have no issues at all with the community of writers here, and I want you all to do well. Let’s hope you all get filthy rich here at HP. Let’s also hope that Santa Claus is real.

As always, if I can be of any help to any of you, feel free to reach out and ask.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      So true of what said here and you got my attention right away!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE and Happy Wednesday to you.

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 2 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      Thanks very much. I've done well at Squidoo but of course Panda caused some havoc and I managed to begin to stabilize this year again at Squidoo..until, lol this big switch. Being in a position to directly compare the two platforms regarding earning potential should be a fun ride.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It should be, Barbara, and interesting as well. I hope you write about your comparisons at some point. In the meantime, I'm enjoying your company, so thank you.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, great information as always. I happen to be one of those writers you describe who has never collected a dime off Hub Pages. But then I pretty much quit publishing on Hub Pages after the first Panda attack.

      I still follow many of my friends and comment on what they write but things have really changed. At one time I was a level 8 commenter but now I am a level 6 commenter. Another writer I follow sunk from an 8 to a 5 so I feel lucky to have maintained my 6 status.

      I sometimes notice really slow page loading on some hubs and the little thing at the bottom of the screen declares it is waiting on ad-sense. When the page finally loads I look carefully at the advertising and surprise, the ads are for things I have searched for on google.

      I wish I could let google know that I have already purchased tires for my truck and they are wasting their money sending me these custom ads.

      If one does a google search on something like "How to grow tulips" they will eventually receive a Hub Pages ad for tulip bulbs.

      This is brilliant marketing strategy except for the delay between the original search and the appearance of the first advertisement.

      I am still an avid reader of hub pages but will most likely never be an active writer again. Keeping up with the constant changes is just too time consuming and a pain in the butt.

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      Linda Crist 2 years ago from Central Virginia

      Lay it on the line kindred. I expected nothing less. This should put things in the proper perspective for any newcomer. I wish you would write about the choice of ads. I have failed miserably at that task. After two years and some odd months, I made my third payout this month. Yippee! I can buy coffee again. Want to join me for a cup? Have a blessed day!

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      Bill, truly appreciate you breaking it down for all of us here today and definitely am not here to make millions, but making a few extra dollars here or there is nice not going to lie. But again do appreciate your thoughts on this and also now hoping you are having a wonderful Wednesday now!

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      Kathryn 2 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

      I hope most of the new people within this community see this, because this is as honest and true as it gets!

      Thanks for being a guy that always lets people know what is really going on. You have given wonderful advice.

      Have a great day!

      ~ Kathryn

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, I joined HP in October 2011. I posted pretty regularly, however I didn't make my first payout until December 2013. Now I only post once a month or so but I receive a payment every two months. I know that's not a lot, but it tells me my older articles are still seeing some traffic. In fact, most of it is outside HP. I just checked my account and was surprised to see that I earned some EBay money yesterday from the product review I posted on a Serta mattress topper. That hub receives traffic daily.

      Product reviews do well on HP. I know whenever I'm interested in purchasing something the first thing I do is Google consumer reviews. I steer clear of the reviews written on product sites because chances are, they are paid reviews by people who never even tried the product. But writing and posting honest, first hand product reviews gain traffic and end up earning pennies. As you said, if you have Amazon or EBay products that relate to the article, earnings will increase, provided you've succeeded in having your readers respond to the subliminal call to action.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, I hear you. It is great marketing...and that's all it is. This advertises as a site for writers, but in truth, it's simply a money-making machine for a company. You guys and gals are the only reason I am here.

      Gotta run...thanks so much for sharing your views and opinions. I agree with everything you said my friend.

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      Ally Lewis 2 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      I'm reeeeally new to HP so I don't have any earnings system set up yet, but this was really helpful to know as a heads up. (I'm also a grammar purist, and it blows my mind that people still don't know the difference between "your" and "you're." Incredible.)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pour it for me, Kindred, and I'm there. A little cream would be nice. :)

      I'd write about the ads but I'm clueless. The day the HP staff confides in me is the day we know we are in serious trouble...the sky is falling and that sort of thing. :)

      love my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, I wish the good writers, the ones who care about their craft, could make some decent money here, but that's just not going to happen the way the company is set up.....so all we have are friendships...and that's enough for me. Thank you for yours.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Kathryn! There sure are a lot of new writers here...I hope I clarified things a bit for them.

      Have a fantastic Wednesday my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      That summation is right on, Sha. I just want the newcomers to have a realistic view of what's up here.....after that they are on their own with the decision-making. :) Have a great day and thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ally, the number of people who don't know the difference, or don't care that there is one, is huge and frightening. LOL I'm glad you are here and good luck earning money.

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      We all live in fear of the Panda! Things seem to have improved, I hope things are as they seem.

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      Michelle Liew 2 years ago from Singapore

      Hard truth, but the truth, nonetheless!

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      BarbaraCasey 2 years ago

      billybuc - your message is clear. I'm very glad I found you early on in my HP travels. I'm waiting for 61 pages to transfer from Squidoo... and your article is telling me that I really need to create a fan base of my own, rather than expect the google gods to make the magic for me. Lots to ponder. Many thanks!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brie, things have improved over the last few weeks. I'm almost back to normal earnings again after two months of drought. :) Best wishes to you my friend....and I highlighted you in my blog this morning.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Michelle, and I'll be by to visit your new hub in a second.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, that's a great platform from which to build....yes, a fan base is helpful...writing SEO friendly articles is more helpful. :) Good luck.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      What?! Santa Claus is not real? Oh, bill, you've shattered my childhood illusion. :)

      Sadly, I think you're right about the success of 'sub-standard' writing reflecting the level of the general public's reading. I've tried giving subtle (sometimes!) hints in the comments section of some hubs (only 2 or 3 of those I follow) but it doesn't seem to sink in. Ah, well, not my problem but when subject matter is so good it's a shame the grammar lets them down.

      Great advice to newbies here. Like you, I stay because I love the sense of community and because it helps me develop my writing. Still no income!

      Must go - have to finish a book ready for discussion at book club tonight. It's amazing that I still haven't learnt not to leave things until the last minute!

      Enjoy your day, bill!

      Ann

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      I thought I caught that highlight but I wasn't sure ;)

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      MizBejabbers 2 years ago

      I am glad you’ve done an analysis for those of us who don’t give a damn because that may change when I decide to retire and actually need to make some money. I’ve made a little money, but nothing to brag about. After the merger with Squidoo, I did notice a drop in my score to a level it hadn’t been in over a year. I also noticed, as I’ve mentioned before, some of my hubs being retired at an alarming rate. The last time I checked, HP had retired 50% of my hubs, which doesn’t sit well with me because only about three of them weren’t green. But as you say, essays and poetry don’t do well, but short stories don’t either. Although I love writing short stories, I’ve stopped publishing them. I may have to be like Old Poolman and stop writing hubs altogether because they are a waste of time. I can hang out and comment, I guess.

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      carol stanley 2 years ago from Arizona

      Though I do not write here anymore except on rare occasion. I get a payout every 4 months for not writing. I found the pay out method very frustrating and for me writing was not my first love. As you know I do many other artsy things that I dearly love and get paid for. You said it like it is and there will always be writers who just want to write...

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      You should be making BIG bucks on HP. You encourage and help so many, in fact, you should be a staff member, who else helps writers like you do?

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      Paula Atwell 2 years ago from Cleveland, OH

      I think that your summary is probably true for most writing sites that share revenue and even individual blogs. Some of it is luck, some is timing and the rest is skill. :)

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      Liz Davis 2 years ago from Hudson, FL

      I had forgotten about the contests. I wonder why they stopped running them. It encouraged people to write more and was interesting to see the different submissions. Good advice as usual, Billy.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, you sound like me in college. Always leaving papers and assignments till the last minute. Will we ever learn my friend?

      Nope, no Santa Claus, and I'm quite upset about it. :)

      Enjoy your book club and thank you my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Just wanted you to know, Brie. I respect your writing and wanted to highlight you on my blog so others could discover you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MizB, it always pains me to hear things like that, because you are a good writer, and good writers are not recognized here at HP. We should be encouraging good writing and not chasing it away. I, for one, hope you stay.

      Thank you my friend.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Very candid, Bill. But, of course we have come to expect nothing less from you. I kind of left HubPages because at one time, I just could not figure out what management was doing. I don't like trying to swim in the middle of chaos. So, I stopped writing and went on to do other fun things. But, Bill here is something that solidifies what you mentioned about getting paid here at HubPages. I agree there are no guarantees. As I say this, I say it merely to share my own experience. During the five months that I was not writing or participating here, I still managed to make money on my previously written hubs. I hadn't been checking my email notifications from HubPages, so I wasn't aware that the money was still coming in. One day, I went into my PayPal account to see if I had enough money to make a particular purchase. I discovered I had the amount that I needed and then some. All those months that I wasn't writing, HubPages was still depositing money into my PayPal account. Sweet! I'm back because I learned that if I put in the effort, the rewards are more likely to appear.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I love that you found an outlet for your creativity elsewhere, and I thank you for always coming back here to support me. I do appreciate you very much.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      There are a few of us out there, Ruby, but not many. I wouldn't want to go over to the Dark Side and work with the staff. I like what I'm doing just fine. :) Your hub comes out tomorrow my friend. Thanks for your patience.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Very true, Paula. I wish we could weed out the luck a bit, but that just isn't going to happen. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know either, Lizzy, but I think it's a shame. Thanks my Dunedin Wonder.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, I'm glad you are back, and I'm glad you added at the end that rewards are more likely to appear...not guaranteed, but more likely. We need writers like you here, so I hope you stick around awhile my friend.

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      Eugene Samuel Monaco 2 years ago from Lakewood New York

      Bill, Thanks for being true and honest, I've been on Squidoo for over a year and was just starting to earn a little. But now it's wait and see, still waiting for the transfer. I have 3 hubs now and some more in process. I've become fond of the writing and creating something, so the income is secondary, but nice to have. Thanks Again :)

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      Thanks Bill, I actually broke a record yesterday of 4000 views in one day. My new goal is 10,000. I'm hoping to reach that by the end of the year. But, who knows...like you said that random Panda slap is what I dread.

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      You have given the truth to our new members at HP. From the forums,

      it sounded really upsetting as the good people at Squidoo were trying to

      understand how to do well at HP.

      So glad that you wrote this to help give a clear view of the operational

      practices here at HP. The end understanding is that there seems to be much confusion, as always.

      You did a good thing here, Bill.

      Have a super rest of the week!

      DJ.

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      Susan Deppner 2 years ago from Arkansas USA

      Paula said it well in her comment above. I've had some excellent success on Squidoo and then there have been the down times. Such is life online, I suppose. I appreciate your insights.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, why don't you start a website for writers? I mean a website that really cares about quality writing? You could be the head guru and even help other writers improve their talents.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      The best review I have ever seen regarding HP and making money. Too bad because I think more revenue sharing would not be hard on HP bottom line. Techies and bean counters seldom work out compromises very well.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Billy,

      This is definitely not a place to grow rich and retire. The past two months have been the worst with plummeting hub and profile scores and not a lot much money either. I can just about count on getting a payout every three months but converted from dollars to pounds it really is silly money. I do wonder why all of us work so hard for so little. Old Poolman said it, any thoughts on becoming our Head Guru!

      Sally

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, you could make it a monthly subscription service to cover expenses and I would be your first paid customer.

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      Wednesday-Elf 2 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      Hi Bill - I wanted to thank you for your warm welcome when I first signed up with HubPages. I'm one of those former 'Squids' waiting to join you all over here. I never made much money in 5 years on Squidoo, but didn't write as often as others and didn't do very many 'buy me, buy me' type of pages (which just aren't my style). Like buying a lottery ticket and winning $5, I'm thrilled with even a little bit...LOL. Don't get me wrong; I'd love to 'earn' a lot, but I'm writing online not for monetary reasons as much as enjoying being a 'published' writer. And if something I write helps someone, or brings a smile or a chuckle, or finds a kindred soul who can relate to something I said, then I'm happy. I get even more enjoyment out of reading others' well-written pages and being part of a friendly online community.

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      Charlie Claywell 2 years ago

      Very good article. I think part of the problem new writers face is knowing what to write -- and if they are writing for money, "How To's" tend to work best.

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      Joyce T. Mann 2 years ago from Bucks County, Pennsylvania USA

      Thank you. I wrote my first hub ever last week , mostly to tell a story that was bursting inside me and I just had to get on paper. I had a mere 13 lenses (articles) at Squidoo; I joined Hubpages mostly to see my efforts not go up in smoke. I believe 100% in what you say , except that thing about Santa Claus! I hold a M.A in journalism, but upon joining eHow in 2009 I soon realized that grammar, spelling and the ability to craft a story made little, if any, difference in earning passive income online. Frankly if I make the $50 payout even once I'll be shocked.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      esmonaco, welcome to our little site. I hope you enjoy it here as much as I have. Thank you for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brie, 4000 is a good day in my opinion. I've had 10,00 before in a day, but it is rare...but then my kind of writing doesn't translate to huge numbers.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, confusion is the name of the game here at HP, and there are times I think that's the way they want it. Keep us confused so we have no clue what's going on. LOL Well, they succeeded.

      Thanks my friend and have a super duper day.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Susan, you said it all..such is life online. Thanks for the visit and welcome to HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, you're going to kill me off. I'm still trying to figure out how to do the webinar thing you suggested, and now you want me to start a site??? I'm getting old, buddy. How much energy do you think I have? LOL Thanks for your faith in me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I have never understood why they don't increase the revenue sharing...sure it would hurt their bottom line short-term, but long-term they would gain writers...but what the hell do I know, right?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, the last two months were hard on many of us, but they seem to be getting better the last couple weeks. As for your question...this is just part of my overall writing platform. I was never here to make money. For those who are here to make money, I echo your question....why????

      Thank you my friend and no, no chance of me being Head Guru. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, your faith in me is overwhelming and flattering. I know nothing about this techie stuff. I wouldn't have any idea how to start, not to mention the fact that I am running out of time each day not finishing what I already do. :) I don't know how I could do it, buddy, but thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wednesday Elf, you'll do fine here if that's what you want out of this site. I think it's a great community. I wish those who need money could make more here, but I also wish I would win the lottery, and that ain't going to happen. :) Anyway, I'm glad you are here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      They do for sure, Charlie. I'm not that kind of writer, but I know for a fact that "how to" score well. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joyce, thank you for sharing your experience. There is money to be made here. I really believe that. I'm just not that interested in compromising the kind of writer I am to make that money. Welcome to HP.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      More honesty from you, Bill. I'm sure the newcomers would find this helpful. Interested in that writer who does not comment!

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      That's right; exactly the same at school and college. My excuse was I always wrote my best when under pressure - usually true!! Keeps the mind on its toes - what an image!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Dora. Honesty is part of my name, and my name should stand for something, right?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mind on its toes...Ann, you should consider writing. LOL I believe we call that a mixed metaphor. :)

      bill

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill - I hate to say this but those are pretty lame excuses. Teckie types sell their time just like most of us do. With a subscription service the bucks would be there for both the infastructure and the Tech help.

      If even half of your loyal followers were to sign up for the service this would fly. As far as your personal time goes perhaps this could replace at least some of those things you now have to do?

      Just think about it my friend, you could make a great contribution to the world of writing with your knowledge and ability.

      Time is of the essence because one day in the not to distant future we are going to run out of people who know how to read and write.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, I love your first sentence....those are pretty lame excuses. I was laughing out loud my friend. I used to tell my students the same thing.

      I will think about it. :)

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Why do my comments keep disappearing??

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      Melissa Propp 2 years ago from Minnesota

      Well that sounded like a very fair and impartial summary of HP...Thanks for telling it like it is! On a personal note, hope you had a wonderful Labor Day weekend!

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Lady Guinevere my last two comments also disappeared. Perhaps the Hub Pages Police got us?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No idea, Debra. The HP gremlins are hard at work once again.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Melissa and I did have a nice weekend. I hope you did the same.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, that's as good an explanation as any. :)

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      Bradrick H. 2 years ago from Texas

      Great hub sir. I can definitely appreciate your honesty in regards to how realistic it is to make money here on Hubpages. I've been here a little over two years, so I'm somewhat familiar with how things work from an earnings perspective. It's great that you've written this detailed article for the newcomers. I definitely enjoyed reading this, and I'm sure they will as well. Great job!

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, please do think about it. Lots of opportunity and benefits for you and for us with this idea.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, I will...I promise.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you prospectboy. I think it's important the newcomers know the facts as they embark on this journey, and I tried to be as forthright as possible.

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      William Leverne Smith 2 years ago from Hollister, MO

      Thanks for the update. About as I expected. Thanks for sharing, as always. We do depend on you for the straight truth, from your distinctive position. ;-)

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      Karen Hellier 2 years ago from Georgia

      What, you mean Santa Claus may not be real? Bill, don't burst my bubble! I will always believe in Santa Claus and HubPages, but you have written some good stuff here so that people don't get their hopes up too high. That said, I do earn money here every month, and I do love the HubPages community. I am just not getting, "filthy rich" from it, and that's okay.

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      Billy.. I couldn't written it better.. even if I tried and retried... this was some food for thought even for long-timers.. I am like the band aboard the titantic.. no wait,, I did jump ship when I was using Triond.. nonetheless..bravo for the realistic look at earnings..period :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Bill. I'll try to never let you down.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ah, heck, Karen, being filthy rich is probably greatly overblown anyway. LOL Thanks for stopping by and I hope you are well.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frank, keep playing your tune despite the lack of rewards here....becoming a better writer is a reward in itself, right?

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      Rachael O'Halloran 2 years ago from United States

      I think even if one is on this site 24/7, writing for no others, there is still no guarantee of payout. I've been here 6 months writing on this account, writing what are considered quality articles, and still have not even come close to getting paid. And the magic number of $50 is so far away after 6 months, I don't even look for it anymore. Google's $100 for payout is a pipe dream.

      Sure, my topics are diversified, my articles are engaging, they get lots of views, but don't even come to $5 total per month. Google Analytics and Adsense totally befuddle me. The CPM and other $$$ columns show Zip.

      Now with Amazon not having any prices on the items, I can't say - Oooh, look what a bargain this item is at such and such a price! Because the price is only known to those who click after they click. And that's a Bummer with a capital B. They took the advertising out of the advertising by removing the prices.

      It's a damn good thing I like all of you guys, or I'd be jumping ship by now. :)

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      The key to happiness for me is to write for the love of it and not for the money. Frankly, after all these years I still can't get the drift of the program. I guess I have no motivation!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rachael, I don't have a clue. When I first started out, I completely ignore the advice not to write essays and political pieces...and I made payout the second month and have made it each month since...there is absolutely no logic behind the process, and I don't blame you for being somewhat frustrated. I'm sure glad you are here, though.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Breakfastpop, it's not lack of motivation...it's that you have common sense. :)

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      Marcelle Bell 2 years ago

      Great advice! I'm pretty new at all this so this article was very helpful for me too.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, My Bell. Thanks for the visit and welcome to HP.

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      MartieG aka 'survivoryea' 2 years ago from Jersey Shore

      I'm busy reading all the helpful Hubs I can find since the move from Squidoo - love to write but my earnings there made writing very sweet. Thanks for the tips which will help many of us during the settling in process.

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      Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      Okay, maybe I'm spoiled... I was used to getting paid well by Squidoo. But now, I'll be working much harder to try to replace that income here at HubPages. I thank you for the heads-up and let's just hope things get better for everyone on this site.

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      Elizabeth Parker 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Great hub here, Bill. I've been here over a year and haven't received a payout. At first, I wrote every day- sometimes even twice per day! But then as I noticed my earnings hadn't increased, I've slowed down, now only writing hubs when I get a chance. I do love the community and have learned a great deal, so that keeps me coming back and who knows, I might spend more time on here again...But, not for the money. Thanks for this honest post!

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      Hi Bill,

      Your article surely made me laugh, especially at the end. Tell it as it is Bro. Be brave, be cheerful, careful perhaps? Who knows?

      Interesting observation on the way things work here. Have a great evening.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I hope so, Martie. Best wishes, and if you ever have questions, feel free to ask me. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I hope things improve as well. Who know? Miracles happen, right? I can tell you that I do know writers here who make very good supplemental income, so it is possible. Thanks and welcome to HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liz, that is actually a shame, because you did everything right. You had a niche, your articles were well-written and informative...and for whatever reason, nothing! It's not right, but I'm sure glad you still come back to visit. Thank you for that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Manatita. If I made you laugh then my job is done.

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      Nancy Carol Brown Hardin 2 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      billybuc, I'm one of the writers moving over from Squidoo, and I thank you for your straightforward views on earning at HP. If a writer is writing to get rich, chances are it won't happen. Writers write because it's what they do. Choosing WHERE to write is where we tend to go wrong. I was on Squidoo for almost 5 years. It was only in the last two years that I actually earned enough to do more than buy a gallon of gas. As the old saying goes, "Once you learn how to play the game, they change the rules." That's kind of what happened after Panda started looming over our days. And now, here I am at HP, I still love what I do, and I've decided to go with the flow to HP and see how it works out. At the same time, I'm planning on developing my blog and putting some of my articles on it. Maybe I'll write some books...who knows? Life's a big adventure after all, and I'm glad to be part of it. Thanks for sharing this article!

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      Thanks billy, this is one of my personal favorites. Keep on writing~

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, I love your attitude. I really don't concern myself with money here. I'm just here to be a part of a writing community. Panda has taken a chunk out of my earnings, but after about two months things go back to normal. Oh well. I'll just keep on writing. Thank you and welcome.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DealForALiving...that is a kind thing for you to say.

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      Efficient Admin 2 years ago from Charlotte, NC

      Billy, once again I love how you get to the point and keep it real. Your writing style is easy to read without a lot of unnecessary words, and the hilarious puns thrown in there make it interesting. Thank you for sharing your experience on Hubpages, it is helpful. Voted up and across.

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      Mothers of Nations 2 years ago

      I'm not from Squidoo but I was interested in reading this article anyway lol Great information. Very interesting. I wonder if the whole panda thing was intentionally set up to keep money in the pockets of these major businesses and so less into the writers hands. Who knows...

      I love the HP community! There are tons of wonderful writers and kindhearted people always ready to help in one way or another.

      I would love to have some kind of supplement to my income. I'll go where the Lord takes me and right now this is it, so I'll sit patiently and keep writing because it's what I love to do. I'm grateful to share the word of God wherever He wants me to :)

      God bless you, Billybuc, and again this is a great article!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Efficient, thank you for the kind words. Can you see me in a classroom? This was the style that eighteen years of students had to endure. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mothersofnations, thank you and God bless you as well. That's why I'm here, because I love the community. I'd starve on the money they pay....as for panda being intentional...it certainly wouldn't surprise me. :)

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      Kathryn Grace 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this article, Billy. HubPages sounds like Squidoo in so many ways. After all the talk about Squid articles bringing down the high quality of HubPages, I'm disappointed to see you say that HP promotes pages with poor grammar and spelling, since those are the bottom line for decent writing, in my opinion. Not that we don't all miss typos and errors now and then, no matter how many times we proofread, but that I had hoped HP did not promote those articles to Hub of the Day as Squidoo did so frequently.

      It will be interesting to see what comes of this move, that's for sure.

      Thanks again for sharing your experience here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi ecogranny! I do love this place, but there are times I wonder what kind of funny cigarette the staff is smoking. Hubs of the Day should be exceptional and not examples of poor grammar. Otherwise, what does that say about the site? Enough of my preaching...thank you for stopping by.

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      Jim 2 years ago from Kansas

      Thanks for your honesty. Much appreciated. Was wondered how I would do here, since I only had one hub featured, until recently.

      I saw a glimmer of hope though, when I saw that barely-functional cavemen writers can occasionally get HOTD.

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      Donna Cook 2 years ago

      Thanks for a realistic view of the income potential on HP! As a Squidoo refugee, it's helpful to know what can happen.

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      Genna East 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      Excellent article, Bill. I was especially taken with the importance of good grammar. This is an art and skill I continue to work at when I write; I literally cringe when I catch a typo, too late. It is like a scar that makes me want to hide somewhere. But given my mistakes, I still see far more others in published pieces and think, “Is this the new norm?” Voted up, shared, and more.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paw, there is definitely a glimmer of hope for you, although I suspect good grammar might count against you. LOL Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad you found it helpful, Donna. Thanks for stopping by my humble abode.

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      Audrey Howitt 2 years ago from California

      I knew I should have chosen something other than poetry! Meh

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know, Genna, but if it is the new norm, I want none of it. Heck, we all make typos from time to time, but bad grammar doesn't happen by accident. Enough of my preaching...thank you as always.

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      Robert Sacchi 2 years ago

      I wrote for Yahoo! Voices until it shut down. Are there any signs HubPages will soon share a similar fate?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Audrey, there are a lot of us who are grateful that you didn't. Keep spreading beauty in this world, please.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Robert, I would have bet money HP was going to shut down three months ago. We were losing a ton of writers....then the takeover, and their fortunes seem to have improved.

      Thanks for stopping by.

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      Nithya Venkat 2 years ago from Dubai

      A very helpful hub, an honest picture of what is going on and I do hope Santa Claus is real!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I do too, Vellur. LOL We can always hope.

      Thank you my friend.

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      Michael-Milec 2 years ago

      Awesome article, Sir.

      Apparently to my realization not all are privileged to continue.

      Blessings as much as you can carry, my friend.

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      Kathleen Odenthal Romano 2 years ago from Bayonne, New Jersey

      Wise words from someone who knows what he is talking about! Thank you for this refresher and some new information I didn't know before. Voted up and shared!

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      Elizabeth 2 years ago from Central Illinois

      It is refreshing that my first Hub I read is from someone being open and honest. I am (^apparently) brand new to this game, but I think I am here just to see what I can make of it for myself. That is if anything at all. Just from seeing a job posting on careerbuilder.com while searching for someone else piqued my interest. So thank you or your honesty! It truly has given me insight!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sloan, I'm glad I could help you out. Good luck if you try it here, and thanks for stopping by with a comment.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Kathleen. Thanks for the visit.

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      nanderson500 2 years ago from Seattle, WA

      A great, honest article. That's amazing that some people can make hundreds of dollars a month here. You mentioned recipe articles as doing well, which gives me some hope since I recently wrote my first one. I've been here a little over two years and had two payouts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I don't know what the heck happened to your comment, but it took awhile for it to show and I just saw it. Sorry about that. I can't think of anything to add to your comment. Seems like you have a pretty realistic viewpoint.

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      Jean DAndrea 2 years ago from Victoria, Australia

      Hi billybuc, As another newbie, transferring over from Squidoo, it was refreshing to read your article with honest views on HP. We've been hoping that the move would improve income, but we can't take anything for granted, that's for sure. It's only been in the last 18 months that I've made anything from Squidoo, and now they're gone! Hopefully, I'll be a little luckier here! :-) Thanks for your insights.

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Wonderful straight-forward truths you have shared here, dear Bill. I know all the newbies will surely reap the benefits of your insight and experience as to making money on HP.

      Money, what money? LOL

      Blessings always

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      Randall Jonas 2 years ago from Canada

      I guess this article is a good example of how to get views. People from HP will read it. Sadly it forces you to write things to a community of people who all want to make money. It will not be read buy people outside of HP pretty much. And it also exemplifies how HP forces us to generate content about writing content. I guess they fail somehow at helping writers market there stuff so it gets viewed online by people outside of HP? I have no clue. Thanks for this information. I appreciate it. I am new and have no idea what I am doing!

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      Suzanl 2 years ago

      I enjoyed reading your article. It was quite informative. Like most people, I would like to make some extra income; however, I do not believe I will get rich. On the other hand, Hub Pages has allowed me to improve my writing skills.

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      Naveed Ahmed 2 years ago from Pakistan

      Maybe something new for newbies, but being a somewhat middle aged blogger I didn't find any particular strategy in this article to adopt and be successful at Hubpages. At one point, the article nearly drowns all yours dreams about making money online. However, it's a very good write up helpful for many newbies. Thanks to it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, blessings to you and you're always. Thank you for always showing support to this old writer.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nanderson, more power to you, sir, for sticking it out for two years and only two payouts. Great job by you and I really mean that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Snakesmum, welcome to HP, and I hope that you are correct, that this merger will mean more money for the writers. I have my doubts, but I can always hope for free. :) Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I know, right? Faith, we write because we love to write. If we get a payout then that's a great bonus. My bonus? People like you.

      blessings and a hug this Thursday morning.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Randall, if you get to know me, you'll know I couldn't care less about views. I'm an old-fashioned writer who only tries to improve his craft. Having said that, I thought this might help newcomers understand this site a bit. If I accomplished that, then great. Welcome to HP. I hope you like the site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      There you go Suzani, and that is always a good thing in my opinion. Hopefully you'll also see some money along the way. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Naveed. Better to have a realistic view than a pie-in-the-sky view that will never happen. Strategies? There are at least six sections telling you what you need to do here at HP to have a chance at making money. That's it. There are no strategies. Write SEO articles and write them often.

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      Randall Jonas 2 years ago from Canada

      Yes it has helped me very much. And my comment is simply pointing out that Hub Page articles that are about Hub Page money making do well. I am reading it! I am thankful for it too. My apologies if it seems like anything else. In essence HP has a group of people who use it obviously thinking that perhaps in a year or two something financial might come of it. And so we have our community making money from our community but that percentage of people is very small. That is all I am saying and nothing more. Thanks again.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for the clarification, Randall. I shouldn't read comments first thing in the morning before I wake up. LOL I have some major issues with HP, as many people know, but I do love the community of writers, some of whom are very good friends.

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      Randall Jonas 2 years ago from Canada

      Hey no problem! I am the same. So sorry if it seemed like a jibe. I am actually put off already! lmao

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL..thanks Randall!

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      Teenage Werewolf 2 years ago

      Thanks for the Real Talk. Just joined up and I love your work!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Teenage Werewolf...welcome to HP and I love your profile name.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      These candid articles are so helpful for me. They help me properly set my expectations and diversify my portfolio as it were by expanding my writing platforms (blog site is next), then finish my book. I'd be thrilled if I could just pay the water bill with HP income.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Iris, keep writing and it will happen. I keep trying to tell other writes that this is a marathon and not a short sprint. It takes time to build a platform and become known in this business. Keep at it and good things will happen.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      I never expected to make a serious amount of money, but hoped the audience to increase how far I can spread the word. Thanks for sharing, Bill!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, I think your plan is sound. Story-writers will never make big money on sites like this, but there is great value in building your platform.

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      You always tell it like it is Bill. Thankfully I'm not here for just the money. Like you I have over two and half years here at HP and I have reached the point where I get paid pretty much every month. But, I have lived through the Panda and Penguin and whatever's that Google has thrown at us and march on.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Everything that you have said is right on. As long as I can find people to share my message to make this earth turn on its axis and help the inhabitants have a better way of life, I will prevail. Everything comes in due time, but we must work for what we truly want, and I am just turning the first corner of life.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      March on for sure, Bill. That's what writers do, and you, my friend, are a true writer. Thank you and have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, I feel the same way. I'm just warming up. The world ain't seen nothing yet from me, but they will. Thanks my determined friend.

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      Steve Mitchell 2 years ago from Cambridgeshire

      HubPagers and Squids alike will benefit from this no BS article. Thanks BB

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you poshcoffeeco...that's the plan and the hope.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Great job here, Billy. It rang true to me. It took me a year to reach my first pay-out, and while I enjoy writing Hubs, enjoy the community, and enjoy a passive income from it I have no delusions about becoming rich off it. I think you get out of it what you put into it, but I think mega-success is a combination of work and luck. I hope to see HP overall thrive.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wiccan, I totally agree. I think success in this field has a great deal to do with luck. Having your work seen by just the right person at the right time. Let's hope we both experience that soon. Thanks for the visit my friend.

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      Tuesday Thomson 2 years ago from McKinney, Texas

      Thanks so much for this hub. I, too, am here for the community aspect. I view HP as a place to publish for other writers. I write for so many other clients, that drive me crazy, but that's the job. I'm not looking to get rich on this one, or even pay my bills. I'm looking to publish for the community support. Sometimes, I just get sick of writing for bots, and not actual humans.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tuesday, I hear you. I really do. I'm hopefully going to reach the point soon where I don't have to write for customers, and then I think I'll throw a party. :) Thank you and welcome.

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      Laddi Singh 2 years ago from (Punjab) India

      Thanks for sharing these great tips on making money with us. You've discussed so many suggestions of making money with Hubpages in detail and told us about bringing the necessary changes into the Hubs. I am very thankful to you for your valuable information.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jasdeep, you are very welcome my friend. Thank you for your kind words.

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      caseymel 2 years ago from Indiana

      Great article and such true words! I also went through a time when I was making OK money and then Panda came through and I started receiving about a tenth of what I was making before.

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      Tamara Kajari 2 years ago from Zagreb, Croatia, Europe

      Yeap! Truth is often not all pink and shiny and I am so happy to have found this hub Bill. I have this impression that many newcomers think that HP is going to be a much better place from any point of view while I think we should all know just how uncertain making money by writing online has become. There were few "guardians" of the community back on Squidoo as well and some of them help people here too. It is more than nice of you to remind us about the whole picture. I guess the learning part just never ends :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Caseymel, it is frustrating at best, but if we are trying to improve our craft, then this is still a good site. Let's hope those earnings start rising soon. Thank you for being here

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Tamara! Good of you to stop by. Just the truth...might as well start out here knowing what's in store for you. Thank you for the visit and have a wonderful day in Croatia.

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      Natasha Pelati 2 years ago from South Africa

      Thank you for the interesting input on the Hubpages. I have been getting furstrated but I also have not thought about this as a full time job, which would help if you are continuously on the internet. The more time you spend, the more you make. Sadly it is frustrating when you are up one month and the following you are down but love for writing is what keeps us here!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tasha, it can be frustrating...very frustrating...at least the money part of it. That's why I make my money elsewhere and just use HP for my enjoyment. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Just called back Bill. In regard to Tuesday's comment. I expressed those same sentiments about writing for my peers and my self-improvement rather than money here on Hub Pages and was told in no uncertain terms that was "rubbish" and I should take my writing elsewhere. There are a couple of "self-appointed gurus" in the forums who are very knowledgeable about technical aspects of Hub Pages but absolutely no people skills.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I wish I could say it surprises me, but it doesn't. I refuse to go near those forums. A couple bad apples always ruin it for everyone else. I'm damned glad you are here my friend.

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      Audrey Selig 2 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

      Hi Billy. I never knew a more honest person than you. No fluff , no pretense. just down to earth with love for others is our Bill. This article helps writers to know what to expect in the reality of this site. What more can you ever do? You stand apart with your award for what you do. Blessings, Audrey.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, you are so sweet. Thank you! I need to follow you better. There is another HP write who has a profile name almost exactly like yours, and it confuses me sometimes when they write and I think it is you, and vice versa. Anyway, I'll do better, I promise.

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      Lynne Schroeder 2 years ago from Blue Mountains Australia

      this was an eye opening article, thank you

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Ell-Dee-Esse...thank you!

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      crissalina 2 years ago

      this is very helpful! i found answers to some questions i had in my mind.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad it helped, crissalina. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Gloria Freeman 2 years ago from Alabama USA

      Hi there my friend, thanks for sharing this information with us. I made a little money on squidoo, not so sure how I will make out here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      flinnie Im, glad you stopped by. It takes some time to earn, but it is possible. Keep writing and good things might happen.

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      muhammad abdullah javed 2 years ago

      A very realistic and guiding hub, hope it will be of use to the newcomers as it is for us. Thank you, Sir!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      That is my hope, m abdullah javed...thank you my friend.

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      David B Katague 2 years ago from Northern California and the Philippines

      A perfect hub for newbies here in HP. I enjoy the candidness and the realism of this hub. More Power to You, billybuc!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you chateaudumer, and good luck here at HP.

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      Thomas Bensen 2 years ago from Round Lake Park

      Thanks for the tips hopefully I can make a little coin here but mostly looking to enjoy my time here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      bensen, you are very welcome. I hope you find what you are looking for here.

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      Linda 2 years ago from Plumsted Township, NJ

      I just got done reading this hub, and I am still giggling to myself. Billy, this is wonderful! I have been so busy working my regular job that I had no idea that Squidoo and HubPages were together now. But, this article has given me quite a bit to think about. I have to make a move and get things going, either here or elsewhere. I just need to decide what to do next.

      Voted up, funny, awesome, interesting, and useful!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      laidbacklady, welcome back and thank you. Working a regular job would see to me to complicate matters considerably. Best wishes as you sort it all out, and thank you for the visit.

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      Linda 2 years ago from Plumsted Township, NJ

      I'll be trying to visit everyone more often as the days pass. Not sure exactly what I am looking for, but I know I'll find it! Keep writing!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I will, lady, and good luck with that search. :)

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      Anna Haven 2 years ago from Scotland

      Evening Bill and apologises for the delay in reading. I was helping to find Scotland's independence. (Sadly lost this time, but tomorrow will always bring a new dawn) and generally living life in a time starved manner.

      Very helpful article. I write a bit of everything here ( sometimes!) and the poetry and fiction are very sadly like a short lived summit on Hubpages. The score initially hits high but then plummets like a Dodo. Wise words to new friends.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, good to see you my friend. I have to admit, I was shocked that Scotland did not vote for independence. Shows you how much I know about world affairs. :) Well, I'm glad you are here. No, poetry and fiction do poorly here for sure...oh well. I knew that when I joined, and I keep writing because I love it.

      Happy weekend to you my friend.

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      Anna Haven 2 years ago from Scotland

      Not as shocked as the 1.6 million YES voters, but next time. You have a good weekend too Bill. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Anna!

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      Lana ZK 2 years ago from California

      I'm more on the obscurity side of HP. I've pretty much given up on the idea of making money here. I know I don't have that many hubs but going from 30 to 50 hubs should have made a difference in my daily earnings stats, but it didn't. Not exactly a great motivator.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kalinin, not a great motivator at all...but....it's all part of the journey of a writer. Like many musicians, there are times when we have to play to an empty house and just be satisfied with practicing our craft. You are a good writer and you need to believe that always.

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      Lana ZK 2 years ago from California

      Thank you for your kind words. You're right, I just have to be satisfied with practicing my craft here. I guess I'll be playing to an empty room for a while :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kalinin, try following some of the people who comment on my hubs. I have some regulars who are very loyal. Get to know them and they will do the same.

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      Lana ZK 2 years ago from California

      Thank you, I appreciate the advice.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Kalinin. If I can be of any other help, just ask.

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