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A Reality Check About HubPages

Updated on August 20, 2014

Two Years and Eight Months at HP

Two years and eight month at HubPages! That and four bucks will get you a good mocha from your favorite barista.

Seriously!

When I was thinking about writing this article (I refuse to call them Hubs), I was going to write it for the newbies who seem to be greatly confused about this site. The more I thought about it, though, I realized there are a great many writers here at HP who are veterans and are also confused. So this is for anyone who feels like reading it.

Before I continue, let me state without reservation that I love HubPages, and the reason for that love is the community of writers. I doubt I would be writing today if it were not for the wonderful writers who embraced me early and gave me support and encouragement. I certainly would not be here today because of the HP staff. I’m sure they are all nice people, but I find them lacking a bit in the encouragement department.

So let’s begin. I’m going to give you some thoughts on random subjects, and hopefully some of it will be helpful to you.

Your average HP reader
Your average HP reader | Source

Understanding the Site Called Hubpages

HubPages is an online community of writers run by online marketing experts. I doubt, seriously, that the staff knows any more about writing than the average writer on HP, but they do know how to market their site. They do know how to turn a profit through that marketing, and they do know how the internet, and in particular Google, works.

HP makes its money from advertising. The more views your articles gather, the more money HP makes. Quality writing does not really enter into this discussion, folks. HP is concerned only with whether your article is written in such a way that it will do well on the search engines. Do not confuse good writing with good search engine results. They are not always the same. You could write a short story that rivals in every way the best writing of Steinbeck or Hemingway, and there is a very real possibility that it would bomb on HubPages. That’s just the reality of the system. Live with it or move to another site. Your choice.

The value of Hub scores
The value of Hub scores | Source

Hub Scores and Hubber Scores

As my dad used to say, what a bunch of malarkey!

I’m sure there are some, out there, who understand this ridiculous scoring system. I’m also sure there are those who grasp the significance of it all. I do not.

I admit to being slightly amused by those who take this so seriously. Let me be as clear as possible on this point: your Hub scores and your Hubber scores have absolutely nothing to do with your abilities as a writer. Writers like e.e. cummings would probably have a negative Hubber score on HP. Shakespeare might score in the 70s. Harper Lee? No chance…give that woman a 50 and send her on her way.

Quit taking your scores so seriously, folks. They mean nothing. I can picture the HP staff sitting in their offices throwing darts at a dart board for each HP writer. Whatever number they hit with the dart is that writer’s Hubber score.

Concentrate on being a better writer. At least then you will have some control over the outcome.

FEATURED HUBS

I have no idea. Plain and simple truth. A featured Hub meets some criteria, and those criteria make the Hub gods and the Google gods happy. Beyond that I see no importance in them at all.

HUB OF THE DAY

Again, I have no idea. I have seen some HOTDs that had grammar errors throughout, and appeared to be written by a fifth grader on crack, and yet they won the award. Your guess is as good as mine.

Making Money on Hp

Good luck!

No, seriously, it is possible. The more views, the more money made, and the more ads on your Hubs that are clicked, the more money made. It is possible to make hundreds each month. It is also possible to write for a year and never see a payout.

It is also possible to have a thing called Panda stroll through the building and wipe away all of your hard work. In the past two months I have seen my earnings drop by 64%. I have changed nothing in the way I write, and happily I can report I don’t care too much about HP earnings, but still, it makes you wonder.

Good luck!

Now that HP has taken over Squidoo, I’m sure we’ll see our incomes increase dramatically.

Good luck!

Favorite Hp Topics

If you are serious about making money on HP, then play their game. Write “how to” articles. Write recipes. Write travel articles and DIY articles and make sure you toss in a craft article or fifty. HP and the Google gods love those types of articles. The reading online public loves those articles. We live in an age where education is scoffed at because everything you could ever want to know about life can be found online in articles, so write those articles and you, too, can become the Golden Boy, or Girl, of HP.

How to Get Followers and Comments?

This is a no-brainer. If you want other writers to follow you and comment, then you need to do the same. Period!

I am amused, almost daily, by some new writer who follows me. I go to their profile page and it reads something like this:

Started: four days ago

Hubs written: 1

Followers: 2

Following: 2.030.

If you are new to HubPages, stop doing this. It is a complete waste of time. Following hundreds of Hubbers, when you first start out, simply labels you as insincere and a dufus. You gain no brownie points by doing so. You do not become teacher’s pet by doing so. You simply look foolish.

FORUMS

If you like controversy, and you don’t get enough rudeness in real life, then hang out in the forums for an afternoon.

Just a little humor. There are some great topics in the forums, and there are some serious-minded people with wonderful viewpoints there.

There are also some rude people there, people who have nothing better to do than practice name-calling. They are the schoolyard bullies who grew up. They are small in number but they are strong in mouth. If you enjoy that kind of banter then, by all means, rush to the forums.

THE BEST PART OF HUBPAGES?

This one is easy, and if you haven’t discovered it yet, then get with it.

The best part of HubPages is the community of writers. They are exceptional. There are some quality writers here, writers who take their craft seriously and who want to improve. There are writers who will support you and give you daily encouragement, and there are writers who will become valued friends. HP is a goldmine in this department. If you are not taking advantage of this free online love then you are really missing out.

A satisfied HP writer
A satisfied HP writer | Source

There’s More but I Don’t Feel like Continuing

Much to the chagrin of the HP staff, I plan on staying here at HubPages. I love my online friends, and I know they feel the same about me.

When I first started out as a freelance writer, HP was part of my platform. It was a stepping stone to bigger things. Now, though, it is an important part of my life, and I can’t imagine leaving. I sense I’ll have to cut back on my participation soon because novel-writing is calling me, but I’ll be here as long as HP survives the online battle. I hope that is a very long time.

Oh, before I go, I want to answer a question someone asked me. "What is my biggest disappointment on HubPages?

The answer is a simple one. HubPages could be so much more than they are. I hope they come to realize that at some point.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      Bill, I have a special place in my heart for Hubpages as this where (as you know), I started my journey writing online like you over 2 years ago. That said, even though I branched off, I still come back and visit daily and do still write here form time to time, too, because like you put it so perfectly it is the community of writers that exist here, including you that I do so very much come back for now. Thanks always and have a wonderful hump day now!

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      Mary Craig 2 years ago from New York

      Voted up, useful, awesome, interesting and shared. Why? Because you are so right my friend. We have been so fortunate to meet so many wonderful people and learn many things from each other.

      Regardless of which way my writing goes I will always stay on HP because I would miss my friends so much if I didn't. You can learn and pick up hints from so many talented writers (yes, you are one of them) but the rest of the game here is best left to those who play.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, what is remarkable about you, is that you don't write here except rarely, and yet you loyally follow people like me. I am so very grateful to you for that...thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mary and I hope you are having a good day with your health. You said it all my friend. I have nothing to add.

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      Peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina

      Great article Bill! I often see people on the Q and A section asking how to get their hubber score up or how to get approved by Google adsense, and when I go to their profile they've been here all of two days. The reality as I see it here is just focus on writing good articles that google will like and slowly but surely income will come. As for followers, they are wonderful to have, but pointless if they only follow to get a follow back. Voted up!

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Some of this is funny as I have been here 6 years now and still counting. I did leave for a couple of years because of the problems with staff. Oh that following thing. Yes mine says that I am following an awful lot and also I have followers that are lots, BUT since the first panda and the staff problems about 3 years ago, Many of them have left the building. It would take me forever and a day to see who is not here and unfollow them.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Bill, great information and advice as always my friend.

      I all but gave up on Hub Pages a year ago or more when some of my long published hubs were suddenly deemed unworthy by the decision makers who work for this company. It made me absolutely furious and I don't get angry very often.

      In a fit of anger, I deleted every hub (article) I had ever written and stayed away for a few months. I had not and still haven't ever taken even a penny from Hub Pages for anything I had written.

      Then reality set in and I found that I missed my on-line friends so I came back. Now I only write something when the spirit moves me but I do stay connected with most of those writers I had befriended on hub pages.

      I actually look forward to receiving that notice via email that some of my favorite writers have published a new hub.

      I enjoy reading all of the comments to a controversial subject and then trying to determine if it is my thinking that is all messed up or the author of the comment who is out in left field.

      Then there are those like you who devote many hours of your personal time teaching others. I have learned a great deal from reading what you write and I'm sure that applies to many other of your followers.

      Thanks for what you do my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peeples, I see more and more of that, people who want followers but never do any following. Oh well, I have some pretty good friends here, and that's enough for me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Debra! I wish I could say the changes at HP have been good, but that would be a lie. I like my friends here and that's about it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poolman, I have received far more than I have given here, and I really believe that. Whatever happens in my career in the future, I owe it all to this community of writers, and friends, who believed in me early on.

      I'm glad you came back. I, for one, would have missed you.

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      Janis Leslie Evans 2 years ago from Washington, DC

      Oh Bill, we can always count on you to say it loud and clear with no holds barred. You had me howling with your candid honesty and fearless cynicism. Thank you for telling some truths about our beloved HP. You had me laughing at the descriptions of what HP has molded us to become, myself included, with my knack for following rules, lol. Refreshing, voted up, funny, useful.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jan, I wanted to make sure people know that I love HP. I don't write things like this because I'm bitter. I'm not. I just think writers get screwed on this site. LOL Thank you and I'm glad I made you laugh.

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      Linda Compton 2 years ago from The Land of Enchantment

      Sir William, as always, a thoughtful reflection piece infused with experience, insight and practical suggestions. I share your genuine appreciation, disappointment and hope for more...

      Keep on! L.

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I get so giddy when I have a "light bulb moment"......(it's just that they're so rare....I think I have one of those soft-lite bulbs .)

      I realize that I can embrace my laziness and be proud! I only need send you a monthly check for writing all my thoughts, views and opinions FOR me!! You do it so damned well.

      What a great big bro you are. You spoil me!..........Maybe once in a while I'll just poke my head in with a big, "DITTO!"......Up++++

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda! I just felt like flapping my jaws for awhile about a few minor annoyances. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, that light bulb was so bright I saw it here in Oly. Don't sell your wattage short, Sis!

      But if you insist on sending a check, ten bucks will be more than enough....for the first installment. :)

      love you, Sis

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      I had not read a hub that lays it out like you have about HP. I have been here awhile, but not been very active until recently. It is good to get some tips on how it is. Thank you!

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      Prosperity66 2 years ago

      This is a very valuable article Bill, especially useful for existing and trained Hubbers but also for newbies and for my fellow Squidoo refugees :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, colorfulone...thank you for the visit and I hope it helped.

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      Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

      I have been here almost five years (I didn't always write under my name) and I can tell you HP is never going to change so it really is the people you meet and get to love and/or respect and yes the great writing place that keeps many of us hanging on but it is sad that it is not what it could be. That is why I love doing the hugs; that way I can pick a winner that got looked over. They may not be perfect but they will not be, as you say, full of typos and errors; why would they choose someone like that is beyond any understanding I have. With all the great writers here it should be really something for us all to look forward to. I think they must just have someone picking them at random with no correct grammar knowledge themselves. HP should have a place for us to post questions to find out what makes them tick. But I am sure it is $'s so why bother huh? lol

      Great article to get us stirred and hopping!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Prosperity....glad you are here and best wishes to you.

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      Margaret Schindel 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Bill, I love a guy who "tells it like I sees it." Thanks for sharing your insights in such a helpful and witty way.

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      Wednesday-Elf 2 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      I'm about to join the HubPage writers (as a transfer over from Squidoo) and enjoyed having your capsule view of the site. Humor goes a long way toward reading enjoyment. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, Margaret. I hope you enjoy the community here as much as I have. Welcome!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Wednesday-Elf....if I can be of any help as you make the transition, please feel free to ask questions.

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      Deborah Neyens 2 years ago from Iowa

      I did have to chuckle at your comments about Hubscore. I have one hub in particular that was one of my very first hubs, a prior HOTD, current "Editor's Choice" (another baffling designation), and my all time most-viewed hub, which consistently gets around 1,500 views a month. This hub sat at a Hubscore of 100 for probably two years. Just in the last few weeks, the Hubscore has dropped precipitously for no apparent reason and is now at 84. Views are unchanged (currently at 1,464 in the last 30 days), still featured, still Editor's Choice, still on Page 1 of Google. So why the mysterious drop of 16 points? I've decided it must be the HP staff's weird way of trying to "encourage" me. : )

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I have no answers to your questions. I gave up on the HP staff a long time ago. Now it's all about my friends....and you are definitely one of them. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, if that's encouragement, then HP needs to take some sensitivity training. LOL I love it...encourage you. I have no answers, but I do think the whole thing is a bit silly.

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      Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

      Woohoo! You nailed HP, Bill. Well done. I'm sure many will learn from your outstanding advice. I'm very thankful for my HP journey and for the wonderful friends I've met.

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      Well Billy this certainly took the cookie out of my mouth..LOL.. Truth in everything you've stated makes it indeed a reality check. I joined hubpages coming from Triond because of the quality of writing and a little more human feel to this virtual pool of great to not so good but loyal writers et al... Yeah I agree with most of what you're dishing.. you told it like it is and shooting from the hip is the best approach bless you my friend.. Oh yeah ive seen some hubbers followers like that too.. wondered why in such a short time they followed so many..hmm

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      Kathryn Grace 2 years ago from San Francisco

      As a newbie trying to figure out this thing called HubPages, I am grateful for every article like this I find from experienced Hubbers. This is the second of your hubs I've read. I've enjoyed both and expect I'll soon become a keen fan.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 2 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, I'm at a cross-road here on HP. Part of me is ready to go, but it's a difficult decision to make. If I decide to pack up and leave I would miss the community, there are so many warm and generous people here, and you are absolutely correct, they are the ones who make HP so special, and so darn difficult to leave. As for the hub score, it's simply a tool to keep us in line, I stop playing that game some time ago. By the way, that purple image....very classy. :)

      Another great write, you always tell it like it is. HP was fun, but it is changing, I'm not sure it's for the better.

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Bill I have no idea how I got here, goodness knows! but I am glad I did, I can't imagine leaving it, and yes I get as confused as you do over what means, well what! lol! the Featured hubs I do know are the ones that go to the top of google or at least get on one of there pages, if its not featured then it just sits there twiddling its thumbs saying, 'hello hello??' lol!

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Ah, the good, bad, and the ugly of HP. I, too am here for the community. When I first found HP through an ad posted in Monster.com, I was excited to learn I could make money via my writing. I soon discovered the difference between paying gigs and passive income. Some things about HP have irritated me in the 2 years, 10 months I've been here, but not enough to make me leave. I'm here for the many great friends I've acquired.

      I think my biggest gripe about HP is they are not communicative enough with us when they are making or contemplating making changes that affect us - the writers. I find learning of changes after the fact to be a tad on the disrespectful side.

      I've given up on trying to figure out the math they use to determine scores and why the math keeps changing. Whatever. It is what it is.

      That being said, I'm here to stay.

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      64% is a pretty big hit in income for two months. Ouch. Hope things pick up for you. I've seen a decrease, too, but have attributed it to a summer lull. Some pretty funky things have been happening with my Hub scores, too, but I have opted to ignore the issue. I was eating when I came across the dog turd photo. Bill! Yuck!

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      Dee aka Nonna 2 years ago

      I do love this site. I still come here and read what others are doing. I am slowly but surely getting my health and motivation back. I have several things in my word program that need to be edited. I will feel like doing it soon......I hope. Thank you Billy for such a wonderful article/hub.

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      Madeleine Salin 2 years ago from Finland

      Writers on HP are wonderful. Even if I haven' t written anything in months, I read a hub every now and then. I'm more into running than writing at the moment. LOL! Maybe I'll come running back here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda. If anyone would know, you would. I appreciate it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frank, I'm just trying to set the record straight for those joining us from Squidoo or other sites. It ain't all roses here, but I love the other writers. Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ecogranny, I really do appreciate it. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I'm absolutely convinced the changes are not for the better. I could not blame you if you left, but I would definitely miss you. Thank you dear friend, and blessings to you always.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, I have a lot of featured hubs, but I have watched as my earnings have dive-bombed. LOL Not sure I want featured hubs. I might go broke at this rate. LOL Thanks for the comment...glad you are here my friend.

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      ColettaTeske 2 years ago

      Thank you for the insight into HubPages. I just moved over here from Squidoo and am still wet behind the ears.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I am too, Sha, but that doesn't keep me from sticking it to them every once in a while. I see the Hubbie Awards are being voted on...the winners get a tshirt and a coffee mug. LMAO

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yuck indeed, Flourish, but appropriate somehow. :) Thanks for the laugh. I sure hope it's the summer lull and not my ability as a writer. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dee and I'm glad to see you back. Get well soon and hopefully we'll see an article from you soon.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Made, if you have to leave us for something, I guess running is a good substitute. LOL Thanks for stopping by during your run.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, Coletta, and thank you. If I can be of any help, feel free to ask questions.

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Yeah, the lucky winners get to drink their coffee in style. ha ha

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      Mark G Weller 2 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      As usual, dead on Bill. I l have "met" and made many friends here that I never would have otherwise. I don't write here as you know because the Google gods banned my ad sense account for some unknown transgression. Anyway, great message for new and old!

      Mark

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      Caren White 2 years ago from Franklin Park, NJ

      Great article! You really nailed it. I joined HP 7 years ago and then left for about 5 years for personal reasons. When I came back two years ago, there were huge changes, not all for the better. I'm learning to ignore hub scores and hubber scores and just concentrate on publishing great articles. HP may not think much of my writing, but my income has been steadily increasing so I will stick around.

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      Laurel Rogers 2 years ago from Bishop, Ca

      Greetings, billybuc! I have been a writer on HP for almost five years, yet became discouraged with the site and have not contributed for around a year. The changes here in format and staff non-participation (among other things) left a very bad taste in my mouth. This article is instructive and enlightening, succinct and well-written.

      I particularly enjoyed your attention to frenetic following by newcomers-this has been such an annoyance that I check each follower's activity to see any pattern before I accept.

      All in all, though, your writing here may convince me to cautiously return. We shall see!

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Not just friends but really really cool friends. Boy there are some weirdos here and that makes me fit in just fine. I have not retired off HP earnings but I retired from thinking about them.

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      Linda Crist 2 years ago from Central Virginia

      Damn, I woke up this morning thinking today was the day that my HP windfall was going to appear. Now that I've had a reality check, I may as well go back to bed. Oh wait, all is not lost. I'm going to get my THIRD payout this month. It only took me two years and 200+ articles. I know, that's nothing, but, it's huge to me, a novice at this writing stuff. I've made a whopping $150 bucks but I've gained some amazing friends because you encouraged me, guided me, and convinced me that if I stuck it out, I would make "some" money.

      It is important that newcomers understand the reality and you did that beautifully in this piece. I don't have a ton of followers and I don't follow a ton of people. I can't read everyone's work that I admire and still push out an article once in a while. I do love this community though and like you Kindred, I'm not leaving. I'll write when I can, read some articles when time permits, and be content while I'm waiting for the pennies to fall from heaven. You rock!

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      Audrey Howitt 2 years ago from California

      Well--that is pretty spot on Bill! I have still to make my first $50 here, but I go back and look at the quality of my work and feel it is improving over time--now to get a chapbook together! Happy Wednesday!

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Well for all of you who think it is bad that you have not gotten a really good check. It took me 3 years to get my first $100.00. This is definitely NOT a get rich quick place!!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Too funny Sha!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, I will never understand the google gods or HP gods or any of that. I'm just a writer, and glad to have you as a friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      OldRoses, I'm glad to hear your income is going in the opposite direction from mine. LOL Thanks for visiting my humble little home.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you lorlie. I always hate to see good writers such as yourself leave. We need each other for support in this writing business, and who couldn't use an extra friend? I hope you return.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Eric, that's the best line of the day. Thanks for the laugh and the friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kindred, your third payout in two years? You go, girl!!!!!! Hey, it's better than two payouts, right? :) I love you dear friend. Stick around so I have a kindred spirit here.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, I am blown away...still no payout?????? I have no words. I am blown away. HP STAFF, ARE YOU PAYING ANY ATTENTION?????

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nope, it's not, Debra, and anyone here just to make money is wasting their time.

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      Rhonda Lytle 2 years ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

      I'm so loving the honesty here, the good the bad and the ugly all laid out with no slant or spin. I had forgotten how annoying the unpredictable scores were. I'm thinking about taping a sticker over the part of my screen it's on so I don't have to see it. Thank you for another most enjoyable and personable read.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rhonda, I had never thought of doing that. That's actually not a silly idea at all. LOL Good to see you, as always, Rhonda. Thank you!

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I was told that your hub score is done by how many times your profile page is looked at, if so, that's funny. Shouldn't it be scored by the quality of your writing? I have been here for four years and my hub score is lower than it's ever been. Two years ago it was 93. I wish i'd taken a picture of it cos i know it will never be that high again. I want to say that it doesn't bother me but i'd be lying. I also had a level 8 commenter, now it's 7. I ' ain't ' going anywhere unless they kick me out. I liked this ' article ' lol

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      Heidi Thorne 2 years ago from Chicago Area

      Even though my intent in writing here on HubPages was for business purposes, like you, I have found HubPages to be one of the most engaged and helpful communities online. I am so grateful for everyone's support and insight. Thanks for being there for us, billybuc!

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      Jaye Denman 2 years ago from Deep South, USA

      You certainly nailed the HP description, Bill. Like you, I value the community writers and friends I've made on this site more than any other aspect. I like being able to choose my own topics without being forced into writing 'to order.' I also enjoy reading the work of my favorites as well as some newbies here.

      I pay little to no attention to my scores, will never have either an 'Editor's Choice' or HOTD, and I can understand if the HP administrators don't care much for me, whatever they think of my writing. (I've freely shared my opinions about how things are managed--or not managed--around here, which doesn't gain one any Brownie points.)

      The up-and-down aspect of traffic and earnings does concern me. I hate to see my monthly HP income take a nosedive for no reason that I can ascertain.

      All of my hubs have been featured since HP began that status until last week when one was suddenly 'unfeatured.' I read the HP suggestion to add more 'search-friendly' subheadings (which took less than five minutes), and the 'featured' icon reappeared a day later. Did I think the article was improved by these minute changes? No, but apparently they appeased the great Google god behind the curtain!

      It's always a pleasure to read your candid assessments, Bill. Keep 'em coming!

      Voted Up+++ and shared

      Jaye

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      Melissa Propp 2 years ago from Minnesota

      What's a hub score? Just kidding! I love your "value of a hub score" photo. That's priceless! I haven't written any hubs in over a year, but I still like to come back for the community and to read your articles. I think there would be a lot less writers in the HP community if you left...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, it's all a great mystery. All I can do is concentrate on my ability as a writer. The rest is out of my hands.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I agree with you, Heidi. I have received much more than I have given here, and I will remain. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jaye, I wish I had answers to the HP mysteries, but I don't, and the staff could care less. Having said that, it really doesn't matter. I am a writer..I have much bigger fish to fry....and my HP score will never reflect my abilities. :) Thanks for being here my friend and editor.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Melissa. I wish you'd get off the pot and write an article. LOL Just kidding....I don't think my leaving would affect anything, but we'll never find out cuz I'm stuck like glue. :)

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 2 years ago

      Hello Bill,

      One of the many qualities I adore about you is your honesty! :-) I really enjoyed your article and all the same reasons are there for me, to stay here on HP. I would never had the pleasure or blessing to enjoy reading and learning from your wisdom had I left HP and not returned.

      I am a 3 year resident here and no payout or HOTD award to date. My *award(s)* come from great writers/authors like you, who really inspire me to keep writing, brush up on the vocabulary and thanks to you and so many others who encouraged me, I found my niche.

      I could go on, but this is your Spotlight moment! :-) Shared, up and tweeted. Awesome Bill :-) blessings

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, Jo. I am amazed that you have had no payout in three years...and still you write...because you are a writer and you love to write. No other reason is necessary. :) Blessings always

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      ocfireflies 2 years ago from North Carolina

      Bill,

      I love HP for all the reasons you state in your article. I can admit that I have felt frustration as to the when and why, and I realized early on poetry is not the kind of "green" that pays off on HP.

      Here is what stresses me the most:

      1-not being able to comment daily

      2-feeling terrible because I have yet to comment

      3-feeling guilty if I publish an article and have not commented yet

      *I wish there was some kind of button one could push on her HP that posted a certain color or sign that tells her HP community,

      "Greetings! Not able to interact! Will be back! Want to read your article. Yours Truly, (HP Name)"

      so that your circle knows you are thinking about them even when you can't always be around.

      Smiles,

      Kim

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      Rolly A Chabot 2 years ago from Alberta Canada

      Hi Billy.... Great subject matter and for those who have been around awhile, well it rings so true. Needless to say like many I have had my battles with HP and it resembles banging my head against a brick wall. I have been around here for 5 years now.

      One of the greatest blessings as you say is forget about the numbers and instead focus on the community of friends, after all this is where I first met billybuc... Awesome read my friend...

      Hugs and Blessings

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Kim! Great points for sure. I have major apprehension when I want to comment and cannot. Annoying at best. I love my friends here and I never want them to think I have abandoned them...so I understand.

      Thank you as always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Rolly. I, for one, got real tired of banging my head against that wall. Ended up a bloody mess for no reason. :)

      Blessings to you always my friend

      bill

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 2 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      Thanks for this page, very informative in a clear easy to understand way as well. You managed to get directly to the point in each section, so I've left your article feeling like I've learned something today!

      Your point about articles and marketing is well taken; personally I completely understand that - we cater to an audience when we write, and we certainly can't gain an audience without knowing or at least appreciating some fundamental online marketing do's and don'ts. There are only so many spots on the first page of a search engine, and those who know how to sincerely reach their audience with quality work as well as some marketing skill, will march ahead to capture those spots, and as a result potentially gain media shares.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      All great points, Brite-Ideas. Thanks for sharing them and for visiting my site. I appreciate it.

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      Usually, I read most of the comments before I comment. But, not today.

      I am not computer savvy and it took me a year and a half to get up the courage to post my first picture. My main objective has been to learn and practice writing. I did not even know where the forums were located until I pinned Paula up against the wall and demanded answers.

      Once I learned to click on "Hub Pages" at the top of the hub, I found a whole other world. I also found bickering and complaining and name calling and some truly crass acronyms.

      Thankfully, I am not here to earn money. I knew I would starve to death if I had to rely on HP for a paycheck.

      The last two writings that I published got low scores and they were my first to not be featured - "poor quality". This was confusing, as all my other published works were featured, at least for a time. I am supposed to be getting better, not worse.

      Like you, I would read published works that were simply not the best.

      But, they had all the bells and whistles with pictures, videos and polls.

      So, you arrived with this today, and it could not be better timed!

      I think you should re-publish this every few months for newbies.

      If the mood hits to write and publish, then I will do so. And, HP scores be damned!

      As you so frequently do, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head.

      Or, would that be, hit the proverbial nail on the head? LOL

      Thanks a million, this was SUPER!!

      DJ.

      I had begun to doubt my potential as a writer based on HP's scores

      and "not featured - low quality".

      So your words, today, have restored my faith in myself, as a decent

      writer.

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      Kate Loving Shenk 2 years ago from Lancaster PA

      As a Squidoo immigrant, I found your article insightful. There was a time at Squidoo when the community was close. Then some members left and those who stayed were happy to take up the Squidoo torch. The question remains-- is it wise for writers to write for third party sites? And as you mention, the solidarity of the community calls us back. Writing is a lonely business, and we need one another to fuel the creative muse. Thanks again for your honesty. I know I won't be hanging out in many of the forums, although I enjoyed one which welcomed the Squidsters into the HubPage fold.

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      Tina Truelove 2 years ago

      Well written, useful and funny as always! Thank you for making me smile.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      Stay honest, Bill. This is refreshing for me, to have you echo some of my thoughts. The only thing to take seriously on HP is your own writing. Thanks for the encouragement.

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      T-shirts start at 9 bucks.....a nice coffee mug is at least 4 bucks.....They can put $13.00 into my earnings bank. Then I'll have $15.00 !!!!!!! There's always a wise ass in the crowd.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kateloving, welcome to HP and thank you for following me. If I can be of any assistance while you learn your way around here, feel free to ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure as always, Tina! Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dora and I obviously agree with you. I appreciate you greatly.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      At HP, Sis, there are at least two wise asses. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I have nothing to add. Keep writing because you love it. HP's acceptance of you, or lack thereof, means nothing, and I'm glad you recognize that.

      Hang in there my friend

      bill

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      Boy you nailed it! I have had more than my share of "run-ins" with the staff. I think they are biased in favor of liberalism and new age ideas. However, having said that, I am one of the lucky ones because my articles are the kinds of articles that google likes. I am not the best writer for sure, and I'm not the worst but the things that I am interested in happen to do well on google and I am grateful for that because Hubpages is my only source of income.

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      Michelle Scoggins 2 years ago from Fresno, CA

      I love it!! Filled with great sarcasm but full of truth. I find myself stalking my earnings at times but then I remember that even without my few daily pennies I have gained some great contacts and supporters through HP's that have helped me have confidence in my abilities. Voted Up!!

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      Dreammore 2 years ago from Great England

      Well said Billy. Always a pleasure reading your hubs.

      Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well Brie, whatever you are doing, keep doing it. I am not popular with google, but I can live with it. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you mdscoggins. I'm glad you picked up on the sarcasm. I'd hate to think that I wasted some good sarcasm. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Craig. I appreciate it.

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      Stephanie Henkel 2 years ago from USA

      Like you, I've given up trying to psych out hub scores and some of the accolades awarded by the HP staff. Sure, I've fared pretty well in that department, but it's hard to say where that's gotten me as far as earnings go. The best thing about HP is the writing community. We get our daily dose of support and humor from each other, and that's worth a lot! Good article, Bill!

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      First of all I think fiction writing is at a real disadvantage. Non-fiction is where the money is when it comes to google. You can be the best fiction writer on the planet and google doesn't care. Personally, I hate fiction so it's ok with me. Secondly, you have to write in such a way that people who are googling the object of your article will find you. And third, tenacity..keep with it and eventually it will pay off. In any case, that's my 3 cents worth.

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      Sanjay Sharma 2 years ago from Mandi (HP) India

      On regularly watching my statistics on Hub Pages, I have come to the conclusion that except the details of page views nothing is significant. The hub score has different parameters. The featured hubs become un-featured due to lack of traffic, but again become featured. The forums and questions sometimes induce to look at the profile of a particular hubber. I seldom comment. I read new hubs, but not all of them. I think it is not the internal but the external traffic that matters.

      I really liked the present hub and I always try to go through your hubs.

      Thanks for sharing. You are a marvelous writer. Good Luck.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      In the beginning the ratio to get paid and they get paid was 60/40. I really think it is more like 90 them and 10 us. Greedy little suckers don't you think??? You cannot tell me it is all a Google thing either. Staff say they do not like bullying but if you report one then you become the bully....how does that work or even make any sense????

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Amazing! I do try to keep up with my pace here but not much time lately. An interesting and very helpful hub. I have earned here and have featured hubs but nothing to brag about like the HUB OF THE DAY

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      mckbirdbks 2 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      Hello Bill. At the moment this article has 99 comments and counting. I also see you are approaching the 2,000 follower mark. I am guessing you are doing something right to have amassed such numbers. This article should become a handbook for new arrivals and long time residence here at the HP.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      I agree with you 100%, bill. I've been here for over 4 years and I haven't been paid one penny yet! What's more, I don't care.

      Like you, I love the community here and it's made me think so much more about my writing. I have to keep to certain guidelines which does me good but I can diversify and write about anything I wish.

      I can understand why you're going to novel writing; you're so good at it. I think your best writing is when your thoughts pour out onto the paper, when rhythm and flow pour out with them.

      I wish you every success and I'll follow that success with interest.

      Glad you're not deserting us totally though!

      Hubpages could definitely be much, much more but in the meantime we'll all still be enjoying our little chats, sharing our thoughts and supporting each other.

      Happy Wednesday evening, bill.

      Ann

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      MizBejabbers 2 years ago

      (Applause) Thanks for echoing the thoughts of most of us professional writers here on HP. I think it takes somebody who has built up the readership (followers) you have to be able to speak plainly. I see some people who don’t understand why their hubs are being retired or deleted, and I think maybe it is because they are speaking out. And, maybe not, I’ve tried to keep civil, but my hubs are being retired at what I think is an alarming rate. Maybe that’s to give those of us “occasional writers” a swift kick in the pants to do more.

      I can see retiring hubs that aren’t “green” because nobody wants yesterday’s news, but I don’t understand retiring hubs that have higher scores than some that stay, and I do resent that.

      When I first came, I was shocked because very few read my hubs. It took awhile before I built up enough friends who made me want to stay. I was considering leaving when an award came my way, and I realized that somebody had to have been reading my stuff or I wouldn’t have gotten it. I’m so glad that I stayed because I’ve made so many good friends, and I’ve had the privilege of getting acquainted with you, Bill.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Billy

      You always manage to put things into perspective for me and I so admire your ability to just soldier on, regardless of what is going on around you. I believe this is a sign of a true writer. If we could all manage to do the same and avoided the forums and just got on with the business of writing - perhaps things would just fall into place for us but we don't and all get caught up in the anxiety of plummeting Hub and Profile Scores and mad editing of Hubs which probably don't need editing at all.

      I consider myself fortunate. This month I will receive my fourth payout, not including the monetary prize I received from one of the competition weeks. As grateful as I feel, I do find myself asking why anyone would work for less than a dollar a day!

      Frankly, it shocks me that people who I consider to be real writers, have not earned a dime in several years of being here.

      I guess I had better go write another 'craft hub' rather than a delicious read.

      Sally

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      Caren White 2 years ago from Franklin Park, NJ

      Sally, may I respectfully disagree with you? My day job, which I don't particularly like, pays for my gardening hobby, which I love. And I write hubs on gardening topics that I don't particularly care for but which generate traffic and $$$$ so that I can also write hubs on the gardening topics that I love but aren't nearly as popular and remunerative. Live is a compromise and we all just do the best we can. Sometimes that includes doing things we don't like so that we can have the wherewithal to do things that we love.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      OldRoses

      My apologies, I jest because nearly all of my hubs are craft hubs and I love doing everyone of them.

      Sally

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      I have a gardening hub and have linked some of Bills hubs and other hubs to it and I do not get a whole lot of views. hmmmmm. Like Brie says..they are biased up there.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Stephanie. Those of us who have been around can see what is real and what isn't on this site. As long as my friends are here then I'll be here as well.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oh, Brie, I think that was worth much more than three cents. No doubt what you say is true..fiction writers will never make money on HP...nor will poets....nor will most essayists...that's just the nature of the site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you SANJAY. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to read my hubs. I value loyalty.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It makes no sense, Debra, and that's why I don't even try to understand it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      That's okay, DDE. I've never gotten a HOTD either and it really doesn't matter. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey mckbirdbks....doing something right? I guess I'm just a likable guy. :) Seriously, I have some very loyal friends here who can always be counted on to comment. I've been very fortunate. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, I am blown away by the fact that you have not made money here. I think that speaks volumes much louder than this article.

      But like you said, who really cares? Serious writers try to improve their craft. HP has no bearing on that at all. Thank God I joined this site so I could meet people like you.

      Happy Wednesday my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MizB, thank you for sharing that. I simply don't understand why serious writers are not embraced on HP. I understand the making money bit, but HP could be so much more. Embrace those who are trying to improve their craft...my goodness, we've had enough of dumbing down this country....let's support improvement in the Arts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I understood the jest and laughed when I read it. I feel bad for those writers who are trying to improve their craft and have never been paid a penny...seems ridiculous to me, but what do I know? And I love the fact that you know crafting and are so articulate in writing about it. Keep doing what you are doing, and thank you for always being here.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks OldRoses....I appreciate you stopping by. Your point is well-taken...as was Sally's jest.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again, Sally, and it was a good jest. :)

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      Crystal Tatum 2 years ago from Georgia

      Great article, Bill. I can't weigh in one way or the other because my involvement here has been so limited, but I trust your assessment. Happy that you have carved your own path here and will continue to follow that path.

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      Barbara Tremblay Cipak 2 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      Oops sorry, I'm learning how hub works, so I was accidentally looking at an Ad on my previous comment - but of course, my original comment above is still here - again, very informative, thank you

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      Clearly, your work resonated with so many writers!!! It took me ten minutes to get to the part where I could add a comment. I love HP because of the wonderful people I have met along the way. The rest is meaningless....See you at the inn.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      There IS a way to make some money here. Go into your account and go to earnings and set it up that you use HP Amazon program. For some reason there is a big difference in the programs. Try it for 3 months and see what you get.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Just a bit, Debra, but they make no secret of it. :) It is what it is.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Crystal. You are one writer I wish I saw more of.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No problem, Brite-Ideas....I enjoy new friendships so drop by any old time.

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      sheilamyers 2 years ago

      ROFL!!!! I can't stop laughing about your statement about people writing like "fifth graders on crack". Okay. Let me stop laughing for a second. Like you, I'm here to write what I write no matter how many people ever read my articles. Yes, that's also what I usually call them. And I think it's great that I've been able to meet so many wonderful people. Now I'm going back to laughing about the "fifth graders on crack" comment.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Breakastpop, save me a seat. I'll see you there soon.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good suggestions, Debra. Thank you.

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      Jimmy 2 years ago

      They are not enough articles on UFOs and the Annunaki. The Annunaki will be here soon and the world is doing nothing to prepare for their arrival.

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      CrisSp 2 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Ha..ha...ha...love the "poohcture" Bill while my daughter says, "eww"! Yes, I showed and shared your hub with her for her reading pleasure 'though not so sure about picture as delightful. Lol!

      You nailed it. What else can I say?

      Great article as always and very creative! And yes, I hear you brother!

      Love from the sky~ :)

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      Liz Davis 2 years ago from Hudson, FL

      Holy crap, Billy! No pun intended. This is a popular one. You are right on on every point. Great job, my friend!

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      lovedoctor926 2 years ago

      This hub is full of great advice for writers. very well- presented& useful. I now have a better understanding of certain things I wasn't sure about.

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      Sharilee Swaity 2 years ago from Canada

      Agreed, on all points! Your really know how to get a reader's attention with the "crap" picture as a cover. I thought you were saying HP was *you know* and I had to take a look. But seriously, you have a written an excellent primer for those new to HP, and looking to understand some burning questions about the site. Take care!

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      William Leverne Smith 2 years ago from Hollister, MO

      Sir William, I concur with Linda Compton, way back at the first handful of comments. Well said. Thanks for sharing... ;-)

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      Denise W Anderson 2 years ago from Bismarck, North Dakota

      Thanks for telling it like it is, Bill. You are so good at that! We all need to hear these things once in a while.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheila, what can I tell you? I used to teach school so it's a definite possibility. LOL Thank you and glad you enjoyed the humor.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well then, Jimmy, I suggest you start writing those UFO articles. Thanks for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, I'm glad you daughter "liked" the picture. LOL Every time she hears my name now, she will associate it with purple crap. Now I'm laughing out loud.

      Thanks, Cris, and hugs from Oly coming at you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, even bad writers get lucky sometimes and get lots of comments. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Doc, good to see you my friend. Thank you so much for leaving Bubblews long enough to read this. I wish you were here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sharilee, how do you know I wasn't saying HP is crap? LOL No, I love it here...and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Bill. I have found it very wise to agree with Linda Compton. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Denise, and thank you. I said nothing here that the HP staff doesn't already know.

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      Anna Haven 2 years ago from Scotland

      Very true Bill. The hub scores are a mystery, the feature criteria is an enigma and they definitely don't, directly reflect the purity of writing quality.

      Anna

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      TripleAMom 2 years ago from Florida

      Bill, the purple poop got me :) but then was glad to read your thoughts. I started out trying really hard, then just enjoyed writing, then was gone for about a year because other things got in the way. I'm trying to come back and get motivated again. Never had a payout, but am close. Don't get any clicks on Amazon adds though I add those to each hub. But...I do love the people and the chance to write when I'm able. Thanks for your consistency and always being an encouragement.

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      eye say 2 years ago from Canada

      good read Billy - I like your perspective - thanks

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No, they don't, Anna, but I sure do love people like you. Thank you always.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      TriipleAMom, welcome back. Glad you found your way to my little site, and I hope to see more of you soon.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you eye say. I appreciate it.

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      TripleAMom 2 years ago from Florida

      Bill I've been on your site quite a bit. Liked you 2 years ag0

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      Anna Haven 2 years ago from Scotland

      Apologises as this is off topic.

      I downloaded your new novel when it came out, but I haven't had time to read anything at all for weeks.

      I did start to read tonight.

      I read out the prologue to my husband and he asked who it was, he said it was outstanding and he needed to read it.

      I had to share that, as praise should be passed on as given.

      Anna

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I know you have, TripleAMom....I'm glad you are back and preparing to be active again.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, you certainly don't have to apologize for that comment. What lovely news. Thank you for telling me that and thank your husband for me, please.

      bill

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      TIMETRAVELER2 2 years ago

      Bill: WOW! That's all I can say! You sure hit the nail on the head with this one!

      Ironically, ever since May my views and money have increased significantly, but I view that as temporary because as we both know, you can lose it all in a heartbeat.

      I am so glad you are here. I came when you did, and within a few days will reach 200,000 views!

      I never came for the money, but it is nice to know that somebody, somewhere is reading what I write.

      Big hugs, my friend...big hugs.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Timetraveler, bravo on that 200,000 mark, and thank you for the nice words. There are so many people, like you, who are so supportive...I can't imagine writing for another community. I'm glad your views increased. About six months ago I underwent a large increase, and then two months ago the bottom fell out. I'm not making what I made two years ago. LOL But this too shall pass.

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      What a great "article" Bill. I completely agree with you on all points. I'm here because I love the HP community. It's certainly not because I'm getting rich here. I just love to write about and share my travels, it's that simple. Great photos :)

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      Jenn-Anne 2 years ago

      Brilliant article, as always! I haven't written anything here in a year but I'm hoping to start again soon. Oddly, my most successful hub is a humorous piece and not an informational or how-to hub. Go figure! You comments about community are spot on. Glad you're sticking around!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bill, you are the type of writer I will follow anywhere, but I'm glad you are staying here. Thank you for your loyalty and friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jenn-Anne, it's always a pleasure having you stop by. Even though you haven't posted in awhile here you still manage to find the time to support others. Thank you for that.

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      Victoria Lynn 2 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      Well said, well said. I agree that the friends are the best. With that said, I have been enjoying getting increased income off referrals, so that's a nice surprise. And I do think that there are a few HP staff who are helpful and encouraging, but I won't mention names so as not to leave anyone out. :-) Another great hub, Bill. Voted up, useful, interesting, funny, awesome!

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      Dianna Mendez 2 years ago

      You have said almost everything for me in this article. If it were not for the community of writers I would not be here. It's nice having friends who encourage you and support your efforts. There are those on here who write for money, look for articles to copy, or just want to annoy others; but, those who write because they wish to improve through the help of other hubbers are going to be successful at heart.

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      Susan Zutautas 2 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      Hit all the buttons on this one Bill.

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Hi Dear Bill ... I am WAY down here!

      Wow, I have been here two years and five months, coming right behind on your tail feathers. I have been blessed beyond measure at this wonderful community of writers who have welcomed me and have shown me great support, much to my surprise and delight. I have learned so much and enjoyed every minute reading the writings of my fellow hubbers.

      I am not about making money here so much, as I have my day job at the present, so I am thrilled that HP allows me to take up so much of their space at no charge! I may need to pay them back the two cents. I came to the understanding of what HP is all about as far as what types of hubs make money, and I am so appreciative that they allow those of us who want to write and share whatever it is we have on our hearts with others regardless if they are the money hubs are not. All my hubs are featured though.

      This will be so helpful to those newbies coming in right now as to what to expect, and I hope they soon find out what we have ... that being, a lovely community of writers, who encourage us, cry with us, share with us and are there for us. Thank you for always being there for all.

      (((Hugs)) and blessings always

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vicki! I always appreciate you stopping by. We started just about the same time, and I always value your input.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I believe that as well, Dianna, and you already know why I'm here...because of people like you. Thank you dear friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Susan and it's nice to see you. I hope all is well with you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, there is absolutely nothing I can add to that....a beautiful comment from the heart as only you can say it. Thank you for your continued support, and thank you always for your friendship.

      blessings and a big old hug coming your way

      bill

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      Vivian Sudhir 2 years ago from Madurai, India

      Hello billybuc, Good insight into why we behave foolishly, indeed we need to keep on our scent and move towards sensibility. Look forward to your articles.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      snerfu, hello! I love the way you worded that comment. Indeed my new friend...sensibility. Thank you!

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      Audrey Hunt 2 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Well, Bill, I no longer need to wonder if my ass is too big because I laughed it all off reading this article.

      You have a real talent for blending humor and bluntness...something I would like to learn. Our community of hub page writers have said it all (I read every one of them) so there's only three words left to say ~

      I Love You,

      Audrey

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      Marie Giunta 2 years ago from Sydney, Australia

      Here, here! You've written what most writers on this site know. I've been here long enough to know its the community that makes HP the best writing site and I have learned so much over the years thanks to writers like you Billy. Thanks for the laughs.

      PS: My dog appreciates your photo, she gave it a good sniff LOL :)

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      Michael-Milec 2 years ago

      O Bill, you did it as promised not long ago, you will answer it in the near future. You've said it as I never heard or seen before., in this article. Clear and complete puzzle, but one peace missing and I am looking at it reading it anew though knowing it by heart for a long time :" A man cannot receive anything of his own will unless it is given him from Heaven." Much has been given to me on HP undeservingly by this very point in this loving, friendly community of writers accepting and tolerating me as an commentator only . Am I beneficiary of my own belief or is it a universal "inheritance of effects from more remote antecedents of the Divine will?…" ( I rather will admit my incomplete understanding how to ' release " written article due to lack of controlling a petty formal points arising from a strict interpretation of rules…)

      Voted useful and absolutely awesome.

      Good night my friend.

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      travmaj 2 years ago from australia

      Hi Bill, I'm still hysterical re your hub score value photo. Totally hit the spot!

      You certainly nailed this - I do have one quibble. You suggest writing travel articles for results - I write travel and have yet to see a monetary result. Ok, maybe my lack of technological knowledge is a factor. I just don't get it. I'll get some help here soon and see what transpires. No worries though, I enjoy the company and writing so it all evens out.

      Love the phrase of your Dad - bunch of malarkey! My Dad would have said - a load of codswallop. (a legit north of England saying)

      Malarkey and Codswallop - two delicious words of the day. LOL

      Cheers Maj -

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, I have my doubts that your ass was that big to begin with, but thank you.

      And I only have three words for you

      I love you

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MPG, you had me laughing with that one. Tell your dog thanks for the sniff, and thank you as well.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, you give me a gift every single time you comment...a smile. I thank you for that smile, and I thank you for your friendship.

      peace be with you, Michael

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maj, I have heard of codswallop, but had forgotten it until just now. What a wonderful word, and it sounds like it means if you get my point. LOL Thank you so much. I am not sure why you aren't scoring with those travel articles. I see nothing wrong with them and many things that are right.

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      bettyshares 2 years ago from Lighthearted Musings

      Thanks for sharing your experience here on Hubpages, many of us coming from Squidoo will have to learn the ropes along the way.

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      travmaj 2 years ago from australia

      Hi again Bill - yes, a most meaningful word. Codswallop is back in my vocabulary big time...I'll add the odd malarkey too.

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      Venkatachari M 2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      Very awesome hub. There are many useful tips and good knowledge about hubpages which can be of much help to hubbers like me. I love your style and grateful to you.

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      Randi Benlulu 2 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Hey Bill! I thought I left a comment earlier but I don't think it went through. Just wanted to say, I agree almost 100% except that I do think that that the powers that be at Hp would indeed miss you greatly (they'd be foolish not to!)

      Thanks for hitting all the points!

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      N R Sparks 2 years ago from Wisconsin

      I started here to hone my writing skills in hopes of being a more serious author in the future. Hopefully HP community is as helpful as you claim!

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      Cardia 2 years ago from Barbados.

      I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article, and found every bit true. I love your style - straight, simple, and to the point!

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      Simon 2 years ago from Ireland

      i have just joined HP a couple of minutes ago and this is very encouraging and honest. i am joining to improve my writing skills so it is great to get some insight into what HP offers. thank you

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      Nadine May 2 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Oh Billy you are my most admired member on hubpages. They should give you a medal for the best supporting and encouraging member so far. I will share this post with all our Kima global authors for a start. Not that any of them have followed my advise and market their books on this forum by writing articles about the topic, but that is OK. I laughed at your photo that said it all about the value of scores. Voted up! Awesome, interesting, helpful and I will tweet and Google your post.

      Thank you! xxx

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 2 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      You are so very right Bill. The writing community at hubpages is something that is not to be found anywhere else. Very concerned, appreciative and ever so helpful.

      Though I spend a lot less time here these days the friendships made here exist beyond hubpages as well.

      Thanks for this fine review.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      Thank you for being candid, Bill. This was useful and encouraging to me as a neophyte writer on HubPages. It seems as though contentment on HP is all about managing expectations.

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      Oyewole Folarin 2 years ago from Lagos

      Hi Billybuc, sincerely you wrote a very good review of the tiny god called Hubpages. I could remember when i went back to school, i wasn't active on the site for like 12 months. On returning back to HP i noticed my hubberscore had dropped drastically, in fact so frustrating that i was thinking of leaving the site for another platform. It was when i started implementing what other hubbers told me to do that it moved up a bit.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      bettyshares, welcome to HP and if I can be of any help feel free to ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maj, if I can remember, I'm going to use it in a hub. I love codswallop thanks to you. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Venkatachari. I appreciate you stopping by and commenting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Randi. I thought you had commented too, but there have been so many comments that I really can't remember. I appreciate your kind words my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nrsparks, if you become an active member then they will embrace you. That's how it happened for me. Welcome to HP and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cardia, thank you. It comes from my years as a teacher, having to squeeze a lesson into 45 minutes. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well welcome to HP, Francis, and thank you for visiting me. If I can help you then please ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nadine, thank you so much. I'm just trying to be as encouraging as I can be. Writing is a tough gig and I think we should all help each other. I'm glad you liked the photo. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      rajan, you will always be a valued member here, and my friend. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Iris, welcome to HP and you just nailed it....expectations indeed. If I can be of any help to you, feel free to ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      incomeguru, thank you for sharing that experience, and I'm glad you decided to come back to HP. We need all the good writers we can find.

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 2 years ago from Philippines

      Mr. Bill, you are psychic. I agree with everything you said, and feel the same way you do. But you articulated it all so well. HP is a great community and I feel like I know some of the people here very well, even if I've never met them. I also enjoy people who share what's special about themselves, whether it's humor, emotion or gracious writing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mona. This seemed to strike a chord with quite a few people, and I'm happy for that. I value your friendship.

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      Karen Szklany Gault 2 years ago from New England

      Hey Bill,

      Great reminders to keep up a regular "reality check" about HP. Used to have a higher hubber score and now it's so volatile it means nothing to me any more...except if it means the difference between more or less traffic and income. Trying to find other ways of earning more regular income, so I have spurts of not writing because I make more with my "real time" work. ~:0) Now I publish articles when I feel they are ready to be sent out into the world. It still does take a certain amount of time to publish something good, and if I am going to promote my work, it better be work that I am proud of. ~:0)

      Thanks so much for being such a supportive friend on HP. Hope to visit you and Bev in Washington sometime. :0)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Seafarer, I echo your feelings...if you are going to publish then publish something good...bravo for those sentiments.

      I thought you were coming out here this summer? What happened?

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      Karen Szklany Gault 2 years ago from New England

      I applied for a residency at a place on Whidby Island, but didn't make the cut this time. Not sure why, but I may need to pay for a week's retreat out there before I get a paid residency. Will keep applying. Next year the UU General Assembly will be in Portland Oregon. If my family and I get out there for it, we will try to work in time to get to your place.....depending on how far we can stretch the budget. ~:0) In the meantime, we'll keep in touch here. :0)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sounds good, Seafarer...sorry you didn't get that residency at Whidby...great place to visit.

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      social thoughts 2 years ago from New Jersey

      I love how you write with such love of writing and people. Also, your thoughts on the unfortunately ignorant people in the forums sound about right. I have avoided the forums for that reason. I have had my share of negative comments on my articles by those clearly lacking knowledge in the topics I'm discussing. You are so right that this place should be about writing and getting better at writing rather than as a place for insecure people to lash out. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good for you, social thoughts, and I think I've already mentioned on one of your hubs that I admire your fervor and the way you think. I'm looking forward to many years "together" here. We can watch each other become better writers. :)

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      SweetiePie 2 years ago from Southern California, USA

      I come here to update my hubs, but Hubpages just is not the big earner it once was for me. I think if someone truly wishes to write for the sake of writing, Hubpages is probably not the best place for that. Your own blog or publications geared towards writing probably serve this purpose.

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      Mike Pugh 2 years ago from New York City

      I guess my original comment wasn't approved anyhow, great article.

      Wish you and everyone here on Hubpages a great deal of success in this online life and in the real world.

      Have a lovely day of networking, writing, or whatever you folks do.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      SweetiePie, I'm not sure what good HP is anymore, but I do know I love the other writers here, and for now, that's good enough for me. Thanks for your thoughts on it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Mike. My success will come from other ventures. I'm just here at HP to hang with friends.

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      JG11Bravo 2 years ago

      I don't think this is the first time you've said what I was thinking. I thank you for giving voice to what many of us think.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      JG, thank you. I'm just speaking my mind and hoping others can relate to it. I appreciate you stopping by and commenting.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      Thanks Bill for your insight about earning money on Hubpages. I've always known that I probably wouldn't see any checks from Hubpages for a long while. Actually, by my estimate, it'll be five years before I reach the minimum threshold.

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      Sarah 2 years ago

      I'm new(er) to HP and this the most informative article I've seen yet. I have more of an interest in business and creating an online presence to woo potential employers. Hub/Hubber scores make no sense to me but as I understand it, I'm not the only one. I've mostly found myself buried in other writer's hubs for pure amusement ... much like this one. Ahem, I guess I should get back to work ...

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      Terrie Schultz 2 years ago from United States

      I joined HP because I had been writing for Yahoo Contributor Network for many years (previously Associated Content) and when it went belly up I didn't want all my articles to go to waste. I had also written for Squidoo which is now being devoured by HP. So looks like this is the only game in town. I'm not expecting to earn much (didn't earn much at the other places, either). I haven't posted any hubs/articles here yet, because I want to do some revising first. I like your honesty; this is really pretty much what I was expecting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for stopping by, Schur, and welcome to HP. If I can be of any help feel free to ask questions.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Terrie, welcome to HP. If I can be of any help I will do what I can. Ask questions if you have them.

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Good grief, Bill

      A half an hour later I got to the end of the comments!!! This one was a hit as are most of yours.

      You shared some honest observations...HubPages is an interesting site and I have made friends here that I care about,

      For me it is about the Peeps, for sure.

      I often wondered about Hub of the Day...I was told one of my articles was being considered (months ago) ...I was asked to change it somewhat and I politely declined.(really it was politely) No HOTD for me

      And the sun came up the next day.

      I still love HubPages but am not as active as I was due to family concerns and writing on another site but I will always come back and check in with those of you with whom I have found a connection.

      Angels are on the way to you and Deb and by the way , how are the chicks.?

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      Barbara Radisavljevic 2 years ago from Templeton, CA

      A thoroughly enjoyable read and rated up. After all the work I'm putting into getting lenses ready to be hubs this week, HubPages better stick around long enough for my new account as BarbRad has a chance to get established. It should get off to a much faster start that the account I'm commenting under now.

      I was so busy at Squidoo back then I hardly got over to write much here for the first two years. I'm on pins and needles waiting to see what hubs written as Squidoo lenses will look like here. Kind of like trying to get a live theatre production on a small screen.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, unfortunately, your writing does not equate well with making money on HP, but you still a very good writer who is well-worth reading.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, this one definitely was timed right with the acquisition of Squidoo. Lots of new writers wondering what this HP thing is all about. I don't get this lucky with every hub.

      Good to hear from you again my friend. Sending hugs to you and your family, and those angels are flapping their wings eastward.

      bill....and the chicks are fine, thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      WannaB, welcome back full-time and thank you. It will be interesting to see how the lenses equate to hubs, but I'm sure you'll have it all figured out soon enough. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Suzanne Day 2 years ago from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

      Absolutely hilarious and love the photo of the hub scores! A great user friendly guide and I enjoyed reading all of it, your sense of humour tickles my fancy. Voted funny and up and liked everywhere I've seen it!

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      Beth Perry 2 years ago from Tennesee

      billybuc, thank you for the humorously brutal HONESTY!!

      I don't keep up with Hub scores. I haven't become wealthy here. I am still wondering what the h*ll Panda is. Sometimes I am sickened by the in-bickering that can go on. And if I NEVER see another Atheist VS Believers debate here will be one fine, fine day. But all that aside, I like coming and being able to post practically anything I want. And I appreciate the articulate and informative writers that can be found here.

      Voted up and awesome!

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      John Hollywood 2 years ago from Hollywood, CA

      Great article and I thought this was a very informative bit of information. I never really understood those Hub Scores!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzanne, any time I can tickle someone's fancy, my work is done. :) Thank you so much. Glad you like the photo. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Beth, thank you. I agree across the board, and I have no idea what Panda is, but that bugger took a chunk of my earnings this last time and I'm hunting for him now.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you misterhollywood, and I appreciate the follow.

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      Aloke Gupta 2 years ago from India

      Awesome. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, PCB...thank you!

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      Sean H 2 years ago from USA

      A little bit irrelevant, but this is very inspiring to see that you have been very prolific with your hub writing. I struggle to write even one hub per 1 or 2 weeks but yet you seem to manage writing around 4 or 5 hubs. On a more relevant side, Awesome and believe it or not very useful article!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Seanspage....I write for a living, so I have a lot of time in front of the computer. :)

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      Loretta Livingstone 2 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Well, I just joined from Squidoo - mainly because those of my lenses there which are imoortant to me are the ones which feature events from my own life. A sort of published diary. I never uad much time to write lenses as I am also writing books and struggling with health issues. I got attached to my lenses and was hoping to transfer them here just to ensure that, somewhere in this big, wide world, they still exist. Having read this, it appears that a big group of pandas will probably eat them for breakfast. I think I may have to publish my best ones on my own website instead, as blogs. That way, no one but me can wipe them out. Looks as though anything I publish here had better be pretty unsentimental, lol. Thanks for ypur summary. It appears to he much like Squidoo.

      Having read the intro blurb, I thought that HP were concerned with the quality of writing, and was pretty excited, but it looks as though that ain't the case. I don't have the energy to interact much on here as I suffer from a long-term, debilitating illness. Oh well. I'll publish a few hubs, but not expect mich from them. And I'll hang around when I'm able. A question, though. In Squidoo, when someone liked your lens, you could see who it was. Is that the case here? Sorry, I guess I shoild look at a forum for that, but I commented omce on a forum and haven't been able to unsubscribe from it, so I guess I will be getting 10-20 emails a day from that forum for the rest of my HP life. It has discouraged me from writing on other forums. Anyway, I look forward to reading the hubs of others. And thank you for your honest assessment.

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      Donna Nitz Muller 2 years ago from 509 Pluto Court

      I enjoyed this hub. Thank you and good luck with your novel writing.

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      Loretta Livingstone 2 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Oh dear. I have edited and edited my typos in the above comment, but it appears that they still remain. Doh! So I have probably lost all credit, now, as a writer! Smh!

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Wonderful article Bill. You have said it all here perfectly, so I have nothing to add. Well done.

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      Vikki 2 years ago from Central Illinois, USA

      Honesty will get you everywhere! I've been on HP for 3 or 4 years, and only just regained interest when I realized I needed writing samples. I'm not in it for the money, I just love to write, and I think that's really the gist of your article, right? I love that you laid it all out, and I soaked in every word.

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      mathira 2 years ago from chennai

      billy, a simple and yet very informative article about hub pages. Lots of my doubts have been clarified. I used to feel bad when my article was not featured, but you had an answer for that too.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Welcome Loretta. To answer your question, we don't know who liked our hub unless they comment on it. I've always wondered why they didn't add that feature.

      I write about life...that's how I started here...and I hit payout in my second month. It is possible to write about such things and make money, but it is rare.

      Best wishes to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donna, thank you so much. I appreciate the well-wishes.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Loretta, never fear. I have seen many mistakes on Hubs of the Day, so evidently grammar is not important in the scoring system.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you John. I appreciate you as always.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you BloNo Mom. Money? I have a passion for writing...that's it for me. Awards mean very little. Good to meet someone else who feels that way.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mathira, HP is not the writing god....they are a business. Believe in your writing and continue with my blessings. :)

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      Budoor Snober 2 years ago from Amman - Jordan

      nice hub, thank u for sharing those info i found it very useful, voted up .. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad, Budoor...thank you for visiting and commenting.

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      Sparklea 2 years ago from Upstate New York

      Billy buc: voted up, useful, awesome and interesting!

      This is a necessary write.

      You are so thoughtful to publish this helpful information for those of us who are members of Hub Pages -not to mention the ones who have recently joined. (I really do not understand why the articles are called 'hubs' either).

      When I mention Hub Pages to my friends, they immediately ask, "Hubs? What is a hub?"

      You continue to be an inspiration, I thank God I have met you through the hub pages.

      I have not been home all week, but I have kept your articles in my inbox to review and comment on.

      God bless you always...hope you, Bev, the quails, chickens, the dog and the cat are doing well. You continue to be on my daily prayer list.

      Sparklea :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lea, what a blessings you are. Thank you dear friend. All is well here. We are doubling the size of the quail run and then will buy more quail...evidently Bev thinks I am thirty years old and I don't get tired at all. LOL I love it but she won't hear me say it. :)

      Have a wonderful weekend, and thank you for bringing smiles into my life.

      bill

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      Suzette Walker 2 years ago from Taos, NM

      Great article, Bill! I'm with you, I don't always understand the whys and wherefores of Hub Pages, but I love writing here because of the writing community. This is the best place to write and the writing community makes it so pleasant. I love the feedback we give one another back and forth. Friendships have been made here by many. Voted up+ and shared!

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      Cynthia B Turner 2 years ago from Georgia

      Ah, told as it is here at Hubpages. I can never figure the why's or how's of the workings of Hubpages. Your site is up one day (my score has been as high as 100) and down another. Right now, my score sits at 87.

      I don't have enough articles to get the kind of traffic that would give me a regular check, but I have had a couple. And yeah, my cafe mocha

      coffee somehow tasted better! :)

      One day I will add more Hubs when I have a slow period (which I hope never comes, quite frankly). But the most important of all, Hubpages gives me the chance to read other writers like you who have so much to share. The value of the site should not be underestimated. Just this morning I've learned how to make a monogram moss wreath and read a few fantastic poems, even taken a trip vicariously. But I do keep hoping I will write that evergreen article that will get tons of traffic and I get a few really awesome payouts. 'Til then, I'll keep reading great articles like yours and look forward to increasing my own posts. Voted up and shared.

      Take care!

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      Neil Sperling 2 years ago from Port Dover Ontario Canada

      Great Hub - You Nailed it 118%

      The best part of HubPages is the community of writers. They are exceptional. There are some quality writers here, writers who take their craft seriously and who want to improve. There are writers who will support you and give you daily encouragement, and there are writers who will become valued friends. HP is a goldmine in this department. If you are not taking advantage of this free online love then you are really missing out.

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      dy0pxa 2 years ago

      I am new to Hub Pages and will put Hub on soon, but did not like Squidoo because it was hard to use. Hub Pages look a lot better.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzette, everything you said is true. It is people like you who keep me here and I love it. Thank you for your friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, I'm glad you are here, and if you are getting what you want out of HP, then fantastic. An evergreen, viral hub would sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath for yours truly. :0

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      All true, Neil, and that's why I'm here. I love it here and I will always sing its praises, regardless of the money or stupid scoring system. :) Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      dyOpxa, welcome to HP. If you have questions, reach out and ask. That's how we all learn.

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      summerberrie 2 years ago

      Nice and refreshing!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Summerberrie, so nice to see you again. Thank you! I hope you are doing well.

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Well said, Bill. The photo was funny. We're about to find out what the latest brainstorm (merger) will do to the writers here. I found it interesting in the blog post about the new "editing feature" what management says.

      "There is a common misconception: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. This does not apply to online content and is risky advice. In fact, Hubs that are receiving traffic are the ones that should be improved and updated more frequently to maintain their traffic. Traffic will fluctuate whether Hubs are edited or not, but we strongly believe that improving and updating Hubs will have a positive effect on reader satisfaction, which is highly correlated to the amount of traffic a Hub receives."

      Their views on "old school wisdom" are interesting, to say the least.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 2 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      How I missed this in my mails I don't know but you nailed HP in one! The community are what sticks out to me above all else. As someone who was new to the entire world of writing and online writing at that, HP was and is an incredible place to start and remain. I believe now there is definitely no rhyme or reason to many things such as hub scores, HOTD etc . . Many excellent writers are not encouraged supported or acknowledged with earnings as a bonus. If it were not for taking that plunge I would be so much poorer as I would not know you my friend.

      Many lovely genuine people here have I "met" and it has been quite a ride! Thanks Bill for the reality check and continue to do what you do as it matters.

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      Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

      I tried to comment on this hub twice from my smart phone, and both times the screen went blank. I'm not much of a subscriber to conspiracy theories but...

      Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned you are preaching to the choir. It would be nice if creativity could be encouraged a little bit in this venue, but I guess writers like you and I who like to inject a little originality into our work just have to learn to maneuver around the home field rules and hope for the best. Great hub!

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      Mary McShane 2 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

      265 comments and man, am I late to the party! It goes without saying that you are my favorite teacher and I don't think you could write a bad hub, er, article if you wanted to. While I was gone, it seems Hubpages has grown a new appendage so that we have a lot of new members. This article will help all of them if they are fortunate to find you. Although Hubpages is a mystery in its mechanics, it is the best site to hone one's skills.

      I love the mailbags you started and I won't comment on each and every one, but will leave you my congrats here. You have added quite a number of hubs (articles) in 2 months, not to mention followers. I am so glad to know you. :-)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peg, HP never fails to entertain me. I'm just stubborn enough to do it my own way, but then I really don't want what HP is selling anyway. Thank you for taking the time to visit my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Suzie. The only reason I even wrote this is because I love this site and the community, and I want to see it do better. I just wish someone at HP listened. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hope for the best indeed, Mel, and that's just the way it is. Still, I've found some great friends here, and HP does serve my purpose as a platform, so I've got nothing to really complain about. Thanks for being here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, that is a very nice thing for you to write and I thank you. I love this site because of people like you. Now if we could just get the HP management team to get on board the Love Train. :)

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Early on, I learned that the numbers on the articles(I feel the same) meant nothing. It all depends on what you put out, just like you said. I'm pretty sure that I'm a fairly decent writer, but I know that I could do much better on my own. I like the people, too!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for that, Deb. The day I need HP to tell me if my writing is any good is the day I better hang it up as a writer.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      I don't think I'll ever give up HubPages either. I haven't written in a while, but that's because I'm doing other things right now. I met some really awesome people here at HubPages. I can say, like you, I have received a lot of encouragement and if it weren't for the support I received here at HubPages, I probably would not feel confident enough even to write this post. HubPages is not perfect, but nothing ever is. In this case, for my wants, needs, and desires in life, HP is a good place to be.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It really is, Marlene. I have some major issues with the staff, but I will always love the community, and I greatly value friends like you.

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      B Lucy 2 years ago from Podunk, Virginia

      Thank you so much, billybuc, for telling it like it is! I found this site to be confusing and began worrying more about navigating it than focusing on my writing. But after a break, I realized I do miss the community. So, I'm back and focused on what's really important . . . being me!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      B Lucy, that is music to my ears. Write from your heart and don't let anyone change that. :)

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      Ladymermaid 2 years ago from Canada

      I am hoping it will be an okay platform for earnings. I've been on a high earning one and on an exceptionally low earning one so if Hubpages falls into a middle category I can accept that. Thank you for the honest appraisal.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ladymermaid, welcome to HP. The earnings are hard to predict here. I know some writers who write poetry and have never seen a payout. I know some writers who are SEO savvy and they make hundreds each month. Good luck to you.

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      Rosemary Terpolilli 2 years ago from San Antonio, Texas

      thanks for the honest assessment--so helpful for the new writers trying to get the proper expectations.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, Rosemary, and welcome to HubPages.

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      Elsie Hagley 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you for that interesting information. I will stop worrying about my score.

      I think that is were squidoo when wrong, members trying to make the top tiers to earn money and after all there were only 2000 places for tier one.

      Happy days writing, I'm one that really isn't interested in the money I get a lot of joy from the friends I have made around the world as a writer.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Elsie, if you enjoy writing, which you obviously do, then anything else is gravy in my opinion. Good to have you with us. Welcome to HP and thank you.

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      Genna East 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      “Two years and eight month at HubPages! That and four bucks will get you a good mocha from your favorite barista.” I love your sense of humor, Billy.

      “Before I continue, let me state without reservation that I love HubPages, and the reason for that love is the community of writers. I doubt I would be writing today if it were not for the wonderful writers who embraced me early and gave me support and encouragement.” I wholeheartedly agree. This has been my experience as well, and the reason I cherish “The Hub,” despite TPTB...those mysterious OZ-like beings who lurk behind the curtain, pressing buttons and keys amidst a program matrix that determines who gets what score, and whose “how-to” article will light up the screen for Hub of the Day. (Okay, I’m exaggerating…or rather, taking a little “creative license.” :-))

      “The Value of Hub Scores,” photo made me laugh…and I needed to laugh today. But this is what the hub is truly all about, isn’t it? For those of us who write for the joy of writing, and the of sharing this enjoyment with the community of writers of which I feel privileged to be a member.

      Terrific article, Billy! Voted up, much more, and shared.

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      Gail Sobotkin 2 years ago from South Carolina

      Lots of wisdom, good advice and humor in this article! I actually burst out laughing when I saw the photo illustrating the value of hub scores!!!

      Like you, I believe the best part of HubPages is the community of writers who support and encourage each other. Such give and take, and unselfish sharing of tips and craft is a true blessing to a writer, especially when followers and followees become true friends.

      You are a mentor and friend to many and I'm so glad I met you here and have been able to watch you grow as a writer.

      Hope you have a fabulous Labor Day Weekend.

      Hugs & Love to You and Bev,

      Gail

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      John Fisher 2 years ago from Easton, Pennsylvania

      Hey Billy, I think I've figured out how they score your Hubs. My article that probably gets absolutely the LEAST visits has a score of 99. Yet, my MOST visited article has a score in the high 60's. So, there seems to be an inverse relationship going on here. Kind of like the inverse proportion of the number of goldfish in a pond to the size of the pond (ie the bigger the pond, the fewer the fish, because when the pond is bigger the fish get bigger too, so fewer of them can live there).

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      Michele Kelsey 2 years ago from Edmond, Oklahoma

      Another great article Bill. I am baffled by my hub scores this past month. I typically don't pay much attention but this past month my lowest scoring hub is going to the top and vice versa in one day for no apparent reason. I'm assuming they are using a dart board scoring technique cuz Bryan and I can find no logic to the scores! Lol. Voted up and voted you as top hubber. Happy holiday weekend! :) btw if anyone knows what the heck is going on with the bipolar scoring of hubs I'd love to hear it. Lol. Ttyl. Michele :)

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      Jonathan McCloskey 2 years ago from Cinnaminson, New Jersey

      I can't say where my journey is going to end either, Bill, but this was definitely a great place to start and I've not regretted it since. The only thing I can think to do is the only thing that's ever mattered: write.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genna, above all else, I love this site and the writers who make it what it is. I have some serious issues with staff and management, but I stay here because of you and so many others. Thank you for always giving me a home away from home.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gail, I'm not sure how many know, but I do, that you were one of my first supporters when I wrote my first novel, and I do not forget loyalty like yours. Thank you so very much. You are a blessing to me.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pocono, I'm laughing. Your explanation makes as much sense as any in this silly scoring system. Thanks for the laugh.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michele, it's good to see you again. I hope you are well. I hope you stay in touch more often, and I'll try to do the same. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jon, I hope you never stop. You have talent....believe in it...trust in it...and for God's sake, keep writing! Thanks for your thoughts and friendship.

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      Mothers of Nations 2 years ago

      Great article! So very well said and of course very helpful as well. All great points!

      God bless you.

      Voted up & shared...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mothersofnations, thank you so much, and God bless you as well.

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      PurvisBobbi44 2 years ago from Florida

      Hi Billy,

      I voted up and awesome and I have a few questions for you:

      1. When are you putting in the elevator? It tires me out to travel all the way to the bottom. Stop being so popular!!!

      2. Did a Purple Monster poop in your yard?

      I too get ticked about my hubs being jumbled up and out of sorts. I don't know what they twisted, tweeted or turned, but I wish they would undo it. (Is this a venting place?)

      I can think of a few things I would like to twist, tweet and turn. My hubs are all featured---however, the good news stops there because my hubs that were 100s and still getting a lot of traffic are now in the 80's and 70's.

      And, I will shut my Southern Country Girl mouth---maybe.

      I wish you and yours a very nice Labor Day.

      Thanks Dr. Bill---I feel better now.

      Your Friend,

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      Great hub Billy! I wish I'd read it on day one before I got started, as I definitely made some of the newbie mistakes and groaned at the HOTD once or twice. Now I just feel like a member of the family and write for my own peace of mind.

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      Dbro 2 years ago from Texas, USA

      Hey, Billy!

      I enjoyed this article very much. I have been on HubPages for about 2 and a half years, and I find I agree very much with your assessment here. I'm a little chagrined that you seem to dismiss "how-to" articles, since that's the bulk of what I write about. I'm an artist, and I spend most of my energies on HubPages writing about art techniques. I do write a bit about inspiration, but that's such a personal thing. It's hard to write coherently about such things.

      Thanks for this article. I feel better about what I've done on this site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, you can stop by and rant any old time you want. Friends are welcome, especially those who I agree with. LOL Thanks my friend, and the workmen are working on that elevator as I write this.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DealForALiving, if you're groaning then you are a veteran here at HP. LOL Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dbro, I'm sorry if it appeared I was dismissing "how to" articles. I really didn't mean to do that. Those are what make money here at HP...that's a fact and I have nothing against them. I have problems with poorly-written articles, but that's a whole different ball of wax. :) Thanks for stopping by.

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      PurvisBobbi44 2 years ago from Florida

      Billy,

      You are such a joy to read, share and talk to about our views. You would make the best brother---I am sorry I did not have one.

      It is my honor to call you a friend.

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, what a very kind thing for you to say. My sister has passed on, so I'll gladly be your honorary brother. :) Thank you for bringing a smile to this old face.

      and it is my honor, Bobbi

      bill

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      Gustave Kilthau 2 years ago from USA

      billybuc -

      Gotta tell you how much I really appreciate your having written this article. There you were, a writer who was absolutely "full of it." Then you started pounding on your keyboard, and that was the way you selected to share some of what you were then so full of with the rest of us. Along came several gazillion writers who read your article. They felt as though they, too, were now "full of it."

      The whole deal was rather fun to wade through - sort of like a pool of happy waters swarming with thick schools of little fishies now all brained out.

      Sure am happy that I hung around here long enough for this one. I think it may be the first time around these parts that I looked at my computer screen and actually saw some honest-to-goodness facts.

      Good Friend (to all), you did well here.

      Gus :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gus, that may be one of the best comments I've received in a long time. You had me laughing my friend. Thank you always.

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      KawikaChann 2 years ago from Northwest, Hawaii, Anykine place

      hahahahaahhaahahah... Bill, oh my. I'd like to see the purple dragon that laid that one out - that pic is too funny.

      I am in total agreement with you about the forums, it can get nasty in there - but it's just one or two individuals that I 'cannot' stand reading anything they have to say.

      The chemistry in Hubpages has certainly changed a few times in the last couple of years, and you're 'spot-on' about HOTD. Sigh.

      I have moved on to other writing but I will always stop by once a day to keep a finger on the pulse of Hubpages.

      I wish I read this when I first started, I thought I would be making hundreds and hundreds of dollars!! Lol. Peace. Kawi.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kawi, I really appreciate you taking the time to visit and comment. If I see that purple dragon I'll send him your way. LOL I hope your "other writing" is going well. I still manage to find the time to work on novels plus HP, but I sense I may have to make a change soon. Anyway, thank you!

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      Ally Lewis 2 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      Thank you for all the tips you write about (and I feel silly calling hubs anything but "articles" as well). This site can definitely be frustrating at times, especially with the arbitrary nature of what gets published, featured, picked for accolades, etc. My ultimate goal is to become a writer and it makes me feel better to see writers on here like you with actual talent, an encouraging nudge, and a friendly warmth to make the HP process a little easier to muddle through. Your genuineness is unmatched!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ally, I think, without a doubt, the strength of this site is the community. We can all help each other if we choose to do so, and by doing so we all benefit. I'm glad you are here, and thank you.

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      Kathy McGraw 2 years ago from California

      I read this before but don't think I commented. This actually sounds a lot like Squidoo. "Don't expect to just come in and make money. Be a part of the community. Write good stuff, learn how to craft a page that will get found in the SE's. Don't cheat....etc etc."

      I am reading this again after your article on helping the newly transplanted writers. Still a good one.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Kathy! I really do appreciate it. The making money thing is a tough one. I know writers who do not interact with the community who make good money here...and others who are very active and supportive who have never seen a payout. At times it seems like a roll of the dice. :)

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      Guided Abundance 2 years ago from Mobile, AL

      I found the Niche Finder video very useful even though I don't write for earnings. It is still useful to know and I can take it into considerations when creating my titles.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, newbizmau. Best wishes to you in your writing career, and thank you.

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      Kristen Howe 23 months ago from Northeast Ohio

      Great hub Billy. This was an awesome topic. Lots of comments on this hub, my friend. I would love to get HOTD or Editor's Choice hubs someday. Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 23 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Kristen, it took me nearly three years to get a HOTD, so your time is coming. Thank you!

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      mikeydcarroll67 23 months ago

      One of the biggest things is to focus on writing more initially instead of following others. Having something for others to read when they show up on your profile.

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      Bill Holland 23 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Great point, mikey, and I agree with you....quality writing will eventually win people over. Thank you!

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      Barbara Radisavljevic 23 months ago from Templeton, CA

      Looks like I'm signed in under BarbRad today instead of under WannaB Writer. I don't really like having to have a split personality. Since I last commented, this Squidoo transfer account has been activated with 52 remaining hubs and a hubber score of 92. It has no awards or Editor's Choice hubs, yet I believe the quality of hubs matches that on my original account on which 71 of my hubs remain featured and my Hubber score is 94. That original account has one HOTD, 10 Editor's Choice hubs, and a Hubbie award, yet many of the hubs on the Squidoo transfer account are as well written. I rewrote most of the them to HubPages standards before I let them be transferred here. This makes me wonder if hubs on Squidoo transfer accounts are judged differently than older accounts.

      I realize I could make changes to get my unfeatured hubs featured again, but I'm tired of playing those games. If the powers that be unfeature hubs for lack of engagement, I will do what many others are doing and move them to where they can be seen. An unseen hub is not likely to get much engagement.

      I'm disappointed that HubPages is no longer what it used to be. I'm putting most new content on my own sites now. The writing communities are always changing their standards or disappearing and I'm tired of having to move work or retrieve it every time a site shuts down. I don't plan to take my work elsewhere if it's doing well here, but if it's not, I will find a better home for it. I'm tired of having to jump through new hoops every time Google burps. Jumping through all Squidoo's hoops in the last few months was simply a waste of time.

      Squidoo and HubPages have been great training grounds and I never want to lose contact with those I've met on these sites. I plan to remain here as long as the site is up, if I live that long. But I'm also ready to take what I've learned, spread my wings, and fly off to see what else is possible. I know many of my friends are doing the same.

      There are times when I think about adding a hub, but by the time I finish a day's work for my blogs, there's just no energy left to do more than read and comment on what others have written.

      I'm glad I came back to reread your post and all the new comments from the last ten months. I don't feel so bad about the big drop in earnings now. I've never sold anything through this site, but I did used to cash out every month or two in the good old days. Now I'm fortunate to cash out twice a year, especially since I have to keep my accounts separate. I just got my last payment at the end of May. The two payments before that were in April and September of 2014. The new account has never had a payout, and at its current rate of earning, it probably won't by its first anniversary date, September 4. That's in spite of having started with over 50 hubs in place.

      I don't know how my own sites will do yet. What I do know is that I won't be able to blame any other site if earnings are low.

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      Bill Holland 23 months ago from Olympia, WA

      BarbRad, thank you for your thoughts. I love your last line....eventually we set off on our own, and our success will be mainly because of our efforts and our ability. I love HP but only because of the community of writers. This is my brotherhood and I won't leave it....and as a platform it has helped me greatly. But earnings? What a joke!

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      frozenink 22 months ago

      I'll come clean. I started writing in HP because I like writing (or expressing myself) and intending to have some extra pocket money. But over time, following people and having followers are not steps for marketing or an attempt to earn more. It's more towards knowing that there are at least readers or supporters of my writings, and this means a lot. Of course, I am still hopeful to receive some revenue as I express my articles. But I think what's more important is the human element inherent within the community of HP. I guess that is why I am writing again after 3 years.

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      Bill Holland 22 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Frozenink, as long as you consider the human element most important when writing, you'll do fine. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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