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A Reality Check About HubPages

Updated on August 20, 2014

Two Years and Eight Months at HP

Two years and eight month at HubPages! That and four bucks will get you a good mocha from your favorite barista.

Seriously!

When I was thinking about writing this article (I refuse to call them Hubs), I was going to write it for the newbies who seem to be greatly confused about this site. The more I thought about it, though, I realized there are a great many writers here at HP who are veterans and are also confused. So this is for anyone who feels like reading it.

Before I continue, let me state without reservation that I love HubPages, and the reason for that love is the community of writers. I doubt I would be writing today if it were not for the wonderful writers who embraced me early and gave me support and encouragement. I certainly would not be here today because of the HP staff. I’m sure they are all nice people, but I find them lacking a bit in the encouragement department.

So let’s begin. I’m going to give you some thoughts on random subjects, and hopefully some of it will be helpful to you.

Your average HP reader
Your average HP reader | Source

Understanding the Site Called Hubpages

HubPages is an online community of writers run by online marketing experts. I doubt, seriously, that the staff knows any more about writing than the average writer on HP, but they do know how to market their site. They do know how to turn a profit through that marketing, and they do know how the internet, and in particular Google, works.

HP makes its money from advertising. The more views your articles gather, the more money HP makes. Quality writing does not really enter into this discussion, folks. HP is concerned only with whether your article is written in such a way that it will do well on the search engines. Do not confuse good writing with good search engine results. They are not always the same. You could write a short story that rivals in every way the best writing of Steinbeck or Hemingway, and there is a very real possibility that it would bomb on HubPages. That’s just the reality of the system. Live with it or move to another site. Your choice.

The value of Hub scores
The value of Hub scores | Source

Hub Scores and Hubber Scores

As my dad used to say, what a bunch of malarkey!

I’m sure there are some, out there, who understand this ridiculous scoring system. I’m also sure there are those who grasp the significance of it all. I do not.

I admit to being slightly amused by those who take this so seriously. Let me be as clear as possible on this point: your Hub scores and your Hubber scores have absolutely nothing to do with your abilities as a writer. Writers like e.e. cummings would probably have a negative Hubber score on HP. Shakespeare might score in the 70s. Harper Lee? No chance…give that woman a 50 and send her on her way.

Quit taking your scores so seriously, folks. They mean nothing. I can picture the HP staff sitting in their offices throwing darts at a dart board for each HP writer. Whatever number they hit with the dart is that writer’s Hubber score.

Concentrate on being a better writer. At least then you will have some control over the outcome.

FEATURED HUBS

I have no idea. Plain and simple truth. A featured Hub meets some criteria, and those criteria make the Hub gods and the Google gods happy. Beyond that I see no importance in them at all.

HUB OF THE DAY

Again, I have no idea. I have seen some HOTDs that had grammar errors throughout, and appeared to be written by a fifth grader on crack, and yet they won the award. Your guess is as good as mine.

Making Money on Hp

Good luck!

No, seriously, it is possible. The more views, the more money made, and the more ads on your Hubs that are clicked, the more money made. It is possible to make hundreds each month. It is also possible to write for a year and never see a payout.

It is also possible to have a thing called Panda stroll through the building and wipe away all of your hard work. In the past two months I have seen my earnings drop by 64%. I have changed nothing in the way I write, and happily I can report I don’t care too much about HP earnings, but still, it makes you wonder.

Good luck!

Now that HP has taken over Squidoo, I’m sure we’ll see our incomes increase dramatically.

Good luck!

Favorite Hp Topics

If you are serious about making money on HP, then play their game. Write “how to” articles. Write recipes. Write travel articles and DIY articles and make sure you toss in a craft article or fifty. HP and the Google gods love those types of articles. The reading online public loves those articles. We live in an age where education is scoffed at because everything you could ever want to know about life can be found online in articles, so write those articles and you, too, can become the Golden Boy, or Girl, of HP.

How to Get Followers and Comments?

This is a no-brainer. If you want other writers to follow you and comment, then you need to do the same. Period!

I am amused, almost daily, by some new writer who follows me. I go to their profile page and it reads something like this:

Started: four days ago

Hubs written: 1

Followers: 2

Following: 2.030.

If you are new to HubPages, stop doing this. It is a complete waste of time. Following hundreds of Hubbers, when you first start out, simply labels you as insincere and a dufus. You gain no brownie points by doing so. You do not become teacher’s pet by doing so. You simply look foolish.

FORUMS

If you like controversy, and you don’t get enough rudeness in real life, then hang out in the forums for an afternoon.

Just a little humor. There are some great topics in the forums, and there are some serious-minded people with wonderful viewpoints there.

There are also some rude people there, people who have nothing better to do than practice name-calling. They are the schoolyard bullies who grew up. They are small in number but they are strong in mouth. If you enjoy that kind of banter then, by all means, rush to the forums.

THE BEST PART OF HUBPAGES?

This one is easy, and if you haven’t discovered it yet, then get with it.

The best part of HubPages is the community of writers. They are exceptional. There are some quality writers here, writers who take their craft seriously and who want to improve. There are writers who will support you and give you daily encouragement, and there are writers who will become valued friends. HP is a goldmine in this department. If you are not taking advantage of this free online love then you are really missing out.

A satisfied HP writer
A satisfied HP writer | Source

There’s More but I Don’t Feel like Continuing

Much to the chagrin of the HP staff, I plan on staying here at HubPages. I love my online friends, and I know they feel the same about me.

When I first started out as a freelance writer, HP was part of my platform. It was a stepping stone to bigger things. Now, though, it is an important part of my life, and I can’t imagine leaving. I sense I’ll have to cut back on my participation soon because novel-writing is calling me, but I’ll be here as long as HP survives the online battle. I hope that is a very long time.

Oh, before I go, I want to answer a question someone asked me. "What is my biggest disappointment on HubPages?

The answer is a simple one. HubPages could be so much more than they are. I hope they come to realize that at some point.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Frozenink, as long as you consider the human element most important when writing, you'll do fine. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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      frozenink 2 years ago

      I'll come clean. I started writing in HP because I like writing (or expressing myself) and intending to have some extra pocket money. But over time, following people and having followers are not steps for marketing or an attempt to earn more. It's more towards knowing that there are at least readers or supporters of my writings, and this means a lot. Of course, I am still hopeful to receive some revenue as I express my articles. But I think what's more important is the human element inherent within the community of HP. I guess that is why I am writing again after 3 years.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      BarbRad, thank you for your thoughts. I love your last line....eventually we set off on our own, and our success will be mainly because of our efforts and our ability. I love HP but only because of the community of writers. This is my brotherhood and I won't leave it....and as a platform it has helped me greatly. But earnings? What a joke!

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      Barbara Radisavljevic 2 years ago from Templeton, CA

      Looks like I'm signed in under BarbRad today instead of under WannaB Writer. I don't really like having to have a split personality. Since I last commented, this Squidoo transfer account has been activated with 52 remaining hubs and a hubber score of 92. It has no awards or Editor's Choice hubs, yet I believe the quality of hubs matches that on my original account on which 71 of my hubs remain featured and my Hubber score is 94. That original account has one HOTD, 10 Editor's Choice hubs, and a Hubbie award, yet many of the hubs on the Squidoo transfer account are as well written. I rewrote most of the them to HubPages standards before I let them be transferred here. This makes me wonder if hubs on Squidoo transfer accounts are judged differently than older accounts.

      I realize I could make changes to get my unfeatured hubs featured again, but I'm tired of playing those games. If the powers that be unfeature hubs for lack of engagement, I will do what many others are doing and move them to where they can be seen. An unseen hub is not likely to get much engagement.

      I'm disappointed that HubPages is no longer what it used to be. I'm putting most new content on my own sites now. The writing communities are always changing their standards or disappearing and I'm tired of having to move work or retrieve it every time a site shuts down. I don't plan to take my work elsewhere if it's doing well here, but if it's not, I will find a better home for it. I'm tired of having to jump through new hoops every time Google burps. Jumping through all Squidoo's hoops in the last few months was simply a waste of time.

      Squidoo and HubPages have been great training grounds and I never want to lose contact with those I've met on these sites. I plan to remain here as long as the site is up, if I live that long. But I'm also ready to take what I've learned, spread my wings, and fly off to see what else is possible. I know many of my friends are doing the same.

      There are times when I think about adding a hub, but by the time I finish a day's work for my blogs, there's just no energy left to do more than read and comment on what others have written.

      I'm glad I came back to reread your post and all the new comments from the last ten months. I don't feel so bad about the big drop in earnings now. I've never sold anything through this site, but I did used to cash out every month or two in the good old days. Now I'm fortunate to cash out twice a year, especially since I have to keep my accounts separate. I just got my last payment at the end of May. The two payments before that were in April and September of 2014. The new account has never had a payout, and at its current rate of earning, it probably won't by its first anniversary date, September 4. That's in spite of having started with over 50 hubs in place.

      I don't know how my own sites will do yet. What I do know is that I won't be able to blame any other site if earnings are low.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Great point, mikey, and I agree with you....quality writing will eventually win people over. Thank you!

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      mikeydcarroll67 2 years ago

      One of the biggest things is to focus on writing more initially instead of following others. Having something for others to read when they show up on your profile.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kristen, it took me nearly three years to get a HOTD, so your time is coming. Thank you!

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      Kristen Howe 2 years ago from Northeast Ohio

      Great hub Billy. This was an awesome topic. Lots of comments on this hub, my friend. I would love to get HOTD or Editor's Choice hubs someday. Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, newbizmau. Best wishes to you in your writing career, and thank you.

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      Guided Abundance 2 years ago from Mobile, AL

      I found the Niche Finder video very useful even though I don't write for earnings. It is still useful to know and I can take it into considerations when creating my titles.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Kathy! I really do appreciate it. The making money thing is a tough one. I know writers who do not interact with the community who make good money here...and others who are very active and supportive who have never seen a payout. At times it seems like a roll of the dice. :)

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      Kathy McGraw 2 years ago from California

      I read this before but don't think I commented. This actually sounds a lot like Squidoo. "Don't expect to just come in and make money. Be a part of the community. Write good stuff, learn how to craft a page that will get found in the SE's. Don't cheat....etc etc."

      I am reading this again after your article on helping the newly transplanted writers. Still a good one.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ally, I think, without a doubt, the strength of this site is the community. We can all help each other if we choose to do so, and by doing so we all benefit. I'm glad you are here, and thank you.

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      Ally Lewis 2 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      Thank you for all the tips you write about (and I feel silly calling hubs anything but "articles" as well). This site can definitely be frustrating at times, especially with the arbitrary nature of what gets published, featured, picked for accolades, etc. My ultimate goal is to become a writer and it makes me feel better to see writers on here like you with actual talent, an encouraging nudge, and a friendly warmth to make the HP process a little easier to muddle through. Your genuineness is unmatched!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kawi, I really appreciate you taking the time to visit and comment. If I see that purple dragon I'll send him your way. LOL I hope your "other writing" is going well. I still manage to find the time to work on novels plus HP, but I sense I may have to make a change soon. Anyway, thank you!

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      KawikaChann 2 years ago from Northwest, Hawaii, Anykine place

      hahahahaahhaahahah... Bill, oh my. I'd like to see the purple dragon that laid that one out - that pic is too funny.

      I am in total agreement with you about the forums, it can get nasty in there - but it's just one or two individuals that I 'cannot' stand reading anything they have to say.

      The chemistry in Hubpages has certainly changed a few times in the last couple of years, and you're 'spot-on' about HOTD. Sigh.

      I have moved on to other writing but I will always stop by once a day to keep a finger on the pulse of Hubpages.

      I wish I read this when I first started, I thought I would be making hundreds and hundreds of dollars!! Lol. Peace. Kawi.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gus, that may be one of the best comments I've received in a long time. You had me laughing my friend. Thank you always.

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      Gustave Kilthau 2 years ago from USA

      billybuc -

      Gotta tell you how much I really appreciate your having written this article. There you were, a writer who was absolutely "full of it." Then you started pounding on your keyboard, and that was the way you selected to share some of what you were then so full of with the rest of us. Along came several gazillion writers who read your article. They felt as though they, too, were now "full of it."

      The whole deal was rather fun to wade through - sort of like a pool of happy waters swarming with thick schools of little fishies now all brained out.

      Sure am happy that I hung around here long enough for this one. I think it may be the first time around these parts that I looked at my computer screen and actually saw some honest-to-goodness facts.

      Good Friend (to all), you did well here.

      Gus :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, what a very kind thing for you to say. My sister has passed on, so I'll gladly be your honorary brother. :) Thank you for bringing a smile to this old face.

      and it is my honor, Bobbi

      bill

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      PurvisBobbi44 2 years ago from Florida

      Billy,

      You are such a joy to read, share and talk to about our views. You would make the best brother---I am sorry I did not have one.

      It is my honor to call you a friend.

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dbro, I'm sorry if it appeared I was dismissing "how to" articles. I really didn't mean to do that. Those are what make money here at HP...that's a fact and I have nothing against them. I have problems with poorly-written articles, but that's a whole different ball of wax. :) Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DealForALiving, if you're groaning then you are a veteran here at HP. LOL Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobbi, you can stop by and rant any old time you want. Friends are welcome, especially those who I agree with. LOL Thanks my friend, and the workmen are working on that elevator as I write this.

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      Dbro 2 years ago from Texas, USA

      Hey, Billy!

      I enjoyed this article very much. I have been on HubPages for about 2 and a half years, and I find I agree very much with your assessment here. I'm a little chagrined that you seem to dismiss "how-to" articles, since that's the bulk of what I write about. I'm an artist, and I spend most of my energies on HubPages writing about art techniques. I do write a bit about inspiration, but that's such a personal thing. It's hard to write coherently about such things.

      Thanks for this article. I feel better about what I've done on this site.

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      Great hub Billy! I wish I'd read it on day one before I got started, as I definitely made some of the newbie mistakes and groaned at the HOTD once or twice. Now I just feel like a member of the family and write for my own peace of mind.

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      PurvisBobbi44 2 years ago from Florida

      Hi Billy,

      I voted up and awesome and I have a few questions for you:

      1. When are you putting in the elevator? It tires me out to travel all the way to the bottom. Stop being so popular!!!

      2. Did a Purple Monster poop in your yard?

      I too get ticked about my hubs being jumbled up and out of sorts. I don't know what they twisted, tweeted or turned, but I wish they would undo it. (Is this a venting place?)

      I can think of a few things I would like to twist, tweet and turn. My hubs are all featured---however, the good news stops there because my hubs that were 100s and still getting a lot of traffic are now in the 80's and 70's.

      And, I will shut my Southern Country Girl mouth---maybe.

      I wish you and yours a very nice Labor Day.

      Thanks Dr. Bill---I feel better now.

      Your Friend,

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mothersofnations, thank you so much, and God bless you as well.

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      Mothers of Nations 2 years ago

      Great article! So very well said and of course very helpful as well. All great points!

      God bless you.

      Voted up & shared...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jon, I hope you never stop. You have talent....believe in it...trust in it...and for God's sake, keep writing! Thanks for your thoughts and friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michele, it's good to see you again. I hope you are well. I hope you stay in touch more often, and I'll try to do the same. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pocono, I'm laughing. Your explanation makes as much sense as any in this silly scoring system. Thanks for the laugh.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gail, I'm not sure how many know, but I do, that you were one of my first supporters when I wrote my first novel, and I do not forget loyalty like yours. Thank you so very much. You are a blessing to me.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genna, above all else, I love this site and the writers who make it what it is. I have some serious issues with staff and management, but I stay here because of you and so many others. Thank you for always giving me a home away from home.

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      Jonathan McCloskey 2 years ago from Cinnaminson, New Jersey

      I can't say where my journey is going to end either, Bill, but this was definitely a great place to start and I've not regretted it since. The only thing I can think to do is the only thing that's ever mattered: write.

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      Michele Kelsey 2 years ago from Edmond, Oklahoma

      Another great article Bill. I am baffled by my hub scores this past month. I typically don't pay much attention but this past month my lowest scoring hub is going to the top and vice versa in one day for no apparent reason. I'm assuming they are using a dart board scoring technique cuz Bryan and I can find no logic to the scores! Lol. Voted up and voted you as top hubber. Happy holiday weekend! :) btw if anyone knows what the heck is going on with the bipolar scoring of hubs I'd love to hear it. Lol. Ttyl. Michele :)

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      John Fisher 2 years ago from Easton, Pennsylvania

      Hey Billy, I think I've figured out how they score your Hubs. My article that probably gets absolutely the LEAST visits has a score of 99. Yet, my MOST visited article has a score in the high 60's. So, there seems to be an inverse relationship going on here. Kind of like the inverse proportion of the number of goldfish in a pond to the size of the pond (ie the bigger the pond, the fewer the fish, because when the pond is bigger the fish get bigger too, so fewer of them can live there).

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      Gail Sobotkin 2 years ago from South Carolina

      Lots of wisdom, good advice and humor in this article! I actually burst out laughing when I saw the photo illustrating the value of hub scores!!!

      Like you, I believe the best part of HubPages is the community of writers who support and encourage each other. Such give and take, and unselfish sharing of tips and craft is a true blessing to a writer, especially when followers and followees become true friends.

      You are a mentor and friend to many and I'm so glad I met you here and have been able to watch you grow as a writer.

      Hope you have a fabulous Labor Day Weekend.

      Hugs & Love to You and Bev,

      Gail

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      Genna East 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      “Two years and eight month at HubPages! That and four bucks will get you a good mocha from your favorite barista.” I love your sense of humor, Billy.

      “Before I continue, let me state without reservation that I love HubPages, and the reason for that love is the community of writers. I doubt I would be writing today if it were not for the wonderful writers who embraced me early and gave me support and encouragement.” I wholeheartedly agree. This has been my experience as well, and the reason I cherish “The Hub,” despite TPTB...those mysterious OZ-like beings who lurk behind the curtain, pressing buttons and keys amidst a program matrix that determines who gets what score, and whose “how-to” article will light up the screen for Hub of the Day. (Okay, I’m exaggerating…or rather, taking a little “creative license.” :-))

      “The Value of Hub Scores,” photo made me laugh…and I needed to laugh today. But this is what the hub is truly all about, isn’t it? For those of us who write for the joy of writing, and the of sharing this enjoyment with the community of writers of which I feel privileged to be a member.

      Terrific article, Billy! Voted up, much more, and shared.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Elsie, if you enjoy writing, which you obviously do, then anything else is gravy in my opinion. Good to have you with us. Welcome to HP and thank you.

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      Elsie Hagley 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you for that interesting information. I will stop worrying about my score.

      I think that is were squidoo when wrong, members trying to make the top tiers to earn money and after all there were only 2000 places for tier one.

      Happy days writing, I'm one that really isn't interested in the money I get a lot of joy from the friends I have made around the world as a writer.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, Rosemary, and welcome to HubPages.

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      Rosemary Terpolilli 2 years ago from San Antonio, Texas

      thanks for the honest assessment--so helpful for the new writers trying to get the proper expectations.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ladymermaid, welcome to HP. The earnings are hard to predict here. I know some writers who write poetry and have never seen a payout. I know some writers who are SEO savvy and they make hundreds each month. Good luck to you.

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      Ladymermaid 2 years ago from Canada

      I am hoping it will be an okay platform for earnings. I've been on a high earning one and on an exceptionally low earning one so if Hubpages falls into a middle category I can accept that. Thank you for the honest appraisal.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      B Lucy, that is music to my ears. Write from your heart and don't let anyone change that. :)

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      B Lucy 2 years ago from Podunk, Virginia

      Thank you so much, billybuc, for telling it like it is! I found this site to be confusing and began worrying more about navigating it than focusing on my writing. But after a break, I realized I do miss the community. So, I'm back and focused on what's really important . . . being me!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It really is, Marlene. I have some major issues with the staff, but I will always love the community, and I greatly value friends like you.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      I don't think I'll ever give up HubPages either. I haven't written in a while, but that's because I'm doing other things right now. I met some really awesome people here at HubPages. I can say, like you, I have received a lot of encouragement and if it weren't for the support I received here at HubPages, I probably would not feel confident enough even to write this post. HubPages is not perfect, but nothing ever is. In this case, for my wants, needs, and desires in life, HP is a good place to be.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for that, Deb. The day I need HP to tell me if my writing is any good is the day I better hang it up as a writer.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Early on, I learned that the numbers on the articles(I feel the same) meant nothing. It all depends on what you put out, just like you said. I'm pretty sure that I'm a fairly decent writer, but I know that I could do much better on my own. I like the people, too!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, that is a very nice thing for you to write and I thank you. I love this site because of people like you. Now if we could just get the HP management team to get on board the Love Train. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hope for the best indeed, Mel, and that's just the way it is. Still, I've found some great friends here, and HP does serve my purpose as a platform, so I've got nothing to really complain about. Thanks for being here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Suzie. The only reason I even wrote this is because I love this site and the community, and I want to see it do better. I just wish someone at HP listened. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peg, HP never fails to entertain me. I'm just stubborn enough to do it my own way, but then I really don't want what HP is selling anyway. Thank you for taking the time to visit my friend.

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      Mary McShane 2 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

      265 comments and man, am I late to the party! It goes without saying that you are my favorite teacher and I don't think you could write a bad hub, er, article if you wanted to. While I was gone, it seems Hubpages has grown a new appendage so that we have a lot of new members. This article will help all of them if they are fortunate to find you. Although Hubpages is a mystery in its mechanics, it is the best site to hone one's skills.

      I love the mailbags you started and I won't comment on each and every one, but will leave you my congrats here. You have added quite a number of hubs (articles) in 2 months, not to mention followers. I am so glad to know you. :-)

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      Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

      I tried to comment on this hub twice from my smart phone, and both times the screen went blank. I'm not much of a subscriber to conspiracy theories but...

      Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned you are preaching to the choir. It would be nice if creativity could be encouraged a little bit in this venue, but I guess writers like you and I who like to inject a little originality into our work just have to learn to maneuver around the home field rules and hope for the best. Great hub!

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 2 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      How I missed this in my mails I don't know but you nailed HP in one! The community are what sticks out to me above all else. As someone who was new to the entire world of writing and online writing at that, HP was and is an incredible place to start and remain. I believe now there is definitely no rhyme or reason to many things such as hub scores, HOTD etc . . Many excellent writers are not encouraged supported or acknowledged with earnings as a bonus. If it were not for taking that plunge I would be so much poorer as I would not know you my friend.

      Many lovely genuine people here have I "met" and it has been quite a ride! Thanks Bill for the reality check and continue to do what you do as it matters.

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Well said, Bill. The photo was funny. We're about to find out what the latest brainstorm (merger) will do to the writers here. I found it interesting in the blog post about the new "editing feature" what management says.

      "There is a common misconception: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. This does not apply to online content and is risky advice. In fact, Hubs that are receiving traffic are the ones that should be improved and updated more frequently to maintain their traffic. Traffic will fluctuate whether Hubs are edited or not, but we strongly believe that improving and updating Hubs will have a positive effect on reader satisfaction, which is highly correlated to the amount of traffic a Hub receives."

      Their views on "old school wisdom" are interesting, to say the least.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Summerberrie, so nice to see you again. Thank you! I hope you are doing well.

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      summerberrie 2 years ago

      Nice and refreshing!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      dyOpxa, welcome to HP. If you have questions, reach out and ask. That's how we all learn.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      All true, Neil, and that's why I'm here. I love it here and I will always sing its praises, regardless of the money or stupid scoring system. :) Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, I'm glad you are here, and if you are getting what you want out of HP, then fantastic. An evergreen, viral hub would sure be nice, but I'm not holding my breath for yours truly. :0

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzette, everything you said is true. It is people like you who keep me here and I love it. Thank you for your friendship.

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      dy0pxa 2 years ago

      I am new to Hub Pages and will put Hub on soon, but did not like Squidoo because it was hard to use. Hub Pages look a lot better.

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      Neil Sperling 2 years ago from Port Dover Ontario Canada

      Great Hub - You Nailed it 118%

      The best part of HubPages is the community of writers. They are exceptional. There are some quality writers here, writers who take their craft seriously and who want to improve. There are writers who will support you and give you daily encouragement, and there are writers who will become valued friends. HP is a goldmine in this department. If you are not taking advantage of this free online love then you are really missing out.

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      Cynthia B Turner 2 years ago from Georgia

      Ah, told as it is here at Hubpages. I can never figure the why's or how's of the workings of Hubpages. Your site is up one day (my score has been as high as 100) and down another. Right now, my score sits at 87.

      I don't have enough articles to get the kind of traffic that would give me a regular check, but I have had a couple. And yeah, my cafe mocha

      coffee somehow tasted better! :)

      One day I will add more Hubs when I have a slow period (which I hope never comes, quite frankly). But the most important of all, Hubpages gives me the chance to read other writers like you who have so much to share. The value of the site should not be underestimated. Just this morning I've learned how to make a monogram moss wreath and read a few fantastic poems, even taken a trip vicariously. But I do keep hoping I will write that evergreen article that will get tons of traffic and I get a few really awesome payouts. 'Til then, I'll keep reading great articles like yours and look forward to increasing my own posts. Voted up and shared.

      Take care!

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      Suzette Walker 2 years ago from Taos, NM

      Great article, Bill! I'm with you, I don't always understand the whys and wherefores of Hub Pages, but I love writing here because of the writing community. This is the best place to write and the writing community makes it so pleasant. I love the feedback we give one another back and forth. Friendships have been made here by many. Voted up+ and shared!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lea, what a blessings you are. Thank you dear friend. All is well here. We are doubling the size of the quail run and then will buy more quail...evidently Bev thinks I am thirty years old and I don't get tired at all. LOL I love it but she won't hear me say it. :)

      Have a wonderful weekend, and thank you for bringing smiles into my life.

      bill

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      Sparklea 2 years ago from Upstate New York

      Billy buc: voted up, useful, awesome and interesting!

      This is a necessary write.

      You are so thoughtful to publish this helpful information for those of us who are members of Hub Pages -not to mention the ones who have recently joined. (I really do not understand why the articles are called 'hubs' either).

      When I mention Hub Pages to my friends, they immediately ask, "Hubs? What is a hub?"

      You continue to be an inspiration, I thank God I have met you through the hub pages.

      I have not been home all week, but I have kept your articles in my inbox to review and comment on.

      God bless you always...hope you, Bev, the quails, chickens, the dog and the cat are doing well. You continue to be on my daily prayer list.

      Sparklea :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad, Budoor...thank you for visiting and commenting.

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      Budoor Snober 2 years ago from Amman - Jordan

      nice hub, thank u for sharing those info i found it very useful, voted up .. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mathira, HP is not the writing god....they are a business. Believe in your writing and continue with my blessings. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you BloNo Mom. Money? I have a passion for writing...that's it for me. Awards mean very little. Good to meet someone else who feels that way.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you John. I appreciate you as always.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Loretta, never fear. I have seen many mistakes on Hubs of the Day, so evidently grammar is not important in the scoring system.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donna, thank you so much. I appreciate the well-wishes.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Welcome Loretta. To answer your question, we don't know who liked our hub unless they comment on it. I've always wondered why they didn't add that feature.

      I write about life...that's how I started here...and I hit payout in my second month. It is possible to write about such things and make money, but it is rare.

      Best wishes to you.

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      mathira 2 years ago from chennai

      billy, a simple and yet very informative article about hub pages. Lots of my doubts have been clarified. I used to feel bad when my article was not featured, but you had an answer for that too.

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      Vikki 2 years ago from Central Illinois, USA

      Honesty will get you everywhere! I've been on HP for 3 or 4 years, and only just regained interest when I realized I needed writing samples. I'm not in it for the money, I just love to write, and I think that's really the gist of your article, right? I love that you laid it all out, and I soaked in every word.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Wonderful article Bill. You have said it all here perfectly, so I have nothing to add. Well done.

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      Loretta Livingstone 2 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Oh dear. I have edited and edited my typos in the above comment, but it appears that they still remain. Doh! So I have probably lost all credit, now, as a writer! Smh!

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      Donna Nitz Muller 2 years ago from 509 Pluto Court

      I enjoyed this hub. Thank you and good luck with your novel writing.

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      Loretta Livingstone 2 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Well, I just joined from Squidoo - mainly because those of my lenses there which are imoortant to me are the ones which feature events from my own life. A sort of published diary. I never uad much time to write lenses as I am also writing books and struggling with health issues. I got attached to my lenses and was hoping to transfer them here just to ensure that, somewhere in this big, wide world, they still exist. Having read this, it appears that a big group of pandas will probably eat them for breakfast. I think I may have to publish my best ones on my own website instead, as blogs. That way, no one but me can wipe them out. Looks as though anything I publish here had better be pretty unsentimental, lol. Thanks for ypur summary. It appears to he much like Squidoo.

      Having read the intro blurb, I thought that HP were concerned with the quality of writing, and was pretty excited, but it looks as though that ain't the case. I don't have the energy to interact much on here as I suffer from a long-term, debilitating illness. Oh well. I'll publish a few hubs, but not expect mich from them. And I'll hang around when I'm able. A question, though. In Squidoo, when someone liked your lens, you could see who it was. Is that the case here? Sorry, I guess I shoild look at a forum for that, but I commented omce on a forum and haven't been able to unsubscribe from it, so I guess I will be getting 10-20 emails a day from that forum for the rest of my HP life. It has discouraged me from writing on other forums. Anyway, I look forward to reading the hubs of others. And thank you for your honest assessment.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Seanspage....I write for a living, so I have a lot of time in front of the computer. :)

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      Sean H 2 years ago from USA

      A little bit irrelevant, but this is very inspiring to see that you have been very prolific with your hub writing. I struggle to write even one hub per 1 or 2 weeks but yet you seem to manage writing around 4 or 5 hubs. On a more relevant side, Awesome and believe it or not very useful article!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, PCB...thank you!

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      Aloke Gupta 2 years ago from India

      Awesome. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you misterhollywood, and I appreciate the follow.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Beth, thank you. I agree across the board, and I have no idea what Panda is, but that bugger took a chunk of my earnings this last time and I'm hunting for him now.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzanne, any time I can tickle someone's fancy, my work is done. :) Thank you so much. Glad you like the photo. LOL

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      John Hollywood 2 years ago from Hollywood, CA

      Great article and I thought this was a very informative bit of information. I never really understood those Hub Scores!!

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      Beth Perry 2 years ago from Tennesee

      billybuc, thank you for the humorously brutal HONESTY!!

      I don't keep up with Hub scores. I haven't become wealthy here. I am still wondering what the h*ll Panda is. Sometimes I am sickened by the in-bickering that can go on. And if I NEVER see another Atheist VS Believers debate here will be one fine, fine day. But all that aside, I like coming and being able to post practically anything I want. And I appreciate the articulate and informative writers that can be found here.

      Voted up and awesome!

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      Suzanne Day 2 years ago from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

      Absolutely hilarious and love the photo of the hub scores! A great user friendly guide and I enjoyed reading all of it, your sense of humour tickles my fancy. Voted funny and up and liked everywhere I've seen it!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      WannaB, welcome back full-time and thank you. It will be interesting to see how the lenses equate to hubs, but I'm sure you'll have it all figured out soon enough. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, this one definitely was timed right with the acquisition of Squidoo. Lots of new writers wondering what this HP thing is all about. I don't get this lucky with every hub.

      Good to hear from you again my friend. Sending hugs to you and your family, and those angels are flapping their wings eastward.

      bill....and the chicks are fine, thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, unfortunately, your writing does not equate well with making money on HP, but you still a very good writer who is well-worth reading.

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      Barbara Radisavljevic 2 years ago from Templeton, CA

      A thoroughly enjoyable read and rated up. After all the work I'm putting into getting lenses ready to be hubs this week, HubPages better stick around long enough for my new account as BarbRad has a chance to get established. It should get off to a much faster start that the account I'm commenting under now.

      I was so busy at Squidoo back then I hardly got over to write much here for the first two years. I'm on pins and needles waiting to see what hubs written as Squidoo lenses will look like here. Kind of like trying to get a live theatre production on a small screen.

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Good grief, Bill

      A half an hour later I got to the end of the comments!!! This one was a hit as are most of yours.

      You shared some honest observations...HubPages is an interesting site and I have made friends here that I care about,

      For me it is about the Peeps, for sure.

      I often wondered about Hub of the Day...I was told one of my articles was being considered (months ago) ...I was asked to change it somewhat and I politely declined.(really it was politely) No HOTD for me

      And the sun came up the next day.

      I still love HubPages but am not as active as I was due to family concerns and writing on another site but I will always come back and check in with those of you with whom I have found a connection.

      Angels are on the way to you and Deb and by the way , how are the chicks.?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Terrie, welcome to HP. If I can be of any help I will do what I can. Ask questions if you have them.