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Are You A Giver Or A Taker On HubPages?

Updated on April 13, 2013

A BEWILDERED HUBBER


I recently received an email notification that I had a new follower. I’m always excited when that happens, so I dropped what I was doing and “raced” over to their site to find out more about this newcomer.

I discovered that she had two followers, that she was following 454 Hubbers and she had not written a Hub yet.

May I ask….what is the damn point?

And no, this is not the first time this has happened. The holder of the record so far was a newbie who was following 1,105 Hubbers and had not even done a profile yet. What did he do, stay up all night befriending people?

Seriously, what is the point?

There are no prizes given on HubPages for he or she who follows the most people. Our income is not based on the number of Hubbers we follow, so what the hell is the point?

This is not an isolated incident. As I look at the 1,400 followers I have, I am willing to bet that only one-hundred of them comment on my Hubs on a regular basis. No, I am not grumbling about the lack of following; I just don’t see the point.

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MORE BEWILDERMENT


Then there are those who belong to Facebook groups and constantly hawk their work but never share the works of any other Hubbers. And then we have those who can’t be bothered to respond when you leave a comment on their Hub. And then….and then…..and then!

Here is where I get confused. HubPages is a COMMUNITY of writers who interact, give encouragement and offer suggestions when wanted. We are each other’s cheerleaders. In a very lonely profession we are the voices of reason and we are the pep-talkers who give much-needed pats on the back.

However, by the very nature of the beast, HubPages offers writers a platform where their work is instantly transported into the Internet where it can be seen by millions and possibly earn money for the writer. As such, some writers must see HP only as a platform and not a community at all.

And quite frankly I think they are missing the boat with that attitude.

Even HubPages, that money-grabbing Big Brother that lives for the financial bottom line, sees the advantages of supporting one another. Why else would they give awards each year to supportive and helpful Hubbers?

I WANT TO HELP YOU


Anyone who knows me knows that I mean it when I say it. If you need help….if you have questions….I am more than happy to help any of you. All you have to do is ask. I share what I know in hopes that it will benefit you all. I was a teacher for eighteen years and I believe in giving. I was raised by parents who believed in community and helping one another.

Honestly, I would not be on HubPages if it were not for some very kind Hubbers who reached out and offered me help and encouragement early on, so now it is my time, as an established member of this community, to do the same.

How about you? Do you believe in helping other Hubbers? Do you believe in supporting other Hubbers? Are you a giver here on HP or are you a taker?

It isn’t so hard to do my friends. Every time you leave an encouraging comment you are a giver. Every time you share someone’s work you are a giver. Every time you offer to help a newcomer you are a giver, and every time you reach out a hand of friendship to some writer who is struggling you are a giver.

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OR ARE YOU A TAKER?


Conversely, every time you leave a negative comment you are a taker. Every time you feel the need to attack a writer because of their viewpoints you are a taker. If you fail to support someone who has loyally supported you then you are a taker, and if you are only here to make money and not be a part of the community then yes, you are a taker.

I especially detest those who feel the need to show up and attack someone’s Hub because it is a political or religious view they do not agree with. HubPages has forums where you can debate until the cows come home. Why is it necessary to debate in the comment section of a Hubber who is simply doing what they are supposed to do on HP, which is write? If this is a community of writers then it should be a place where WRITING is critiqued and encouraged, and not some political arena where the jackals can feed on the still-warm bodies of their victims.

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SO I ASK AGAIN, ARE YOU A GIVER OR A TAKER?


My goodness I have some great friends who are also Hubbers. I can’t imagine if I had just joined HP and not become involved in this community. How empty would that have been? How meaningless?

I have no desire to continue this rambling reflection. I have Hubs to comment on and friends to chat with…..friends to chat with. Listen, it’s not like I’m hard up for friends. I have lived in Olympia for over twenty years, and taught hundreds of students in this city. I have friends here, but the friends I have on HP are special in that we share a common bond. We understand what it is like to be a writer. We understand the hours it takes and the quiet moments of self-doubt.

The numerous friends I have on HP are my special friends, the ones I have never met and yet are there for me daily, and I have no doubt that if one day I travel around the country they are friends who will open their doors to me and welcome me into their homes.

If you don’t have friends like that on HubPages then I am truly sorry. Maybe if you spent less time taking and more time giving, you would have some too.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mothersofnations, you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you for stating what others need to see....if you want a supportive community of writers, HP is the place to be.

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      Mothers of Nations 3 years ago

      Interesting article. I've enjoyed this hub along with many others you've written. I think this is a great piece for some of the newbies to understand, as I have come across a few as well who do this very thing. In time they will see that HubPages is very different...

      You know why I value HP? Because of the supportive community and the friendships being built. I love encouraging others (not just here, but everywhere) and I'm grateful to be a part of this.

      God bless you, BillyBuc!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skye, if you pray for me daily, then I am in good hands. Thank you dear friend. I think I know about the follower you mentioned...faithful for sure, no taking at all. One of many who bless me daily.

      I hope all is well with you, and it was wonderful to hear from you.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, thank you my friend. You have your plate full for sure, but I consider you a giver all the way. I appreciate you and everyone like you, and thank you so much for your kind words about the Hubbies.

      blessings and hugs from Oly

      bill

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      skye2day 3 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Hello Bro. I am grateful to see you are still up and running at the hubs. I know that I have been blessed indeed with many of your hubs. I have not written in a time. Many changes in my life and I was redirected for a season. I do come in on occasion and stop in for a read two or three. I hope to be putting fingers to keyboard soon via hubs. My first thought on the followers who read and do not write is to be thankful. I know\of one hubber that reads many hubs and encourages so many on these pages. Yet he has not written a thing. I will bet he comes to your site as well. Some people love to read and if one word I write can help another All glory to God. If one word the non published writer leaves in comment and he does I am delighted. Because he is a giver. He supports many and I think he is a God sent. Maybe one day he will publish. He is a kind and generous man. Guess he likes many at this here community. We all hope to have numerous readers but as for me it is not about me butt what I can do as a child of God. It is all about Him. The starter and finisher of our faith, the creator the King of Kings. Jesus Christ. I love ya billybuc and I pray each day is

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      CrisSp 3 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Amen to that Father Bill. Oh, ok Brother Bill. :)

      Based on my irregularity on HP, you be the judge of my performance. "Am I a taker or a giver"? :) I know, I'm a loyal follower but I find it hard to catch up and comment on every article specially if I'm at 37K feet. I also freelance, teach on the side and don't forget cook dinner. You see this mama needs to work hard. :) I know for sure I've missed a lot of good hubs. However, when I read and I like the article, I make sure to drop a line, re-post, pin and share the hub. After all, sharing is caring.

      And, speaking of followers, I noticed there are some hubbers who would encourage and invite you to be their follower by following you first. And so more often than not, as a courtesy, we follow back and once it's done, that hubber will eventually unfollow you. He/She's definitely a taker, eh? Talk about sincerity.

      I'm not that concern about it but I think it's greedy smart.

      BTW, congrats on your well deserved hubby award. What do we do without Billybuc? :)

      Love from the sky~

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, that was a wonderful comment. I think your reflections are right on and I agree with them. Thank you.

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      Linda Jo Martin 3 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      Hi there... I appreciate your comments here. Most of us need to learn to give more - not only online, but in our offline lives. Giving is a talent for some, a learned response for others. Generosity isn't something we're all born with. Some of us are too worried about our own lives to be greatly concerned with the needs of others. Sad but true. I struggle with generosity issues. Maybe some people would be surprised to learn that about me - but I do think online generosity is easier than offline. Perhaps it comes from years of deprivation and the feeling of being needy. There are many variations on the level of giving people are capable of. Those who are total users are the worst, and while they're easily spotted online, sometimes they can be deceptive elsewhere, pretending to be what they aren't. Anyhow, thanks for giving me things to think about.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      econgranny, if I've helped in any way, then I'm happy. I'm glad you are here, and thank you for supporting me.

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      Kathryn Grace 3 years ago from San Francisco

      As a Squidoo transplant, I am grateful that most of my Squidoo community chose to come over together. We're not new kids on the block, standing all alone.

      What has been wonderful to me, and I know to many other Squids, is the outpouring of welcome and support from Hubbers, including you, Billy.

      Your encouragement and advice, and that of so many others, makes this jaw-jarring transition so much more comfortable than it might have been.

      Thank you for helping to build a supportive community.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, esmonaco, that same theory will work quite well here at HP. Welcome again and I hope you enjoy this site as much as I do.

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      Eugene Samuel Monaco 3 years ago from Lakewood New York

      Bill, You make a valid point here, I'm new to HP. I've been on Squidoo for a little over a year now and have published over 100 lenses that are now Hubs. When I first started, had it not been for the supportive community of writers, and all of the help they offered, I would have most likley given up. I have never seen myself as a writer, but the support pushed me along. All I know is that I like to write about things that I know and people do read my stuff. I'm a strong believer in giving back. Thanks

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Great points, Paula, and I agree with all of them. Sadly, there are some writers here who will never understand or grasp your points. Thank you for sharing them.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's not easy, John. I would be lying if I said it was. You do much better than most my friend, and I am appreciative of your efforts. Thank you.

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      Paula Atwell 3 years ago from Cleveland, OH

      Okay, so it took me a couple of hours to scroll down to the end of these comments. LOL.

      Your point is quite valid, Bill, and I have seen this over and over on many socially-based sites. I think to succeed in any endeavor, we must give AND take. After all, it is up to us to persevere and take responsibility for earning a living an taking care of ourselves and our family. That necessitates taking help where we can get it and improving our own lives.

      However, and this is a big however, passing on some of what we have experienced and learned to help others around us as part of the process actually helps us too in the end, because we build a healthy community that grows together. And if, by just a few words of assistance, we can help someone improve their lot in life, how much better does that make us. Sometimes just the smallest bit of help can change someone else's life and you may not ever know that you did.

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      This one must have slipped by me the first time Bill. I can't remember reading it and in flicking through the comments didn't see my name, but better late than never. I agree totally with the message here. I think it should be a good balance of give and take here at HP. You reap what you sew so to speak. the more generous you are with your encouraging comments, sharing other's hubs etc, the more you will receive in return. You are so generous with your advice, comments and sharing. It amazes me how you can find the time to comment of every hub of people you follow. I try my best but still fall behind. I have always followed more people than follow me, but the gap has been closing as I have to be more selective now I am having trouble keeping up with notification emails. Anyway I'll stop rambling....great job.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Neither am I, Linda...neither am I. Thank you for being who you are.

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      Linda Bilyeu 3 years ago from Orlando, FL

      I've always been a giver in my life so of course I'd be a giver on HP too. I'm not a fan of takers, never have been, never will be.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, it is an interesting phenomenon. There are people who seem to be naturally negative towards everything. If there is a special hell for that woman I hope it is a remedial writing course where she never gets a passing grade. :) Thank you my friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Jackie Lynnley 4 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Wow I know what you are talking about here. I am very opinionated but I do not attack anyone's hubs, give praise where praise is due and have been insulted more than a few times and had one person try to change the way I wrote, just kept coming in on a hub that was getting good comments knocking a very interesting hub about an early settler in America whose writings were kept in a Moravian church. I was thrilled to be reporting what I found but somehow the whole thing just got ruined by one ...well I will say, jealous, person. She really managed to spoil the whole works as I was writing follow up stories but her constant badgering just caused me to remove the follow-ups and by then the first story sort of just died before it was born. I think there is a special hell for people like that Bill.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      CM, what a beautiful comment. I think it is hard for those of us who have been with HP for a certain amount of time to keep up with everyone...in fact, it is impossible. I was addressing in particular those who have no problem receiving comments but never reciprocate, and then have the audacity to go online and complain about the lack of dues. We are all busy people, but if we want to be a part of a community then we need to do our part. :) I see you around so much that there is no doubt you are a giver here at HP and a respected giver at that. :)

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      Christina M. Castro 4 years ago from Baltimore,MD USA

      Hi Billybuc, I am glad I decided to read your hub first today. I love getting my notifications on email about what is happening on Hubpages. I had no idea I would be writing consistently for the joy of writing here on this website. I had no idea that I would be touching the hearts of over 50Thousand readers in 3 years with my own wisdom and love for poetic and informative words. I think it is amazing how I have been told I have about 268 followers but only the same 5 to 10 hubbers comment on anything I publish all the time. I try my best in my busy life to stop and visit others hubs and to comment as much as I can. Then, being on a social website and having real internet connection with the people who are writing these hubs I read has broadened my life tremendously. I agree with you that the people who join hubpages who have no interest in contributing hubs are perhaps very selfish and nonsensitive to the sense of Community that we develop for each other here. I have flagged hubbers before for being inappropriate and I now see a diminshed amount of inappropriate hubs on my newsfeed.

      I thank you so much for addressing such issues. I look forward to perhaps developing a calendar to organize my hub reading (a hubber or two per night of the week I suppose). Thanks for sharing.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, thank you, and I definitely agree that you are a giver. :) Have a great weekend my friend.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      I agree with your points Bill. Your hubs are useful and I usually go back and read them. That is good to know that if I ever have a question, I can ask you. I would have to say that I am a giver.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carb, thank you very much. What a lovely comment. You made my morning. :)

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      Linda Lum 4 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Billybuc - Thank you for writing this--I feel that you have been reading my thoughts (and then arranged them into a clear, logical, well-presented hub). The students who had you as their teacher were very lucky indeed.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      kalinin, I have run across the occasional person who hungers for argument, but for the most part I just thank them for their obnoxious opinion (LOL) and move on. This is a writer's site, and I am here to support writers...period!

      Thanks for your perspective on HP and I'm glad you are more active.

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      Lana ZK 4 years ago from California

      You make some excellent points, Bill. I've made a profile on HP 4 years ago and left it dormant for a while. Only recently I started to participate in the site more actively, leaving comments, reading other hubbers etc. I realize now that the nature of this site IS very interactive: it's not so much the articles you write, it's the people you engage, and also the people who've engaged you.

      I also had a few incidents where people started arguments in the comments section of my hubs because they disagreed with my views politically or socially, even after I repeatedly stated that it is only my opinion, I don't have a claim to the absolute truth, and if you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Discussion is one thing; but an argument with a purpose of "debunking" someone else's point of view...Luckily, it's fairly rare on HP, most people are kind and supportive, and I try to respond in the same way to everyone. Thank you for the hub!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, I rarely say anything negative about Hubbers. My experience has been too good here for me to do that often....but every once in awhile it is necessary. I don't like being used and I fear there are some here at HP who use others for their own gain. So sad that they miss out on the community aspect that you and I love.

      Thank you, Theresa!

      blessings,

      bill

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      Theresa Ast 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Good evening, Bill. Such a great hub, straight forward, to the point, the kind I wish I had written myself, but since I didn't, I am so glad you did. I have certainly thought the same things many times.

      I couldn't agree with all you said any more if I tried to. There are people who come to HP with dollar signs in their eyes are who want to add followers, like you add notches to a belt. It is crazy making, either they don't understand, or don't care to understand that HP can be, and is, so very much more.

      This was a healthy and cleansing rant. Too bad, most of "them" probably won't read it. Every so often it is right and appropriate to express a little righteous anger. Thank you for speaking for so many of us. Theresa

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Have a great week, Debbie!

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Bill sorry my phone was messing up earlier.. Blessings to you dear friend

      deb

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Debbie. I feel the same way my friend. HP is one of the best things I have ever done.

      Blessings to you always

      bill

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      I want to say what a I want to say what a blessing to read this hub.. blessings to you

      Deb

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Amen bill this is a great hub I am so glad you wrote it I have been thinking about this for a while I am so thankful I am a part of the hub and I know each and everyone of you I feel like I am so blessed the ones that are really good friends at follow me and

      comment and encourage me

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rolly, it is tough at HP. I want to do more than just write for HP, but I don't want to leave here either, so I am in the process of trying to find a balance I can live with. In the meantime, I will keep supporting those who have been so good to me....spreading the love my friend.

      Thank you and blessings to you always

      bill

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      Rolly A Chabot 4 years ago from Alberta Canada

      Hi Billy... a well thought out hub you have here and one to ponder. I have been around for going on four years and have come and gone from here and back again because of the community that has been formed.

      It does take a great deal of time and investment to read an comment and encourage. The rewards that come back are far worth the effort.

      I ventured into the realm of forums once and commented on something and was eaten alive in there. There are some real haters in there and yes that do mean well.

      I wish I could devote more time here in HP. Yes it is a machine in some ways but it is the friendships that have come from here that are amazing.

      This is a good word Billy and I stand with you... great wisdom and honesty...

      Blessings and Hugs from the North

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, I love your idea of newbies having to pass a course....it will never happen but I love the idea.

      Thank you for following me so loyally. You are greatly appreciated, Dianna. You are the personification of community.

      Have a wonderful weekend my friend.

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      Bill, I have quite a large number of followers, but I realize most are those who keep tabs on your writing for personal interest (copy cats, marketing, etc.). Occasionally, I get fan mail with "I am following you, so follow me." They just don't get the purpose of community. It would be great if HP would force newbees to go through a training program before allowing them to post a hub.

      As it is, due to my increased work load, my posts will be minimal this spring and summer. I will still capture your hubs and those who give in the community who are true writers at heart. I appreciate your help and how much you inspire others to live well and happy. If we can reach one person, that is worth it all.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kindred, apologies are never needed from you. Anyone who knows your story knows you are doing all that you can do right now. Stop with the apologies. And I have no doubt that you will and do offer others the same that I do....you are a giver or I wouldn't love you the way I do. :)

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      Linda Crist 4 years ago from Central Virginia

      Ouch! Right on! Give it to em straight! Hell yeah! lol

      I love it when you get on your pedestal and preach. It's just like going to church and feeling like the preacher is talking to you and only you. I am guilty of neglect lately. I'm not sure it qualifies me as a taker but I certainly haven't been taking care of my friends here. Sorry! :-(

      This was good Kindred, a write that we all needed. I'll never do it quite as good as you but I do try to emulate your charitable spirit most of the time. You were there for me when I was so, so green and I hope that one day others will say the same about me. Thanks my special friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Susan, you will forever be remembered by me as someone who reached out to me when I was first starting out, and gave me the encouragement and acceptance to continue. You will always be a giver in my book, so thank you so very much.

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      Susan Holland 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Bill! Sometimes time dictates my giving and taking. I would help anyone who asked, and I love to share. I don't get to comment as much as I would like, but I do vote. In my heart, I am a giver. Some day I hope to prove it more by getting to spend more time on HP's and in our writers' groups.

      You are right about HP's being a place where bonds of friendships have been formed. If any of my hub friends are ever traveling through my area in MO and didn't try to contact me, I would definitely be upset. I would take tons of pictures and each of us could write a hub about it. ;-)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      4wardthinker, thank you for the kind words and I am happy to follow you as well. Have a great weekend and keep on writing.

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      4wardthinker 4 years ago from Sierra Nevada CA

      Great hub! I am so glad to hear you address this issue and write the honest truth. I am a passive hubber and write randomly, but if I find a quality hub or someone who needs a little support, I am happy to follow.

      So happy to come across your hubs. I can use the quality information you provide to the writing community. Again, I am happy to follow.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joan, I am truly sorry about your job and having to give up your computer. I can't imagine a day without the computer. I hope things get better for you soon. As for the Welcome Wagon, I don't understand HP and their motivation sometimes. I don't know what the bandwidth problem is but I'm certain they could fix it if they chose to do so.

      Thank you for stopping by despite your hardships. I appreciate you making the effort and your kind words.

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      Joan Veronica Robertson 4 years ago from Concepcion, Chile

      Hi Billybuc! What a lovely Hub this is! I had joined the Welcome Waggon and enjoyed reading and encouraging newbies, but Hubpages closed that down recently "for lack of bandwidth" so now I've lost that delight! I do wish more Hubbers would listen to your words. I try to comment as much as I can, and participate and be positive in my feedback, but since I lost my job my world has been turned upside-down. I have no computer during the day, I'm using a Cyber, and at night I fall asleep on top of the keyboard. I'm averaging about 4 hours of sleep in my bed, the rest is done sitting in a hard chair. Other than that, I would like to think of myself as a giver. I certainly hope that is true. I used to receive lots of comments, but when traffic dropped, everybody seems to have become so involved in trying to keep up their traffic (and understandably so!), the comments on my Hubs have all but disappeared. Writing is lonely work at best, so if we don't all give support to each other, then it's like living on a desert island. At present I'm trying to find a way to continue the idea of the Welcome Waggon just on my own initiative, but the Hub Hopper loads too slowly around here. So anyway, I don't know where I'm going with this ramble, so I will stop, and just say Congrats, Bill, you did it again, wonderful Hub!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzie, when I see success stories like yours my heart swells. It is such a great feeling to see a writer grow and see success. You are a wonder, but beyond that you are a quality human being and I will always support someone who cares about others. Thank you, Irish!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Cindi! I read every comment. I owe that to the people who have taken the time to comment. I admire you and your writing. You were established and respected when I first got here, and I appreciate you taking the time to support me early on and still today.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Steph, your comment means a great deal to me. Five years on HP? I can't imagine, and yet you still take the time to be supportive of others here. I know I appreciate you greatly, and I love that I have actually met you in person....you are a good friend and I thank you.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Bill,

      Truer words were never spoken my wise buddy. Embracing the community here is the one thing without a shadow of a doubt, that has helped my writing and forge lasting friendships. i have tried to interact and be a "good team player" from day 1 and the benefits have been so rewarding. Having an idea materialize into a product by another hubber buddy was the most awesome feeling, getting a hub acknowledged with a comment from another and reading article from gifted writers so inspiring. Plenty of wow moments are here on HP IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GIVE.

      You are the example above all other examples my friend, a true 100% team player who is constantly giving and has the respect of us all who are lucky to have you as a friend. Rock on my good friend!

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      Cindy Murdoch 4 years ago from Texas

      lol ... you have certainly struck a nerve here. Look at all these comments! I too agree that the relationships that I have been able to develop on HP have been wonderful, and without them, I know that I would not have had the success I have had on HP. Everyone is a true blessing. I have even developed relationships with people who attack my writing... lol. I bet they don't understand that.

      I truly love the wonderland land of hubpages and the people I have met here. If you read this and you are one of them. My hat goes off to you and thanks so much!

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      Stephanie Hicks 4 years ago from Bend, Oregon

      Bill, in my 5+ years on HP, I have yet to meet another hubber who gives as you do. You are an amazing, supportive backbone of the community. I often find "new" hubbers to follow and enjoy their works because of your involvement.

      Not only that, but your written contributions are consistently of high quality and encourage readers to think, take action and more.

      I'm so happy that we've had the chance to meet in "real life" and I'm a dedicated reader and follower of your works and FB postings

      All the best, Steph

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skye, I do believe that is the nicest thing said to me today. :) Thank you! I want to see more positives in the world...I want more givers in the world....and yes, I want more love in the world. I am a dreamer my friend, and always will be.

      Blessings to you, today and always

      bill

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      skye2day 4 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Hello dear precious bro. I love it when I get a new follower. It is very special indeed. Yes we do reap what we sow. In thoughts words deeds actions. It is no wonder you are so Blessed. You bless each heart that comes near with the light of Christ that shines in you. Keep em coming dear brother. Love your writing style. You are a Blessing in a hurting world. In Christ, Your sister, Skye.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peggy, there are quite a few Hubbers in New Jersey...too bad there isn't a directory that shows locations of writers. You would have no trouble finding people to gather with you.

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      Peggy Salvatore 4 years ago from Mid-Atlantic States US

      If anyone here is interested in a Meetup in Jersey sometime, I'm sort of in the 'hood and would enjoy meeting some of you f2f. (beach day?) I hope that isn't outside the bounds of the intent of this virtual group. I am so happy I stumbled upon this a month ago; it's a terrific outlet and support system for writers. Thanks, everybody!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bruce, what a beautiful comment. Sorry it took me so long to get here, but I wanted to give you the time that you deserved after such a comment.

      This was a lesson. I want everyone to experience the joy that I have found on HubPages, but it will only happen if they give as much as they receive. Like you said, there is a balance at work here and it needs attention to work properly.

      I understand there are those who simply want to write....but I have had an increasing number of hubbers who don't understand why they never get comments, and to those I would say you gotta give to get. :)

      This site is my second home. I love it here and I love people like you who write for the pure joy of writing, and who constantly try to help others through your words. In other words, I love people who are as passionate about writing as I am. :)

      Thanks buddy. I hope you and your family are well.

      love and blessings, today and always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Goego, you make an excellent point and thank you for bringing it up. This is a strange venue in that we never really speak to another human being, and yet we form bonds based on one commonality...writing. Stale does enter into the picture, as does sterility, and I totally understand where you are coming from. In the end I respect your statement about not knowing if you are a giver or taker. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jon! If I ever get back to Jersey I'm going to be quite busy meeting with all of my east coast Hubber friends, but I will definitely take you up on the invitation.

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      Rev Bruce S Noll HMN 4 years ago from Asheville NC

      Hi Bill!

      Ok, when I got to the bottom this response I recognized it should have been a hub. LOL - Sorry!

      Sometimes leaders have to take a stand on their content and that's how I see what you have done here. I see it as part of the Hubpages curriculum, a lesson, if you will, from one of the more experienced writer/teacher/guides. Hey, we have to get it from somewhere, why not get it from a trusted source?

      One of the most difficult aspects of writing, in my humble opinion, is the fear of not reaching your intended audience. A close second to that is reaching that audience and then receiving criticism, constructive or otherwise. Let's face it sometimes it hurts. I have to say I have received very few uncomplimentary communiques. That may be because the real writers here, like you, have been so kind and generous with their comments, encouragement and support. Most of our fellow hubbers, even though they may disagree, are genuinely trying to express themselves and simultaneously build a safe site for writers who want to expand their horizons and the horizons of those others who are drawn, for whatever reason, to our community.

      One last point! In my view, and one I hope I demonstrate here on hubpages, giving and receiving are equal and theY happen at exactly the same time. As a matter of fact, they are inseparable. You cannot possibly give any part of yourself without getting equal or greater value in return. Conversely, you cannot receive without giving something of yourself away in return, even if that something does not seem to be of the same weight. There is a law of balance that over time, unfolds. Thus the phrase I think, "to those who give much, much will be given and to those who give little, little will be given."

      In a grateful spirit, I am always glad to see your comments on my hubs. (And they are usually the first right after publishing) I'm honored because I know how many people follow you and are followed by you. This is true for other hubbers I'm sure. Even if this didn't happen, at least at this stage of my membership, I choose to focus on the good comments, learn from the criticism and just keep on writing, because that's why we're here. For those who make money here, congratulations. For those who are here because they love to write, I say thank you. For those who are doing both and teaching and supporting others, keep up the great work and THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!

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      Jonathan McCloskey 4 years ago from Cinnaminson, New Jersey

      Well written, billybuc. I have taken a shine to many members here on HubPages and I try to support as much as I can whilst also keeping up with my own writing. The tea is always on the fire and the coffee is always in the brewer if you ever come to visit.

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      goego 4 years ago from Loserland

      After scrolling through all these comments I forgot what I was going to say... Nice work bill, this virtual connection to people does seem to get a little sterile at some point. It seems we all loose focus and stray towards fortune and fame, or popularity and numbers... I'm not really sure. This whole fabrication of our lives seems so false at points and I don't really know if i'm a giver, taker or just a plain ol' faker... 'Life' what a crazy place.

      -Thanks for keeping everybody thinking and communicating, best wishes

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      athulnair, thank you for your interpretation. I honestly don't know what causes someone to do that, and I do find it curious. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, you are one of those people I would love to meet and enjoy a cup of tea with. I love your attitude about life and the fact that you speak the truth from your heart. Keep doing what you are doing and you will have more followers than you know what to do with....and wouldn't that be a lovely problem? LOL

      Thank you my friend. I will be by shortly.

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      athulnair 4 years ago from India

      Good views about the activity of hubbers. You are right, but there could be a possibility that, the person follows many so that he can get all the updates or new hubs in his feed. He may be very much interested to read. But this fact holds only when if he follows great authors.

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      Linda Compton 4 years ago from The Land of Enchantment

      Hey Sir William,

      I feel your frustration. You inspire me to give more! I don't spend as much time reading and commenting as I do writing, and your points are well taken! Since I look forward to having comments, I am now looking forward to giving them :) Ironically, I read a lengthy hub recently and gave a thoughtful comment, with one critique and one suggestion. It wasn't published or commented on in return. Then I looked more carefully at the published comments - all praising the hub 100%. That was an interesting experience. I always try to be positive...maybe my comments seemed critical or self-promoting or something, I'm not sure. Was sharing from my heart, which is what I believe in. I ALWAYS value your thoughts and love your comments and will be better! Just went from level 2 to 3 commenter, now on to 4, etc!!!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Julie, the time issue is a very real one and I understand it completely. The longer I am on HP the less time I have for HP...kind of a Catch 22. :) I appreciate you taking the time to visit and comment.

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      Jools99 4 years ago from North-East UK

      Well said Bill - I feel the same way when I get followers and fan mail without any comment on a hub to accompany it. I have gathered most of my followers slowly and I don't follow someone unless I'm prepared to read and comment on their hubs. I don't comment as often as I used to but that's down to time - I still share regularly though and still read a lot of hubs every day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I can always make time for friends, and you are all my friends. I love this community and the relationships I have formed here. We share a common bond and that bond strengthens with each day.

      Thank you my friend. Have a great week.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Leslie, I have no answer for ya....I'm just driven to write, and my mind is overflowing with ideas, or shit, or something. LOL

      You I appreciate greatly....would love to meet you one day, but the miles are a major roadblock at this time. One can always hope.

      love ya Sis!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ah, Eddy, I believe I made a similar statement several years ago. LOL Just goes to show how wrong I can be at times. Now I can't imagine my day online without my many friends.

      You are a wonderful giver and human being and I am proud to call you my friend.

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, those of us who have been here awhile can share similar instances where our comment was not well-received, or where we were attacked. That is always the risk when one is a giver. Happily there are many more instances where our comments and support are greatly appreciated and I live for those moments.

      Yes, my friend, you are a giver of the highest ranking. Keep doing what you are doing and you will keep getting the love and admiration you are getting. :)

      Blessings and a hug winging their way to you on this foggy Monday

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pamela, I receive huge support, so in that way yes, I am a taker. I just try to give back as much as I can and balance the scale a bit.

      Thank you as always my friend and have a great week.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      one2get2no, true words and I have had that happen many times. I don't understand it but then I guess it's not my job to understand but only to accept and take care of my own side of the street. :) Thanks for the visit.

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      DJ Anderson 4 years ago

      Great point, Bill.

      Your words are golden. I read and re-read your informational hubs.

      You have a full time job just commenting back to your followers. I

      don't see how you have the time.

      Thank you for all your kind efforts.

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruchi, I think the same transformation happened for most of us. It is very hard to not become a part of this community once you have started. There are too many good people, such as yourself, to ignore.

      Thank you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      What IS the point? lol..

      your outrage is adorable - as is your tongue!

      i like to think of myself as a....BOTH-er - or...a BOTHER - depending how one sees it...lol..

      i really don't know how you do it, my friend - you truly amaze..

      i often wonder if Bill Holland's day consists of 25 hours - where us mere mortals days consist of, ya know - the usual..

      love your heart, Bill!

      hub-SHARING..lol

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Another wonderful share Billy and what a wonderful place hub pages is. I am the same person in my daily life as I am on here and feel so rich

      to have found so many wonderful and lifelong friends.

      This comes from someone who not so long ago rather haughtily stated that it was not possible to make friends online. I hold my hands up and admit that I was so very wrong.

      Thank you so much once again for sharing this wonderful gem.

      Lots of love

      Eddy.

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      Patricia Scott 4 years ago from sunny Florida

      Well said, Bill. I have had a few zingers cast my way. One was this...I emailed someone because I saw an error in their writing...and told them privately what I had found. I said I did not know if they would want to know but I would so I shared it. Then I got back a seething email that I had better check such and such as it had a lot of mistakes. Well, I did and found none so I wrote back and asked them to be more specific. Silence. I had others read it and there were no errors.

      So now I reluctantly let someone know if I see an error. When I first began on HP, I made a lot of errors and then I found spell check. My vision is not great so I have a lot of trouble editing. But I read and reread to help find them. Now I have gotten better, thank goodness, as I died a thousand deaths each time I find a mistake.

      There have been other times when I was zapped but I publish those comments and move on.

      I try every time I get a comment to go back asap and comment in return and then go to their site and read and comment. I have had recently a number of comments from those who are unpublished. It does make me wonder....

      Anyway, I do think I have rattled on far too much but this touched a nerve.

      We are here to help each other...bottom line. In this community we can find those who care about us far beyond our writings. And like you as I teacher I learned that giving is THE answer in many many situations.

      Have a lovely lovely Monday, Bill.

      Many Angels are on the way to you today :) ps

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      Pamela Oglesby 4 years ago from United States

      I never understood why someone would follow me when they had never even written a hub, but I guess its not worth worrying about. You are obviously a giver and I think I am a giver too; yet I receive such support and friendship on Hubpages that maybe I am a bit of a taker also.

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      Philip Cooper 4 years ago from Olney

      Well said Billy....my pet peeve on here is when I befriend someone and comment on how much I enjoy their hubs they completely ignore me.

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      Ruchi Urvashi 4 years ago from Singapore

      Hi Bill, good hub to reflect on. I like your direct and confrontation style of writing. Truthfully, when I initially started I was more interested in writing and increasing number of articles. However, with time, I realized that reading others articles and writing encouraging comments and sharing on facebook is even more fun. Truly, giving is better than taking.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alicia. it is my pleasure completely. Following people like you is what makes this site so great. I love it here and I suspect you do as well. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, you are a very good writer and a very active member of this community. I am proud to be your follower.

      Thank you for the kind words my friend, and the advice for newcomers.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cerebral, welcome to HubPages. I hope you find the same amount of enjoyment on this site as I have. Your statement that you get when you put into it certainly applies here.

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      Linda Crampton 4 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      Thank you for being a very giving person, Bill. I appreciate all your comments and support, as well as the generous advice in your hubs. The behavior of some followers is certainly very puzzling!

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      Heidi Thorne 4 years ago from Chicago Area

      Dang! 172 comments so far? Guess we all have got something to say on this.

      Honestly, I joined HP because I was looking for a blog-like platform for sharing content that didn't quite fit perfectly on my other blogs (and that wouldn't require me to maintain yet another blog!).

      But then as I wandered around, I found it was more like a social network of writers (or those who want to be). Actually, when I'm considering following a hubber, I look to see how long they've been on HP, how many hubs they've published, some of their achievements AND how many they are following. If their stats are pretty paltry in all departments, I don't follow.

      Glad to have found some great hubbers like you, billybuc, already in my relatively short time here on HP!

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      Cerebral Aspect 4 years ago from Westland, MI

      Hello all, I joined hubpages at the last week of March and have written 13 hubs so far. Do I plan to be a giver or a taker? Why do I have to choose? In all honesty, I plan to be both, as I think almost all people here do. I believe at least ONE of the driving forces behind most of us joining here is to diversify our income sources. But I am one who believes that you will most likely get out of something what you put into something. It takes work on your writing, as well as community participation. I plan to give it all I've got, and hopefully also reap the rewards :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Expect, in all honesty I don't follow as many hubs as I once did. As the followers increased it became harder and harder to give attention to everyone. Now I have to pick and choose and I feel badly about that.

      Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate every follower I have, but especially those, like you, who are so loyal.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rosemay, in all fairness it never dawned on me some people come to HubPages just to read. What a concept. LOL.....and I agree, those who are part of this writing process but who do not participate in the community have no idea what they are missing.

      Thank you for a great comment.

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      ExpectGreatThings 4 years ago from Illinois

      You one of the few hubbers who have taught me how to be a better follower and giver. I so appreciate the time you take to read hubs and to reply to comments. And honestly, you don't even have to! Your writing is good enough that we would still read your hubs even if you didn't acknowledge us! (I'm thankful you do, though :)) This hub deserves a "pat on the back." -Ginger

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      To be fair not everyone is a writer, some just enjoy reading. I have a few who support and comment on of my hubs, my only regret is that I am not able to support them in the same way, apart from sending fan mail they have no hubs that I can comment on.

      I do try to be a giver as much as I can, it is just unfortunate that many that I follow write on a daily basis like yourself which makes it impossible to comment on all of them. I do read and comment to the detriment of leaving myself little or no time to write. But I do appreciate all the support I have received from this wonderful community.

      The 'follow chasers' as I call them really have no idea what they are missing out on.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lurana, you are very welcome. I know quality when I see it, and I see it in you. Keep spreading your message...we need all the help we can get.

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      Lurana Brown 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      Bill, I just wanted to thank you for your reply. It means a lot to me. :-)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      genna, you are very welcome and thank you for understanding the spirit of this hub. I love this community and I want to see everyone do their part to keep it alive and vibrant. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lea, I was so happy to see your new hub. You are such a respected member of this community and we have missed you....I know I have.

      As for pictures, I will send you an email...provided I can find your email address. If you don't hear from me by tomorrow write to me....holland1145@yahoo.com

      Thank you for your kind words...I know you understand this simple philosophy....be the instrument of change you want to see in the world...that's how I want to live my life.

      love and blessings my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith. It's always nice to know others feel the same way. I stayed quiet about it for over a year and finally decided someone needed to speak up. Since I have never been shy about giving my opinion, here it is. :)

      You know how grateful I am for you, but I'll say it again...thank you!

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alise, I'm perfectly fine with letting God have awesome. :) I think He has earned that label, don't you?

      Thank you for your kind words. I'm just trying to make this world a better place, one person at a time. Since there are seven billion, I'm going to stay quite busy. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good for you, Made! That makes me happy.