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Are You A Giver Or A Taker On HubPages?

Updated on April 13, 2013

A BEWILDERED HUBBER


I recently received an email notification that I had a new follower. I’m always excited when that happens, so I dropped what I was doing and “raced” over to their site to find out more about this newcomer.

I discovered that she had two followers, that she was following 454 Hubbers and she had not written a Hub yet.

May I ask….what is the damn point?

And no, this is not the first time this has happened. The holder of the record so far was a newbie who was following 1,105 Hubbers and had not even done a profile yet. What did he do, stay up all night befriending people?

Seriously, what is the point?

There are no prizes given on HubPages for he or she who follows the most people. Our income is not based on the number of Hubbers we follow, so what the hell is the point?

This is not an isolated incident. As I look at the 1,400 followers I have, I am willing to bet that only one-hundred of them comment on my Hubs on a regular basis. No, I am not grumbling about the lack of following; I just don’t see the point.

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Then there are those who belong to Facebook groups and constantly hawk their work but never share the works of any other Hubbers. And then we have those who can’t be bothered to respond when you leave a comment on their Hub. And then….and then…..and then!

Here is where I get confused. HubPages is a COMMUNITY of writers who interact, give encouragement and offer suggestions when wanted. We are each other’s cheerleaders. In a very lonely profession we are the voices of reason and we are the pep-talkers who give much-needed pats on the back.

However, by the very nature of the beast, HubPages offers writers a platform where their work is instantly transported into the Internet where it can be seen by millions and possibly earn money for the writer. As such, some writers must see HP only as a platform and not a community at all.

And quite frankly I think they are missing the boat with that attitude.

Even HubPages, that money-grabbing Big Brother that lives for the financial bottom line, sees the advantages of supporting one another. Why else would they give awards each year to supportive and helpful Hubbers?

I WANT TO HELP YOU


Anyone who knows me knows that I mean it when I say it. If you need help….if you have questions….I am more than happy to help any of you. All you have to do is ask. I share what I know in hopes that it will benefit you all. I was a teacher for eighteen years and I believe in giving. I was raised by parents who believed in community and helping one another.

Honestly, I would not be on HubPages if it were not for some very kind Hubbers who reached out and offered me help and encouragement early on, so now it is my time, as an established member of this community, to do the same.

How about you? Do you believe in helping other Hubbers? Do you believe in supporting other Hubbers? Are you a giver here on HP or are you a taker?

It isn’t so hard to do my friends. Every time you leave an encouraging comment you are a giver. Every time you share someone’s work you are a giver. Every time you offer to help a newcomer you are a giver, and every time you reach out a hand of friendship to some writer who is struggling you are a giver.

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OR ARE YOU A TAKER?


Conversely, every time you leave a negative comment you are a taker. Every time you feel the need to attack a writer because of their viewpoints you are a taker. If you fail to support someone who has loyally supported you then you are a taker, and if you are only here to make money and not be a part of the community then yes, you are a taker.

I especially detest those who feel the need to show up and attack someone’s Hub because it is a political or religious view they do not agree with. HubPages has forums where you can debate until the cows come home. Why is it necessary to debate in the comment section of a Hubber who is simply doing what they are supposed to do on HP, which is write? If this is a community of writers then it should be a place where WRITING is critiqued and encouraged, and not some political arena where the jackals can feed on the still-warm bodies of their victims.

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SO I ASK AGAIN, ARE YOU A GIVER OR A TAKER?


My goodness I have some great friends who are also Hubbers. I can’t imagine if I had just joined HP and not become involved in this community. How empty would that have been? How meaningless?

I have no desire to continue this rambling reflection. I have Hubs to comment on and friends to chat with…..friends to chat with. Listen, it’s not like I’m hard up for friends. I have lived in Olympia for over twenty years, and taught hundreds of students in this city. I have friends here, but the friends I have on HP are special in that we share a common bond. We understand what it is like to be a writer. We understand the hours it takes and the quiet moments of self-doubt.

The numerous friends I have on HP are my special friends, the ones I have never met and yet are there for me daily, and I have no doubt that if one day I travel around the country they are friends who will open their doors to me and welcome me into their homes.

If you don’t have friends like that on HubPages then I am truly sorry. Maybe if you spent less time taking and more time giving, you would have some too.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Comfort Babatola 4 years ago from Bonaire, GA, USA

      Definitely a giver, and so are you Bill. Thumbs up for this great hub.

      Voted Awesome!

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      You are right in saying this, because we are all writers, and it is all about sharing.....not a one person show. Well said!!!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Comfort and you are right, you are a giver. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michelle, you exemplify the giving aspect of HubPages. It is a pleasure to be your follower. Thank you!

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      Barbara Kay Badder 4 years ago from USA

      Bill, Some of these people are following people to copy there hubs. Just a warning. I no longer follow people like that, but if they are following me it doesn't do any good.

      I try to be a giver. I have over a 1000 followers now and I'm just not getting that many comments either.

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      I so agree with you...There are so many writers that are trying to drain all they can from the site. I try to be supportive of writer friends on Hub. Sometimes I comment more than other times. I have many I comment on who never comment on mine, but I will continue to comment as I enjoy their hubs. I love to ask a question and get quick replies and carefully thought out ones. I have over 500 followers and about 30 or 40 semi regular commenters and about 25 regular ones. A friend is a friend..and if not so be it. And we all know about you..THe best of the best.

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      Mike Pugh 4 years ago from New York City

      Bill you know I am with you on this, the 100+ hubpages community hubs I wrote last year shows and proves such a thing is possible, just as you mean to help support fellow hubbers here with this very well thought out, caring and thoughtful hub. (We are a true writers community of supportive good friends for sure.)

      Helping others in this online world is simple as you put it, commenting with insightful positive feedback, and fairly for the likes of your fellow writers whenever you can, and especially if you have chosen to follow them here.

      I have learned a great deal as a highly active hubpages community member and been an advocate for such fair sharing all throughout my stay here and its been a joyous experience overall. (I do apologize for leaving long comments most of the time, but I'm long winded and when I sense a great hub, I choose to give credit where it is due each and every time I notice it)

      I only ran into 3 negative people out of 1000's upon 1000's of hubbers, and I must say, that is a truly awesome statistic indeed. To find so many good people in any digital arena, or anywhere for that matter would have never ever been possible if I wasn't active here in this community. So you are 100% correct bro, you and I both know these truths to be self evident for sure. (My online pursuits, dreams, and business is beginning to prosper as well due to making such successful connections with like minds, so it is worth it.)

      "Paying it forward" for all other is also my philosophy as well. Awesome hub Bill as you do 99.5% of the time. I miss some of your articles but I try to keep up the pace if and when I can as you know. Thumbs up and outta here!

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      Old Poolman 4 years ago

      Interesting thoughts expressed in this one Bill.

      I read with interest a face book entry where the young lady was bragging about the milestone she had just acheived of now having 5,000 face book friends.

      I suggested she send them all an email stating that she may be moving a house full of furniture and personal belongings across town next weekend, and would appreciate help with the packing, loading, and hauling. I bet her the maximum number of responses would not exceed 5 out of her 5,000 friends. Of course I heard nothing back from her.

      Everyone of us on hub pages started with a blank slate and zero hubs. Publishing that first hub takes a great deal of courage, and deserves some supportive feedback from the regular hubbers.

      It is interesting that some of those who leave the most negative and offensive comments have yet to write their first hub after being registered for a year or more? My response to them is to write a hub of their own and then come back to my hub.

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      Wayne Barrett 4 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Bill I agree with you 100%, and I am glad you wrote about this. Since I am still fairly new to the site, I have wondered about the issues you brought up here. I have noticed that there are some that I have supported by commenting and sharing but from their end have heard nothing but crickets chirping in the background. I really appreciate the point you make about being attacked for your opinion. I admit, I have not had any attacks against me as of yet, but I have seen it against other Hubbers. So you answered a very important question for me. as a writer, I need to be able to express myself openly and honestly...and if i cant do that here...what's the point? Very well stated and very good advice for us all. Thank you my friend!

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      It takes one to know one and you're the one! A giver who does have friends all over the world and yes, you know our door is always open here in upstate NY for you and Bev.

      This is a sort of rant but one whose time has come. I totally agree with you about starting arguments in the comments section...selfish and childish. This community is so very full of wonderful, supportive and yes, loving writers. I can't tell you how glad I am I joined this community two years ago and for me, I see no end in sight!

      I do feel sorry for the hapless hubbers who join, follow and then do nothing more. Surely a sorry lot. I have to add the hubbers who join, follow you and get banned before they do anything...what's up with that?

      Voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting.

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      Wayne Barrett 4 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Barbara made another point that I was wondering about; If there is a follower that I am suspicious of, is there a way to block them from following me?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Billy,

      I would like to consider myself a giver; I feel an obligation to the people that I follow; to the point that I neglect my "to do list". For the record, I have moments of anxiety when I get a notification that billybuc has published a new hub... "must get over there, must get over there". It is so easy to get distracted, you open a fellow hubber's hub and ping another notification. I have a dozen tabs or better open at any given time. I try to get to all of the people I'm following and if my followers happen to get to me great and if not, I don't get offended. I know people are busy.

      But yes, I have a few people that followed me and I assumed that it would be the beginning of some kind of HP relationship but then I never hear from or see them again. I think to myself "why is it they are following me?"

      Voted up and awesome!

      Cat

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      Liz Davis 4 years ago from Hudson, FL

      It's so funny how I read some of your hubs and think, "Huh. I didn't know other people thought that way." Constant reinforcement that we are kindred spirits! Anyway, when I see a blogger or hubber who doesn't respond to comments, I think it's a total turn-off. Someone took the time to read your work and leave a comment, but you don't have the time to say, "Thank you!"? Of course, I only have you and Joe to respond to on my hubs, so it's easy for me. :D I don't understand the hub-following thing either, but Barbara makes a good point. It's a dog-eat-dog world out here! Gah! You're awesome, Papa Bill!

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      Audrey Howitt 4 years ago from California

      You are one of the most giving of time and support in this community--thank you for writing this hub!

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      LaDena Campbell 4 years ago from Somewhere Over The Rainbow - Near Oz...

      Bill - you most certainly are a giver!And so supportive!! I try to be, as well. I know that I read more hubs and left more comments before I was a part of the apprenticeship program - and I will do that again once this is through. I still read as many hubs as I can and leave comments for as many friends as I can - and you are on of my favorites!

      About the followers? Who knows why they do that - I always just assume that they are spam accounts and stay away from them...

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Okay, I'm sorry forgive me, I meant to make note that you are one of the most giving hubbers I have met to date. I got carried away defending my giving and I took from you! Can you ever forgive me?

      Cat

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, for sure there are those who want to copy and nothing more. There will always be plagiarism....it is sad but it is a truth we live with. All I can do is lead by example and hope others will follow.

      Thank you for being so giving.

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      Hawaiian Odysseus 4 years ago from Southeast Washington state

      Hi, Bill!

      You GO, my friend! This was an ABOUT TIME hub, and I'm thankful and happy that you were the one to write it. You have given generously of your time, effort, wisdom, self, and respect to others, and I'll be the first to stand in line and declare that I love, appreciate, and--yes!--emulate those qualities. My first invitation to join HP had the word, community, in the phrasing, and that's what I latched onto.

      We give first through the hubs we write, because each hub is a child, a piece of our soul. Like you, I will jump at the opportunity to give thanks to someone who has written, but I am definitely not 100% altruistic nor do I have the time to give and not receive a moment of their sharing in return. It's a two-way street. I've always had a red flag pulling at my gut when someone who has never written a hub follows me. I won't reciprocate because I sense usury on his or her part...and often, they hide behind unisex avatars, another red flag for me. As a citizen of the HP community, I also am vigilant at the gates, doing my part to ensure that the pirates are cut down in their tracks. But it takes the strength and resolve of a COMMUNITY to maintain its character and integrity.

      You, sir, are an ambassador of goodwill in the HubPages community, and I'm honored to have a two-way street friendship with you. Thanks for writing this one, Bill! (You even had a model for the takers...that cracked me up!)

      Aloha!

      Joe

      Voted up and more, and sharing!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, you are a great follower and for the life of me I do not understand why some don't feel the need or responsibility to reciprocate. I think they are missing out on the true joy of HubPages.

      Well my dear, at least we have each other. :) Thank you as always and have a great weekend.

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      Linda Bilyeu 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

      I'm the same person on HP that I am in my daily life. Giving to me is my way of life. I couldn't imagine being a taker. It's not how I was made. To each his own. We reap what we sow. Great hub Bill. Keep on shining!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, I honestly don't know how to block someone....send an email to HP and ask....Simone is very good about answering questions...you can always flag them and give your reason for the flagging. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, just Joe and me???? Really??? We have to work on that. I had no idea you only heard from two of us....WTF???

      Now I have a mission for the weekend.

      Enjoy Florida my friend. We have to go to dog training class.....ugh!

      love you, Dunedin!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, you are very welcome. Thank you for supporting me all this time.

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      Janine Huldie 4 years ago from New York, New York

      I try my best to be a giver and know you definitely are. But that makes me shake my head and totally don't get it, because how can you follow all those people, but not write anything or comment. Seriously, why bother? Thanks Bill and hope you are having a great weekend!!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike my friend, you are the personification of a great follower and active community member. You, better than most, know the truths in this hub.

      We are all busy, and I am not able to follow all hubs like I once did, but that does not keep me from following as best I can and giving back to this community. I feel sorry for those who do not receive the joy that you and I do from HP. This is a great community of giving human beings and I'm proud to be a member.

      Thank you my friend, and I love your long comments as they show that you truly do care.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poolman, a great comment as always. I love your response to the person who bragged about having 5000 followers on Facebook. That is a classic.

      I love this community and I love the friendships I have made, but it never would have happened if I had been a passive participant.

      Thank you Sir! Keep the campfire blazing. I'll be down eventually to have a cup of coffee with you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, thank you! You are a positive influence in this community and you have already earned my respect. I apologize for not following all of your hubs, but I try to stop by on a regular basis. Time runs out on me and it is hard, but that is the reality when one has been here for some time. Keep doing what you are doing. You are valued here.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, there are many things I do not understand about HP, but I do understand friendships and loyalty and I will always follow you and your work. We, who understand the sense of community, all give back to each other, and I find that refreshing and wonderful.

      Thank you, Mary! Have a great weekend.

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      innerspin 4 years ago from uk

      It's a funny old world, billybuc, there will always be people we can't understand. The ones who just take don't gain the most. They don't even know it.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, I have no idea why some people are like that. Time is an issue for all of you us my friend, and I don't think any of us expect you to follow every hub we do. I can't get to them all, either, but I do try to read at least one per week from those I follow...I fail at that but I do try, and I know you do as well.

      Thank you, Cat. You are appreciated.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LaDena, I will follow you always because I know you are a giver in this community. We all have time issues and can't read everything. We just do what we can and try to be supportive. I love HP and I thank you sincerely for who you are.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, there is no forgiveness necessary. I loved your comment and I encourage my followers to speak their minds. Thank you my friend.

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      Lisa Williams 4 years ago

      Hi, Bill! I definitely hope I am a giver, I try to be anyway! I have thought long and hard about those who follow, but do not write. The only reason I can come up with is that they go through and find the writers that they like to read and follow them, so that they are alerted when they publish a new Hub. Maybe, they don't feel like they are good writers and they enjoy reading and want to be part of a community of writers. On the other hand, I get very frustrated by those people, whom I have affectionately named trolls, that have nothing better to do than tell me my view is wrong. Luckily, they have been few and far between. I am always amazed by the other people who jump right in and stick up for me! This really is an amazing community we have here. This was a great article, I voted up!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, we do indeed reap what we sow, and I love the friendships we have formed over the months and years. I can't imagine doing it any other way. Thank you my friend; you are, indeed, a giver.

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      Jayme Kinsey 4 years ago from Oklahoma

      Excellent hub! I hope I am more of a giver than a taker. I know we all take a little when we are on HP, but you've pointed out how we can avoid being "all taking" and no giving. At the very least, we should give more than we take.

      That said, I also dislike discovering that my new followers are trolls, faceless friend hoarders, and companies pitching sales articles. I hop hubs everyday trying to stop such people. It takes out of my writing time, but think it is worth it to keep trashy articles off the site. ( by trashy I mean things like badly spelled, 200 word rants about how God is going devour homosexuals in all caps. Or 150 word sales pitches that lead back to spam sites for buying cheap watches. things like that.) Even though I read a lot of hubs while hopping that I disagree with, I always give them a fair rating based on their mechanics. It might make my blood pressure go up to read what they say, but if its a god hub, then it is a good hub!

      I am so glad you wrote this article. I hope it reminds all the hubbers to take that extra time to thank their supporters, either by commenting, sharing or just saying 'Thanks!"

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, you are one of the best givers in this community, and anyone who follows you knows that. Keep giving. You are such a great asset here at HP.

      Thank you and enjoy your weekend my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Innerspin, you make a good point. I'm sure they do not know what they are missing, but you and I do. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joe, I am not altruistic either. I won't comment on those who don't have the time to comment on mine. Time is too valuable and it is better spent on those who understand the meaning of community. You, my friend, understand that concept quite well.

      To heck with them, Joe. We have found writing nirvana and we will continue to reap the rewards from this site. I am proud to be your follower. Now you can't get rid of me. :)

      Have a great weekend, buddy.

      Aloha,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lisa, you just mentioned one of my least favorite hubbers, the one who feels it is their duty to tell me my opinion is wrong. I'm not here to debate politics or any other issue. I am here to learn to be a better writer, and to support other writers. If I wanted to debate I would go into politics.

      Yes you are a giver, and I am proud to be your follower. Thank you for being you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sharkye, I love that you take the time to hop hubs and weed out the spammers. I wish HP would do more to police those who are here for a private agenda. I must have the wrong view of what a writing community is about. :)

      You are, indeed, a giver, and I thank you for following me.

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      Rebecca Mealey 4 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

      Those are some amazing examples you give at the beginning of this. I haven't ran into anything like that yet. I have hopped over to greet a newbie only to get the message that the person has been banned from HP. I always wonder, what they did wrong. Publish porn maybe? Perhaps HP should ban some of those Extreme takers, too.

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      Sheri Dusseault 4 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

      Good Morning Bill,

      You brought up some good points that I have been thinking about too. I love to try and support all those I am following. I am still trying to figure out a time management thing though. I like how hubpages give us that current notification thing so if I miss somenones hub I can catch it there.

      You have been such a giver and so supportive and I appreciate it!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheri, it is almost impossible to follow all of those who follow us, especially after you have been here for some time. The best you can do is catch them on a regular basis. We are all busy and we all have time management issues...we just do the best we can.

      Thank you for your giving spirit. I'm very happy that you are a member of HP.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rebecca, oddly I haven't seen that banned thing that you mentioned....that is very interesting. I wonder what they have done?

      Well, I do know that I appreciate you. I may not get to your hubs all the time, but I do try to be a regular supporter, and I know you do as well. Thank you!

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, this hub should be a training tool for each new Hubber. I get excited when I have new followers, but I've run into the same thing. I'll gain a follower who hasn't commented on a single hub. If you haven't read any of my hubs, how the hell do you know you want to follow me??? Or you haven't written a hub. How the hell can I follow you?

      I don't follow everyone who follows me because either I don't relate to their topics or they don't comment on mine.

      And don't even get me started on the hubbers who feel the need to blast and criticize everything you write! I removed myself from the FB Poetry Group for that very reason. One bad apple spoiled the whole bunch for me. That may not be good judgement on my part, but this person's negativity and accusations made me want to leave and not be associated with that kind of attitude. So I left!

      Commenting and sharing is how we make friends and support each other. I give, but I also take. I give comments and support but I also take advice (ususally yours! :-) )

      If you're not here to write, support and learn then get the hell out. The HP masters have enough to do managing those of us who are active members of this community. Don't waste their time or ours.

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      My goodness you put that well, Bill! Lately, I have comments, followers and fan mail and they all seem to be hawking their own websites. I even had someone write a hub in my comment section! Thank you for putting this so nicely. I was feeling a bit put out! up+ and shared!

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      Lori J Latimer 4 years ago from The River Valley, Arkansas

      I am more of a giver than a taker. I do not spend 8 to 20 hours a day on here any longer, but I do still publish Hubs, Hub Hop, answer and ask questions, join forums, and give tips to newbies who seem to be using unique content, and could use a little encouragement. I also share good Hubs on Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest. I am forever indebted to HubPages and the Hubbers who friended me and took me under their wings when I was a newbie, and I feel like I am paying that debt by the earnings HP gets from my mostly evergreen, unique content. Some may think this is not enough, and I am sorry, but we need balance in our writing, living, publishing and reading. The best to you Billybuc :0).

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      I think your follower must have been the same person who asked me to follow him. He appeared to have spent a few days just asking people about 400 people to follow him and he had no Hubs as yet. Needless to say I will not be following him. I am always delighted to have a new follower, better still some who can relate to me and I to them. It takes courage to say it as it is but your are right billybuc. Voted this one up billybuc.

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      suzettenaples 4 years ago

      Great hub! I have run into these people too-don't write but follow us all - how silly. You are so good to offer help to hubbers. I'm glAd you wrote this. It needed to be said .

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      Susan Ream 4 years ago from Michigan

      Hey billy, Well said dear man! You are a giver and I know this because I see comments from you all over the hubbers pages I follow. You are also an encourager and God Bless you for being so.

      Yes, I have also connected with hubbers who are part of my heart now. We share a common goal - to use our gift of writing and to encourage others in their pursuit. Voted Up +++

      Thanks and Blessing to you bill!

      Mekenzie

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      I have noticed this trend as well, Bill. Seeing a hubber following you and finding that he or she has not written one hub in the time they have been around is strange. I had one last week who even left fan mail and wanted to be included in my social networks. I did not respond.

      You, my friend in Olympia, are truly a giver on HP and in your life.

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      Annie Miller 4 years ago from Wichita Falls, Texas

      Let me play devil's advocate for a minute here. Bill, you have a lot of followers and fortunately, a lot of them comment on your profound words. By the time I read and digest many, many comments have been made that echo my thoughts bang on. So ... although I always rate, I may not always comment.

      I do however, comment on the Hubs I follow that have very few or no comments ... I usually have something to say.

      I cannot comment on why someone would join HubPages and not post anything. Maybe they're not sure what to say or checking things out and getting a feel before jumping in. I guess I'm not so quick to condemn as I haven't been here all that long.

      Thanks for another thought-provoking and interesting Hub.

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      Erik Estabrook 4 years ago from Elmwood Park, Illinois

      sorry but my opinion differs, that person with 2 followers wants followers, its not pointless to visit them, no one person sets the rules for this site. On hubpages often our files get copies, corrupted or deleted by hubpages, the point is making 2 followers 3 if you like their work. That point is one I can't stress more, as the people who have followers set the example and tone on here, you should very well know there is always a point believe me. If someone who writes well has 2 followers that's a crime in a literary sense to me and the point is you can grow their audience by a single share.

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      Marlene Bertrand 4 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Thank you for bringing up the fact that this is a WRITING arena. That is the main reason I joined HubPages in the first place. I was intrigued by the concept of being among other writers who would support and encourage each other. But, when I got here I saw a lot of negative interaction and it scared me off for a while. It actually took me six months to get up the nerve to write my first hub. I braced myself for the collection of negative criticism I feared I would receive. While I did receive some negative criticism, the majority of the feedback was encouraging. I met a lot of wonderful people here, so I stayed. I learned my way around this community and learned who to stay away from and who to follow and support.

      Incidentally, when I read the profile of the people who left negative comments, I saw that they were the ones you speak of - the ones who were following an abundance of people and who had written zero to, maybe, one hub.

      I'm glad to be following you, Bill. You are the biggest giver of all. Thank you for your support. You are very instrumental in my growth and sense of success as a writer.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I just love commenting when I should. It is fun interaction. Wow I have learned so much around here -- about me, about you, about life and about hopes and dreams and faith and hope and hardship and differences and similarities.

      Sometimes I even get angry and there is always someone to straighten me out. Sometimes I go hub hopping just to give a welcome, makes me feel like a big man on campus.

      Did you know that you can go a look for interesting stuff here and then meet the interesting person who wrote it. How cool is that, try doing that with a magazine, newspaper or book.

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      Mary Hyatt 4 years ago from Florida

      Let me give you a pat on the back, Bill. You are a fine example of what a good Hubber really is; a true giver! I really don't know how many hours you have in your day, but you must have more than I have. You always read and leave great comments on Hubs.

      I'm glad to call you a friend here, and I do apologize if I miss reading and commenting on a Hub you have written.

      Voted UP, and will share.

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      Madeleine Salin 4 years ago from Finland

      Sometimes I feel I don't give enough even if I try. I really want to read hubs by people who read my hubs. I always leave a comment when I read a hub.

      This hub could help many new hubbers. Thank you for GIVING us this hub, Bill. :)

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      livingsta 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      Hi Bill, totally understanding your feelings here. I have seen a few followers who have done that too, it's just a few, but yes it did make me wonder why, and think about what they were doing here!

      Thank you for sharing this with us.

      I am sharing this! Voted up too!

      Have a great weekend my friend. I am glad that we have other good people around who are supportive!

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      Donna Hilbrandt 4 years ago from Upstate New York

      I have been a member of Hubpages for almost a year now. When I go through periods (like recently) when I am too busy with work and life to participate in this great community, I feel bad. I never want to be a "taker," because I do think this is the best writer's group one can join. It gets under my skin when I get followers like you described. They follow, but they don't write hubs or comment on mine, which leads me to believe they don't read hubs either!

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      Catherine Taylor 4 years ago from Canada

      Bb, this hub really resonated with me, I often think about culling the number of people I am following as I feel I cannot do justice to that many people in terms of supportive comments...but then at lead 3/4s of them do not regularly post hubs or comment. I choose to focus on the givers like you. You and a few other gems have made my first year here really rewarding and I am so thankful for giving hubbers like you.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      billy,

      Aw, see there you go again... being a giver :-)

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      drbj and sherry 4 years ago from south Florida

      Followers who follow but do not write hubs? Followers who follow but do not comment? What is the point, you ask? The answer, Bill: There is no point so don't give it another thought. Just keep on being the kind giver that you are for the rest of us to emulate.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Hi Billy, I am with you 100% here. You're so right! I don't see the point either, which is why every so often, I go to my list of followers and anyone on that list who has never contributed and is just there taking up space is deleted. You're awesome my friend. Keep doing what you're doing. Your hubs are always worth a revisit. Have a great weekend:) Doc

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      Wayne Barrett 4 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Marlene, how do you delete a follower?

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, your comment is certainly clear and to the point. LOL....and I agree...don't waste the time of everyone here by playing games. I just don't understand some people, Sha, but I understand you and love you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Randi, I love the ones who leave their own website link in my comment section....there is a warning saying not to do that in the comment section but that does not stop them.

      Thank you as always, Randi! You are a wonderful follower.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lilly, bless you for doing all those things. I, too, owe a debt of gratitude to those who helped me early on. I'm just paying it forward now a little bit at a time.

      Thank you and my best to you as well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I think some new Hubbers think they will get a bonus or earn more accolades if they have a ton of followers...in other words, they are in it for themselves. Not me....and not you....

      Thank you and I hope you are having a nice weekend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Suzette. One nice thing about being my age is you don't really care about the fall-out from a hub like this one. Like you said, it needed to be said and now I have. Hopefully it will do some good. :)

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 4 years ago from The Caribbean

      Thanks for expressing thoughts that I just think about. I'd like to give even more than I do, and I keep on dropping the people who do nothing so I can more easily see those who do. By the way, if you and your wife ever come to the Caribbean, I'd be happy to meet you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much Mekenzie. It is hard after awhile following everyone. Some people, like you, fall in-between the cracks and I don't visit as often as I feel I should. I'll see if I can't do a better job in the future.

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      Erik Estabrook 4 years ago from Elmwood Park, Illinois

      This is though a vast site, and everyone has different reasons for being here. This post has everything right-minded in theme, form and message.

      I really do like the ideals in this post as well, but its is this way in every online poetry group and I have felt this way at times, a person must feel appreciated before they spread, interact and grow. That may sounds like selfishness or taking as you'd asserted but its really just the way social circles work. When people feel loved or appreciated then they share, when they don't often times they end up never taking another step. That's why you run into circumstances where people want what the other person isn't willing to provide in a literal sense. However people who make negative comments are takers in my opinion as well. Then again we can't make a precedence of rules and laws here, takers contribute in their own way and are allowed on hubpages. I would like people to fit all your ideals on here i alone don't fit into what you wish or I'd be a level 8 commenter. It takes many many comments to do so, I'm sure you know exactly how many. Main and final points are great article but we cannot force communitalization into hubpages.com. It might work better or work great for you for me everytime someone tells me its gotta be this way, it means I get left out, so I hope you can see why your article should be suggestive(and positively of course) but just suggestive.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jim! You can bet I'll be there following you because you live this principle of giving and sharing. I will always respect that and follow someone like you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Annie, I love that you are playing the devil's advocate and that you don't condemn. Like my wife, you balance me out when I go on a rant. :) Thank you for a great comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Erik, I don't think we disagree at all. Thanks for your comment and your opinion. I happen to agree with you. I think we have a difference in perspective regarding my hub.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, thank you for saying that. There was a Hubber who attacked Always Exploring recently, someone who has been with us for quite some time and is as sweet a person as you want to meet. The attacker was fairly new and had only written three hubs....I simply don't see the point in that. If you don't want to be a part of a community then why join?

      I admire you, Marlene, and I thank you for your loyalty.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Erik....lol....very true words my friend. I have found that to be true. LOL You say so much with so few words and I love it.

      Thank you buddy! Have a great weekend!

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      Erik Estabrook 4 years ago from Elmwood Park, Illinois

      thank you Billy, it might just be in the wording, I take words at face value,

      I think hubbers who find their way into friendships here and make money or just stumble into either one are blessed. I joined because a friend of mine was an avid supporter of this site. I now have had some great interactions as a result of it but we're faced with a system that's as flawed as people can be in their actions. I appreciate what I interpret as christian thoughts and it is nice to talk to you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I would never expect more than you can give. I don't expect my followers to read all my hubs. We all have another life outside of HP, and you should be involved in it. Having said that, I greatly appreciate each and every time you visit. Thank you, Mary!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Made, you give more than you probably should my dear. If people knew how busy you are with family and school, they would be amazed that you show up here at all. I know I appreciate you greatly and always will.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      livingsta, I am glad of that myself. Thank you so much for being here and being so loyal. You are everything I love about HubPages.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Hi Bill, In my experience, those who only take, often come a cropper some where down the line... baby! ( fall flat on the behind ) :). But each to his own.

      I ventured into the HP forum a couple of times when I first joined the site, it was too much like shark infested water for me, so I quickly took my toes out and never returned.

      Another great piece.

      I Hope you and Bev have a wonderful week end, take care now.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donnah, I know there are always exceptions to the rule, but someone who never comments on the hubs of others, to me, is not here to be a part of the community. I have some followers who may only comment on a hub of mine once a month, but that's because they are busy with life and I understand that. I can't get to everyone each day either....but....when you don't leave comments on any hubs???? I think the verdict is in on those people.

      Thank you Donnah!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Thunder. You are always so kind in your comments and quite frankly I think we all should be. It's impossible to follow everybody every day, but if we all just try to increase our presence and be more supportive....there are newbies who really need it. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, I don't know how to stop it. LOL Thank you dear lady!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      drbj, thanks for confirming that there is no point. I was starting to question myself and my sanity. LOL I will keep giving because that's what my followers, like you, do for me with every one of your comments.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Doc, and I'm going to delete some people tomorrow. I only have so much patience and it is wearing thin right now. :) I hope you are having a great weekend Marlene! Thank you for being you.

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      Nicole A. Winter 4 years ago from Chicago, IL

      billybuc: I couldn't agree more with a great deal of what you've said here. I recently culled many of the folks I was following, (they'd all been inactive for well over a year,) and my Hub Score shot back up to where it should be... I love reading what other folks have to say, or seeing how others think. I don't necessarily agree that disagreeing with one another makes us a taker, though, sometimes negative comments can lead to growth on the parts of both people involved.

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      April Wier 4 years ago

      Take it easy billybuc! Following your hubs is a full-time business, ha ha. Just kidding.

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      I think that your Hub is right on! HP is a great place where writers are free to write about those things that interest them or those things that they are passionate about. It is encouraging when our peers care enough to comment on our hubs. We need to be supportive of each other. Beginning hubbers may follow established hubbers before making a contribution themselves because they are seeking to learn from others .... that they are fearful or lack confidence in their own skills. Following others may be one way that they deal with procrastination. By following others perhaps they somehow believe that they are accomplishing something...that they are at least making a start. When I increase the number of hubbers I follow, I will need to develop a system to enable me to comment on their hubs on a regular basis. I only follow and comment on those hubs that interest, teach, or inspire me in some way.

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Bada bing bada bang! You hit the proverbial nail on the head with this hub. Voted ++++ and shared with all.

      I am so glad you touched upon the political and religious hubs that are posted. There are a few here who feel they can sabotage a hub by nonstop verbiage and endless websites to support their views. My feeling has always been for them to write their own hub, but I guess it is easier to attack someone else than to author your own piece.

      Then there are those fan emails where the sender tells you what a great writer you are or how funny your hubs are and yet they mysteriously have not left one comment on any of your hubs.

      I, like many here have developed some great and lasting friendships. Not unlike real life, we can be selective of those we wish to follow and support. One thing my fellow hubbers have taught me is how much more I need to learn here and yet, they almost always offer an open hand. It doesn't get much better than that.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, you can click on the tab "followers" and it will give you a list of who follows you, and next to each one is a tab that I believe says "following"...click on that and you will be unfollowing....or maybe I have that backwards...if you are following them then the tab probably says "unfollow. "

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MsDora, thank you for the invitation. If we ever make it there you can bet we will visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I really do understand what you are saying, and I happen to agree with you. I never mind someone disagreeing with me. I just mind it when someone is rude in the process. You have clearly stated how you feel and done it in a respectful manner and I respect that.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Erik, your statement that the system is as flawed as the people is incredibly right on! Thank you again.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I too, only went to the forums once...it was a bit nasty for my tastes. LOL A bit? I think some of those people eat their young. :)

      Thank you my dear and I want you to have a great weekend as well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      TheApril, I know you are kidding. I write a hub a day. No way do I expect my followers to read every one of them. I'm grateful when I hear from someone once a month, or once a week, or whatever. I do, however, have quite a few followers who I have never heard from, and I don't understand that.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nicole, I understand what you are saying, but I think negative comments are better in fan mail as a separate message and not public where it might embarrass the writer.

      Thank you for stopping by and giving your opinion. I appreciate it greatly.

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      nanderson500 4 years ago from Seattle, WA

      Good observations. I never understood the people with a thousand followers and no hubs either. I have been super busy but am trying to be more active on here this month. There is a great deal of talent here and it's nice to be part of an online writing community.

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      Cathy 4 years ago from Louisiana, Idaho, Kauai, Nebraska, South Dakota, Missouri

      Billy, you might be interested in reading this article that was recently in the New York Times--I hope it links properly here--http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/magazine/is-givi...

      I agree with much of what you have said and some of it amused me too. I think the majority that have joined want to write, and some want to read and write, while there is also the group who don't have the gift to write, but really like to read some of the subjects and hopefully they leave comments, or at least to my understanding you have to register in order to leave comments.

      I can't write comments fast enough. I wish I could visit a hub once a day from all my followers, but I can't because of the lack of time. I think many of us have our favorites because of the relationship building of writerhood (is that a word?), or we come to like the positive inferences from a certain writer, or we just like the writing style of a writer.

      I agree 150% with you in regard to negative commentary. I think any good discussion can be performed in a civil manner regardless of the topic. I think, too, if you see a handful of errors in a hub, but there is writing potential, then choose the option to email the writer, not post it in a comment because that's embarrassing. I read articles from other news sites and I cannot believe the types of comments that I read that are so insensitive and thoughtless and hateful and the language even...

      For political and religious subjects, we are all grown up wearing adult underwear, so we should act like it. Respect someone's opinion, don't slam it with hate just because you don't agree with it. But agree to disagree...I learned that notion in high school. People who instantly get hateful right off the bat have innate issues they have never dealt with and they have probably been conditioned to embrace that type of behavior.

      Okay, that's my toot for the day. I hear you loud and clear. Ah, the freedom of expression, it's a wonderful thing when it's delivered in good taste. Thumbs up.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ladydeonne, I like your style...truly! I think that's the way it should be for everyone. We do not collect followers like they are trading cards. If we are going to follow then we need to be true and actually follow. It is hard when you have a great many followers, something I will have to think about.

      Thank you and have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pages, I agree with you, it does not get much better, and I love it here on HP. I hope every single Hubber gets as much from this site as I have.

      Thank you for a great comment. You are a man of integrity my friend and I admire you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nanderson, I know all about busy, and I truly understand that. It's just the ones who never give back to this community who I do not understand.

      Thank you for stopping by and I hope you are having a great weekend in Seattle.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      honesty, thank you for sharing that link. What a great example of going the extra mile to help others. Perfect lead in to your great comment.

      I will email Hubbers and give suggestions. I think that is the only way to give suggestions. Doing it in comments can be embarrassing and we are not here to embarrass each other.

      As for the negative Nellies out there, I have no time for them and I refuse to let them rain on my parade. If they persist I delete them. Life is too short to spend it with people who want to shove their opinions down your throat.

      You I'll follow any old day because....are you ready for it....I respect you as a human being. :)

      Thank you for a great comment....you are appreciated greatly.

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      Cathy 4 years ago from Louisiana, Idaho, Kauai, Nebraska, South Dakota, Missouri

      Billy, have a fabulous weekend. You know, of the very few things in life we truly have a choice over, being positive and helpful to others is easy and free! I love that article. He's also got a book called, "Givers and Takers." Peace always.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      honesty, thank you....I will try to find that book. He appears to be my kind of guy. :)

      Enjoy your weekend my friend. You are a truly kind person.

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      I have always liked and admired you for your honesty and you kind approach to all of us. You are always there for us, and I cannot imagine anyone not being there for you. I enjoy commenting on other people's work, and so often I have learned a lot of things. That is why I enjoy the community, for all that knowledge and support. So thank YOU, Billy, for being the pillar that you are. Rest assured that we will meet, and I hope to be able to see you and Bev at my home, too.

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      Nithya Venkat 4 years ago from Dubai

      Encouraging and supporting each other is very important. You support and help many hubbers through your comments and hubs. Great job and voted up.

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      Bill De Giulio 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Bill. I can safely say that no one gives more to this community than you. One of the reasons I am here is because of people like you who are willing to share their knowledge and wisdom while supporting others. I for one very much appreciate you and what you do for Hubpages. It would not be the same without you.

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      Connie Smith 4 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Billy, my dear friend, you are the most giving person I have ever met! Even though we have never actually met in person, I trust you implicitly because of your giving soul. Your support is very important to me, and I am always amazed at your comments. They are very uplifting and useful, and quite often 'make my day'! Voted Way Up+++

      ;) Pearl

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      Amy Becherer 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      The longer I live the more I realize that for all the similarities we share, each of us is different, too. Each comes from different circumstances, with a different genetic predisposition, and different personal experiences. I think every person makes choices for a reason, Bill, consciously or subconsciously. Fear, pain, a lack of confidence, low self-esteem, addictions, even mental illness can hold some people hostage. Those that 'follow' me, I follow even if they haven't written anything yet, because, for whatever reason, they want to belong, as they are reaching out. And, maybe, someday, they will feel accepted enough to trust that those they follow will reciprocate and give them support. Sometimes, baby steps are the way to begin a journey.

      Thank you, Bill, for all the support and encouragement you give me. I will be forever grateful for the blessings of each and every reader that gives me their time, eyes, mind and heart. Nothing gives me more joy or courage. Love from St. Lou to you, my friend.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      What can i possibly say after Amy's comment, she covered my feelings completely. I have many followers who never comment on my hubs, those who do, i really appreciate and love. I am a giver and expect the same from others. Thank you Bill. You are always the first to comment on my hubs, that makes me a happy camper....

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      Wayne Barrett 4 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      FYI Billy, I just answered a question from a Hubber called, "Peeples" and referenced this article. I just wanted to give you the credit for the comments that I shared with her.

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      Lurana Brown 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      Bill, Clearly you struck a chord even if it was a new one to some of us.

      It is a already a time commitment to keep up with the relatively small number of writers I'm following, but it is so worth it. I'd rather have quality interaction than superficial contact. I can see from other threads where the invested relationships are, like when I notice someone saying "that's one of your best!" to someone else whose work they clearly know well. Noone since my high school English teachers has read my poetry seriously and it's a joy to reciprocate. :-) It is different than other friendships that way and is every writer's dream (someone is reading this and found something nice to say about it!!). If only I had more time.... :-D

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      Kas 4 years ago from Bartlett, Tennessee

      I sometimes feel like a taker Bill. I say that because of the time devoted to this. Some days are better than others and then I just feel left behind while the pack rolls on ahead. It's not anyone's fault but my own. Lately, I've been making more time but I am just not someone who can pop out a Hub like you or someone like Rajan Jolly can.

      I made a deal with myself that my main reasoning being on here would not be for money but to help people make their lives better. Would i like to earn an income with this, absolutely......but that can't be my main reason. Whether that's personal experiences in health or humor, I am happy to share. I'm also there to give an encouraging comment or two when I can. But I honestly don't feel like I've given the concerted effort it takes to really be an awesome giver. I try, my heart is to do this, but I feel I could do so much more.

      Great hub as always and I'm voting up. Thoughtful once again! God bless.

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      Mark G Weller 4 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      Well said Bill, this really is about community. The money as we all know is not a great motivation, and even recognition is scant most times. It boils down to communication with a great group of writer friends!

      Mark

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, ain't it great? HP is the place where I have found other writers who want exactly what I want....to let our words soar with those eagles of yours. You are always welcome here my friend. Keep writing and I'll be there for every one of your fine works of art.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vellur, I'm just trying to give back to a community that has been fantastic to me. Thank you for your support and loyalty my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bill, I am humbled by your words. If I do those things then I have accomplished what I set out to do. The bonus I received are great friendships with people like you.

      Thank you, Bill! Have a great Sunday!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pearl, you are a joy for me, and I hope I always "make your day." I cherish the friendships I have made here at HP..thank you for yours.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Amy, I would have been disappointed if you had commented in any other way. The voice of reason...that is what you give to me with every poem and every comment. Some Hubbers have touched me more than others, and you are one of those. Through your caring spirit and your beautiful words you have touched my heart and I will always be grateful.

      love from Oly

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, how could I not comment on your hubs as quickly as possible? I could set my clock by the time you are here every night with your comments. Thank you from the bottom of my heart dear lady.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, thank you Sir! I know Peeples....there is a writer who writes from the heart, and if you are following her then you will find that out.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lurana, we all do what we can do. Time is a huge problem, and you are a mother in addition. You have already won the respect of this community and that respect will only grow in time. You are intelligent and compassionate and you believe in a greater good. You can count on me being in your corner for quite some time. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, if it were not for this community I would have never met my brother in arms...you. I greatly appreciate and respect you and never forget that. Thanks, buddy!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kas, I think you need to cut yourself some slack my friend. You are doing what you can at this time. That will change over time. That's called life, buddy! You are appreciated by those who know you, and you will be appreciated by more over the next few months....I just want you to keep writing. If you love writing then keep writing.

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      David Warren 4 years ago from Nevada

      Great job in putting that out there! I've often wondered the same but never considered a hub on the subject. I get caught up in other projects often and somteimes place HP on a back burner but when I am here I spend more time reading and communicating with other members than writing hubs. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

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      Maria Magdalena Ruiz O'Farrill 4 years ago from Borikén the great land of the valiant and noble Lord

      I know exactly what you are pointing. I wouldn't say it the way you did, and I take my hat on front of you. The truth is the truth.

      Time is hard on some people, and all these Internet spots takes so much. By the way I saw your comment and I have not replied...let me rush and go to it. Lol.

      Billy you are loved and your honesty comes by your commitment. I hope many grab from you the lessons you give to us freely. You are a visionary, you see what others are blind at. Keep giving light, actually the more you give, the more you receive.

      I am a giver and perhaps I may be seen as a taker; but I know that I share other hubs for free. My laptop is very slow and Pushes my limits and not always I comment.

      This place is filled with warming loving people just like you.

      Take care brother and be more blessed!

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      Peggy Salvatore 4 years ago from Mid-Atlantic States US

      Boy, Billybuc, you obviously hit on something here. Lots of comments on this one. I just want to add to the people who appreciate your appreciation! I just started writing a month ago and billybuc has been great. One of the ways I try to find other people like him is to see who comments on his blogs and follow them. Like attracts like! Nice to be a new member of this community.

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      Victor W. Kwok 4 years ago from Hawaii

      You make interesting and valid points. But I believe that, like any community in the real world, such a situation as you describe about hubbers in the hubpages community is simply a reflection of human nature. There are just all kinds of people. Hubbers are members of the community, but they're also all humans whether on the internet or outside.

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

      Voted up and awesome. Now you know Bill little ole' me is a giver and then some. When I'm commenting on Hub mail I have FB open and I'm ready to pass everything along. You know recently I had two different notices telling me I had new followers and you know what? when I arrived at their sites both of them had been banned from HP. Go figure. I know who my friends are and I do the very best I can. Passing this on to my followers. Wishing you a great Sunday. Hugs.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      I've never understood people who 'collect' friends, followers whatever. As far as I know there are no prizes for having the most.

      When I first started here, I thought it was just another writing site. I could not have been more wrong. The people here are so willing to help you out, provide support and constructive criticism, when needed it.

      I admit I'm not the most prolific writer here, but with each hub read, with each comment mulled over, I find I my own writing improves and I get braver about trying new things. (Apart from poetry. I think that discpline is the domain of a special sort writer who has been blessed by Calliope herself. Seriously, I such at poetry.)

      HP is like no other writing site and that's down to the wonderful people here. This is the first place I come to in the morning and the last place I leave before going to bed. It's a little family here. I look forward to reading new hubs and reading what everyone has to say while I have my coffee.

      OK, I rambling now. I'm done.

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      Devika Primić 4 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      You said it all here I too had that experience of a new follower, with no hubs written and has followers its pointless.

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      Desmond Lee 4 years ago from Singapore

      Heys:) Great article and I am a new hubber too, looking to get off on the right start. I agree with what you mentioned as well as the other comments above and I guess giving is a mutually beneficial behavior in that when you give you receive.

      Having upcoming exams and being able to weave in and out of different hubs during my break time is really enjoyable. Hope to read more of your hubs in my breaks and to grow with the HP community as I go along.

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      Mahaveer Sanglikar 4 years ago from Pune, India

      Great analysis of behavior of some hubbers.

      I have 580 followers and I follow more than 1000 hubbers. My only intention to follow so many hubbers is to read their new hubs and comment on them. But it is not always possible to do so.

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      Renz Kristofer Cheng 4 years ago from Manila

      This is a great hub that serves as a wake up call for most hubbers here. And even I myself realized that I haven't given much to this community.

      If I would gauge it, I believe I'm 70% taker and just 30% giver as of the moment. And I won't really realize that today if I haven't stumbled upon your article.

      Hopefully, with this in mind, I would be able to reverse those percentages and be more of a giver.

      Thanks again for this wonderful hub!

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      Madeleine Salin 4 years ago from Finland

      Thank you, Bill. I guess everybody has many other things to do in life than spend time on HubPages. I've been working too much lately just because I can't say "no". It's something I still need to learn. At least I have this weekend off from work. :)

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      Chitrangada Sharan 4 years ago from New Delhi, India

      I agree with your views in this hub. I have learnt a lot here at HP and the learning process is still on. It is a wonderful community of writers, who are ever ready to help and support each other and that is the best part of HP. For now, I think I have 'Taken' more from HP, than 'Given.' Because I was a fresher to online writing, when I joined here.

      Thanks for sharing this engaging hub!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you David! This is a great community and I'm very happy that you are a part of it. Enjoy your Sunday my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, you are a giver for sure. Anyone who has followed you knows that for a fact....that's why I follow you. I don't follow takers....only genuine people who care about others. Keep being you; we need you my friend. :)

      blessings to you and Greg

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PeggyLou, thank you for the kind words. I didn't realize you had only been here a month. I see you all over the place.

      I'm glad you follow my followers. I have a great core of dedicated and like-minded people who give constantly to HP.

      Thank you Peggy!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, you make a valid and correct appraisal. These are humans acting like humans. We take the good with the bad in any community. Thank you for an excellent observation.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gypsy, you aren't the first to mention banned Hubbers. Strangely I have not run into that yet, but you must be the third or fourth to mention in on this hub. Weird that I haven't seen any of them yet.

      Yes, you are a giver, and I cherish our friendship.

      Have a great Sunday and thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, you can ramble here any old time you want.

      This is like a family, isn't it? I love it here, and I have to agree with you about poets. Talk about writing for the sheer joy of writing. They make no money here, but continue to fill our lives with the beauty of their words.

      Thank you dear lady. I greatly appreciate your friendship and yes, I consider us true friends as though we see each other in person.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE! To each his own, 'eh? I do not understand it but I'm sure they have their reasons for doing so. I will concentrate on the friends I have here and continue to build relationships with some of the finest online writers in the world.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Desmond, welcome to HubPages. I hope you find the same amount of enjoyment from this community as I have. You will get what you put into it. If I can be of any help feel free to ask me questions. That's how we all learn.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jainismus, I like you intention and no, it is not always possible. I wish I had more time in the day to follow more but I don't. Nothing I can do about that....but I try. :) Thank you Sir!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      yougotme, I love your honesty, and self-awareness is the first great step towards improvement. Thank you for your comment and best of luck to you on HP.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Made, I want you to promise me that you will do something nice for yourself before this day ends. Even if it is just a five minute walk by yourself.....you spend so much time giving to your family...give to yourself too, please. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Chitrangada, and it is a pleasure to be following you. I look forward to getting to know you better through your hubs and our interaction.

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      Sydney Spence 4 years ago from Austin Texas

      Billybuc, another great read! Honestly, I have to admit that without you and Austinstar I'd have no one here to make regular comments, give feedback etc. I admit I am one of those people that needs to work on (and have been trying to) connecting with people more, esp on Hubpages but sometimes I get down because I feel like there are very few that even make the effort anymore so then I'm like, "well ..." lol Thats throughout the world though and not just here. People just don't seem to care about one another anymore. That's just my two cents. :)

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      Kas 4 years ago from Bartlett, Tennessee

      You're right Bill, it's just taking time to grow. I can tend to be a perfectionist at times and if I don't feel what I do is great, I'm not completely satisfied with it. Thanks for the encouragement brother!

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      Greg Boudonck 4 years ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico

      I just have to say billy, that I am somewhat of a taker and sometimes a giver. I wish that I could answer every comment, but business sometimes gets out of control. We are always trying to keep the finances secure, so there is a "fine line". I appreciate you my friend. I sometimes wish I could be more of a giver like you.

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      Madeleine Salin 4 years ago from Finland

      I took a long walk with my sister today. :)

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      Alise- Evon 4 years ago

      It's really just back to the basics again, isn't it, Bill. Just taking the time to consider and do the right and kind thing.

      People are so in need of givers; I think that's why many (with right motives) gravitate to your articles. You're a rare soul, and we appreciate you.

      Voted beautiful and shared. (I shy away from "awesome" only because I reserve that for God. We already took away "wonderful," "terrible," and I can't remember what else at the moment, and I don't want to take away another word.)

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      Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

      Yes, I get these too, . . those who follow you but do not leave a comment to let you know they have read anything one has written and then you go to their profile and they have no hubs, but are following hundreds of people? I believe they may be spammers or, as you say, what is the point? When I follow someone, it is because I liked what I read that they had written and then leave a comment. When I get these types of email, I just delete them, as they are suspicious to me.

      Voted up +++ and sharing

      Blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Sparklea 4 years ago from Upstate New York

      Billy buc: voted UP USEFUL AWESOME!

      So glad to read this hub, especially your comments about hubbers attacking others. In August I will have been on Hub Pages for two years and I rave about it to all my friends and relatives...none of whom are writers but, still, I can't shut up about HP.

      Your examples floored me. Thank you!

      All you have written needed to be said, and I admire your integrity, up front honesty, and your genuine heart.

      I am quite low tech, and I still do not know how to post pictures on Hub Pages.

      You said to ask you for help. When you are not busy, perhaps you could shoot me a line on how to add photos. I just got an I phone, and I don't know if I can add pics from that either. NO RUSH.

      I so admire your consistency and loyalty to HubPages.

      I will be going on a trip in a few weeks with my daughter and I have been very busy preparing for it...so thrilled to be feeling much better and back in the land of the living.

      But I try to check out Hub Pages every day.

      I just finally attempted a new Hub, but so much has changed since I was ill, and I screwed up somehow, lost the content, and they refused to publish it! Said it was too short! All that appeared was the title!

      So I did it over again, and we will see if it pops up. (like I said, LOW TECH)

      Anyway, you continue to be a phenomenal inspiration, and I wish I could spend as much time as you on the computer...But if I did, our clothes would not be washed, no meals cooked, no dishes done...not to mention our four very spoiled cats that try to get in on everything I do. They weaken me at "purr". The only way I can work on my book is to go to Barnes & Noble.

      THANKS AGAIN for this phenomenal hub. Blessings, Sparklea :)

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      Genna 4 years ago from Tampa, FL

      This is a great hub because I think it gives perspective. So many people (myself included) tend to get caught up in writing and promoting that writing, without taking time to consider others. It's so important to support the community to which you belong. Thank you for the reminder :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sydney, I hope we got you a bit more action today. If I can help in any way please reach out and let me know. I like helping other writers...I like helping other people....and though it seems that nobody cares anymore, there are still a few of us that do. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kas, any old time my friend. You are a good man with a good message and a great sense of humor. We just have to find the audience for you. Keep working at it and it will come.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Froggy, I'm in a unique position where I am online all day long, so it's a bit easier for me to do more giving. I certainly understand why others keep busy with finances and other responsibilities. :)

      Thank you, Greg! You are appreciated as well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good for you, Made! That makes me happy.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alise, I'm perfectly fine with letting God have awesome. :) I think He has earned that label, don't you?

      Thank you for your kind words. I'm just trying to make this world a better place, one person at a time. Since there are seven billion, I'm going to stay quite busy. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith. It's always nice to know others feel the same way. I stayed quiet about it for over a year and finally decided someone needed to speak up. Since I have never been shy about giving my opinion, here it is. :)

      You know how grateful I am for you, but I'll say it again...thank you!

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lea, I was so happy to see your new hub. You are such a respected member of this community and we have missed you....I know I have.

      As for pictures, I will send you an email...provided I can find your email address. If you don't hear from me by tomorrow write to me....holland1145@yahoo.com

      Thank you for your kind words...I know you understand this simple philosophy....be the instrument of change you want to see in the world...that's how I want to live my life.

      love and blessings my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      genna, you are very welcome and thank you for understanding the spirit of this hub. I love this community and I want to see everyone do their part to keep it alive and vibrant. Thank you!

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      Lurana Brown 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      Bill, I just wanted to thank you for your reply. It means a lot to me. :-)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lurana, you are very welcome. I know quality when I see it, and I see it in you. Keep spreading your message...we need all the help we can get.

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      To be fair not everyone is a writer, some just enjoy reading. I have a few who support and comment on of my hubs, my only regret is that I am not able to support them in the same way, apart from sending fan mail they have no hubs that I can comment on.

      I do try to be a giver as much as I can, it is just unfortunate that many that I follow write on a daily basis like yourself which makes it impossible to comment on all of them. I do read and comment to the detriment of leaving myself little or no time to write. But I do appreciate all the support I have received from this wonderful community.

      The 'follow chasers' as I call them really have no idea what they are missing out on.

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      ExpectGreatThings 4 years ago from Illinois

      You one of the few hubbers who have taught me how to be a better follower and giver. I so appreciate the time you take to read hubs and to reply to comments. And honestly, you don't even have to! Your writing is good enough that we would still read your hubs even if you didn't acknowledge us! (I'm thankful you do, though :)) This hub deserves a "pat on the back." -Ginger

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rosemay, in all fairness it never dawned on me some people come to HubPages just to read. What a concept. LOL.....and I agree, those who are part of this writing process but who do not participate in the community have no idea what they are missing.

      Thank you for a great comment.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Expect, in all honesty I don't follow as many hubs as I once did. As the followers increased it became harder and harder to give attention to everyone. Now I have to pick and choose and I feel badly about that.

      Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate every follower I have, but especially those, like you, who are so loyal.

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      Cerebral Aspect 4 years ago from Westland, MI

      Hello all, I joined hubpages at the last week of March and have written 13 hubs so far. Do I plan to be a giver or a taker? Why do I have to choose? In all honesty, I plan to be both, as I think almost all people here do. I believe at least ONE of the driving forces behind most of us joining here is to diversify our income sources. But I am one who believes that you will most likely get out of something what you put into something. It takes work on your writing, as well as community participation. I plan to give it all I've got, and hopefully also reap the rewards :)

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      Heidi Thorne 4 years ago from Chicago Area

      Dang! 172 comments so far? Guess we all have got something to say on this.

      Honestly, I joined HP because I was looking for a blog-like platform for sharing content that didn't quite fit perfectly on my other blogs (and that wouldn't require me to maintain yet another blog!).

      But then as I wandered around, I found it was more like a social network of writers (or those who want to be). Actually, when I'm considering following a hubber, I look to see how long they've been on HP, how many hubs they've published, some of their achievements AND how many they are following. If their stats are pretty paltry in all departments, I don't follow.

      Glad to have found some great hubbers like you, billybuc, already in my relatively short time here on HP!

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      Linda Crampton 4 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      Thank you for being a very giving person, Bill. I appreciate all your comments and support, as well as the generous advice in your hubs. The behavior of some followers is certainly very puzzling!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cerebral, welcome to HubPages. I hope you find the same amount of enjoyment on this site as I have. Your statement that you get when you put into it certainly applies here.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, you are a very good writer and a very active member of this community. I am proud to be your follower.

      Thank you for the kind words my friend, and the advice for newcomers.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alicia. it is my pleasure completely. Following people like you is what makes this site so great. I love it here and I suspect you do as well. Thank you!

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      Ruchi Urvashi 4 years ago from Singapore

      Hi Bill, good hub to reflect on. I like your direct and confrontation style of writing. Truthfully, when I initially started I was more interested in writing and increasing number of articles. However, with time, I realized that reading others articles and writing encouraging comments and sharing on facebook is even more fun. Truly, giving is better than taking.

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      Philip Cooper 4 years ago from Olney

      Well said Billy....my pet peeve on here is when I befriend someone and comment on how much I enjoy their hubs they completely ignore me.

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      Pamela Oglesby 4 years ago from United States

      I never understood why someone would follow me when they had never even written a hub, but I guess its not worth worrying about. You are obviously a giver and I think I am a giver too; yet I receive such support and friendship on Hubpages that maybe I am a bit of a taker also.

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      Patricia Scott 4 years ago from sunny Florida

      Well said, Bill. I have had a few zingers cast my way. One was this...I emailed someone because I saw an error in their writing...and told them privately what I had found. I said I did not know if they would want to know but I would so I shared it. Then I got back a seething email that I had better check such and such as it had a lot of mistakes. Well, I did and found none so I wrote back and asked them to be more specific. Silence. I had others read it and there were no errors.

      So now I reluctantly let someone know if I see an error. When I first began on HP, I made a lot of errors and then I found spell check. My vision is not great so I have a lot of trouble editing. But I read and reread to help find them. Now I have gotten better, thank goodness, as I died a thousand deaths each time I find a mistake.

      There have been other times when I was zapped but I publish those comments and move on.

      I try every time I get a comment to go back asap and comment in return and then go to their site and read and comment. I have had recently a number of comments from those who are unpublished. It does make me wonder....

      Anyway, I do think I have rattled on far too much but this touched a nerve.

      We are here to help each other...bottom line. In this community we can find those who care about us far beyond our writings. And like you as I teacher I learned that giving is THE answer in many many situations.

      Have a lovely lovely Monday, Bill.

      Many Angels are on the way to you today :) ps

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Another wonderful share Billy and what a wonderful place hub pages is. I am the same person in my daily life as I am on here and feel so rich

      to have found so many wonderful and lifelong friends.

      This comes from someone who not so long ago rather haughtily stated that it was not possible to make friends online. I hold my hands up and admit that I was so very wrong.

      Thank you so much once again for sharing this wonderful gem.

      Lots of love

      Eddy.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      What IS the point? lol..

      your outrage is adorable - as is your tongue!

      i like to think of myself as a....BOTH-er - or...a BOTHER - depending how one sees it...lol..

      i really don't know how you do it, my friend - you truly amaze..

      i often wonder if Bill Holland's day consists of 25 hours - where us mere mortals days consist of, ya know - the usual..

      love your heart, Bill!

      hub-SHARING..lol

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruchi, I think the same transformation happened for most of us. It is very hard to not become a part of this community once you have started. There are too many good people, such as yourself, to ignore.

      Thank you!

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      DJ Anderson 4 years ago

      Great point, Bill.

      Your words are golden. I read and re-read your informational hubs.

      You have a full time job just commenting back to your followers. I

      don't see how you have the time.

      Thank you for all your kind efforts.

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      one2get2no, true words and I have had that happen many times. I don't understand it but then I guess it's not my job to understand but only to accept and take care of my own side of the street. :) Thanks for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pamela, I receive huge support, so in that way yes, I am a taker. I just try to give back as much as I can and balance the scale a bit.

      Thank you as always my friend and have a great week.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, those of us who have been here awhile can share similar instances where our comment was not well-received, or where we were attacked. That is always the risk when one is a giver. Happily there are many more instances where our comments and support are greatly appreciated and I live for those moments.

      Yes, my friend, you are a giver of the highest ranking. Keep doing what you are doing and you will keep getting the love and admiration you are getting. :)

      Blessings and a hug winging their way to you on this foggy Monday

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ah, Eddy, I believe I made a similar statement several years ago. LOL Just goes to show how wrong I can be at times. Now I can't imagine my day online without my many friends.

      You are a wonderful giver and human being and I am proud to call you my friend.

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Leslie, I have no answer for ya....I'm just driven to write, and my mind is overflowing with ideas, or shit, or something. LOL

      You I appreciate greatly....would love to meet you one day, but the miles are a major roadblock at this time. One can always hope.

      love ya Sis!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I can always make time for friends, and you are all my friends. I love this community and the relationships I have formed here. We share a common bond and that bond strengthens with each day.

      Thank you my friend. Have a great week.

      bill

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      Jools99 4 years ago from North-East UK

      Well said Bill - I feel the same way when I get followers and fan mail without any comment on a hub to accompany it. I have gathered most of my followers slowly and I don't follow someone unless I'm prepared to read and comment on their hubs. I don't comment as often as I used to but that's down to time - I still share regularly though and still read a lot of hubs every day.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Julie, the time issue is a very real one and I understand it completely. The longer I am on HP the less time I have for HP...kind of a Catch 22. :) I appreciate you taking the time to visit and comment.

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      Linda Compton 4 years ago from The Land of Enchantment

      Hey Sir William,

      I feel your frustration. You inspire me to give more! I don't spend as much time reading and commenting as I do writing, and your points are well taken! Since I look forward to having comments, I am now looking forward to giving them :) Ironically, I read a lengthy hub recently and gave a thoughtful comment, with one critique and one suggestion. It wasn't published or commented on in return. Then I looked more carefully at the published comments - all praising the hub 100%. That was an interesting experience. I always try to be positive...maybe my comments seemed critical or self-promoting or something, I'm not sure. Was sharing from my heart, which is what I believe in. I ALWAYS value your thoughts and love your comments and will be better! Just went from level 2 to 3 commenter, now on to 4, etc!!!

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      athulnair 4 years ago from India

      Good views about the activity of hubbers. You are right, but there could be a possibility that, the person follows many so that he can get all the updates or new hubs in his feed. He may be very much interested to read. But this fact holds only when if he follows great authors.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, you are one of those people I would love to meet and enjoy a cup of tea with. I love your attitude about life and the fact that you speak the truth from your heart. Keep doing what you are doing and you will have more followers than you know what to do with....and wouldn't that be a lovely problem? LOL

      Thank you my friend. I will be by shortly.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      athulnair, thank you for your interpretation. I honestly don't know what causes someone to do that, and I do find it curious. :)

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      goego 4 years ago from Loserland

      After scrolling through all these comments I forgot what I was going to say... Nice work bill, this virtual connection to people does seem to get a little sterile at some point. It seems we all loose focus and stray towards fortune and fame, or popularity and numbers... I'm not really sure. This whole fabrication of our lives seems so false at points and I don't really know if i'm a giver, taker or just a plain ol' faker... 'Life' what a crazy place.

      -Thanks for keeping everybody thinking and communicating, best wishes

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      Jonathan McCloskey 4 years ago from Cinnaminson, New Jersey

      Well written, billybuc. I have taken a shine to many members here on HubPages and I try to support as much as I can whilst also keeping up with my own writing. The tea is always on the fire and the coffee is always in the brewer if you ever come to visit.

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      Rev Bruce S Noll HMN 4 years ago from Asheville NC

      Hi Bill!

      Ok, when I got to the bottom this response I recognized it should have been a hub. LOL - Sorry!

      Sometimes leaders have to take a stand on their content and that's how I see what you have done here. I see it as part of the Hubpages curriculum, a lesson, if you will, from one of the more experienced writer/teacher/guides. Hey, we have to get it from somewhere, why not get it from a trusted source?

      One of the most difficult aspects of writing, in my humble opinion, is the fear of not reaching your intended audience. A close second to that is reaching that audience and then receiving criticism, constructive or otherwise. Let's face it sometimes it hurts. I have to say I have received very few uncomplimentary communiques. That may be because the real writers here, like you, have been so kind and generous with their comments, encouragement and support. Most of our fellow hubbers, even though they may disagree, are genuinely trying to express themselves and simultaneously build a safe site for writers who want to expand their horizons and the horizons of those others who are drawn, for whatever reason, to our community.

      One last point! In my view, and one I hope I demonstrate here on hubpages, giving and receiving are equal and theY happen at exactly the same time. As a matter of fact, they are inseparable. You cannot possibly give any part of yourself without getting equal or greater value in return. Conversely, you cannot receive without giving something of yourself away in return, even if that something does not seem to be of the same weight. There is a law of balance that over time, unfolds. Thus the phrase I think, "to those who give much, much will be given and to those who give little, little will be given."

      In a grateful spirit, I am always glad to see your comments on my hubs. (And they are usually the first right after publishing) I'm honored because I know how many people follow you and are followed by you. This is true for other hubbers I'm sure. Even if this didn't happen, at least at this stage of my membership, I choose to focus on the good comments, learn from the criticism and just keep on writing, because that's why we're here. For those who make money here, congratulations. For those who are here because they love to write, I say thank you. For those who are doing both and teaching and supporting others, keep up the great work and THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jon! If I ever get back to Jersey I'm going to be quite busy meeting with all of my east coast Hubber friends, but I will definitely take you up on the invitation.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Goego, you make an excellent point and thank you for bringing it up. This is a strange venue in that we never really speak to another human being, and yet we form bonds based on one commonality...writing. Stale does enter into the picture, as does sterility, and I totally understand where you are coming from. In the end I respect your statement about not knowing if you are a giver or taker. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bruce, what a beautiful comment. Sorry it took me so long to get here, but I wanted to give you the time that you deserved after such a comment.

      This was a lesson. I want everyone to experience the joy that I have found on HubPages, but it will only happen if they give as much as they receive. Like you said, there is a balance at work here and it needs attention to work properly.

      I understand there are those who simply want to write....but I have had an increasing number of hubbers who don't understand why they never get comments, and to those I would say you gotta give to get. :)

      This site is my second home. I love it here and I love people like you who write for the pure joy of writing, and who constantly try to help others through your words. In other words, I love people who are as passionate about writing as I am. :)

      Thanks buddy. I hope you and your family are well.

      love and blessings, today and always

      bill

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      Peggy Salvatore 4 years ago from Mid-Atlantic States US

      If anyone here is interested in a Meetup in Jersey sometime, I'm sort of in the 'hood and would enjoy meeting some of you f2f. (beach day?) I hope that isn't outside the bounds of the intent of this virtual group. I am so happy I stumbled upon this a month ago; it's a terrific outlet and support system for writers. Thanks, everybody!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Peggy, there are quite a few Hubbers in New Jersey...too bad there isn't a directory that shows locations of writers. You would have no trouble finding people to gather with you.

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      skye2day 4 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Hello dear precious bro. I love it when I get a new follower. It is very special indeed. Yes we do reap what we sow. In thoughts words deeds actions. It is no wonder you are so Blessed. You bless each heart that comes near with the light of Christ that shines in you. Keep em coming dear brother. Love your writing style. You are a Blessing in a hurting world. In Christ, Your sister, Skye.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skye, I do believe that is the nicest thing said to me today. :) Thank you! I want to see more positives in the world...I want more givers in the world....and yes, I want more love in the world. I am a dreamer my friend, and always will be.

      Blessings to you, today and always

      bill

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      Stephanie Hicks 4 years ago from Bend, Oregon

      Bill, in my 5+ years on HP, I have yet to meet another hubber who gives as you do. You are an amazing, supportive backbone of the community. I often find "new" hubbers to follow and enjoy their works because of your involvement.

      Not only that, but your written contributions are consistently of high quality and encourage readers to think, take action and more.

      I'm so happy that we've had the chance to meet in "real life" and I'm a dedicated reader and follower of your works and FB postings

      All the best, Steph

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      Cindy Murdoch 4 years ago from Texas

      lol ... you have certainly struck a nerve here. Look at all these comments! I too agree that the relationships that I have been able to develop on HP have been wonderful, and without them, I know that I would not have had the success I have had on HP. Everyone is a true blessing. I have even developed relationships with people who attack my writing... lol. I bet they don't understand that.

      I truly love the wonderland land of hubpages and the people I have met here. If you read this and you are one of them. My hat goes off to you and thanks so much!

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Bill,

      Truer words were never spoken my wise buddy. Embracing the community here is the one thing without a shadow of a doubt, that has helped my writing and forge lasting friendships. i have tried to interact and be a "good team player" from day 1 and the benefits have been so rewarding. Having an idea materialize into a product by another hubber buddy was the most awesome feeling, getting a hub acknowledged with a comment from another and reading article from gifted writers so inspiring. Plenty of wow moments are here on HP IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GIVE.

      You are the example above all other examples my friend, a true 100% team player who is constantly giving and has the respect of us all who are lucky to have you as a friend. Rock on my good friend!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Steph, your comment means a great deal to me. Five years on HP? I can't imagine, and yet you still take the time to be supportive of others here. I know I appreciate you greatly, and I love that I have actually met you in person....you are a good friend and I thank you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Cindi! I read every comment. I owe that to the people who have taken the time to comment. I admire you and your writing. You were established and respected when I first got here, and I appreciate you taking the time to support me early on and still today.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzie, when I see success stories like yours my heart swells. It is such a great feeling to see a writer grow and see success. You are a wonder, but beyond that you are a quality human being and I will always support someone who cares about others. Thank you, Irish!

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      Joan Veronica Robertson 4 years ago from Concepcion, Chile

      Hi Billybuc! What a lovely Hub this is! I had joined the Welcome Waggon and enjoyed reading and encouraging newbies, but Hubpages closed that down recently "for lack of bandwidth" so now I've lost that delight! I do wish more Hubbers would listen to your words. I try to comment as much as I can, and participate and be positive in my feedback, but since I lost my job my world has been turned upside-down. I have no computer during the day, I'm using a Cyber, and at night I fall asleep on top of the keyboard. I'm averaging about 4 hours of sleep in my bed, the rest is done sitting in a hard chair. Other than that, I would like to think of myself as a giver. I certainly hope that is true. I used to receive lots of comments, but when traffic dropped, everybody seems to have become so involved in trying to keep up their traffic (and understandably so!), the comments on my Hubs have all but disappeared. Writing is lonely work at best, so if we don't all give support to each other, then it's like living on a desert island. At present I'm trying to find a way to continue the idea of the Welcome Waggon just on my own initiative, but the Hub Hopper loads too slowly around here. So anyway, I don't know where I'm going with this ramble, so I will stop, and just say Congrats, Bill, you did it again, wonderful Hub!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joan, I am truly sorry about your job and having to give up your computer. I can't imagine a day without the computer. I hope things get better for you soon. As for the Welcome Wagon, I don't understand HP and their motivation sometimes. I don't know what the bandwidth problem is but I'm certain they could fix it if they chose to do so.

      Thank you for stopping by despite your hardships. I appreciate you making the effort and your kind words.

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      4wardthinker 4 years ago from Sierra Nevada CA

      Great hub! I am so glad to hear you address this issue and write the honest truth. I am a passive hubber and write randomly, but if I find a quality hub or someone who needs a little support, I am happy to follow.

      So happy to come across your hubs. I can use the quality information you provide to the writing community. Again, I am happy to follow.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      4wardthinker, thank you for the kind words and I am happy to follow you as well. Have a great weekend and keep on writing.

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      Susan Holland 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Bill! Sometimes time dictates my giving and taking. I would help anyone who asked, and I love to share. I don't get to comment as much as I would like, but I do vote. In my heart, I am a giver. Some day I hope to prove it more by getting to spend more time on HP's and in our writers' groups.

      You are right about HP's being a place where bonds of friendships have been formed. If any of my hub friends are ever traveling through my area in MO and didn't try to contact me, I would definitely be upset. I would take tons of pictures and each of us could write a hub about it. ;-)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Susan, you will forever be remembered by me as someone who reached out to me when I was first starting out, and gave me the encouragement and acceptance to continue. You will always be a giver in my book, so thank you so very much.

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      Linda Crist 4 years ago from Central Virginia

      Ouch! Right on! Give it to em straight! Hell yeah! lol

      I love it when you get on your pedestal and preach. It's just like going to church and feeling like the preacher is talking to you and only you. I am guilty of neglect lately. I'm not sure it qualifies me as a taker but I certainly haven't been taking care of my friends here. Sorry! :-(

      This was good Kindred, a write that we all needed. I'll never do it quite as good as you but I do try to emulate your charitable spirit most of the time. You were there for me when I was so, so green and I hope that one day others will say the same about me. Thanks my special friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kindred, apologies are never needed from you. Anyone who knows your story knows you are doing all that you can do right now. Stop with the apologies. And I have no doubt that you will and do offer others the same that I do....you are a giver or I wouldn't love you the way I do. :)

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      Bill, I have quite a large number of followers, but I realize most are those who keep tabs on your writing for personal interest (copy cats, marketing, etc.). Occasionally, I get fan mail with "I am following you, so follow me." They just don't get the purpose of community. It would be great if HP would force newbees to go through a training program before allowing them to post a hub.

      As it is, due to my increased work load, my posts will be minimal this spring and summer. I will still capture your hubs and those who give in the community who are true writers at heart. I appreciate your help and how much you inspire others to live well and happy. If we can reach one person, that is worth it all.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, I love your idea of newbies having to pass a course....it will never happen but I love the idea.

      Thank you for following me so loyally. You are greatly appreciated, Dianna. You are the personification of community.

      Have a wonderful weekend my friend.

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      Rolly A Chabot 4 years ago from Alberta Canada

      Hi Billy... a well thought out hub you have here and one to ponder. I have been around for going on four years and have come and gone from here and back again because of the community that has been formed.

      It does take a great deal of time and investment to read an comment and encourage. The rewards that come back are far worth the effort.

      I ventured into the realm of forums once and commented on something and was eaten alive in there. There are some real haters in there and yes that do mean well.

      I wish I could devote more time here in HP. Yes it is a machine in some ways but it is the friendships that have come from here that are amazing.

      This is a good word Billy and I stand with you... great wisdom and honesty...

      Blessings and Hugs from the North

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rolly, it is tough at HP. I want to do more than just write for HP, but I don't want to leave here either, so I am in the process of trying to find a balance I can live with. In the meantime, I will keep supporting those who have been so good to me....spreading the love my friend.

      Thank you and blessings to you always

      bill

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Amen bill this is a great hub I am so glad you wrote it I have been thinking about this for a while I am so thankful I am a part of the hub and I know each and everyone of you I feel like I am so blessed the ones that are really good friends at follow me and

      comment and encourage me

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      I want to say what a I want to say what a blessing to read this hub.. blessings to you

      Deb

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Debbie. I feel the same way my friend. HP is one of the best things I have ever done.

      Blessings to you always

      bill

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Bill sorry my phone was messing up earlier.. Blessings to you dear friend

      deb

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Have a great week, Debbie!

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      Theresa Ast 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Good evening, Bill. Such a great hub, straight forward, to the point, the kind I wish I had written myself, but since I didn't, I am so glad you did. I have certainly thought the same things many times.

      I couldn't agree with all you said any more if I tried to. There are people who come to HP with dollar signs in their eyes are who want to add followers, like you add notches to a belt. It is crazy making, either they don't understand, or don't care to understand that HP can be, and is, so very much more.

      This was a healthy and cleansing rant. Too bad, most of "them" probably won't read it. Every so often it is right and appropriate to express a little righteous anger. Thank you for speaking for so many of us. Theresa

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, I rarely say anything negative about Hubbers. My experience has been too good here for me to do that often....but every once in awhile it is necessary. I don't like being used and I fear there are some here at HP who use others for their own gain. So sad that they miss out on the community aspect that you and I love.

      Thank you, Theresa!

      blessings,

      bill

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      Lana Zakinov 3 years ago from California

      You make some excellent points, Bill. I've made a profile on HP 4 years ago and left it dormant for a while. Only recently I started to participate in the site more actively, leaving comments, reading other hubbers etc. I realize now that the nature of this site IS very interactive: it's not so much the articles you write, it's the people you engage, and also the people who've engaged you.

      I also had a few incidents where people started arguments in the comments section of my hubs because they disagreed with my views politically or socially, even after I repeatedly stated that it is only my opinion, I don't have a claim to the absolute truth, and if you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Discussion is one thing; but an argument with a purpose of "debunking" someone else's point of view...Luckily, it's fairly rare on HP, most people are kind and supportive, and I try to respond in the same way to everyone. Thank you for the hub!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      kalinin, I have run across the occasional person who hungers for argument, but for the most part I just thank them for their obnoxious opinion (LOL) and move on. This is a writer's site, and I am here to support writers...period!

      Thanks for your perspective on HP and I'm glad you are more active.

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      Linda Lum 3 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Billybuc - Thank you for writing this--I feel that you have been reading my thoughts (and then arranged them into a clear, logical, well-presented hub). The students who had you as their teacher were very lucky indeed.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carb, thank you very much. What a lovely comment. You made my morning. :)

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      I agree with your points Bill. Your hubs are useful and I usually go back and read them. That is good to know that if I ever have a question, I can ask you. I would have to say that I am a giver.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, thank you, and I definitely agree that you are a giver. :) Have a great weekend my friend.

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      Christina M. Castro 3 years ago from Baltimore,MD USA

      Hi Billybuc, I am glad I decided to read your hub first today. I love getting my notifications on email about what is happening on Hubpages. I had no idea I would be writing consistently for the joy of writing here on this website. I had no idea that I would be touching the hearts of over 50Thousand readers in 3 years with my own wisdom and love for poetic and informative words. I think it is amazing how I have been told I have about 268 followers but only the same 5 to 10 hubbers comment on anything I publish all the time. I try my best in my busy life to stop and visit others hubs and to comment as much as I can. Then, being on a social website and having real internet connection with the people who are writing these hubs I read has broadened my life tremendously. I agree with you that the people who join hubpages who have no interest in contributing hubs are perhaps very selfish and nonsensitive to the sense of Community that we develop for each other here. I have flagged hubbers before for being inappropriate and I now see a diminshed amount of inappropriate hubs on my newsfeed.

      I thank you so much for addressing such issues. I look forward to perhaps developing a calendar to organize my hub reading (a hubber or two per night of the week I suppose). Thanks for sharing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      CM, what a beautiful comment. I think it is hard for those of us who have been with HP for a certain amount of time to keep up with everyone...in fact, it is impossible. I was addressing in particular those who have no problem receiving comments but never reciprocate, and then have the audacity to go online and complain about the lack of dues. We are all busy people, but if we want to be a part of a community then we need to do our part. :) I see you around so much that there is no doubt you are a giver here at HP and a respected giver at that. :)

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Wow I know what you are talking about here. I am very opinionated but I do not attack anyone's hubs, give praise where praise is due and have been insulted more than a few times and had one person try to change the way I wrote, just kept coming in on a hub that was getting good comments knocking a very interesting hub about an early settler in America whose writings were kept in a Moravian church. I was thrilled to be reporting what I found but somehow the whole thing just got ruined by one ...well I will say, jealous, person. She really managed to spoil the whole works as I was writing follow up stories but her constant badgering just caused me to remove the follow-ups and by then the first story sort of just died before it was born. I think there is a special hell for people like that Bill.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, it is an interesting phenomenon. There are people who seem to be naturally negative towards everything. If there is a special hell for that woman I hope it is a remedial writing course where she never gets a passing grade. :) Thank you my friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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      Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

      I've always been a giver in my life so of course I'd be a giver on HP too. I'm not a fan of takers, never have been, never will be.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Neither am I, Linda...neither am I. Thank you for being who you are.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      This one must have slipped by me the first time Bill. I can't remember reading it and in flicking through the comments didn't see my name, but better late than never. I agree totally with the message here. I think it should be a good balance of give and take here at HP. You reap what you sew so to speak. the more generous you are with your encouraging comments, sharing other's hubs etc, the more you will receive in return. You are so generous with your advice, comments and sharing. It amazes me how you can find the time to comment of every hub of people you follow. I try my best but still fall behind. I have always followed more people than follow me, but the gap has been closing as I have to be more selective now I am having trouble keeping up with notification emails. Anyway I'll stop rambling....great job.

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      Paula Atwell 2 years ago from Cleveland, OH

      Okay, so it took me a couple of hours to scroll down to the end of these comments. LOL.

      Your point is quite valid, Bill, and I have seen this over and over on many socially-based sites. I think to succeed in any endeavor, we must give AND take. After all, it is up to us to persevere and take responsibility for earning a living an taking care of ourselves and our family. That necessitates taking help where we can get it and improving our own lives.

      However, and this is a big however, passing on some of what we have experienced and learned to help others around us as part of the process actually helps us too in the end, because we build a healthy community that grows together. And if, by just a few words of assistance, we can help someone improve their lot in life, how much better does that make us. Sometimes just the smallest bit of help can change someone else's life and you may not ever know that you did.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's not easy, John. I would be lying if I said it was. You do much better than most my friend, and I am appreciative of your efforts. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Great points, Paula, and I agree with all of them. Sadly, there are some writers here who will never understand or grasp your points. Thank you for sharing them.

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      Eugene Samuel Monaco 2 years ago from Lakewood New York

      Bill, You make a valid point here, I'm new to HP. I've been on Squidoo for a little over a year now and have published over 100 lenses that are now Hubs. When I first started, had it not been for the supportive community of writers, and all of the help they offered, I would have most likley given up. I have never seen myself as a writer, but the support pushed me along. All I know is that I like to write about things that I know and people do read my stuff. I'm a strong believer in giving back. Thanks

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, esmonaco, that same theory will work quite well here at HP. Welcome again and I hope you enjoy this site as much as I do.

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      Kathryn Grace 2 years ago from San Francisco

      As a Squidoo transplant, I am grateful that most of my Squidoo community chose to come over together. We're not new kids on the block, standing all alone.

      What has been wonderful to me, and I know to many other Squids, is the outpouring of welcome and support from Hubbers, including you, Billy.

      Your encouragement and advice, and that of so many others, makes this jaw-jarring transition so much more comfortable than it might have been.

      Thank you for helping to build a supportive community.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      econgranny, if I've helped in any way, then I'm happy. I'm glad you are here, and thank you for supporting me.

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      Linda Jo Martin 2 years ago from Post Falls, Idaho, USA

      Hi there... I appreciate your comments here. Most of us need to learn to give more - not only online, but in our offline lives. Giving is a talent for some, a learned response for others. Generosity isn't something we're all born with. Some of us are too worried about our own lives to be greatly concerned with the needs of others. Sad but true. I struggle with generosity issues. Maybe some people would be surprised to learn that about me - but I do think online generosity is easier than offline. Perhaps it comes from years of deprivation and the feeling of being needy. There are many variations on the level of giving people are capable of. Those who are total users are the worst, and while they're easily spotted online, sometimes they can be deceptive elsewhere, pretending to be what they aren't. Anyhow, thanks for giving me things to think about.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, that was a wonderful comment. I think your reflections are right on and I agree with them. Thank you.

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      CrisSp 2 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Amen to that Father Bill. Oh, ok Brother Bill. :)

      Based on my irregularity on HP, you be the judge of my performance. "Am I a taker or a giver"? :) I know, I'm a loyal follower but I find it hard to catch up and comment on every article specially if I'm at 37K feet. I also freelance, teach on the side and don't forget cook dinner. You see this mama needs to work hard. :) I know for sure I've missed a lot of good hubs. However, when I read and I like the article, I make sure to drop a line, re-post, pin and share the hub. After all, sharing is caring.

      And, speaking of followers, I noticed there are some hubbers who would encourage and invite you to be their follower by following you first. And so more often than not, as a courtesy, we follow back and once it's done, that hubber will eventually unfollow you. He/She's definitely a taker, eh? Talk about sincerity.

      I'm not that concern about it but I think it's greedy smart.

      BTW, congrats on your well deserved hubby award. What do we do without Billybuc? :)

      Love from the sky~

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      skye2day 2 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Hello Bro. I am grateful to see you are still up and running at the hubs. I know that I have been blessed indeed with many of your hubs. I have not written in a time. Many changes in my life and I was redirected for a season. I do come in on occasion and stop in for a read two or three. I hope to be putting fingers to keyboard soon via hubs. My first thought on the followers who read and do not write is to be thankful. I know\of one hubber that reads many hubs and encourages so many on these pages. Yet he has not written a thing. I will bet he comes to your site as well. Some people love to read and if one word I write can help another All glory to God. If one word the non published writer leaves in comment and he does I am delighted. Because he is a giver. He supports many and I think he is a God sent. Maybe one day he will publish. He is a kind and generous man. Guess he likes many at this here community. We all hope to have numerous readers but as for me it is not about me butt what I can do as a child of God. It is all about Him. The starter and finisher of our faith, the creator the King of Kings. Jesus Christ. I love ya billybuc and I pray each day is

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, thank you my friend. You have your plate full for sure, but I consider you a giver all the way. I appreciate you and everyone like you, and thank you so much for your kind words about the Hubbies.

      blessings and hugs from Oly

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skye, if you pray for me daily, then I am in good hands. Thank you dear friend. I think I know about the follower you mentioned...faithful for sure, no taking at all. One of many who bless me daily.

      I hope all is well with you, and it was wonderful to hear from you.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Mothers of Nations 2 years ago

      Interesting article. I've enjoyed this hub along with many others you've written. I think this is a great piece for some of the newbies to understand, as I have come across a few as well who do this very thing. In time they will see that HubPages is very different...

      You know why I value HP? Because of the supportive community and the friendships being built. I love encouraging others (not just here, but everywhere) and I'm grateful to be a part of this.

      God bless you, BillyBuc!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mothersofnations, you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you for stating what others need to see....if you want a supportive community of writers, HP is the place to be.

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