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Establishing a Respect Zone on HubPages

Updated on November 19, 2014

It Begins with a Game of Wiffle Ball

When we were young kids, my friends and I played endless hours of wiffle ball. For those uninitiated, it was basically baseball with a plastic ball full of holes. It was the perfect game to play in an urban neighborhood. Our games could be played in a front yard and there was no danger of breaking windows. A win-win situation for sure.

We set these games up so that if we played in my yard, I could name the rules of the game. If it was played in Bob’s yard, he named the rules. I remember Bob used to declare that you had to run the bases backwards. Tommy said that ground balls were base hits, and fly balls were automatic outs.

Me? I never changed the rules. To me, baseball was sacred. So great was my respect for the game that I just couldn’t bring myself to alter the rules that had stood for over 100 years.

Which brings me to the point of this essay.

Back in the wiffle ball days
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RESPECT

Sing it with Aretha Franklin….R….E….S….P….E….C….T.

I recently wrote an article about the horrors of war, and I received some great comments from people who were obviously passionate about that topic. Let’s take a look at one of those comments.

“I would like to thank you ,billy...for demonstrating what free speech is all about. Some of us cringe every time we comment, because we are waiting to be belittled and insulted, or just plain deleted from space (speaking for myself anyway).....and it's not a good feeling.....especially on a site for people who like to write...!! hello--ideas.....

But we carry on anyway...because this is America, and we are supposed to be equals here. Plus, free speech is supposed to mean hearing things you don't like....but respecting the right to say it.

So--three cheers to you! For treating all people and opinions with the same respect and dignity: salute”

Thank you, to my friend, for leaving that comment, and for giving me the idea for this article.

What I Have Always Tried to Do

First, let me say that I failed three times as far as I remember, but what I have always tried to do on HubPages is be respectful. When someone leaves a comment on my article, and it is negative or downright rude, I will generally just thank them for the comment and leave it at that. If you need any proof of that, take a look at the article I wrote about child abuse at Spirit Lake Indian Reservation.

But the point is this: I’m not on this site to attack people. To me, HubPages is a community of writers. My job is to support those writers. Period! Writing is a tough gig on the best of days, and the last thing a writer needs is to be attacked and called names, so I refuse to do those things.

Of course I have received comments that make my blood boil. Hell, I read articles almost daily that I strongly disagree with….and I may, in return, state respectfully my opinion, but I never stoop to name-calling. I won’t do it. It’s beneath me.

So, harking back to my wiffle ball days….my game, my rules.

Here’s How the Game Is Played at Billybuc Land

I am declaring my site to be a safe zone. Name-calling and vicious attacks simply will not be tolerated. If you disagree with my viewpoints, or the viewpoints expressed in comments, most certainly feel free to disagree in the comment section, but do it in a respectful manner. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me. Hell, I expect it….but I will not tolerate rudeness. I treat others with respect and I damned well better get respect in return….or you will be gone.

My game, my rules!

If you feel the need to be rude, then by all means, as quickly as possible, go to the forums and be rude until the cows come home. That’s the place for rudeness. There are those there who will gladly debate with you, call you names, and generally treat you like you are the dumbest thing to ever walk the earth.

But don’t bring that crap to my site.

My game, my rules!

Allow me to summarize for those who are a little slow this morning.

If you disagree with me or the comments of my followers…..great!

If you express that disagreement in a rude or demeaning way….you are out of here (picture an umpire kicking a player out of the game with the old heave-ho)

My game, my rules!

Join me in a little RESPECT
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Yes, Free Speech Is Allowed

I’m all for free speech. I believe in that freedom as one of the fundamental freedoms in this country….but I believe in respect even more, and I solemnly promise to you that from this day forward, if you come to my site you will be treated with respect. I may not agree with you, but you will receive respect. Heck, I may not even like you, but you will be treated with respect.

I am so turned off by politics right now. The Democrats hurl vitriol at the Republicans, the Republicans do the same to the Democrats, the name-calling continues unimpeded, the art of compromise is tossed out the window, and all we are left with is a nation that is so divided as to be stagnant and non-functioning.

That is not going to happen on my writer’s site on HubPages. I’ve paid my dues here. I’ve put in three long years of writing and commenting, and if I want my site to be rudeness-free then it will be rudeness-free.

Period!

My game, my rules.

And if you are ever in my neighborhood, stop by for a game of wiffle ball. Just remember…..

My game, my rules.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc_

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Doc, you can play in my game any old time you want. Thank you and it's good to see you around again.

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      lovedoctor926 2 years ago

      Your game, your rules. I agree with your views. very well-said. voted up awesome!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Marissa. I appreciate you stopping by.

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      Marissa D. Carnahan 2 years ago from Nevada

      Back here on HubPages after a long break. And the first place I stop: Bill's page for some quality reading. This is great piece, first for its message and second for its approach. As always, you bring a tone to your writing that I'll always respect.

      Glad to be back.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      We can for sure, Deb, and I have no doubt that you are enforcing it in your world. Thank you!

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      No question about respect. If nothing else gives this country a leg to stand on, it HAS to be respect. And THAT is something that we can enforce.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Glimmer, you are right in that they are entertaining. As long as I don't get drawn into the conflict, it's as entertaining as reality television. LOL

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 2 years ago

      Luckily my articles here are pretty tame and I rarely get a disrespectful or rude comment. I do read the forums and boy can they get brutal. I don't often comment on them for fear of getting slammed. But they are entertaining to read. I don't mind differences of opinions, but draw the line of nastiness.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, I love the visual...puffed-out hissy fit...I'm the same way. Disagree with me and I'm fine. Be nasty and I get nasty in return very quickly. Thanks for the visit and you are welcome here any old time.

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      Cat on a Soapbox 2 years ago

      Thank you!! I have little patience w/politics and the vitriol that comes from the media these days. I have ventured into the forums but don't recommend it for those w/ thin skin. The very nature of writing as creative or emotional expression is sacred to me, and personal attacks, unlike constructive criticism, will definitely raise my hackles and send me into a puffed- out hissy fit like any threatened feline-lol. I appreciate the safe-haven here:)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Flourish, I'm with you all the way. My political and religious views are mine. Nobody is going to change them with their opinion, and I have no desire to debate them with anyone...and I extend that thinking to the views of others. Believe whatever you want; it's fine with me. :) Thanks for your thoughts and have a wonderful weekend.

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      Billybuc land. I like that. Right now (as Amazon ads for the Hillary nutcracker and Obama toilet paper pop up right here) I tend to ignore politics. There's just no decency in it. My values are pretty firmly established, and I usually don't debate them. I haven't gotten too many disrespectful comments, thankfully. Most Hubbers are polite and respectful giving and receiving comments, but I have definitely seen nasty stuff in the forums and stay away from that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, there is no doubt about that. Any of us who have been with HP for awhile has seen it. I don't think we'll see it change, unfortunately, but at least we are aware of the rules that govern us.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oz, I have and I will. Thank you again.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Oz is correct in that. I know of a few, well maybe more than a few, that were banned because they stood up for what they believed and came up against these bullies. Oh the bullies never get banned or even reprimanded, the ones that stood up for themselves got banned.

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      Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

      Billy

      Thanks. Please consider my comments about the very unintellectual influence of social media on HP. Social media or anti social media is poison to the intellect and to important ethical debate.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oztinato, I love your attitude. I never came here to talk about recipes....never will. I like debate....I love differences of opinion....but I can't tolerate rudeness. I draw the line there and that's my choice. I appreciate your explanation, and like I said, I love your attitude.

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      Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

      Its easy to avoid conflict on sites about how to bake a cake or how to play baseball etc. But politics and religion? It will be there in spades.

      HP is run on algorithims and sadly allows a creepy form of social media bullying on ethical (or other) topics. In other words when hubbers decide to gang up on someone the messages are sent to cliques who lodge group complaints. Is it good for a sites business stats? Then the dogs of war are loosed.

      You can be banned here for next to nothing.

      So lets talk about cakes and base ball and keep the algorithm happy.

      NOT!

      Ethics religion race etc are of a higher order of business and need to be waged like a moral battle.

      I appreciate the sentiments of this hub as well.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mari, perfectly stated. Thank you for adding those thoughts, and I agree with you.

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      dragonflycolor 2 years ago

      I'm so glad that this article has been well received. It's hard to respect people with differing opinions, but if we saw a little further, we could see that this different opinions provide opportunities to learn from one another and possibly change things for the better.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It really is easy, John, and I know I can, at times, be abrasive without trying to be, so it's best I stay away from forums. Plus, I don't deal well with rudeness. :) Thanks for sharing that, John, and Happy Weekend to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, you are passionate about life, and you are a loving human being. You will never hear me tell you to shut up. Keep speaking your thoughts, my writer friend.

      Happy Weekend to you, Michael, and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ArtDiva, I don't want to believe that's true, but there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. I hope I'm wrong.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you ArtDiva....I figured out anonymity, so no worries. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Arachnea. This hub seems to have registered with a lot of people. Sadly, the ones who needed it the most probably didn't read it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Larry! Great thoughts and I agree with what you have said. My only problem is the personal attack....I see no reason to call someone stupid simply because I don't agree with their viewpoint. Other than that, people can disagree with me all they want and I'm fine with it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      tireless, for sure, our nation needs to learn a few basic rules of interchange...how long will those lessons take us to learn is anyone's guess. Thank you for the visit.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      I made the mistake of visiting a forum to comment on a suggestion by one of my friends here at Hub Pages. Inadvertently I upset another Hubber without meaning to due to slightly different viewpoints. It just proves how easy to offend and upset people online.

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      Michael-Milec 2 years ago

      Good evening Bill my friend , Yours establishing a Respect Zone is a warning sign, ' if Bill can submit, I can submit too.' I do love discipline and orderliness and here in this group of writers are just the same.

      You as well as the rest of the authors have experience other kind perhaps, - me , I have right to shut up since " "you do not have any idea what are you saying, without a single article." ( Thank you,that's me)

      Voted useful and interesting.

      Wishing you good night and a greater weekend.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Seeing currently with one eye, and out of focus at that, the word in my first comment was meant to be anonymity rather than animosity, although both apply to rudeness on the "Net." Sometimes, I think we are becoming a culture of insensitivity.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      I'm with you on this, Bill. Rudeness, on the Net, is rampant, a mask of animosity. Good for you, standing ground.

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      Tanya Jones 2 years ago from Texas USA

      To start, I think after heading for the comment box, I may well recant my earlier statement about having to scroll through comments to get through the comment box. ;)

      I like the way you set this up. You introduced the topic very well. Also, it's a well written hub. Kudos. I'm gonna G+ it also.

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      Larry Rankin 2 years ago from Oklahoma

      Very thought provoking stuff and well written.

      On this topic, I wish there was an easy answer, but it just takes judgement. As many times as I've had to deal with rudeness, I've also had to deal with hyper-sensitivity

      In other words, not only do you have to deal with people being rude, you have to deal with people shutting down conversation and debate because you disagree with them.

      One of my rules is that I will not end my viewership to a writer if I get enjoyment from some of their articles, even if other articles they write demonstrate opinions I am diametrically opposed to.

      Other gray areas: How do you factor in for passion? I'm with you in believing personnel attacks have no business here, but sometimes people confuse the line between this and simply being adamant about your beliefs?

      Where's the line on being a little mean? If I'm honest, no, I think you should never attack anyone personally, but I don't mind a few jabs here and there as long as they are directed at the topic and not the person.

      I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if we all had the same idea concerning what was appropriate, you still have to worry about tolerance levels and interpretations.

      Thanks for another wonderful read.

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      Judy Specht 2 years ago from California

      I agree with heidithorn. With freedom of speech comes responsibility. This whole country would be served well to learn that lesson.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Always, Heidi. I simply have no tolerance for rudeness and never will. :) Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

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      Heidi Thorne 2 years ago from Chicago Area

      With freedom of speech comes responsibility. The founders of our country established this right as freedom to hold and share opposing ideas. Not to say things that intentionally harm others. Glad there's a zone of respectability and collegiality here in Billybucland! :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mel. I'm just giving back that which was freely given to me three years ago. I love this community, and if I can help others then I'm happy to do so.

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      Mel Carriere 2 years ago from San Diego California

      One thing I have observed about Hub Pages is that a lot of writers here lock themselves up in ivory towers and refuse to be approached. You have been supportive and approachable since about the first week I set foot here and I greatly appreciate it. We all need to create safe zones on our pages. Great work!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Craan, believe or don't believe, but there is no reason for anyone to attack you. I simply don't understand it and I won't tolerate it. You are safe here, my friend.

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      Sheila Craan 2 years ago from Florida

      Thank You, @BillyBuc! I appreciate your honesty! I've received a few negative comments on the hubs I published regarding the Church of Christ. There are those who do not believe the teachings of Christ from AD33 and have flat out attacked me, since they prefer their denominational doctrines. I simply refuse to publish such comments, and I ignore them too, because, I know what I have written is correct. I would never lead anyone astray, because my soul is also on the line.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for adding that, Brian....all true I might add. I appreciate your wisdom and input.

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      Brian Leekley 2 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      To follow up on what WillStarr says in his comments about freedom of speech among people, I think that the late A. S. Neill, the founder and for many years headmaster of Summerhill School in England, got at the essence of the matter in his 1966 book FREEDOM NOT LICENSE. It is now available online in pdf. This is not to imply that Will agrees, or I agree, with Neill as to the particulars of where to draw the line, but I agree with Neill that the rules of a house, a school, an organization, or whatever need to make a distinction between freedom and license and that a well-raised person will self-regulate in that regard--that is, as you say, will be forthright without being rude.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Timetraveler....I had to learn self control or drive myself crazy trying to change everyone. :)

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      TIMETRAVELER2 2 years ago

      Wish I could have as much self control as you do, Bill. I don't respond. I simply delete. Mea culpa!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, as always, vkwok. Have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm trying, Denise, I'm trying. :) Thank you!

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      Double thumbs up, Bill! Way to tell it how it is!

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      Denise W Anderson 2 years ago from Bismarck, North Dakota

      Way to be, Billy! You tell it like it is!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, breakfastpop. :)

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      Dear billy,

      I am on my way!!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I know you do, breakfastpop, and you are welcome in my clubhouse any old day. Thank you!

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      I love your game and your rules!!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, Will. I appreciate your thoughts. Now, get busy writing another of those great short stories, please. Your fans are eager.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Exactly Bill.

      The First Amendment makes it clear that the Founding Fathers did not want the new government to silence We, the People:

      Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech...

      But that applies only to Congress, so we have no 'freedom of speech' right to attack and insult each other, here or anywhere else. This is a long overdue Hub!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, it's an interesting point and a valid one. Free speech is now measured by whether it causes harm to anyone, and of course even that is subjective. The definition of free speech is changed every single time the Supreme Court rules on something....so what was free speech 100 years ago does not constitute free speech today. Thanks for that clarification, Will.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      BTW, let me educate those of you who embrace 'free speech' as your excuse to say anything you please. "Free speech' in the Bill of Rights prohibits only government from silencing you. All of the rights in the Bill of Rights restrict government, and government only.

      In other words, you have no 'free speech' rights here or on any other privately owned and operated place. You can't come into our homes and say what you please and you can't do it in our Hubs either. As Bill says, "My game (my house!), My Rules. That goes for all of us.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nope, Debra, the forums are not for people who want to be civil and state their opinions...there are far too many rude people there, and I refuse to take part in it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mary. When I first joined HP, I thought it was just a community of supportive writers. I've had to change that opinion a bit, but that doesn't mean I have to change. :) I know you understand that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Iris, I have always believed the fear is at the heart of that kind of behavior. I was glad to see you write that. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much Dolores. You are right, we have no chance of changing someone's opinion by calling them names or being rude....what human reacts kindly to that kind of behavior?

      Anyway, I'm glad you are here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you ChitrangadaSharan. Mutual respect...yes! Mutual support....yes!

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      I agree wholeheartedly with your rules. Sometimes even stating ones rules gets rude comments. I went into the forums when I first signed up on here 6 plus years ago and within 6 months I stopped going into them I was threatened and all that nasty stuff and then HP turned it around on me, so I never been back there and will never go back into them.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, thank you and I'll keep the wiffle ball out for your arrival.

      As for London, you've done it again...rubbed my face in your enjoyment. LOL What a friend you are.

      I'm really glad you had a grand time. Good to have you back.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Sharkye, and I appreciate your kind words and the way you handle your disagreements. That shows great maturity as far as I'm concerned. You can hang here any old time you want.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Manatita, you mentioned arrogance and misunderstanding...and I think those are huge explanations for some of the rudeness. Some people are just unhappy human beings and need to attack. Glad you are here my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes it does, Venkatachari M....I don't understand it and I won't tolerate it here. I appreciate your kind spirit, sir!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Of course we can, Peg. Heck, I don't agree with a lot of political views I hear on this site. That doesn't mean I have to attack the messenger. There's room for all of us here.

      Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Will, I know....I have grown up so much over the past decade. I still seethe at times....I just try to take a deep breath before saying anything. Anyway, thank you. I respect you and always will.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you truthfornow....and I'm glad you are here. You are my type of people.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, bradmaster. Your ideas and thoughts are always welcome here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Michelle. I'm glad you have been "rude free" so far. I hope that continues.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm with you, Faith. I tried the forums my first week here, and left after one day. I can't tolerate that kind of rudeness and unkindness.....so they can do their thing and I'll do mine, and may we all find what we are looking for.

      Thank you kind lady, and blessings to you always

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, those topics are safe, and it explains quite well why you haven't seen rudeness....well, plus, you are just a good person. Carry on my friend, and thank you.

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      Mary Craig 2 years ago from New York

      Billybuc Land Rules, rule! What other way to play than fair? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, dislike, disagreement, whatever but rude is NEVER an entitlement.

      We are in this Hub thing together as friends and fellow writers. Writers like you, Bill, give us lessons on writing, writings about your opinions, and writings about things we need to know. There is no way rudeness should enter the picture! Well said my friend.

      Voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting. Oh, shared too.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      Bill, it's a shame that you even had to write this essay, but I'm glad you did. You are absolutely correct. Free speech is not a free pass to tear others down. If we have to tear others down with name calling then our rebuttal argument must not be very strong. That kind of reaction comes from fear, not intellect.

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      Dolores Monet 2 years ago from East Coast, United States

      Hi Bill - we should all live by these simple rules of conduct. When I hear people talk politics, it makes me wince. Sometimes I feel like an offender myself. If we object to what someone else is saying, and present our opinions in a civilized, thoughtful manner, then the other person can see where we are coming from. We may not change anyone's mind, but offer an opinion for consideration. When we start throwing out insults, start name calling, or wildly stating out and out lies, the other person will become angry. They will not listen to what we have to say. They'll just think we are crazy. So there is no communication. No actual sharing of ideas. As they used to say, you can kill more flies with honey...

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      Chitrangada Sharan 2 years ago from New Delhi, India

      I completely agree with you! There should be mutual respect and support for each other among the writers.

      The example in the introduction is very well thought of to emphasize your point.

      Great hub as usual. Thanks!

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      Your game, your rules, is fine by me! I support whole-heartedly each and every one of your comments in this hub. Respect is important whatever you are doing. When comments are written for all to see and are there in concrete, then you can't withdraw them and you can't withdraw the hurt or the indignation.

      I too find some comments annoying and I find some hubs badly written. I might make a few 'constructive criticisms' but in the spirit of the teacher in me, with encouragement. That's all.

      My view is that people who insult do not have a good command of words with which to express themselves properly, neither do they have respect for themselves.

      I'd be very happy to stop by for a game of wiffle - what a great name!

      (London was fantastic; Poppies at the Tower, the Eye and Peter Pan - how's that for variety?!)

      Have a great Thursday, bill! :)

      Ann

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      Jayme Kinsey 2 years ago from Oklahoma

      Bravo Bill! Well said, as always. I can sympathize with the part about getting boiling mad over certain opinions, issues and statements. But I learned long ago that no amount of rude remarks (or polite debate either, for that matter) will change another person's viewpoint. So why make ourselves look like jerks even trying? You are one of my favorite writers on HP, and there have been times when I have disagreed with your opinions, but I've never felt the need to made a rude comment. The few times (very few, thank goodness) that I have ever received less than kind remarks on HP, I simply went to my blog and wrote a satire piece in honor. A much more creative outlet, with no names called. As you say, people should take their bad attitudes and hatred to forums.

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      Timely Bill. I have had rudeness and accusations. People who you are just getting to know and seem nice, can suddenly go the other way.

      Many fears and insecurities are born out of misunderstandings or downright arrogance, and instead of a gentle query, one can easily get a mouthful of someone else's sense of judgement or what they think is going on. Others can join them and this spoils the beauty of the Hub.

      I totally support what you're saying, Bill, and I dream that some of us will be nicer, and ask - with patience - for explanations of what they do not understand. Very necessary Hub.

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      Venkatachari M 2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      Very serious matter to be introspected by all. I just went through that article and some of those comments cited by you among them one band member. Challenging you to produce facts. I also went through similar situation on my comments site at timesofindia.com and I had to stop reacting to them to silence them during the elections period at New Delhi and general elections in India. There are some people who do not have any sense of politeness and attack like wild animals. It happens everywhere.

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      Rhonda Lytle 2 years ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

      I hate that things have gotten so bad you had to write this. I've read a lot from you and know from that whatever set you off had to be WAY rude to do so. I'm gone a few weeks and find upon return the one author I have never seen ticked off setting policy that in a civilized community should not have to be stated. Hang in there and big time kudos for not putting up with the mess. God bless.

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      This is the best part of writing here. Our community is different in that respect is the norm, like you said, with exception to a few who don't play well with others. We can write about things and expect that not everyone feels the same way. Respect is truly the key ingredient. You said it well, Bill.

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      WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      The trick Bill, as you well know, is to be serene in the midst of the storm. I'm learning that day by day.

      Excellent Hub.

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      truthfornow 2 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      I agree with you. There are a lot of rude and crude comments going around on this Internet and we all need a space that is rude-free. I have no idea why people feel the need to make inappropriate comments all over the place but it seems like just plain bullying to me and not about free speech.

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      bradmaster from orange county ca 2 years ago

      billybuc

      It sounds reasonableabd fair to me.

      Unfortunately, rude is being played by the media, and as you said the politicians.

      Thanks for the rude free zone.

      bradmasterOC

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      Michelle Scoggins 2 years ago from Fresno, CA

      Great one Bill. I feel blessed to have a few regular friends here on HP that are nothing but supportive. That is the best part here; we have created a great community. But of course there are some that do not see it the way we do. I hope this one touches many and for those that want to express their negativity they decide to go elsewhere. I appreciate your candidness about our online etiquette and behavior. Have a great day!!

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      I have been so blessed to only receive encouraging and heartfelt comments so far, but then I write about my true life experiences for the most part so I guess it would be difficult to disagree with someone's life experiences. Even when I write other articles, they are always well-received much to my delight and surprise.

      I try to follow the Golden Rule. I know you know how I feel about our words and the power of our words. My sweet momma always told us if we did not have anything nice to say it is better to not say anything at all. However, I am all for anyone expressing a differing opinion and I respect that if and when it happens. Plus, just because we do have differing opinions, it does not mean we are being critical or negative, we just disagree, but that needs to be stated in a respectful manner.

      I learned the hard way about the forums LOL ... now I just go there or post a forum when I have a computer technology question and stay away from the other stuff.

      When I read an article and I truly cannot come up with anything positive to say, I just do not leave a comment and move on. I would rather have someone not to leave a comment than leave a comment when it is obvious they did not read the article, as that is also rude in my book, but that is just my opinion (and we know what they say about opinions LOL).

      Have a blessed evening

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      Mary Hyatt 2 years ago from Florida

      I guess I've been lucky. I don't remember ever receiving a rude or disrespectful comment. The worse thing someone said was to criticize my Lemon Meringe Pie recipe. She said my meringue was terrible looking!!

      I stay away from writing about religion or politics; maybe that's why I never got rude comments! Recipes and "how tos" are pretty safe.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Brian. I always appreciate your recommendations. I'll check out the video.

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      Brian Leekley 2 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      I'm trying to learn Marshall Rosenberg's rules of communication, to use "giraffe language" rather than "jackal language", as he explains them in his talks available on YouTube, such as the video, "Nonviolent Communication Workshop - Session #1 - Marshall Rosenberg". I like your rules of the house, which are rules against 'jackal language', against name calling and such.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lil Sis, I'm exhausted just hearing about your life...and hungry, too. LOL Go get something to eat and let your mind rest for a bit. And if you do start writing again soon, I'll be right there reading every word.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      American, thank you for the high praise. We can only wish that countries would be held to this standard...but of course, countries are comprised of individuals, so I guess this is a start. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, Bill, now you have me blushing, but thank you. I don't understand the rudeness...never will. I can't control it around the world, but I've paid my dues here at HP and I can sure control it on my site. :) Thanks my friend and Happy Thursday to you.

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      Cynthia Sageleaf 2 years ago from Western NC

      Big Bro, sing it, brotha! ;)

      Miss you somethin' fierce. I have just printed my portfolio - something like 200 or 225 pages...

      Whew...I'm a-tired. I'm so excited to get back to writing, I can't even say - just for fun! Creative writing, though.

      I don't know what that means. I'm just going to take it one day at a time. Do what I feel like for awhile. I'm a little french fried at the moment. :) More hubs? Finally finish a book? Write about Latino immigrants? (Okay, I'll only write about that last one if I feel like getting charbroiled...) I also keep making references to food. I must be getting hungry. :D

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      American_Choices 2 years ago from USA

      BillyBuc,

      This is a pivotal point from our forefathers. Free speech comes with a responsibility of the reasonable to speak up and hold the unreasonable accountable. We forfeit our freedom if we do not speak in a respectful manner.

      Wonderful hub! Voted awesome - truly this is awesome and needs to be spread near and far. I look forward to hearing how many countries have access this important hub.

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Bill. I'm 100% with you on this. Treat people the way you want to be treated. My parents taught me well and in our house respect starts with a capital "R". I have a few hubs here that have drawn some downright disrespectful comments and I am amazed at how rude some people can be. There is a reason I don't participate in the forums.

      I've been following you here at HubPages since the beginning and I can honestly say that there is not a more standup guy here than you. Helpful, fair, polite, good guy, did I say helpful. Have a great week Bill.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mark. Good to see you. I hope all is well down South.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sis, I'll never forgive you for calling me out on that close play when we were ten. Horrible call if you ask me. :)

      Seriously, thank you. Disagree with me all they want, but treat me with some damn respect while they are doing it. Seems simple to me.

      Thanks, Sis!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for the kind words, Dressage. I really appreciate them.