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Updated on October 22, 2014

Some Clarification If You Will

I have no hidden agenda in writing this. There are no subliminal messages ready to leap into your subconscious if you should decide to read my ramblings. These are just some odds and ends that I have been thinking about over the past few months, and I thought I would upchuck them all now and make room in my brain for other random nonsense.

There is no blame to be assigned here. I am quite happy at HP. I’m just spouting randomness. If any of it resonates with you then great. If not, print this and use it to line your kitty litter box.

Shall we begin?

Followers who do not follow
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Followers Who Do Not Follow

I’m a fairly observant guy. I spend a lot of time on HubPages, and I’ve got three years behind me now, so what I’m about to say is just a product of that time and those observations.

There seems to be an influx of people lately who follow but don’t follow, if you know what I mean. Now it’s entirely possible that they are reading my articles but not commenting, but I don’t believe that is the case. Rather, I think they are pressing the follow button, and then doing nothing at all.

And I can’t help but wonder why? Mind you, I don’t much care. It doesn’t affect my day one way or the other, and I checked with our chickens and they don’t care either, but it is curious. Why would someone do that? Do they feel it improves their Hubber score if they are following a lot of people? If that’s their thinking, then they really need a mental health day. I especially love the newcomers who “follow” 528 Hubbers on their first day, and yet have no Hubs or followers of their own. Is that like the shotgun mentality? If you shoot a shotgun in a narrow space, you just might hit someone? Is that what’s going? I would love to hear your thoughts on it, because I’m baffled.

Follow me, comment on my articles, and I’ll return the favor. Pretty simple, really.

The Google Gods Are Fickle

And you can take that to the bank.

I literally have fewer daily views today than I did two years ago, and yet I’ve written five hundred new articles in that time. Does that seem logical to you?

I literally make less money today than I did two years ago, and yet, again, I’ve written five hundred new articles in that time. Again, does that seem logical to you?

I’m not complaining, mind you, because I’m not here at HP for views or money. I love the community and the friends I have here, and HP gives me an area where I can try new creative writing techniques and also help other writers, so I’m happy…but still….if I were a newbie on HP, what I just mentioned would give me a reason to be concerned. I have not changed my approach to writing at all. In fact, my Hubs today are more search engine friendly than they were two years ago, so what in the name of Bill Gates is happening?

You Can Lead a Horse to Water but You Can’t Make It Drink

If you are confused, or need help, there is a ton of great help in the community of HubPages. Just ask for it. I’m not talking about the staff of HP; rather, I’m talking about fellow writers. I have found my peers to be extremely unselfish and helpful when I have had questions in the past.

There are also great articles, written by those same unselfish writers, about practically any problem you will encounter on HP. Read them and learn how to navigate this site correctly. Do so, and you just might find yourself making some money here. Of course, two years later you might make less money, but that’s another matter altogether.

One man's opinion of the HOTD format
One man's opinion of the HOTD format | Source

HOTD

I have no idea who picks the Hub of the Day, but for the love of all that is holy, could you please pick Hubs that are, well, well-written? I think the least we can expect from a HOTD is that it has proper grammar. After all, the HOTDs are being displayed for all to see, and I assume they are also being shown to entice other writers to the site. If that is the case, then choosing Hubs that are poorly-written just doesn't make sense.

I've already won one, so obviously this isn't about me. This is about common sense and nothing more.

Hubpages Really Should Hire Me

Seriously! For a couple hundred bucks a month, I’d be more than happy to be the Good Humor Man of HP. I would spread encouragement and love, two things that are sorely missing from this site.

Be very clear on this point: HubPages is a business, and they are making money hand over fist from advertising. A little of that money should be spent paying someone to be a goodwill ambassador, someone who will offer a pat on the back and words of praise for the writers who make HP money. It’s just a good business practice to keep your employees happy and satisfied, and that is sorely missing from this site. Give me a call, HP. I’m here ready to help you….for a price of course.

Oops, forget it. I just realized I already do those things for free. Well, there goes my bargaining chip.

The title of this video is pretty funny

More Curiosity

I’m also curious about those writers who feel it is their job to tear down and ridicule other writers here at HP. What’s up with the rudeness? I really don’t understand it. Writing is a tough enough gig without having our peers skin us and baste us on an open fire. This explains why you will never find me on a forum, and it also explains why you will never hear me be negative about your writing publicly.

I have, on occasion, sent an email to someone explaining that they misspelled a word, or that they would see better results with a thousand-word article rather than a five-hundred word article, but I will never tell someone, in public, that their writing sucks. To do so is simply rude, as is calling someone stupid or idiotic for their viewpoints on a topic. What it reminds me of are the bullies we’ve all seen on the playgrounds in elementary school.

The picture of a happy Hubber
The picture of a happy Hubber | Source

Last Observation for Today

I really am a very lucky person. I have a core group of followers who read every article I publish, and I publish five articles each week. They also buy my novels, and take the time to leave reviews for me, and….and this is a biggie…they are my friends. They know about my family. They care about what I am doing in life. They offer encouragement and support, through good times and bad, and I have no doubt the same people will be with me for years to come.

The management of HubPages may think they are just running a business, but I know this site is so much more than that. This is….and I want you to absorb the true meaning of this word…a community. We support….we encourage…we lift up….and for that reason, I hope HubPages is around a very, very long time.

Thank you, all of my friends. It is an honor to be part of OUR community.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      What a wonderful article Bill. You really said everything that needed saying. This was a no punches pulled true account of the real Hub Pages. Loved it! Have a great day. Wow, I'm your first commenter....that's a first.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, John, for visiting so early today. I appreciate it....just some random thoughts that keep popping into my brain.

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      Aww, you said this so perfectly Bill and I would hire you for sure if I ran Hubpages! Happy Wednesday to you, my friend :)

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Great words from you about HP. You said it all here thank you for sharing a positive mind here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, it might be bad for my reputation to work for HP. LOL But I'd be happy to work for you.

      Have a great Wednesday my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, DDE. Thank you!

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      I know exactly who those Hubbers are..who are so negative. It makes me wonder how much time they have on their hands. Great hub.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Billy

      You told it straight just as you always do. I don't disagree with a word - except to say that, whoever left that t--d in the grass should have been fined - there is no doubt about that.

      Quite honestly sometimes I am terrified to say what I really want to say in the forums. It strikes me that if everyone kept their noses to the ground and did more writing they might have less reason to complain! Having said that - Hubpages should address the things which people complain about time and time again. I think it reflects badly on the site as a whole.

      I was nearly up to a dollar a year ago but that was short lived - in spite of my having nearly reached 100,000 views.

      It does make me wonder if I should be concentrating on my own site. I know that most of my traffic comes from outside HubPages. I consider this to be fortunate as it seems I must be providing something which people are looking for. The idea of working for less than a dollar a day is ridiculous! Try converting that into pounds and it becomes laughable.

      As for followers - I never follow someone unless I am interested in what they have to say - can't imagine why anyone would do that with all those e-mails arriving in their in box.

      Enough said - except to say that I really do admire your courage to say it as it is. Sad things is though - I don't think a response will ever be forthcoming from HubPages.

      Sally

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brie, I just don't understand it....and I'm a fairly sarcastic person at times...but never mean like I see on forums. Well my friend, I'm glad you aren't one of them. Thank you!

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      Country Sunshine 2 years ago from Texas

      I have asked many of these questions myself, and still have no answers. Nice of you to share your views, and in such a friendly tone! I always enjoy reading your articles.

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      Nithya Venkat 2 years ago from Dubai

      Great hub and wise words. HubPages is much more than a business, it is a community of writers who love to write and share.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      I swear you can read my mind, bill! I've been noticing & thinking about exactly the same things (I've no doubt others have too).

      Lately, I've had a rush of 'follows' and that's that. I must admit I haven't got round to reading all of those I've followed myself in the last couple of days but that's just a time thing - it won't take me long to catch up.

      I can't understand the mentality of someone who joins and then leaves a blank where all those hubs should be accumulating. What do they think this is about?

      Sorry, getting carried away which is probably what I should be.

      By the way, do hubpages/google etc tell you when they actually start paying you? I haven't a clue what happens in all that 'background' stuff, crucial though it is! I'm sure I've passed the starting line but there is one loud silence.

      I for one shall be following you for ever! Aren't you lucky?! :))

      Have a wonderful Wednesday and enjoy the rest of your week, bill.

      Ann

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, I've been waiting three years for a response and none has come. Hmmm...I wonder!

      Convert into pounds? I don't think I'm smart enough to do that my friend. LOL

      Thank you and I understand your dilemma....it sounds to me as though your own site is doing well. We have to make tough decisions from time to time, Sally, and that sounds like one of them.

      bill

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      Russ Inserra 2 years ago from Indianapolis, In

      I am new...I don't comment a lot, only if I feel I have something to add to the conversation. I do appreciate comments, however, so maybe I should reconsider. Bill, you have so many followrs and so many comments, that sometimes I feel that Mine is just another in a long line that don't say much. As far a s google goes, I think that here is just more and more content out there to compete with. We all have to keep on top of our games to stay on top of the world.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Country-Sunshine. I tried to be friendly..glad it came off that way. :)

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      Mothers of Nations 2 years ago

      Awesome article! I thoroughly enjoyed this read and you certainly saved the best for last: "Last Observation For Today".

      I love HP because it truly is a wonderful community of awesome writers (aside from grammatical errors from time to time lol), but everyone is always ready and willing to help, most are very supportive - each with their own unique and interesting characteristics - each their own beauty.

      God bless you, BillyBuc!

      Voted up and shared!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I believe that to be so, Vellur, and I love it here. Thank you!

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      Sandra Joy Eastman 2 years ago from Robbinsdale MN

      Bill

      I have enjoyed reading your work and your honesty is refreshing I must admit. Hub pages is a great way to say what needs to be said but hasn't been at all financially beneficial for me but I'm just new at it. Of course I can't complain unless I have been in your shoes. A great writer with a good following should be making money hand over fist. If you're not then something is wrong. As I write books too and have other writing gigs I do on a regular basis I can't do a hub daily but enjoy doing them when I can. Thanks for the great insight as everything you publish stays in the think tank for a long time.

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, I'm so glad you wrote this article. I share the same peeves as you. The followers things baffles me. When I get new followers that haven't even commented on anything I've written, it makes me wonder why they're following me (have they even read anything I posted?). I will, however, give them the courtesy of looking at their profile and skimming their titles (if there are any). I may even go so far as to read a post. If their topics don't interest me, I won't follow. I refuse to be a hypocrite or a monkey-see, monkey-do hubber.

      As far as hubber scores, I read something the other day that clarified how the scores are calculated. A huge factor is participation, meaning commenting on other hubs with more than 'great job'. Another is how many thumbs ups and other buttons the hubber receives. I'm talking about the Useful, Funny, Awesome, Beautiful, Interesting buttons. I always make it a point to push buttons on a hub unless I didn't get anything out of it, which is rarely.

      And, yeah, this last Panda update has affected all of us. My views are down too. It has to do with Google re-indexing everything on the Internet. Unfortunately, duplicate content has a huge effect on how our articles are indexed. I found one of my had been copied by a forum site and the site ranked higher than my original article by two places. I sent a DMCA and had them remove the page. Then I went into my Webmaster Tools and had the link removed from SERPs. I know you've mentioned in the past that you're not concerned with your articles having been copied, but you may want to take a look at them now. If the other sites are coming up ahead of your originals in searches, views are going there rather than to your articles.

      And yes, you should be the HP Good Humor/Goodwill Ambassador. It seems the only pats on the back are awarded to the HOTD's that should never see the light of day, let alone be crowned.

      K. I think I've ranted enough. Thanx for getting me fired up, my friend. And I mean that in a good way!

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      PurvisBobbi44 2 years ago from Florida

      Hi Bill,

      I enjoy the people and communicating and making friends as well as writing here.

      You and Writer Fox are two blessings we receive here on HubPages for help. I thank you both for being here for us.

      I read on the web by an author from Florida that HubPages was considered a Content Farm, and he also said it was not a good place for writers. I have faith that the traffic will return and I still see many of my favorite writers still here---so I will stay as long as anyone else.

      Thanks for being you Bill, a good person who helps us all.

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I am lucky, Ann, and honored. You are a good friend, which is a strange statement since we've never met in person.

      Yes, you will be notified if a payment is coming....amazing that you have not to this point. I'll never fully understand HP, but I guess it isn't my job to do so. I'm just a writer. :)

      Have a marvelous day, Ann!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      russinserra, thank you for your thoughts. Commenting is the only way of letting a writer know that you were there...and that leads to them commenting on your hubs. Please do so in the future.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you mothersofnations, and God bless you. You are a perfect example of the good people here at HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sandra, that is a kind thing for you to say. Thank you very much. Luckily I don't care much about the money here; it's all about the people for me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, I love your rants and seeing you fired up. Good for me for getting you in the mood. LOL

      I have no answers for these questions. They will forever remain a mystery to me.

      Not following up on copied material...Sha, I simply don't have the time. I could make time, but that would take me away from my novels, and I'm committed to them...so we suffer a bit...but I can live with that. :)

      Have a great day in Florida as the rains pound my little studio.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thanks Bobbi! Whatever HP is, for me it's a place to make friends and contacts...and to read good writing. I won't leave until I'm incapable of writing, and hopefully that is a long time in the future.

      Thank you for your kindness and friendship

      bill

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      I can only guess that it is the law of attraction.

      Nice people (hubbers) like to find other nice people (hubbers).

      And, then there are the crazies...........

      You were nice not to bring up the fact that you have a cult following;

      "Frugal Farming For Fun" and "Mailbag Monday Monologues".

      They will never be the wiser when they read the simple words, "Great Hub!" No, they will never figure out that little ditty. I say, keep them guessing. May they never understand the power in those two little words.....

      Great Hub, Bill!

      DJ.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      Thanks for the info, bill. I guess we're all the lucky ones with such a huge pool of friends :)

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      And, while we are speaking of favors, I have one to ask. Please, oh please, stop showing pictures of your dog's special logs. I can only imagine that you cherish them a great deal. But, I pick up my dog's poo every day. Yet, when I see those pictures, I swear, I can smell it. And, tho I be computer illiterate, I'm pretty sure my computer does not have see-n-smell, or scratch n sniff.

      Please 'don't do the poo!'

      Thank you,

      DJ.

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      carol stanley 2 years ago from Arizona

      If you take that wonderful attitude you will be very happy here. There can be a lot of support and there are many like you who write here to improve their craft, get a support system and create some wonderful cyber friendships..And I am a believer that opportunity comes from everywhere. Someone just may know someone or something that could change your entire story.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Great advice and wisdom from a true Hub Pages guru. Bill, you have survived all the changes that have happened here on Hub Pages and continue to be one of their main supporters. Many others have just faded away to greener pastures or quit writing.

      Anyone who dreams of getting rich on Hub Pages is really dreaming because it just won't happen. But those of us who stick around to stay in touch with our longtime hub friends are rich from that alone.

      You should work for HP as you are one of their best representatives.

      Have a great day my friend.

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      Mary Craig 2 years ago from New York

      As always you hit the nail on the head. I've been here three years too and make less money now than I did two years ago, though I've certainly written more hubs. Can you hear me scratching my head?

      Followers are fickle folk. As you said, I've had many "new" followers and when I go to check out their profile there's nothing there! This time I'm shaking my head.

      Like you, and because of you and others like you, I stay here for the love of writing and my friends here. This is certainly not a get rich quick scheme. I do have to say though, the HP staff will help whenever they can. However, again you are right, the most help comes from fellow hubbers.

      Officially or not Bill you are HP's Goodwill Ambassador. You spread goodwill all over the place and its another reason we love you and follow you. No, I'm not brown nosing, just stating the facts sir.

      Voted all but funny and shared.

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      DreyaB 2 years ago from France

      This is interesting stuff from someone who obviously knows. As an ex-Squidoo-er I'm still learning the ropes, but it's useful to learn what someone with long-term experience here knows. Having struggled with traffic on and off in the past, I was told part of the appeal here at HP was that the traffic was much better and that Google preferred HP. Unfortunately, things seem to be a little 'in flux' shall we call it at the moment, but for now I shall plough on. I agree with you re. HOTD, but so far very few on these I've seen appeal to my interests anyway... I love the idea of you being a 'greeter' - in fact I used to carry out much the same role for our new members of Squidoo 'boot camp' myself, in an 'official' but non-paying capacity. They had their own forum and it was a 'safe' place to be if you struggled with confidence or the negativity of any 'regular' forum. I was part of a wonderful community on Squidoo - as yet I haven't felt completely part of that here at HP, but that is my fault, as I haven't had the time to immerse myself properly yet. I'm still editing my hubs in any spare time I have! Thanks for this article - it's made me feel a little better about things... :0)

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      Lol, @DJ Anderson

      Billy, I'm glad that you addressed these things you have been thinking about. By reading the comments I see its not just you thinking on these things, but you struck a cored or a few. Interesting article to read, thank you for sharing.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      Bill, I know that followers are not following when they follow without reading a line--like those who follow 500 on their first day. I'm with you on all the other issues you mention. You deserve your following, more views and of course, more money. A pleasure to follow you!

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      Bill 2 years ago from western pennsylvania

      Great thoughts as usual. i can never figure out how they get the hotd. There have been some really poorly written ones there. The photo says it all. Good job getting that all out in the open.

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      David B Katague 2 years ago from Northern California and the Philippines

      Bill, I am one of your core followers. I just wrote a hub about my top favorite hubbers and your are number 1 in that list.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I can get about my business now. I've had my DJ laugh for the day. I hope you have an audience at home. It would be a shame if your humor fell on silence. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I do believe we are, Ann!

      bill..........oh, I might take your challenge...we'll see if I can fit it in today.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      For you, DJ, anything. I know what you mean...I swear I can smell them too. oh, wait, that's because they are right outside my door. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I believe that too, although I'm getting a little tired of waiting for my big break. LOL Thank you my friend. It's raining quite hard today, and Arizona sounds nice to me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mike. Honestly, it's people like you who keep me here. We just have to have a convention some day so I can meet all of you. Now that would be a great party.

      It's wet here, buddy, but I'll have a good one.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, brown-nosing wouldn't get you much, so I know you mean what you say, and I thank you. I do love it here. I wish my friends were compensated more for their efforts, but there is nothing I can do about that...so I'll just keep cheering you all on.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DreyaB, I'll try to do a better job of making you feel part of this community. We need more writers like you. I can't imagine transferring everything to a new site. You have my sympathy and support. If I can be of any help, you know where to find me.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Bill you get my vote, but seriously, they ' ain't ' ' gonna ' pay when you do it for free. Just sayin'. Hee..Have a great day!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you colorfulone...I think HP can be better...that's all I want, is for it to be the best online site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dora, and it is a pleasure to follow a quality human being like you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Bill. I knew that picture would come in handy one day. LOL

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      Andrew Smith 2 years ago from Richmond, VA

      Hubpages should totally hire you!

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      Liz Mackay 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I came over from Squidoo and have not settled in properly. I do look at your articles now and again and appreciate their encouragement. Guess you can't know that if I don't comment.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Some very good points here, and wondered the same. Since my hubs, which may not really exceed the minimum of 5 and less than 10 at the most, I wonder also of my plight as perhaps lacking content. Should I be elsewhere where I am not given a score based on this? I also wonder whether self-promotional blogs net any real results for their intent? Whether I should be setting up my own site where none of this is an issue. And, oh, why is a photo necessary for a quality hub? Really don't get this. Just wondering.

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      Jamie Jensen 2 years ago from Chicago

      Hi Bill,

      I too started on hub pages over two years ago and find myself earning less money than I had been before even though I've been publishing a lot more hubs. I am trying to write more hubs in an effort to [I'm not ashamed to say it] earn more money so that I can follow my dream of being a stay at home mom. So I wonder what has happened…

      How would one go about applying for a job at hub pages; have you tried? Amy tips on how to produce so many hubs each week? My goal is five but I'm lucky if I can punch two out!

      -Jamie

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      Buildreps 2 years ago from Europe

      Let me be honest here, my friend. You're the only author from which I read articles from start to finish. I thought why this might be? Maybe because you're writing authentic I think - more from the heart than from the brain.

      You're inspiring for many Hubbers and that's what HP needs.

      About this article. You're right on the things you mention, especially the lack of passion and love on this site. I can only guess to the reason of this, from which egoic behaviour is the most likely one.

      Your suggestion to be GHM of HP is a nice one. I'm willing to donate my earnings on HP to hire you, if that's what it would take. I vote for Billybuc!

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      Linda Lum 2 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Bill, you've put in writing what so many of us have been thinking. I would love it if Hub Pages hired you, but not if it meant that you would no longer have the time to "talk" to us every day like this. (By the way, sorry I haven't stopped by in a while. Sometimes life happens).

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      So you checked with your chickens? lol! do they sit and watch the Feed? LOL! yep loads of followers but just the loyal guys like you who always make the time to read, so really grateful here, as for less views, it seems its happening to all of us, I am getting less now than when I started too, it's a cross between Google panda, elephant or whatever other animal they choose to use as an excuse these days! lol! and of course all the who ha of buying squids. And yes you take over billy, we need a real human behind it sometimes! lol! yes this is a community, with some awesome people who I have come to regard as real friends even though that darn pond is in the way! lol! great hub billy!

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      carol stanley 2 years ago from Arizona

      I have one more thought. Barbara Sher is the innovator of WISH CRAFT. This is not about networking but telling everyone what you want to happen and it is amazing how everyone knows someone. We did an experiment in the audience and one person said she wanted to be on TV as a comedienne. Several people popped up with who they knew in the business and gave her names to call. It was amazing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      chateaudumer, I am humbled and honored. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No doubt about that, Ruby, but I enjoy it so much I don't care. LOL

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      goatfury, I'd be afraid of what it would do to my reputation. LOL Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LizMac, if would help me if you did...that way I'm reminded to check out your work. Thank you for being here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ArtDiva, I have no answers to those questions. I think a blog is a personal choice. Some people swear by them; others, not so much. As for the pictures...makes no sense to me at all. I doubt Hemingway was ever asked to include a photo.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jamie, if you are a stay-at-home mom, I don't have a clue how you can do a hub every day. You have a full-time job already. I'm pretty organized. I wouldn't be able to do it if I didn't schedule every hour of my day and then stick to that schedule. :) Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you don't mind, I might include your question in my mailbag series next week.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Buildreps, that is a very nice thing for you to say, and I appreciate you reading my hubs from start to finish. I have heard that from other people, and I do think it's because I am pretty genuine. What you see is what you would see in person if we met...and I think people relate to that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carb, there is no slowing down life, and apologies aren't necessary, but thank you. I do love it here...I just wish the writers were compensated more.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, that's what I find amazing...you are my friend even though we have never met. I know about you, your family, and the same is true of probably one hundred other writers here...and I think that is so cool! :) Thank you for that friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      That is really amazing, Carol. I know that can happen here at HP...in fact, I've heard of it happening...so we keep on keeping on and good things will happen, right? Right!

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      Deborah Neyens 2 years ago from Iowa

      I have wondered many of the same things myself, Bill. I'm a little down on Hubpages these days. Not that I'm here to make money either, but it's been depressing to see my page views and earnings drop so precipitously in the last few weeks. Ugh. And why doesn't HP hire you, anyway? Have a great day, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, the fall in views and earnings is very discouraging. Even if you don't need the money, it doesn't do much for our psyches to see such falls from grace. :) Anyway, I'm glad you are here and I've always respected your talents.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 2 years ago from Mississauga, ON

      Bill,

      I honestly admit that I don't read all of your articles, but I do read most and leave my footprints always hahaha. I leave comments not because I want you to reciprocate, but because I learn. And there is lot of learning for me from many other writers as well.

      Well I strongly recommend that HP hires you.

      Please continue writing and helping new writers like me.

      Oh btw, I think readership is declining because thanks to FB and Tweeter, people like to share more than read. Among my friends on FB, I have noted that everybody is sharing his/her read from some source (instead of writing anything original) and not reading others' posts even if they are original.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 2 years ago

      I had an HOTD awhile back and never even knew it because I was out of town! Don't you dare go to work here...we can't afford to lose all of that wisdom! I'm sorry you have worked so hard for so little, but don't blame HP...blame father Google. He does not want us writing from the heart, that SOB...he just wants to gobble us up! Bill, you know you are one of my favorites here. I don't always comment, but I do read...not all of them, but many. You set the standard for grace on this site, and we would be lost without you. Keep up the good work and maybe, just maybe, you will have a hub that goes viral one day and makes you a million!

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wonderful, just wonderful. I read and then took some moments to visit commentors I did not know. You certainly have an eclectic group of loyal followers, all to the good. You clearly help us to spread our wings. I agree totally with this hub, but you know that as you follow as well as you lead.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      You mean you're not the GHM. Whoa...you had me totally fooled. (hee-hee)

      I would love to have seen the looks on the faces of passers-by as you took that photo. Priceless.

      I've noticed the 'following' issue as well. It's not a situation unique to HP so I don't fuss about it. People can follow me if they truly like what I've written...or not. Your chickens and my cats aren't bothered.

      Write on, my Rebel Friend, write on. ;)

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      Michelle Scoggins 2 years ago from Fresno, CA

      Hey Bill your rambling today was very relevant and pleasant to read. I find this community to be very inviting and full of people that I would like to carry through my own journey in the dark. I agree that we should all push each other up and be supportive, however, on one occasion I have left a very truthful comment. It was because what the person was doing in my professional field was unethical. This person was using a psychological personality assessment tool that is reserved for those trained and most of the time psychologists. This person was not. On top of that psychological advice was given out and improperly used. That to me was something that the person and the unknowing people who trusted that individual deserved to know. I responded as tactfully as possible when unethical business practices are being used. On a better note - I would not trade our self built community for any other. Have a great day!!

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      Jamie Lee Hamann 2 years ago from Reno NV

      Bill, well said. I feel guilty that recently I have not been able to keep up on my reading. I hope that I do not lose any close Hub friends. I decided recently to change my career from Scientist to Educator. First, I am going to ramble and I hope you don't mind. I am a month away from finishing my first semester of my MAT (Masters of Arts in Teaching) with a specialization in General Science and Math. ( I would love to teach poetry, but sadly I have only a small amount of English credits). I have found Bill that running our property, taking care of the animals, starting a Masters, parenting my kids, and working full time is literally draining every last ounze out of me. But I have been able to fit a poem in here and there. Anyway, I also felt the need to ramble a bit. Your friend. Jamie

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Well put Bill. I have noticed much of the same here lately. The new member who is following 500 Hubbers in one day but has yet to publish a single hub? What's up with that. And like you I am not here for the money, thankfully, as my earnings are now back to where they were over two years ago. Really? And I also avoid the forums. Mostly because of time constraints but I also try to avoid negativity whenever possible. I think you wrote what many of us are thinking so thank you for being a spokesmen for the masses here. Have a great day.

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      இڿڰۣ-- кιмвєяℓєу 2 years ago from Niagara Region, Canada

      Hear! Hear! So true. This will give us all food for thought. You brought up some valid points, Bill. Btw, I already thought you the goodwill ambassador of HP? Lol. Best wishes, Kim

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      social thoughts 2 years ago from New Jersey

      This is a great commentary article about this site. I have wondered what point there is in following people just to follow them, but not to read. I don't just follow anyone. I prefer to know I will be reading their articles. If I had more time I would read much more on a more frequent basis! Perhaps more writers need experience in writer's workshops or writing classes. You learn how to respond to a piece rather than "it was good." *facepalm*

      I can't believe you're making less money. You publish more frequently than any other writers I'm following. I always figured this site is for writers who love to write and read other writers' work. Maybe not! By the way, I love your line, "..so what in the name of Bill Gates is happening?" Hilarious!

      I used to think I should try to make time to read the "hub of the day." Now, I am quite worried! Eek!

      I don't understand why all of the money is ads-based. What about content? Isn't that what makes the site popular and well-known in the first place? Are they not making much money from the site itself that they cannot afford to pay writers to do what they do, if they do it well?

      As for rude members, I would imagine because we aren't paid for content it doesn't matter as much if what we say is completely uncalled for. I'm not sure how someone lives their life feeling unfulfilled unless they tear down another writer. I am sure it's never as satisfying as they want to believe!

      I really love that this is a community. It could be the whole package: community and a better place to work as far as pay goes. We would all be each other's co-workers in a way, right? I prefer my co-workers to be my friends rather than my competition!

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      Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

      In a nutshell...well said! I have another tip to add, please do not share your own hubs on HP...it's very tacky. I've noticed that happening a bit more with newcomers. There is a reason that HP asks if you are sure you want to share your hub before you click that share button! :)

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      CrisSp 2 years ago from Sky Is The Limit Adventure

      Hi Bill! I'm pretty sure I've read a similar rant from you already from the past but hey, always a good read from billybuc. I may be guilty of reading from fellow hubbers and not commenting because sometimes, I just don't know what to say. Sometimes, I'd open the hub from my iphone and will not comment because I have clumsy fingers that are not very skilled on iphone keyboarding (I even dislike texting) or maybe I'm just an old fart. :) Sometimes, I'm up in the sky where there is no wi-fi and then back on the ground, I either forgot about it already or have to work my posterior off (again) on something else.

      Cut my long excuses short, I don't always have the time to comment (don't know how you do it) but I do read. And this is why, my goal is to retire early so I could enjoy more reading and writing and commenting (if need be). *smile*

      Obviously, today I'm on the ground...reading and commenting over a cup of coffee. Later on, I'll go ride my bike to pick up some grocery stuff for dinner. So, come by after 5...dinner will be ready then.

      Love from the sky~

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suhail, that is an interesting observation, one I had not considered. Thanks for sharing that...and thank you for being here so often. You are appreciated greatly.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Time, I fear I would die of a heart attack if I ever went viral. LOL Truly, the surprise would kill me off, so it's best I just write in relative obscurity.

      Thank you for your kindness. You are a good person and I'm glad we are online friends. As for the money...oh well...I'm used to having very little.

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      Jennifer Arnett 2 years ago from California

      I agree, HubPages should hire you, and if they do, I want to be your encouragement assistant.

      You get more comments on your hubs in one day than anyone I have seen on this site. You must be getting at least 400 views a day per new hub. I'm sorry that it hasn't been a money earner for you. However, you have done a brilliant job of using HP to your advantage in terms of building a blog readership and building a following o book buyers.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I do have an interesting group of followers. I'm a lucky man, and I mean that sincerely. Glad you are here my friend. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Rebel, it sure is good to have you back here. I miss quality people and you, my friend, are quality.

      If the chickens and cat don't care, then who am I to disagree with them. :)

      Have a great evening in the UK

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michelle, I would do the same thing. Psychology is not something to be messed with, and when there is inaccurate information, I think it is your duty to speak out. Well done, and I'm glad you are a member of our group. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jamie, bravo to you for pursuing education. We need more quality teachers, and that is coming from someone with eighteen years under his belt. Those were wonderful years in the classroom, and I'm thrilled you'll be following in my footsteps and leaving your own soon. Well done my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's my pleasure, Bill. I have a lot of time invested here, and I want HP to be the best community it can possibly be...so I toss out my opinions and hope someone listens. :) Thanks, buddy, and Happy Wednesday to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kim, for some reason, I didn't know that was your name, or I had forgotten...anyway, I'm glad you signed off that way. Thank you...I value you here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Social (yes, I do know your name, but I don't like using real names without permission) all of your statements are valid and I agree with you. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the HP offices and hear what their thinking is. I have degrees in Marketing and Economics, and I simply can't understand what their game plan is. Oh well, the day they ask for my opinion will be a first.

      Glad you liked the Gates line. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Linda. I've seen that happening often over the past six months...glad you mentioned it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cris, those of us who know you know you are busy and that you travel. It's the ones we never hear from that are questionable. Why follow at all if one isn't going to be part of the process?

      Dinner? I'm there...if not physically then in spirit. Thanks for the invite.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, thanks, Jen. Shhh, don't tell anyone my secret plan. LOL

      Actually, it is all part of a five-year plan. Everything I do has a purpose..but I got a bonus I never expected...I ended up with great friends along the way. How cool is that? :)

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      Rochelle Frank 2 years ago from California Gold Country

      Well now you have done it (got me to comment).

      I do follow you and I probably read most of your hubs, but it seems that by the time I get to one of them -- 700 people have already commented before me, and I have nothing original to add. Sometimes I do add a little, but usually it is a remix.

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      sheilamyers 2 years ago

      You've addressed close to everything I've heard other people asking about. The followers who don't follow is one of the things that makes me ask why they do it and I think I have a simple answer. They think because they follow someone that person will follow them. I won't automatically return the favor if that person doesn't have any hubs. I also won't follow them if they don't write about things I'd want to read.

      You may notice there are some of your hubs that don't have comments on them for me. Someone else said it - if I don't have anything to say, I don't say it. But by now you've probably figured out that's rare. Even if I don't comment, I always rate the hub (thumbs up or down) and choose one of the descriptions.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      A TON of money! Really? I wish HubPages would hire you to be the community director. I'm with you on the matter of bullies and trolls. I almost quit writing for HubPages because of those people. But, thanks to the loving side of the community, I was encouraged to keep on going. Now, like you I have met some really wonderful people and I truly enjoy my time spent here.

      I don't write as much these days because my content gets stolen (copied and pasted) on many other people's blogs and websites. I couldn't care less about the money I'm losing but, that type of behavior puts a bad mark on my Google Author reputation. Since Google chooses to let the robots do all the work of monitoring thieves, the thieves are allowed to continue doing what they do. There is no human who comes along to see what's happening and then just simply shut the thieves down. I wish HubPages had a department that was dedicated to protecting our work and Google Author reputation. I'm just so tired of fighting.

      {Side note - I've been busy with the house construction process and not able to read as much, but when I do have a moment here and there, one of the first things I like to do is to read something you've written.}

      You are such a joy to read and to hang out with.

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      Dianna Mendez 2 years ago

      "Follow me, comment on my articles, and I’ll return the favor. Pretty simple, really." This is pretty much what I feel. Newcomers don't know the meaning of community. Writing on HP is something I enjoy, otherwise I would have been gone awhile back. So thankful for you and the faithful sincere followers who support my efforts here.

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      dragonflycolor 2 years ago

      The chickens may not care, but maybe the quails do? I'm speculating at this point. So glad to have you in my circle of followed friends! LOL.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...thank you Rochelle. I know there are many like you....that section was mainly about the people who never follow anyone, but still "follow" them. I think there are newcomers who think they will receive some sort of door prize if they click as many follow buttons as possible. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheila, I do the same thing. I think that's pretty normal. We are all busy people, and sometimes, at least for me, I can't think of an intelligent thing to write, so I don't. But my mainstream buddies here usually show up, and I try to reciprocate as often as possible.

      Anyway, thank you as always...you are a gem and a friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, I wish I had an answer for the thieves, but I don't. The internet is just too big. Heck, the cops have a hard time catching internet predators, so what chance do we as writers have? Anyway, you are very nice to follow as you do, and I value you as a friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      The same here, Dianna. Other than the community, there is very little reason for me to be here...but I'll remain as long as people like you outnumber the bad eggs in the bunch. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mari, you are too funny. I'll have to check with the quail and get their input. :) I value your friendship...thank you.

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      schoolgirlforreal 2 years ago from USA

      I took a lot of time off from HP. But occasionally I come by and leave comments! :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And I'm always grateful, schoolgirl...thank you!

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      Jenn-Anne 2 years ago

      Excellent hub, as always! I hope all is well with you and yours.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      All is well, Jenn, thank you. I hope the same for you and yours.

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      Greg Boudonck 2 years ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico

      Great hub my friend. I have been on a break from the Hubbing stress. Unlike you Bill, I do need the money and I do much of it for money. I could probably do things better, but it is what it is.

      What is sad is seeing myself quadrupling the money at Bubblews. Hubpages has better material of mine, but pays terrible.

      Enough ranting; thanks for keeping me with a smile. Tell Bev hi and the quail too.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Greg, I totally get it regarding money. It is sad that HP doesn't seem to care about the payout end of this gig...they will lose, yet again, a whole lot of good writers.

      Thank you, and please tell Maria hello for me, and my condolences on the loss of her mother.

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      Maria Jordan 2 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      Like you, Bill, this is generous, helpful and down to earth!

      Hope you are having a wonderful week. Love ya, Maria

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      Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Yeah; I wonder where these followers are myself lol. Since Squidoo came in though I am getting a steady stream of new followers and they do comment occasionally so I am pleased about that.

      I rarely go to forums but as you know I sometimes speak my mind without thinking. lol I just for the life of me cannot understand how a hub gets HOTD and is as racial and insulting to certain groups as it can be and if I said half as much they would threaten to throw me out! Surely it got flagged (well I know it did once!) and I would think voted down by the ones it insulted. No figuring this place out; for sure.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Ok, for example the current HOTD (I know is written from a lady from the Philippines and English is probably not her first language....but there were too many errors in the first paragraph for me to read the rest of the hub. Even though it appeared to be very comprehensive and well set out. Maybe the HP staff do have to make corrections before publishing a hub as HOTD.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Maria. I'm so glad you found it useful. I am having a wonderful week my friend, and I wish the same to you.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I saw your comment on the HOTD and I howled. Hey, you just said what the rest of us were thinking...how in the world was that even allowed to publish, let alone picked as the best of the best? Scratching my head as I type this. :)

      Thank you...you are a joy!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I'm with you on that one. The thing is, it reflects poorly on the site. If the site is going to be taken seriously, then grammar mistakes like that can't be condoned, and the staff needs to clean up a Hub before allowing it to be showcased.

      Thanks as always buddy............

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Bro....I just recently made a vow to stop leaving comments the length of e-books. The truth is, I'm a gabber and there's little hope for that vow.

      Did I ever tell you how much I love and respect people who SAY what everyone else "thinks" or whispers about in corners? Oh yes I do and that bro, definitely runs in our family.

      Oops....we have to stop that stuff.....people are emailing me asking if you're REALLY my brother! LOL Who the He!! would wish me on such a great guy like you?

      Anyway confronting the 800 lb Gorilla in the room is something I live by and encourage and BTW.....I know when I've done an especially exceptional job, when faces turn BEET RED. "Yeah, that's right, I'm referring to you, bucko!"

      I have so much more respect for someone who will call me out for any little thing, rather than simmer or stew or totally misunderstand. So, how can I not be the sort of person to do just that? Psst.....I know you know this, but that gut-honesty, real world stuff is not at all popular.

      People love to be lied to, deceived and pumped up with a lot of doggy poo. What's to wonder how our entire country has become one sick muddled mess? Tobias Alexander has the answers to all that!

      Every day I'm going to begin to wean myself off HP.....but then I realize it's not just "HP" to me....it's my buddies, my BFF's, my mentors and fellow-gabbers and listeners. Our Community...our virtual family. It's my continuing Education, fun, socialization, laughter, wisdom and passion. I know that's not what it's Supposed to be about and there are some very very serious career-writers here whose intention is the income. I respect that and I admire them. I'm just not one of them. So, I'm grateful I'm allowed to stay. Tomorrow, I RENEW my vow...........Up+++++

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      Hooks and Needles 2 years ago

      Bill, I agree with everything you say. Hubpages has been good to me and I've learned a lot there, but I do question some of their decisions sometimes There have been a lot of comments elsewhere about HOTD choices. I had one ages ago.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hooks, I've had one...not bad out of 868, 'eh? LOL Thanks for stopping by.

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      Theresa Ast 2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Well written and perspicacious observations as always. It is a great community and I don't spend nearly as much time here as I should or as I would like. Blessings on you and yours. :) Theresa

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Aw, Bill, you know if you became an employee, then sure enough, you would change, and we would not recognize our beloved Bill any longer! Too much money does that to people : )

      I do wonder about all the followers who do not comment, but maybe some are just readers or they just try to get us to follow them back when they do not bother to read and comment on our hubs. I have received new followers from Squidoo, but most are reading and commenting.

      Just keep being you and all will be good!

      Hugs

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      Venkatachari M 2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      I appreciate your frankness and boldness in telling the naked truths without hesitating about what others may be thinking. But I can't be so much nude in my words.

      I am much concerned at your pointed out points. I see these things regularly not only here but on other sites also. But still hubpages is a very good community to live and I love it and hope things will get still better with people like you striving hard to put them right.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      I think you nailed it, Bill. I've puzzled myself over followers and am relieved that I do not have that many because I am just learning to balance those relationships. And that's how I see them, as relationships. I don't follow many people either because I don't want to short change them. I will say that HP is helping me learn to multitask better and to be more balanced. You can't be selfish here, which I think is wonderful. We are a community and a circle of friends. Quality over quantity-that applies to both giving and receiving. Being involved with those we follow and those who follow us is respectful and generous and I think people who don't operate according to what you said above are missing out on opportunities to grow. I wouldn't trade a single person I've met here for the pennies I've earned. And yes, seriously, what's up with HOTDs? (Scratch the chickens for me-they are very wise). Have an awesome day, and thank you for following me in the true sense of the word.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Theresa! I'm just grateful I have the time to be here often.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith. I have noticed that the new Squidoo followers are pretty good about commenting...nice to see. Now, if they could all be like you, I would have millions of views. :)

      blessings my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Venkatachari....that is my hope for HP as well. I love it, but I think it could be so much better.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Iris, you are simply a very nice person. Thank you for your thoughts on this. I couldn't say it better, and I am very happy that we met and got to know each other a bit. Here's to many more years of friendship. :)

      bill

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      Ur chickens don't care either LOL.. you know I read ur articles in the past and didn't comment because I was actually reading close to 40 hubs during my breaks.. and dint comment on many.. but I thought I was following you.. hmmm... but ur dead on with the following.. maybe we can start a campaign to get Billybuc hired.. hey I bet ur chickens could give a cluck about that... lol Frank

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Frank, that's the best line today. Love it...give a cluck! I'll be laughing the rest of the day. Well, I'm glad we got the following glitches worked out, because I greatly enjoy your work.

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      Jamie Jensen 2 years ago from Chicago

      Thanks Bill,

      Of course I don't mind!! I appreciate your comments on some of my hubs. :) What is a mailbag post? If you link me to it, I will help promote it on my social networks!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey ForLove...shoot, I forgot your name...is is Jamie? Sigh...I'm sorry. Anyway, every Monday I post a hub called The Writer's Mailbag...stay tuned for next Monday and I'll tackle your question.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hooray, I got your name right. That makes my day, Jamie....here's the link....https://hubpages.com/literature/The-Writers-Mailba...

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Was it something I said?......:( I commented yesterday.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sis, that's been happening of late. I'll go in order with comments, then one will appear in the middle somewhere after I've proceeded, and I never see it. I just went back and found yours, and it was asking me if it was spam? LOL Now that question is certainly open to interpretation, but in my mind, you will never be spam. :)

      So, I'm sorry, you were not being ignored, and your words are always appreciated.

      As for people speaking their minds, I'm with you. I know I can be a pain in the ass, and i need to be called on it. I may not enjoy it when someone tells me my shit stinks, but at least I respect them for telling me instead of holding it inside of them and then treating me differently from then on.

      And I'm proud to be your brother, so there!!!!!!!

      bill

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      SPAM?? Me?? Well! I never!.......(you're right though, the jury may still be out on that)

      If I'm not mistaken, it's not YOUR $hit.....according to our funny friend DJ...it's your dog's!! That picture is award-winning.

      Glad you finally found me amongst the throngs of comments! Have a great week-end. Hugs to Bev & family and of course, the chickens.

      I told my sister that I found our long lost brother. She gave me a thumb's up!!

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      Heidi Thorne 2 years ago from Chicago Area

      I think HP should hire you, too, as the official Welcome Wagon.

      Totally understand the follow-without-following scenario. Same thing happnens on Twitter with regularity. Some of it can be attributed to overwhelm of the sheer volume of information and/or it's impossible to be on 24/7/365 to properly follow. But even in that ocean of stuff, the best tweeters and Hubbers do bubble to the top with their consistent posting and participation.

      And, sadly, because Google pretty much owns the game, they can change the game... frequently. Usually, I'll observe a rebound within a few weeks of a slump.

      Let us know if you get hired. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sis, she wouldn't give a thumbs up if she met me. LOL No way are you spam my dear...a little ham for sure, but spam....NEVER!

      All is well here. As I write this, baby quail are hatching in the incubator. My life is damn good, Sis. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, honestly, I would not serve if hired. I am quite happy doing what I'm doing for little or no pay. :) And you are right...the cream rises to the top no matter how busy they are, as you do every single time. Have a great weekend my friend.

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      So Bill,

      I know a beautiful story. Too long to tell. It's all about following one's own nature, and you do this so well. Excellent Hub with no punches pulled. Peace, Bro.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Manatita! I'm much too old to be someone I'm not. What you see is what you get when I'm writing. I'm glad you like it.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      "....What you see is what you get when I'm writing." And, if you are not, you are what? Just wondering. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Only the Shadow knows, ArtDiva. :)

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Ahhh...the elusive shadow person creeping the night darkly in Nerd clothing, spitting out words. :)

      So prolific, I can only wish.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nerd clothing? I thought rather dapper. LOL

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      toknowinfo 2 years ago

      Hi Bill, I love the hub and I love when you speak your mind. Every word is so true, and I couldn't have said it better.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you toknowinfo...I always enjoy your visiting.

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      Joanna McKenna 2 years ago from Central Oklahoma

      Bill, please forgive me for having a good laugh that "the man with the answers" - referring to the Writer's Mailbag, of course - wrote a hub full of questions. (I'm 90% Brit, so I inherited an odd sense of humor...)

      That said, since I've been at HP much longer than you, and since there are a bazillion comments ahead of me and this one probably won't be read by anyone BUT you, feel free to use the following (in which I'll answer your questions in sequence) in next Monday's Mailbag.

      1(a). Followers Who Do Not Follow: Alas, I have to admit to being guilty of that, but only because there are only 24 hours in a day, and CERTAIN HUBBERS - you know who you are - crank out hubs faster than I can read THEM *and* the hubs of others I follow (with or without leaving a comment!).

      1(b) Newbies who follow hundreds of hubbers on their first day without writing any hubs themselves are known as "warehousers" and aren't doing themselves any favors if they intend to stay here because HP has an algorithm to flag such activity, which affects their current and future Hubber score. IF they stick around, that is, which they usually don't. Also, the best advise I got for a newbie when I came here was **just hang out for a couple of weeks and see how things work**. Get the lay of the land, as it were. This is NOT Facebook, for petesake, where following a lot of people right off the bat improves your ratings.

      NOTE: Your own personal Hubber score is affected by the Hubber scores of those YOU follow, so it's a good idea to go through your Following list regularly and UNfollow any whose scores are in the low 80s and below, or who haven't logged in for months.

      2. Latest Google reshuffle causing reduced views and earnings: JUST BE PATIENT. This is a bi-annual occurrence. It'll all shake out in a month or two - it **ALWAYS** does - and things will go back to normal.

      3. HOTD - In the Real World, someone would get up a petition to HP, which a bazillion of us would sign, demanding to know how the HOTD is REALLY chosen. I fail to see how a poorly-written hub about choosing nail polish color, for example, could POSSIBLY receive such a distinction. Again, in the Real World, we'd just call HP HQ and ASK, but Oldtimers have long known that's an exercise in futility.

      4. Hubbers who tear down other hubbers PUBLICLY: A BIG no-no! I do as you do, Bill. Contact a hubber offline via email to alert them to spelling or grammar errors and such. That's the POLITE way to do it.

      Those who tear down other hubbers in the forums are the reason I rarely visit forums these days. "Feeding time at the zoo" is not my idea of fun, and those who rip fellow hubbers apart for the fun of it are scumbags in my book.

      One more thing. I've noticed a lot of hubs lately that don't have a Comment capsule. Why bother writing a hub if you don't want feedback?????

      Okay, I lied. Two more. If someone takes the time to leave a comment on a hub - a real comment, more than a "Great hub" - then the author is expected to reply in some fashion. Even a "Thanks, [name of hubber]" is sufficient. NOT acknowledging a comment is just plain rude.

      Upped and shared as usual! ;D

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Bill, just want to thank you for your comments on my blogs. When responding, I've neglected to include your name direct, mainly because I am not all that familiar with the formatting here, but learning. Again, thank you.

      Hard to believe you have over 800 blogs. Just don't know where you find the time. Always good reads.

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      Genna East 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      I agree. Followers who don’t follow are puzzlement. And then we have the stalkers. I have one who follows only me, yet hasn’t written any hubs or posted any comments. Anywhere. He follows my comments, hubs, etc. This has been going on for a year. He has no followers, obviously, and has a hub score of 69. I’ve written the gods at Hubpages about him, and am waiting for an intelligent answer. Like you, Bill, I love this community, and the camaraderie, encouragement and support with writers like you. It’s a treasure.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jama, it is true, the Answer Man, at times, is clueless.

      I don't know what to add to this comment. You really said it all. I did not know about the Hubber score being affected by whom you follow.....I was just about to clean out my "follow" list, so we'll see what that does to my score...not that I care much about the score, but I am curious.

      Leave a comment...how hard is that to do? and for God's sake, respond to a comment. You are right...not doing that is just rude.

      Thanks my friend. Take the rest of the weekend off. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ArtDiva, you are very welcome. I don't know about leaving names. I don't care if you use my name, but I always worry about leaving a woman's name, especially if it is not the same as her profile name...so I err on the side of caution and just use the profile name.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genna, that's a little freaky for sure, and I don't blame you at all for contacting management. I know of another Hubber who went through the same thing. Good luck with that one, and thank you for being a part of this community my friend.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      I saw that Hubpages should hire you on the spot! This is an awesome hub and leaves a lot to consider.

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      These are some good, not-so-random thoughts on HP, and I share quite a few of them. I am also bewildered by the followers who don't have any indication of actually following -- many recently. Really, what's the point? And the views and earnings. Huh. You aren't alone.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, so far no call from HP! LOL I'm not holding my breath for it to happen.

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      John Messingham 2 years ago from East Kilbride, Scotland

      I am new here and still finding my feet. In fact the same can be said about my writing as well. I fall into the 'Reading but not commenting' category although I guess this comment proves that is changing now.

      Anyway thanks for this hub as it answers a few questions I had myself.

      I am now of to read some other hubs I have bookmarked and will probably comment on.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, thank you for commenting. It makes it possible for me to reciprocate, and that's always a good thing. :)

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 2 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Bill,

      Oh how right you are about the goings on here at HP. You have been an inspiration not only to me but thousands here, the godfather of HP! It certainly won't make you rich here but I agree it is way more than a writing platform. Friendships have been made that will last . . . people are what matters at the end of the day. Thanks for the ramblings, spot on in my opinion from my 2+ years here my friend. X

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzie, you have no idea how much I have missed you. You had a good thing going here. You were doing everything right and building a name for yourself. I really think you need to......

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      Ann1Az2 2 years ago from Orange, Texas

      I noticed on hubpages something that kind of irks me. I went to a level 7 commentator, didn't make any comments for awhile, so I was knocked down to a 6. I used to be an 8! I guess you have to make consistent comments in order to obtain a level 8. I used to be a lot more active on this sight I guess. I agree with you on the Google thing, but who in the world understands their algorithms?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, that has happened to quite a few writers I know....and the Google thing...I have no clue, but happily, I don't really care. :)

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      Ann1Az2 2 years ago from Orange, Texas

      Me neither, Bill. Writing is supposed to be fluent and sincere. If you have to worry about "key words" and all that stuff, who needs it?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Certainly not me, Ann. I wouldn't be a writer if that was a requirement.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      I never knew about the browbeating, as I don't have time for the forums…I barely have time to BE on here as it is. But I am here for the same reasons that you are--the open support and camaraderie of those that care. I actually wondered about some of the same items of which you speak, myself...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, DeB! It can get quite nasty on the forums. I'm got better things to do that get browbeaten or browbeat others. I'm a writer, not a critic.

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      Catherine Tally 2 years ago from Los Angeles

      You get my vote as Ambassador of Hubpages:) I often feel like a starving dog waiting for a meager scrap. Thankfully fellow writers give me encouragement even though I am often a loner in the community. My time here is inconsistent, and I have lengthy dry spells. I can definitely relate to your musings here and laughed aloud on occasion. Well expressed!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Cat. HP needs an ambassador of some sort to spread the love in this community. Unfortunately, the staff and management don't see to understand that.

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