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Why Are You On HubPages? Writing Groups Are Invaluable Communities

Updated on January 26, 2014

The Question of the Day


I have, at this moment, 1,422 followers on the online writing group called HubPages.

I am sure many who are reading this are thinking that 1,422 is a large number and yes, I suppose it is, but it is also a curious number to me. Allow me to explain.

Of those 1,422 followers, I would guess that I only hear from, at most, 100 of them on a regular basis. Some have stopped writing for whatever reason. Some are still members of HubPages but are no longer active on the site, and I understand that as well.

However, the ones that truly confuse me are the ones who sign on as a follower and then never interact with their fellow writers. I never see a comment from them, and when I visit their site and leave a comment I never hear from them. It is as though their main goal on HubPages is to collect followers and improve their profile numbers and that has me confused.

You see to me, HubPages is an online writing community, a place where writers gather to improve their craft and offer encouragement to other writers. Sure you can make money on these sites but seriously, how many of us can pay our bills from the money made on HP? Most of the people who hang in my circles are here because they want to become better writers. Most, if not all, are supportive and positive-minded, and over time good friendships have been formed.

But that leaves us with those who just write their articles and do not really become part of the community and so I have to ask: Why are you on HubPages?

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A Definition for You


From our friends at Merriam-Webster:

Community:

b : the people with common interests living in a particular area; broadly : the area itself <the problems of a large community>

c : an interacting population of various kinds of individuals (as species) in a common location.

To me, the most important phrase of that definition is “an interacting population.” Writers come together in a virtual world and interact with each other. We read the articles written by our peers. We leave comments. We offer suggestions when asked for and we are willing to help when needed. Is that not what a community is, or am I terribly confused and mistaken?

What a Community Is Not


A community is not a site where one dumps their work and pays no attention to their fellow writers.

A community is not a site where one attempts to rack up numbers at the expense of the common good.

A community is not a place where wounds are delivered and it is not a place where vindictive criticism is given to writers who are struggling with their craft.

For HubPages, or any other writing group, to be a successful community, there must be an atmosphere of comradeship and support. There must be a willingness among the members to help one another, for isn’t our common goal to improve as writers and perfect our craft? How can we do that in an arena of negativity and/or neglect?

HubPages will survive financially as long as it can find writers willing to agree to the Spartan terms of payment. However, it will never survive as a beacon to new writers and a Shangrila for those in need of support and encouragement as long as members are only in it for themselves.

Why Are You on Hubpages?


This is not a competition. I cannot emphasize that enough. There are seven billion people on this planet, more than enough to go around for the hundred thousand plus writers on HP.

This is not a forum established to feed egos, and it certainly is not an accounting office where the only concern is individual numbers.

HubPages is a community! If you are shocked and disappointed that your views are low then I suggest you become an active part of the community. If you feel isolated then reach out and get involved. To borrow from JFK, ask not what HubPages can do for you….ask what you can do for HubPages.

As a member of HubPages for the past fifteen months, I have seen them come and seen them go. They stop by for a howdy and a cup of coffee and then leave disillusioned and wanting more. I find that sad but at the same time I am okay with them leaving. For a community to be healthy it needs community members who care and want to be involved.

Honestly, I could care less about the financial aspects of HubPages. They can spew forth their wisdom about SEO and keywords and I offer up a large yawn in return. This is not about money to me. For me, writing is an art form and it is one that is very important to me, and I believe I can become a better writer by working with fellow writers and not against them. As an added bonus, I believe I can become a better person if I work with my fellow writers and not against them.

HP can keep their stupid dollar a day. The day I write with the express purpose of making a dollar a day is the day I need to leave writing.

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Why I Am on Hubpages


No, it is not for the money and honestly it is not for the exposure. I can gain exposure by submitting my work to national contests and magazines, and I have several blogs that do that as well. I am still here and active on HubPages because I love the community.

I joked with Bev the other day that she and I could go on a cross-country road trip and we would have writers to visit in every state. Hell, we would have quite a few writers who would meet us for dinner and offer us a place to stay. Why? Because they are my friends! We have never met but we know a great deal about each other, and we respect each other and we care about each other. I could literally put out an itinerary of where we are heading and the days we would be in particular cities, and there would be writers waiting for us when we got there.

The same thing would happen in Europe!

Isn’t that amazing?

I have written in several of my travel articles about Washington State that I want my fellow writers to notify me when they are coming to Washington on a trip, because I want to be their tour guide….and I do! I want to sit down with them as old friends do, and laugh and share, as old friends do….because they are my friends.

I have written in several of my articles that I want my writer friends to reach out and ask for my help if they need advice or support. Why? Because they are my friends!

Yes, I love this community, and I plan on being here for quite some time, good Lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise! For those of you who do not feel that way, and who are only in it for a dollar a day or whatever riches you envision, I say good luck to you.

Now….how can I help those of you who feel the way I do?

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sallybea, thank you for your kind words. I am puzzled by some on HubPages. I'm sure I don't know all the stories behind their reasoning, but if you are going to be in a community then I think you need to be a part of that community...an active part. Not you of course, but those who do not seem to understand the value of having writer friends who can support you.

      I wish you luck with your writing endeavors. I hope traffic picks up soon for you. Thank you!

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      One thing is for sure, I know that if I ever needed some advice on Hubpages you would one of the first people I would turn Billybuc. The importance of having followers with mutual interests can't be denied - I would love to have a few more who enjoyed some of my hobbies. If I have not found all of them yet, I hope they will sometime find me because they do seem a little thin on the ground with most of my traffic coming from outside Hubpages. Having said that, I will contradict myself and say that we on Hubpages do have one mutual interest, writing - so like you Billybuc, it does seems strange to me also that not all of our followers return the favor when we comment on their Hubs!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cherryseeds, welcome to HubPages and thank you for your kind words. I love HubPages and I hope you find the same amount of enjoyment here as I have.

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      KABILIGI Clement 4 years ago from Kigali-Rwanda

      thanks billybuc. actually I'm really in rythm of what you say and you really mean it. this is my fourth day on HP but I have already seen your name coming in my mailbox and notifications for several times because I once interacted with you. This has shown me how much you regularly follow your content and respond to followers. This is really interesting and it really makes up a community of active people. Thanks.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, it makes no sense to me at all. If you aren't going to be a part of the community then why bother signing up? Anyway, I'm very happy here and I love having you as a friend, so thank you.

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      I couldn't have said it better myself, Bill. I have wondered at the numbers and it is puzzling to try to understand why people latch on to you. Love your reflection and I feel better about it all. So glad you are part of this community!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Glimmer, I am very happy that you are here. Thank you for your loyalty and friendship.

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 4 years ago

      Interesting hub Bill. I originally came onto hubpages as a whim, but have found that I really enjoy the friendships. Funny because I am not usually a group person. It's given me a new look at different things.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, you can bet we will stop by for some cards and good eats when we do make the trip. It will probably be two years from now, but our friendship isn't going anywhere in the meantime. Looking forward to meeting you my friend. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ladydeonne, many of us feel the same way, about you and many others. This is a wonderful community and I am proud to be a part of it. Thank you so much for the visit.

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Beautifully said, Billy. Hey, why don't you make that trip? You have a place to stay here in Stillwater. When I can get some time off and extra cash, I will visit with you, too. Bev and I could cook wonderful meals, we could visit Boomer Lake, and maybe play cards for entertainment. No TV here, but there is a horse next door! Realistically, there are a LOT of people that I would like to see in this community. And that's what really matters, those of us with like minds, who live together, work together, and smile together.

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      Your hub is very thought provoking. Before becoming a hubber, I had no idea that I would meet so many talented and caring writers. Yy intent was to publish a few articles to add to my resume as I am in the process of taking on free lance writer work and to then be on my way. Since being with HP, I have been happy to learn that community is valued as well as encouraged. I am as active as time permits and look forward to a long relationship with you and my other hubbers. I look forward to my time spent here. I get good vibes from HP members and am blessed that I found you all.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, you are the perfect example of this community. You are loyal and insightful and always leave meaningful comments. I appreciate you my friend.

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      You are spot on with your observations on the community on hubpages, Bill. And I love the regulars like you. And yes, if you ever happen to think of visiting India, you have a tour guide here.

      I do try and respond to those who comment on my hubs and I'm appreciative of my fellow hubbers who do so as well. Though time is a big factor but I do respond.

      Excellent hub.

      Up and awesome.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vinaya, I am at that point myself. I will start deleting people soon and get the list down to a group that I can count on. Thank you for reading four of my hubs today; much-appreciated my friend.

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      Vinaya Ghimire 4 years ago from Nepal

      Bill

      Your observation about followers is true. I don't believe in following randomly, I don't follow back every Tom, Dick and Harry. Before I follow someone, I read their profile and content, then decide whether to follow or not. I even go back to my followers list and unfollow people who are absent on the site.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mel, I am counting on seeing you the next time I am in your neighborhood. :) Just giving you some advanced warning....very advanced. :) I for one am very happy that you are a member of this community. Thank you for your support and friendship.

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      Melanie Chisnall 4 years ago from Cape Town, South Africa

      Aaaah Bill! Sometimes we just need a little reminder of what this community is all about. I joined around the same time as you I think and joined to meet people and write what I wanted to write. I've met some fantastic people here and love writing here. For a few months I lost touch with HubPages because I had a novel I was trying to write. Now I'm back after realising how much I missed it. I'm going to make more of an effort to get back in touch with the community that I was once a part of. You're right though - this is not the place for self promotion. There are other places for that. Great job my friend! Oh, and by the way...if you ever head over to Africa, you've got a place for dinner too. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gail, for a long time I found it amazing, too; now it just seems the norm. There are some people who are not hear to interact. They start out collecting follows and then decide it really isn't that important to them. I'm sure glad for the 100 regulars. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      L.L.., thank you! I think most of us have received far more from HP than we thought we would. I am very grateful for this site and people like you who bring out the best in me.

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      Gail Meyers 4 years ago from United States

      Bill, I agree with your opinion of the situation. It is amazing that you have over 1,400 follows, but only hear from about 100 of them on a regular basis.

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      L.L. Woodard 4 years ago from Oklahoma City

      Bill, I enjoy your upbeat and positive way of interacting with others here and the freshness with which you present your thoughts.

      When I first came to HubPages, I had no idea about the scope of the community interaction here, but have come to enjoy it. I am more of a browser than a participant in the more public portions of the sight, but have learned a lot about the craft -- and about people -- since I've been here.

      Great hub; voted up and Shared.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, I am very happy that you have found that here at HP. If it were not for the people I doubt I would be here.

      Thank you and I'm happy that you are with us.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, I have had to make the same decisions. There are some Hubbers who are very supportive, like you, and I will read everything that they write. Others may show up once in six months and I admit, they do not get my attention very often.

      I'm glad you are here...thank you!

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      Anna Haven 4 years ago from Scotland

      Hi, I joined because I wanted to continue to evolve my writing and continue learning. It has been a big bonus realising that some honest, decent and very gifted people exsist out there in cyberworld, who have really enhanced the experience.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I must say that i feel the same as you do. Many follow and expect a read and comment, then never return a visit. I do not read their for profit hubs. I think it is wonderful to be able to write and make money, nothing wrong with that and i follow them gladly. Thank's....

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ky, we all have time constraints. Some more than others. Do what you can and be genuine in your remarks and people will appreciate you. Thank you for stopping by from Louisville.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzie, your house would be one of our first stops...then Wales to see Eddy, and then hopping all over England. I would love that trip my dear friend. Thank you for your friendship.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, Mary!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I would love to go to Florida. I have so many friends there, you included, and it would be a wonderful adventure. Thank you for your support kind lady and yes, you are a friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lesley, those who have known you for awhile understand...we all get busy. Life comes first. I appreciate you very much, so thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sallybea, I would be thrilled to have you as a follower and to follow you as well. One can never have too many good friends. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Kathryn, I wrote this to encourage others to become an active part of the community, and also to tell all of you how much I appreciate you. Thank you for your support my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I would be delighted if we could meet one day. Who knows, right? Thank you my friend. I love HP!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jennifer, with an invitation like that, how could I refuse. One day we will make it over there and we would love to meet you. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martin, I would starve if I were relying on HP, but the other rewards more than make up for the lack of money. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      one2get2no, I will remember the dinner invite and take you up on it. Thank you sir!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzie, you are very kind. If I help others here then I am happy. I know others helped me when I was first starting out, so I'm just giving back to this wonderful community.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Escobana, I obviously agree with you. I know I'm a much better writer because of HubPages. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, it's a new life, a gift we probably shouldn't be alive to enjoy, but I plan on enjoying the heck out of it in my time left. Have a great day buddy!

      bill

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      Ky Cardinal 4 years ago from Louisville, Ky

      I enjoyed your Hub. I guess I haven't learned to manage my time as well as I should. I don't read as many Hubs as I would like. After reading your comments on HP I will make more of an effort.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Bill,

      I came to hubpages not having written anything, finding myself unemployed and wanting to start earning my own income by trying something I always wanted to do but never had the confidence to try. In less than a year I have been astonished at how this community is so supportive and giving. The opportunities, friends I have made and the sheer love of this craft has been something I would not have missed. I have tried to totally submerge myself in everything here and it has certainly benefited me in ways I did not expect. You know Bill, as I have said many times, there will always be a latte and a bed for you and Bev when you hit the European adventure trail in Ireland or Italy!!

      You keep on doing what you are doing Bill, you are such a great writer, friend and the example to all of what community spirit is all about. Votes all the way and back again!!

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      Mary Hyatt 4 years ago from Florida

      I forgot to say I voted UP, and will share with others.

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      Mary Hyatt 4 years ago from Florida

      Good Morning, Bill. OK, I admit it... I came here to make some $, and in doing so HP has certainly made my life richer. I have met so many wonderful caring people here. I consider every writer here a friend.

      I marvel at all the time and effort you put into HP. I know how much you write, not only for HP, but for other sites, etc., and yet you always take the time (I don't know how) to leave meaningful comments.

      I certainly value your support and friendship.

      While you are in Florida, look up a tiny little place called Palm City; right outside another little town, Stuart

      I would love to meet you and Bev. Have a wonderful day, Mary

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      Lesleysherwood 4 years ago

      I agree with everything you have said here Bill. I feel SO bad, guilty as I suffer terribly with lack of time, trying to hold down the day job. So please forgive me ALL of you, for my lack of comments. x

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      I imagine the whole of the Hubpages community will soon be couch surfing at the billybuc residence - that makes me smile. I often read your replies to the community and I can see how encouraging you are so please - please would you mind if I were your number 1,246 follower? Great Hub - feel the love! Voted up

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      Kathryn 4 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

      Bill, I love this community more than any other aspect of what HubPages is about. I find the advice and help and friendliness from others around here so much more enriching to my life and my writing than any pocket change HP gives me. As for followers, I don't give the amount of my followers much thought. I just interact, and enjoy the fellow writers who comment back!

      This is a beautiful article with a very true message, and I hope people get a lot out of it.

      Thanks again, and I'm sharing!

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      How can you help? By doing exactly what you've been doing that's for sure. This is a talented and caring community and you're a big part of it!!

      There's a spare room in Tillson, NY for you and Bev too.

      Voted up, awesome, and interesting and shared.

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      Jennifer Stone 4 years ago from the Riverbank, England

      You've hit the nail right on it's proverbial head with this one Bill! I've recently had a few months away from hp, for various reasons, a busy life and limited internet access... and I found that writing was lost to me too! I love it here, the support and friendship I find, and the inspiration and confidence it gives me to continue writing... even if it's scribbled in my notebook and never makes it to publication lol. I love the fact that I now know people all over the world too... and you and Bev will always be welcome here in the UK to join me on the riverbank for a cup of tea or two, and some cake... then dinner of course... :-)

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. Me too. The community and to Hubpages' support thereof. If it is money, hubpages is not for you.

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      Philip Cooper 4 years ago from Olney

      Great hub Billy. I agree with your thoughts here. Hubbers form a community of like minded people and as in local urban communities they can help, share and encourage others. Thanks for your insights and when you next visit the UK dinner is on me.

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      LaThing 4 years ago from From a World Within, USA

      Beautiful hub, Billy! I can feel the comradeship, the glow of friendship, I can feel the aura of companionship round my iPad!! Maybe, it's just me...... tired late at night, hehe! But seriously, you are absolutely right..... I came here, accidentally, and fell in love with the community, the friendship, the bonding..... This is beautiful! Your hub is very encouraging, and touches the heart. Love the JFK quote, LOL. You are a true inspiration here..... And you are alway there for us! Thanks, Billy, for sharing this. Take care.....

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      Escobana 4 years ago from Valencia

      In it for the same reasons and yes I agree with your beautiful message.

      I might be one of the Hubbers around not as active as some them are but I get involved and I find friends here and I comment as much as I can.

      The rewarding feeling of being in this community is an amazing bonus on top of being passionate about writing. I think this is what makes me grow as a person even more than it makes me a better writer:-)

      Up, shared and awesome Billy!

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      Mark Bruno 4 years ago from New Jersey Shore

      Bill, you are so right. For me, the one that hated school so and here I am writing everyday for the last 3 years trying to help others. I never opened a book to study and hated to read and now reading hubs, blogs, etc everyday. Boy how life changes right? Going to hit the sack so take care and I guess we will meet up tomorrow.

      Thanks for being a good friend and you are right we are both comfortable just the way we are and the new lives we both have. Awesome stuff for sure :)

      Mark

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, I get about one of those a week and like you I can't figure out what their game is. Makes no sense to me. Anyway, buddy, you and I are comfortable here and loving every minute of it, so life is good for both of us. Who would have guessed a few years ago that we would be here now, right?

      Thank you as always my friend.

      bill

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      Mark Bruno 4 years ago from New Jersey Shore

      Bill, another knock out my friend. You hit the nail right on the head, Plus

      "Ask not what HubPages can do for you….ask what you can do for HubPages. (Awesome !) Yes I have seen them come and go also Bill. What kills me is someone follows you and I go to their profile and see no avatar, no profile, and NO HUBS written. I say to myself,"why in the world would someone sign up to HP and do nothing. That blows my mind. Nevertheless, you write great Bill and all the information you write about is right on in my book.

      All the best always Bill !!

      Mark

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good night Doc! Sleep well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      One day it may happen, Doc. I hope so.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      I consider you a good friend too:) have a good night

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Thanks Billy. That is very kind of you to say. Looking forward to meeting you and Bev.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Doc, it has been a joy getting to know you through HubPages and I consider you a good friend. If Bev and I ever make it to Florida we will definitely visit you.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Awesome hub! I really like the message here. I'm also here to improve my craft and definitely not for the money. I also love to read and leave valuable comments on hubs that I find useful and interesting. I have also met some wonderful people like you Billy in this community.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, you said it perfectly....you get out of HubPages what you put into it. Count me in my dear. Bev and I will eventually show up on your doorstep hoping for a tour and loving every minute of it.

      love,

      bill

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      Audrey Hunt 4 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Dear Billy -

      I love this entire description of our Hubpage Community. I treasure my "hubpage family" and the close friendships I've made during my 3 marvelous years here. You head the list my beautiful friend. I'd like to add that I have found that we get just as much out of hubpages as we put into it, and more! It's up to us.

      I would like to invite anyone in my hubpage family to stop by and say hi when visiting beautiful Idyllwild, California. It would be such fun to take you on a tour and get to know you.

      Thank you Bill for the help you have given me and for being a true friend. Hugs - Audrey

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lisa, life does have a tendency to get in the way sometimes. You are a wonderful member of HP and I'm happy to be following you.

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      Lisa Williams 4 years ago

      This is a lovely Hub! I know I tend to disappear at times.... It is only because of situations in my life. I thrive on the community here!....I absolutely love the comrade ! I feel as if you all are a second family. That was really the message in this article! Thanks for posting =)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Blondey, it was my pleasure. If I can deliver a laugh then I feel pretty good about my writing. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, that bridge is burned....she need not try to repair it. LOL You are very much like me...burn me once and then get the hell out of my face. I'll leave forgiveness to the nuns.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, one day Bev and I are going to take that extended road trip and you can count on us knocking at your door. You are a kind lady and you are everything that is good about HubPages. Thank you my friend!

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      Rosemary Amrhein 4 years ago from Boston, MA

      I find this funny and interesting at the same time, Bill.

      LOL! I love how you directly speak to these "writers"...it's so funny and true. thanks for the laugh!!

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Oh, she just tried to redeem herself on one of my hubs. I let her know in no uncertain terms that misjudging and speaking before you think goes a long way. A way I'm sure I'll not travel with her. There was not even an apology. Just the fact that maybe we have something in common she didn't see. Sorry, Charlie. It takes more than that!

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      Vickiw 4 years ago

      Hi Bill, I always enjoy your words of wisdom so much, and consider myself one of your faithful followers. I also know that we are great virtual friends, and get a real kick out of that! I know that I could turn to you any time at all for help, and it would be given. I hope you know the same about me. That is what is so wonderful about being a Hubber. And of course your room is ready here too, on the shores of lovely Okanagan Lake. Not really all that far away. . . .your words are always passionate and true, and I admire that. Love and Hugs, Vicki

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, the bashers get us all sooner or later. There is nothing I can do for someone so unhappy that they feel the need to bash my work. If I put my stuff out there I have to expect it. As for the 161/16 Hubber, good job! It is fairly obvious that they are not here to interact with fellow "writers."

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Valley, it is strange, but for some reason I thought you lived in California. Hard to believe I missed it by that much. LOL I would love to visit the UK one day, and I'll be sure to add the Ribble Valley to my itinerary. Thank you and well done with those journals.

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, you are so right. We are a community if nothing else. We cry here, we laugh here, we mourn and we seek guidance.

      I just experienced my first bashing by a hubber I was trying to support by reading and commenting on her poem.

      She blasted me in two separate comments, accusing me of being judgemental. Needless to say, I'm very hurt. I have never been accused of that before and I certainly don't judge anyone on HP. Hell, when you read my stories, I'm the one who could be judged!

      Today, I received notification of a follower who is following 161, has 16 followers, yet he's not posted a profile nor a hub. I reported him. OK, judge me now!

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      Valleypoet 4 years ago

      Whilst I have been a member of the hubpages community I have had poetry published in journals...it is a personal ambition that I have managed to achieve, and am very proud that I have....it would, however, never have happened had it not been for people such as your good self Bill, and others in the community. Before joining I didn't have sufficient confidence in my poems to consider submitting them for publication. Once I started publishing them here, I received some encouraging feedback, and soon found that my confidence began to grow, which in turn made me start to believe in my ability. I do, therefore, fully endorse everything you have said in this hub Bill.

      If you ever take a European road trip my friend, be sure to include The Ribble Valley in the U.K on your itinerary:-))

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rhonda, I will keep speaking out and I will keep helping others...this is what I do, and I'm much too old to be silenced by anyone. LOL....Do you know how much you have meant to me here on HP? Very early on when I was still fairly new, you said some very nice things to me that made me realize that I belonged here. That simple act of kindness kept me here and kept me writing and now look....I can't stop. LOL

      Thank you my friend. If you are ever in Washington I expect a call.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, you are an excellent poet and it is a pleasure following you. As for friendships....I have only had one negative experience on HubPages from someone who said they were a friend but then stabbed me in the back. Although I have not forgotten that experience, it has not kept me from forming new friendships and enjoying Hubpages each and every day.

      Thank you my friend and yes, I do consider you a friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, I swear, if Bev and I ever travel to Florida, we would be seeing Hubber friends for months. I must have 25 close followers and friends in Florida alone. One day my friend, and it will be a pleasure to meet with you. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, it will happen...just give me time to figure out how. :)

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alicia, it took about a month before I came to this realization....I love this community of like-minded souls...we all create beauty for the world and I think that is remarkable.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheri, one of my plans is to take Bev to Victoria...I don't know when it will happen but it will happen. So you might be hearing from us and we would love to have lunch with you. That would be great! As for groups for newcomers, I do not know of any, but why don't you start one on Facebook? It's easy to do...call it the Beginner Hubbers Cafe or some other dorky name. :) I can help you set it up if you want.

      And thank you for your kind words. You are a nice lady and I'm happy to help you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, if Bev and I ever take the ultimate road trip, you can count on us visiting you. I would love to meet you in person. Thank you and keep thinking about warmer weather and sunshine.

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      poetvix 4 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

      There are many types of hubbers. The good Lord knows I have learned so much from people here that have never spoken to me nor even know I exist, and that's cool. I'm grateful for the information. It's hubbers like you who really build the community that keep many of us returning. I can Google information anywhere and I have been on other writing communities. HubPages is unique, in my opinion, because of it's welcoming and supportive nature. While the hub team is great, and they have helped me, it's the members like you who make our world here. Hubbers are the first to step up and help each other.

      You go Bill! Keep pointing to the best that gets no play when money tends to be the theme of the day.

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      Jackie Lynnley 4 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Billy boy you write faster than I can read!

      I agree though, I don't write for pay either, I should, it isn't like I couldn't use another 20 bucks now and then, lol, but it isn't why I came here either and I sure did not come here to write poetry...but look at me now! Really I found emotions bother some people so I put it in a poem. I sometimes wonder about people who seem so friendly and anxious to be friends and then they are no more. Makes you wonder if someone is bad mouthing you sometimes don't it? lol But what can we do...maybe it just takes more time for some. And look at the friends we have!

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      Wayne Barrett 4 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Brilliant article, Bill and I agree with you wholeheartedly! I have only been on HB for a couple of months but I feel like I have made so many connections with new friends that it is unbelievable. I am not only enjoying the high of seeing others read my work, but I am being introduced to so many other styles of work. I am learning, and being entertained at the same time. I love this place! And Bill...if your ever in Clearwater Florida...

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Woudn't it be wonderful to open the door and see you both stood there !!

      'Never say never is one of my mottos.'

      Lots of love

      Eddy.

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      Linda Crampton 4 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      This is an interesting and thought-provoking hub, Bill, as always. I love your ideas about thinking of HubPages as a community of writers.

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      Sheri Dusseault 4 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

      Bill in the short time I have been hubbing you have been more help to me than you could know. I have so much to learn and am just loving the experience. I have to admit I do hope to make some money, more as an affirmation than anything. I am finding hubpage almost addictive and sure have met some great people here. And as I am insatiably curious the research is a joy to me, but I get so sidetracked. Do you know if there is any groups for newbies like me? It would be fun to learn and support each other as we go. Thanks for this and if you ever get to Vancouver Island I would be happy to buy and your wife lunch.

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      Melissa Propp 4 years ago from Minnesota

      You can stop by MN any time, but I suggest July or August--unless you like snow! Excellent hub and words of wisdom like always. And I'm so jealous, you make a dollar a day?! It takes me a month...ah well, obviously I'm here more for community than a paycheck. Your support, along with lots of other hubbers, is the real payday here at hubpages.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yvonne, we all have visions of money when we sign up, and I think money is still possible, but now I believe it will come as a result of being seen on Hubpages and not from the passive income made there. In the meantime, I am enjoying the people I meet and like you I am becoming a better writer for my efforts. Thank you so much my friend. One day maybe we will meet and that would be greatly enjoyable for me.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Michael! I was denied the apprenticeship program so you are one step ahead of me. :) Good luck with that, and I greatly appreciate you and your visits.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      hlwar, your comment is a common one! I have been fairly lucky while here at HP. Some good people took me under their wing and introduced me to other good people, and it snowballed from there. Another aspect to consider is that my style of writing, and the topics that I write about, appeal to many people. I wouldn't call them evergreen hubs, but they are about topics that everyone can relate to.

      I belong to several writing groups on Facebook, made up of writers from HubPages. They have been invaluable in establishing friendships, and I would be very happy to make you a member of those sites if you are interested. Just drop me an email at holland1145@yahoo.com and give me your Facebook address and I'll sign you up.

      I'll see what else I can do in sharing your work so you get an audience. It's my turn to help others here at HP so let me help you get established. :)

      Thank you for a great comment.

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      Yvonne Spence 4 years ago from UK

      Well, I confess Bill, I did come to HubPages because I thought I could earn money here. For a while it seemed that was beginning to happen, but no more. And I'm still here. I think you are right that people stay because of the community. I probably do, and because the staff have been helpful too.

      I have also found the experience incredibly useful in developing my writing skills. I primarily wrote fiction before starting here, and still love it, but it's great to have moved into non-fiction too.

      Like you I have made so many friends here and would love to meet some Hubbers in person some day.

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      Michael Tully 4 years ago

      Like so many others, I thought I was here for the $$$, but quickly found something worth much more. The community and the opportunities to learn and improve are really what makes this thing tick.

      Thanks for the reminder, Bill. I've been letting apprenticeship program stuff get in the way, and letting my community participation slide a little too much. It's good to be reminded about what's really important.

      Have a great day, amigo.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you vkwok...it's always a pleasure having you visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, one day Bev and I are going to be knocking on your door, and we will laugh and visit as old friends do, and it will all be because of HubPages....and how cool will that be? :) Thank you my dear friend.

      love,

      billy

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, you don't babble...you eloquently state your informed opinion. :) Now, don't take this the wrong way, and don't tell too many people, but I love you Lizzy, and I love our friendship and our bantering and seeing pictures of that adorable child of yours...so you better stick around, you hear?

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      hlwar 4 years ago

      I found this a very interesting read. Mostly because I never thought of HubPages to be such a "community" site. I found this place from an advertisement on Craigslist; although obviously a referral link from a member here looking for more bucks, ultimately I was on the job listings searching for writing work - so I clicked. So to me, yes, HubPages was introduced as a money-making network, a place to write articles (similar to the eHow website) in exchange for a small percentage.

      I find technical writing very daunting. I'm more of a storyteller. But they say to "do what you love" as a career and so I decided to give journalism a go - just to be writing something. I didn't join thinking this was a "writing group" in the community sense but did join for the practice. (O_o;)

      I have tried leaving comments around, and posting in the forums, but have always either been ignored completely, or just gotten the passing "thanks". Not really active friendships, no one wanting to converse with me. This isn't new to me, though, as I've always struggled with making friends, not to mention I have very random and rare interests. All of my personal and review blogs have gone readerless, my Twitter and Facebook is often neglected by my tiny circle of peers, and I've tried maintaining several fandom communties... and every single time it has just been me talking to myself. So admittedly, I decided to give up on the social aspect of the Internet, which seems to be about "ego networks".

      I've been struggling with finding my niche here as far as subject matter goes, so perhaps that is why I haven't made any friends or have a reader base. Honestly, I found a more welcoming and active social network at RedGage - which I use more often because the people have been so nice (but the pay there sucks as well).

      However, your hub is an eye-opener and I understand what you're saying. I realize this place could be a writer's goldmine - not for money, but for HELP. Henceforth I will try to be more active as a person and reader, and not just a struggling, wannabe writer. In that way maybe I will progress further with my writing skills.

      Thanks for a thoughtful hub! d(^_^)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Elizabeth...we need to work at getting you sixty followers. I'll see what I can do later this afternoon. :) Why? Because I like you, that's why. Have a great day...is it snowing?