HealDove Versus Google

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   I am going to be writing an article that fits into this topic. I am undecided where to post it. We know that Google doesn't get along very well with most medical articles that are not on .gov sites. Quite frankly, it is also my understanding that Google pretty much "black listed" HealDove in the past. I really need to know the status of HealDove with Google at this time.
   
   In my opinion, what with HP's editorial policy, HealDove should be a favored site by Google. But my opinion means nothing; it is Google's opinion that makes or breaks a site.
   
   I am sincerely requesting all information, opinions, clues that might shed light on what Google's opinion of HealDove is at this time. If someone wants to say something, but does not want to say it here; an email is not only fine, but would be appreciated.
   
   Best regards to all,
   
   Paradigmsearch

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      TIMETRAVELER2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I have a number of hubs on  Heal Dove.  However, I am very careful to not give medical advice because I think that is where the problem is with Google.
      
      As for where your article goes, you have no control over that.  The team decides which niche to use, not you. So, I wouldn't worry about that part of it.
      
      Health articles often are viewed as YMYL...which means it can be risky to write them.  However, it's worth a shot!

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      Jadelynx-HPposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I have never seen a site that sends editors into it's writers articles to arbitrarily change their work.  I think it is an insult and completely outrageous.  I thought our work belonged to us.  Hub Pages should not have the right to mess with it.

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         theraggededgeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         HubPages owns the platform, they have every right. You are free to publish on your own private domain where you will have full editorial control. ☺

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   I see there are no responses. Sometimes, no news is good news; but I'm beginning to suspect this is not one of those times.
   
   First draft of my article is completed. Just got to find some pretty pictures and proofread it the usual half-dozen times.

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      agvulpesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Well para I have had a look at some of the ads on Healdove and on my end there are some pretty good looking ads from Adsense!  Also Linda Crampton a high earner here has some content on there . Just an opinion for what its worth.
      I say go for it

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   Thanks for the above responses. I am in a quandary, but I do love the HP Ad Program.

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   Well, I picked some HealDove hubs at random; incognito. Some of them did indeed show up on page one of Google. I might add I did it by typing in similar titles, no pasting or in quotes. Not bad. Not bad at all.

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   Still gun shy of the editors. Situation on hold.

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      Jean Bakulaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Will the article be appropriate for Remedy Grove?
      
      Also, I've argued my case when I thought my articles were sometimes on the wrong site, and the team took another look at it and agreed. They are usually pretty fair. Good luck.

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         paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Alas, no. Article has absolutely nothing to do with alternative medicine. Wouldn't want it there anyway.

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   NateB11posted 5 years ago

   I had an article that got significant traffic that's on HealDove, but when the site got slapped by Google awhile back its traffic dropped and still hasn't recovered. So, from what I've seen there hasn't been a recovery.

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      NateB11posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      In fact, I just checked in Analytics and see that that article had 3 times more traffic same time last year.

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   Nate, you reminded me of my biggest fear. And this applies to all network sites, not just HealDove.
   
   The Scenario:
   1. Hub(s) accepted and put on network site.
   2. Hub(s) builds up seniority, lots of inbound links, lots of steady traffic, reliable earnings.
   3. Then an editor kills it.
   
   This has happened to me before. And I've repeatedly seen complaints in the forums about the same thing being done to others. I just now ran the numbers; in my case, I guesstimate that editor has and is costing me somewhere between an extra $400-$500 a year.
   
   I love the HP Ads Program, but I just don't know what to freaking do. If I put the hub on my website, it will earn a lot less; but it will be income I can depend on. Or at least I will only have to worry about Google, instead of having to worry about both Google and the editors; especially since I consider the editors the much bigger threat.

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      NateB11posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I had that happen to an article on a different account here. It got a lot of views, was edited and views dropped, never recovered. I leave it there for now because it is at least making some money. Frustrating though, no doubt about it.

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         paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         My conundrum continues. As all relevant variables stand as to HP and as to my website, no decision can be made. I have to sit and wait until one of those variables changes. I realize this is a big yawn for everyone else, but for me it is a big deal . My decision absolutely, categorically has to be right; I just plain can't afford to make any mistakes.

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   paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

   The article is ready to publish (somewhere), however I am in absolutely no hurry to do so. My subconscious has done me very well in the past; all I have to do is wait and sooner or later it serves me up with the correct decision. Besides, other information affecting that decision may become available in the meantime.

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      Jean Bakulaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Always listen to your gut feelings, they are always right.
      
      I feel bad that you are having this dilemma. Are you sure you don't want to write to the team and talk about it with the editor, or maybe another one? I had to do that with my astrology articles, and in the end we decided on THREE niche sites, Exemplore for the teaching ones, Letterpile, where I wrote fictional stories (but as a means to teach) and some of my metaphysical ones are in the form of book reviews or natural healing. It took time, but the staff was willing to work with me to decide what really belonged where.
      
      Because I often wrote about astrology doesn't mean all my hubs should have been in Exemplore. I am now waiting for dozen of them to be moved to Owlcation, as Greek Myth with references does not belong in Exemplore, it's Humanities. I did my part, and expect them to move all 12.
      
      They should at least be open to hearing what you would be willing to do to get the article back on HealDove in a similar form where it was making you money. It benefits them too.

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         paradigmsearchposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks, but the referenced debacle actually took place on Exemplore. Those hubs have long since been moved elsewhere. Never had a problem with HealDove (or any other network site for that matter)..

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   lobobrandonposted 5 years ago

   PD I have never had a bad experience with an editor as long as I'm not trying to do something against HP policies. If at all, the editor makes a change which I am not happy with, I go ahead and change it back. The threat that it will be removed from the niche site is always there. But from my limited experience, this is never done unless you put in links that have been snipped or amazon products that have been snipped (my hubs never got sent back).
   
   You should be able to explain to the editor or someone on staff why you are doing what you're doing against what the editor thinks you should be doing. Every page on the website functions differently. You are a master of your own page. HP as a business understands that I hope. From my experience, the senior staff get this, not so sure about every editor working for them, though.
   
   Why are you losing up to 500 bucks on a hub? What change did the editor make that you were not happy with? If you don't want to post here you can also send me an email, if you want to.

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    lobobrandonposted 5 years ago

    I offer to help you and my score goes below 90... typical

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    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    lobobrandon, most of my editor experiences have likewise been positive. Unfortunately, it only takes one to really cause a disaster. In my case, it wasn't a hub; it was an interrelated group of  hubs. My guess is HP is still sending out over a 100 404's a day to Pinterest and elsewhere as a result of that incident. I've emotionally gotten over it. But intellectually, the experience will always be a prominent factor in any decisions involving interacting with HP. I want to post the article here. However, there's that old paraphrased saying: " <snipped> me once, shame on you. <snipped> me twice, shame on me."

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       lobobrandonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       I see.

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