Goodbye Alternate Poet

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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
Alternate Poet....I like to refer to him as AP....tells me he won't be posting in the forums anymore.......

Just want to say I'll miss him!.....

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  dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  he will be missed, his counter points and civil discussion kept us more honest. regardless weather you liked him or not. He was a good opponent for discussions. He made you think.
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  Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  really...I put him down on a hub as a person that makes very worthwhile comments on forums
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
It happens.
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Hauntyposted 14 years ago
AP is definitely someone whose posts I enjoyed reading. Hope he stays as china man though.
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  dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  he is posted in a few threads so maybe he will
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china manposted 14 years ago
From AP
Farewell friends and enemies alike :-

I leave you all
Religions hissing vipers heads
a mirror
The beggars ball of drooling right wing fools
a bat
The simple fool a simple dunces hat

To be or not to be, ah, that was the question
tis nobler that I retire this fight
I will still rage, rage, against the dying of the light
good night.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  out out brief candle
  life is but a fleeting shadow
  a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
  and then is heard no more
  
  it is a tale full of sound of fury
  signifying nothing.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amazing how good old Will managed to sum up these forums before even useful electricity was invented, never mind computers and the internet
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is truly amazing. He really got human nature down pat.
  
  I love him...I was in London when they discovered his first theater under a parking lot, was it. anyway, back to alternate poet...
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So was I - when the Globe stumps were found, I was working on surveying and repairing the major bridges nearby at the time.
  
  So - about AP, you didn't like him much then ? I thought he had a nice line in irony and originality going myself
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  errr...there are many boys disagreeing with me here...they are all a blurrrrrr.... I do have favorite sparring partners though. just because they are so easy to disprove. lol.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Sounds like our dear friend the Alternate needs an alternate to the alternate!
So long AP. Happy (non-campaign) trails.
MM
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...i figure he likes art.....

here's a send off present for you AP....hope you get to see it up close....

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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah! The Lady with the earl peering ! I can see it so I guess he can too
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...do you mean you're also AP?....don't be kiddin' around with me.....so you're not gone?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well the cat's out of the bag....was going to cook a nice dinner, with lots of wine...a nice send off dinner....and all that....guess it's not necessary....glad you're stayin'...so i'll just sip on my glass of wine anyway....and relaaaaxxx abit.
  
  ...how's the day in China today....it's Saturday (or should say Sunday)...no work...just play.....so whatcha playin' today....anything interesting?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just chillin' really. We have had a hectic week and poor old Sukie is working all day so I am on my own. I seem to have gained some more work so my 5 year holiday feels like it is over and I have to get on and do some stuff soon.
  
  You enjoy that wine and dinner and I am there in spirit
  
  I have been wound into the travel industry - so if you or anyone wants to come visit good ole China I can arrange that as well now
  
  Nice warm day here, so sitting at this glass fronted box half naked - don't look !
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ha ha...i won't look.....
  
  5 year holiday!?....not bad!...i guess...
  
  so what do you mean 'wound into the travel industry'....?...like an agent?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Promotion for the best Company operating in China at the moment. If your local travel agent mentions me then you are in the right place for the best China experience, second to directly visiting me of course
  
  My main work here is teaching and that is a 16 hour week, hardly enough to register on the work-ometer after a lifetime of 14 hour days and seven day weeks in busienss.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...i'll keep that in mind....so I just say 'china man sent me' LOL! or 'AP sent me'...j/k!....when i'm serious i'll connect.
  
  I still like that 16 hour a week thing tho! if you can afford it, why not.....i'd probably have a hard time with the 16 hours some weeks.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The teaching is pretty easy if you catch oral English, no stretch unless you make it hard. The pay is in the middle class range here - so it is much more than enough to live on and travel in the 3 month holidays.
  
  I am getting more serious about things because we plan to get married soon! a kind of kick start back to reality
  
  What is the charity about that you 'head up' ?
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...i work with really low income families (not just poverty - lots of dysfunction) and mental health and addictions....and as you know poverty in N.A .terms.
  
  thinking about making a change though within the year...i'm an accountant by profession...maybe I'll dive into gov't or private sector....i do like the charitable sector however...just need a change....my job takes me into politics which I like...advocating for changes relevant to the mandate of the org I work for - the people that access the services...i'd miss talking to elected gov't officials etc....if i went into the gov't or private sector...wouldn't be able to do it anymore.
  
  So, when are you getting married?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That dysfunction is pretty rampant isn't it. Makes one think there might be something fundamentally wrong with the way society works
  
  Married maybe two years time, age difference is a bit of a hurdle for acceptance, but we should be able to jump that one with a bit of luck, persuasion and bribery !
  
  Luckily, with her teaching job, Sukie has gone from pink maternal to thinking how to boil and eat children, but a kid will still be the next step after marriage I expect
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you're really serious about teaching you make the effort to build your skills and always improve. Doesn't have to be 'difficult' like a chore, but if you're not challenging yourself something is wrong.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AS you are jumping into the middle of somebody else's conversation you have less idea of what you are talking about then usual. If such a thing were possible
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ignore the trouble maker..... you cannot afford to get banned again.... he is winding you up.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is one of the reasons he was banned before I expect - stalking, harassment, being a general pain in the *ss to so many people, that and posting here under many different guises.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  FYI, unlike soooooomeone we know, I have never posted under any different guise.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just some friendly advice. Don't overreact.
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  raisingmeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't advice usually, at the very least, relevant to what is being discussed???? I guess not when the advice comes from out of left field!
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Joy56posted 14 years ago
Just get married, and have a lovely little china man, or woman..... why wait??????? so Alternate Poet is gone for good, but you are staying around? Does that mean China Man will write poetry, or Alternate Poet is just staying out of forums
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just get married in China is a complex business! Here the family is strong and I get all of them along with the girl. This is both good and bad from my perspective, good because they are lovely and take you in big style. Bad because they operate as a unit and I am only one of a group, good for my soul maybe - but hard when I have been boss all my life
  
  AP is only gone from the forums - and don't worry, china man loves you just the same
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah it does sound a little complicated actually. RUN AWAY!!!!!!!! why is nothing ever straight forward....
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No - I have quit running - I have totally submitted to my new lot in life, being dominated half way around the world by a girl half my age, half my size (exactly) and a heart bigger than I could ever imagine.
  
  Added to that she is prettier than any centrefold ever was and I am definately hooked for life
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh no i did not mean run away from her.... I meant with her, away from the family..... You are such a romantic fool.... In the nicest possible way, where did you meet her?????????
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The family is part of the package - and to be honest I welcome the idea of having a 'family' here in China, balances nicely withthe 'family' in the UK.
  
  At an Interpretation school - out of all the fantastic English speakers she was the only one who also understood what the words really mean. For second language speakers irony, wit and inference are really difficult; she attracted my attention with her looks and attracted my mind when she was the only one there who fell about laughing at my jokes
  
  I am relly lucky that she has such an advanced sense of humour as you would realise if you saw me She says that she loves me because I am a bargain - so big and so cheap !
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  kinda two for the price of one bargain. Love knows no age, if it feels right, it is right.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  " she is prettier than any centrefold ever was"
  
  .......
  
  That seems like sort of an odd 'compliment'
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  she is so beautiful i have seen a picture of her,. are you jeaous of his happiness???????
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why would I be jealous or begrudge someone a healthy happiness?
  
  You don't find that to be an odd 'compliment'?
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not if someone thinks girls in centrefold are beautiful. I never look at girls in centrefold, and apparantly cant understand beauty as men see beauty. i cannot understand why you are being bitchy about the whole thing though, it is not nice at all
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But a "centerfold" is not exactly an example of something of the 'virtuous' beauty type, you know? People look at centerfolds for lurid pleasure but certainly not with admiration or respect. It would be like boasting that one's partner is better at sex than a whore. Well, whores are probably good at sex but that is certainly no compliment. Centerfolds are people who reveal themselves for money. I'm pretty sure most would not appreciate the comparison or the cheap objectification it carries.
  
  Comparison with a model or a film star I could understand, but "centerfold" just seems creepy and disrespectful (I would also say that bringing up the body of someone that one supposedly loves, in such an inappropriately personal and objectifying way is inherently inappropriate, but...).
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree...please click the link it's exactly what you're saying it's hilarious.
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I find your sense of humour very funny.... just don't attack other people what's the point.... You show yourself up. I know what he means, it's a compliment, centrefold girls are good to look at, end of story.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't think your slippery morals are keeping you a little behind the times then. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if you see women as whores there is little I can do about it.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you need to read what I wrote again. I think you missed the point.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you missed the point.
  
  There is a very disturbing and revealing nuance there. Like
  1. Is he a porn addict?
  2. Is the girl a little bit objectified in this scenario
  3. and many many more
  
  but definitely the thought is not...
  
  1. Does he want to marry her and take her to his mom?
  2. Is she his soulmate?
  3. Is she someone who would save his soul for the devil?
  
  or definitely not...
  
  "With a chaste heart
  With pure eyes I celebrate your beauty
  Holding the leash of blood
  So that it might leap out and trace your outline
  Where you lie down in my Ode
  As in a land of forests or in surf
  In aromatic loam, or in sea music
  
  Beautiful nude
  Equally beautiful your feet
  Arched by primeval tap of wind or sound
  Your ears, small shells
  Of the splendid American sea
  Your breasts of level plentitude
  Fulfilled by living light
  Your flying eyelids of wheat
  Revealing or enclosing
  The two deep countries of your eyes
  
  The line your shoulders have divided into pale regions
  Loses itself and blends into the compact halves of an apple
  Continues separating your beauty down into two columns of
  Burnished gold
  Fine alabaster
  To sink into the two grapes of your feet
  Where your twin symmetrical tree burns again and rises
  Flowering fire
  Open chandelier
  A swelling fruit
  Over the pact of sea and earth
  
  From what materials
  Agate?
  Quartz?
  Wheat?
  Did your body come together?
  Swelling like baking bread to signal silvered hills
  The cleavage of one petal
  Sweet fruits of a deep velvet
  Until alone remained
  Astonished
  The fine and firm feminine form
  
  It is not only light that falls over the world spreading inside your body
  Yet suffocate itself
  So much is clarity
  Taking its leave of you
  As if you were on fire within
  
  The moon lives in the lining of your skin"
  
  Notice...there is no centerfold in this poetry...but it's talking about a nude!
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree - it is describing in words exactly what we see in a centrefold - your reading of all this comes from a feminist place that has been shown to be little more than overzealous penis envy, in my view.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  dear me, you are not under attack.
  
  We see a nuance that we find disturbing. You see it is as perfectly normal.
  
  Perhaps you have not fallen in love with someone so you can't relate. But I don't know what you understand by penis envy or feminism. Clearly, you have a ballpark understanding as well.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ballpark ? generalised would be more appropriate in this context maybe.
  
  I am constantly under 'attack' by the troll, and by fundamentalists. I often read your posts and enjoy the unusual level of actual references that you draw on in your argument and even occasionally agree with you. Freud's observations about human nature and what we see in words works both ways - I see no issue, you do - it says something about both of us I think.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ballpark.
  
  Penis Envy and Feminism is when you claim to be as good as a man, which is not what I was doing.
  
  lol...you have a ballpark understanding of penis envy and feminism.
  
  Generalized would mean you suggested that all women who want to be respected have penis envy. I don't think you're that base nor narrow.
  
  It is more generous me for to think you confused your definitions.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That level of Freudian simplicity has long since been discredited.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol...*wipes tear*
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cecil hits the nail on the head!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A little bit, like the bench mark is a playboy centerfold.
  
  So either that is a compliment or a degradation.
  
  But then, many boys fall in love with their first centerfold, so it may be an actual honor to be called such.
  
  I personally would rather be compared to an angel, a supermodel, a movie star or a goddess...but centerfold is too much like the song of FLight of the conchords:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK … r_embedded
  
  no offense but yeah...definitely strange description.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But your descriptions are so 'old hat' and a little prudish if you don't mind me saying so. Women may not like it so much but then not many bear comparison I suppose. Most normal people have shed their inhibitions about these things much the same as the attitude to the nudes that the old masters were so fond of.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Prudish? No...even hookers want to be compared to a movie star not a high class prostitute.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Prudish yes - You are going too far with your description of 'centrefold' as a high class prostitute. In fact you are going too far in the whole of your analysis of a simple comment made to someone else in the course of a conversation.
  
  It is just life that one of the benchmarks of beauty was once considered to be nude art in the form of painting, now it is more explicit and no less beautiful for it.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ever heard of freud, china man?
  
  the choices of words reveal the nature of the psyche.
  if you think being objectifying women is okay, that's fine but to Sab Oh, who probably has a different perspective on love it is not. I am just validating his observation...I found it a little bit odd too.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I understand what you were trying to say, but it strikes me as a very disrespectful and disturbing 'compliment' to say the least.
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you were talking to me, and i understand exactly what you mean, god, i never knew men could be so bitchy... is Sab a man, he says he's barely human?????????
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That means I'm a man!
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sab is a troll. He attached himself to me the first day I joined Hubpages and now that he is back from wherever he has been banished he has immediately attached himself to me again. I will assume it is envy
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your compliments to yourself also seem rather odd...
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sab Oh and I have had disagreements but troll he is not. He is however observant of linguistic nuances.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh he definately is a troll - well known for it here and in many other forums.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are too kind
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you were talking to yourself?
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! I was talking to you. This forum format is not optimal.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh...I use the chronological.
  
  yes, i am too kind. I would be more brutal if I was talking to Q.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  " Women may not like it so much"
  
  But the person you were supposedly 'complimenting' is a woman, right?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is conventional behaviour to compare a girls beauty with something - wouldl you prefer I compare her to a summers day ? a little old hat don't you think in this modern enlightened age.
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...bribery might work!....and guess it's good for Sukie to get a look at things from another angle.....

...the dysfunction is generational many times....kids that were placed in foster homes...now adults/teens raising children...not all of them have risen above what life dealt them as kids...it's tough for some...they just never were given a break or never found the courage to rise above their environment...and became a product of it...that's just one example btw.....it's amazing what some people have experienced and how they struggle and some rise above and fly......

...some would consider my take on things as 'leant leaning' - remember him ....but...there are some people that just need a hand up....we're not all strong, or smart or whatever....
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I remember him !
  
  It is amazing how some people rise above the worst things and others go under. Complex critters aint we?
  
  I have found 'giving a hand up' to turn into 'bites the hand' more times than not Take care of yourself - but don't stop doing it ! It is just the hard part of the deal.
  
  You must be near the bottom of that bottle I guess?
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...nite AP!...gonna hit the sack...up really, really early tomorrow...going hunting!...i'll post some pics from a mountain top tomorrow nite.

...now put some clothes on wuldya....Sukie's comin' home!...she'll wonder what you've been up to....dishes need to be done...laundry is piling up...let the cat in....and where's lunch/dinner?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  not for hours yet
  
  Night - pleasant dreams.
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Joy56posted 14 years ago
Hi China Man, just read you were banned as Alternate Poet, that explains a lot.... I don't believe it.....
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Pearldiverposted 14 years ago
Oh AP.... It's just like camping! Or perhaps consider it like darning Don't let it rip the sole out of ya!

You have friends here... so you're a lucky sock!
Hell no one wanted to talk to my shoes.. even though I put them in the middle of the dinner table
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  there must be a hidden messae there somewhere..... i am not understanding.... hi Pearldiver, nice to see ya
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no worries here mate ! AP has been banned off and on many times, this is just the last and final
  
  Only an Aussie would put their boots on the table mate ! here in China we leave 'em at the door.
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
But AP was so much better looking than China Man! Who did you piss off now!
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A christian of course But the lovely moderators were very kind about it all and offered me the choice of keeping one or the other. I think that they love me secretly
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  Joy56posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  EVERYBODY LOVES BOTH OF YOU. EVEN THE CHRISTIANS.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I figured as much! There's never a hungry lion around when you need one! You mean you actually know what the moderators look like?
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thirdmilleniumposted 14 years ago
But why?
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
For those too lazy to check out the link. Here's a clip of the lyrics:

"You're so beautiful
like a...tree
or a high class prostitute
(you're so beautiful)
You could be a part time model
but you'll probably still have to keep your normal job
(a part time model)
spendin part of your time modelin..
and part of your time next to me.
My place is usually tidier than this."
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that - I can't get Youtube here.
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pisean282311posted 14 years ago
what , why? AP is a value addition to forums..He must keep expressing his views...
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
err as opposed to precise, china man.
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...hmmmm.............hi AP....
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning SOH - how has your day been so far ?
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good...i was hunting today..........it was a great day...i'll post some pics....didn't get a deer...only ones in sight were on the roads....next weekend....i'm going out again!
  
  but....i see this thread went into a direction that was really too bad.....poor you.....
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't fret about it - just someone on a wombstick working in tandem with a troll - maybe they were just alone on a sunday with nobody else to talk at.
  
  Yes - lets see the pics, one of the few things I miss are the big empty almost wide spaces to walk in.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yea...too bad.....
  
  one more to upload to photobucket....i'll be back.....
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sweetie, we can't all agree with your sentiments. Yes, especially if they're a little controversial.
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
a couple of bears...not a good pic...but...

part way up the mountain...clear cut...going up forest logging road...

logging road we were driving on...

...water rushing off the mountain....lots of heavy rain today

came across a herd of Elk at about 7:30 a.m. ....on our way to the mountain we were going to drive up...

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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice - slightly blurred pics work fine, they sharpen up with a bit of imagination and a working memory
  
  Nice place to be, lucky you !
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...it was a great day....yea...some of the pics are through the windshield ...sometimes there is just no time to get it set up right.......it's gone in a flash.....and lots of rain, fog and a bit of hail doesn't help either......
  
  I posted some others on the good morning thread last Sun/Mon....I was up in the same area.
  
  Next weekend, I'll post one of me 'locked and loaded'....just for fun ....I'm usually just taking pictures..........
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I pretty much gave up trying to get 'wild' shots, apart from the very occasional lucky break it can take so long waiting for the right moment it spoils the walk
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  anyway later....it was long day...was up way too early....lots of fresh air and all that...
  
  hey...you should post some pics of China....I'd love to see that....will ya? will ya?......
  
  ....get that laundry done before Sukie gets home wuldya?
  
  it was great chatting again!
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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