I just deleted a secondary account that was making 2k amonth

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  1. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    Im going through and fixing up my sunforged account because, well it has my name on it.

    but any time I discovered a niche I wanted to test out that I didnt want to be possibly copied, I would publish on a secondary account.

    For fun I will point out that it was getting less than 10k views a month smile

    So dont think that you need big numbers to make good returns. You only need to get the right traffic, fulfill your readers questions and provide them with the appropriate answers via careful product selection.

    A little neuromarketing influenced image selection and phrasing doesnt hurt either

    i just copy and pasted all the content to a brand new wordpress install, installed platinum seo and set the site to "noindex" , in a week or so, Ill check to see if google is still picking up the old deleted content, if it isnt, turn off no-index and a nice new niche site is born.

    Ill keep that extra potential 200/weekly for myself now, thanks hubs!

    What are you guys doing with your profitable "non-compliant" content?

    Im wondering how much all the content being pulled was worth!

    All together I think, im pulling about 1k amonth from the HP end.

    1. kshankin profile image60
      kshankinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      All in all congratulations on your success!  I can't wait to start making that kind of money myself. Since I'm just getting started though, I can't exactly comment on whether or not moving the page to a new location is good.

      Why exactly would publishing to a secondary account keep your content from being copied? Is it because your primary is so highly ranked?

    2. tritrain profile image69
      tritrainposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A secondary account to avoid people copying...

      that's a good idea!

      What shall I call my other account?

  2. frogdropping profile image80
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    You'll be facing the firing squad sf - some of our hubber colleagues are a little disgruntled over deletions and hub removals smile

    I have deleted a couple, early ones, added nothing to HP and didn't gain any regular traffic. Moved a few onto one of my sites but they came from a different account.

    I'm undecided about some. They don't earn me anything here (nothing to do with the algo, they never were making anything) and I'm musing on regrouping them on a site I've had for ages that may well be the better home for them.

    They were well written and researched and my site ranks for related terms.

    Some of my Amazon stuff is likely to go as it doesn't work well here (since the shake up) and if I can redeploy hubs and receive a better retrun, moved they will be.

    Anyway, like many right now I have enough on my plate trying to stem the negative flow and get my own sites sorted. I'll get round to the deciding and doing in due course.

  3. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    Well, Im pretty disgruntled about having to remove content also!

    I will add that my content that was removed was only commercial, I doubt anyone ever linked to it. I published it as a test was pleasantly surprised so added stuff here and there.

    In most situations its probably better to edit and keep your established link juice here at HP

    It only made good money because it was very niche and had very well researched information in an expensive product niche .. the content was only made for hubs, I didnt link to any other places and I hadnt spent much time trying to promote it. It was just puttering along doing its thing and was upset by its email saying it need to change. So it did change smile It changed homes.

    I want a clean hub hopper before HP tries to wave its little edit flag in my direction. A frog should understand the need for a clean hopper I imagine.

    1. frogdropping profile image80
      frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You imagine correctly. However the cart horse has well and trully bolted on that one.

      Re deleting/removing content. That is the right of the owner. Why should anyone be expected to leave something on-site, to appease 'whoever', and lose out on its full potential? That's like saying 'I like the fact you're stood there looking pretty, it pleases me. So what if your inactivity doesn't pay the bills? I'm alright jack.'

  4. CMHypno profile image86
    CMHypnoposted 12 years ago

    Happy house move Sunforged! At the end of the day every hubber has to make their own decisions about their content, and what the best home for it is, so don't worry about what anyone else has to say (sure you won't anyway! smile)

    Hope your new niche site is successful and that you maintain your earnings.

    I haven't deleted of moved any hubs, but that's probably because I am a creature of habit! LOL

  5. Sufidreamer profile image80
    Sufidreamerposted 12 years ago

    Agreed - I have a few Hubs that I may reassign to other places, although they are largely portfolio items rather than moneymakers.

    It is more of a spring clean - my HP profile is too unwieldy and mixed, and I really don't want potential clients to see some of the crap that appears in the Related Hubs/Forums sidebars smile

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      ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That forum sidebar has to go.

      I am a fan of the related hubs box, as it drives me traffic, but the forum sidebar and the questions stuff is awful.

      1. profile image0
        ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I also see no business sense in driving potential converting traffic to non-monetized pages, on Hubpages part.

        It should be completely the opposite, driving traffic from the forum to monetized pages, by having a related hubs widget at the side of every forum thread (these index of course).

        The same with the questions section, don't drive traffic from Hubpages TO the questions section, drive traffic from the questions section to peoples Hubpages.

        Anybody else think that doing it any other way is skewered logic?

        1. sunforged profile image74
          sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I think it reveals that Hubpages considers "authors" and "potential writers" to be its real market.

          Front Page branding and prioritized placement of community aspects are in place to attract the writers that develop content and then also become pageviews to sell to their 3rd party advertisers.

          If you have ever read through the media kit - http://hubpages.com/about/advertise   they essentially call Hubbers captive audience and sell the community as ad viewers

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            ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If I can maintain a $10 rate on HubAd and the HubAd impressions stay as they are at current then they can sell it as whatever they bleeding want lol

            If only every impression was a HubAd impression, I would be booking a month in Maritius tomorrow, but about 60% are HubAd impressions, so instead I'm just keeping the lights on.

            1. sunforged profile image74
              sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              10cpm in hp ad is great - i think i only broke that once.

              I just turned off hpads for the week to see what the difference is.

              Prior to the algoflop my AS cpm was usually a few bucks higher than even that - and its not odd to get $3-7 ind clicks - so figured some testing was in order.

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                ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Let me know the results.

                Well, I don't NEED to know them really, I know that my HubAds + AdSense earnings are currently about equal to my pre-algo AdSense earnings.

                So as things stand I have basically lost 70% of my Amazon earnings as a result of the Algo, everything else is unchanged.

                This month I have sought to diversify, I have made a whopping $150 from new revenue streams in March hmm

                Feels like I am starting out all over again, but that $150 start may be more promising than I think. I doubt I would have made $150 in the first month of stuff like this when I started out on Hubpages... in fact it was three or four months before I made $150 in a single month on here with two revenue streams.

                I am not looking forward to Panda global. I can tell people that UK traffic is much more lucrative than many may think, probably equal in click value to US when it comes to AdSense at least, especially if it is a popular keyword with UK shoved at the end.

                That $150 doesn't include Excerptz of course, which has finally started seeing some revenue, I should take $150 from that next month.

                I also discovered that Chitika is actually pretty good, that's a program which works with high traffic. But I have made most of that $150 with Kindle Direct.

      2. Pandoras Box profile image60
        Pandoras Boxposted 12 years agoin reply to this


  6. Mutiny92 profile image64
    Mutiny92posted 12 years ago

    wow!  Good luck!  Cross your fingers that your wordpress site gains traction quickly!

  7. Bill Manning profile image60
    Bill Manningposted 12 years ago

    Personally I see no reason to make articles on Hubpages that are very niche-specific.

    That is because those types of articles will rank very high on their own website.

    Buy the name "pinkcathairribbons.com", throw 10 articles about pink cat hair ribbons in the site and it's going to rank #1 in all search engines in two months. smile

    1. sunforged profile image74
      sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That would be the hope.

      But there is a distinction between the competition for pink cat hair ribbons and the multi-thousand dollar items I was promoting

      1. profile image0
        ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        And what items are they?


        1. sunforged profile image74
          sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          vintage motorcycle carburetors

          eskimo scrimshaw

          and early americana political posters

          - oh I didnt read the last part

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            ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this


            Although there may be something in that early americana political posters niche, you never know wink

            (off to check out market samurai)

  8. profile image0
    ryankettposted 12 years ago

    "What are you guys doing with your profitable "non-compliant" content?"

    To be honest I didn't have much which was non-compliant. I am building outwards instead of moving sideways.

    In other words, I'm concentrating on building up new portfolios of content, forgetting about the old.

    Yesterday I broke the $10 CPM barrier on HubAd. I am seeing $6-9 CPM on most days.

    For now my content is making me enough money to stay precisely where it is, I am looking at new niches for micro-sites.

    The reason being that most of my Hubpages niches have been copied to death anyway, my slice of the pie has already been depleted.

    I'll keep my smaller slice, and look for bigger slices elsewhere smile

  9. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    there is something to all of the above smile

    Im a long time ebay seller, I know my collectible markets - I know my collectible markets far better than MS could ever show in its little ninja ways

    1. frogdropping profile image80
      frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The MS ninja's are broken, to a degree. Time they started to limber up.

  10. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    I think Chitika is absolute garbage

    If your getting the traffic to make chitika seem desirable then its time to spend some time examining all the third party networks and hand selecting your offers. Im not surprised to get $25,50, 100 commissions at a time .. still makes me smile - but really catch all networks like adsense/chitika are the bush leagues

    1. Misha profile image62
      Mishaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I use chitika through yieldbild, and several times a month it gives really nice spikes. And no, there is no way I can put products on the pages I am talking about, they are not designed for it smile

      1. sunforged profile image74
        sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        We differ there also.

        I pulled YB off my test sites because they often displayed wrongly formatted ads that didnt fit the slot and slowed down overall site load.

        I do better doing my own selection and positioning than YB does with its algo/pattern analysis.

        It must depend very much on the site style. YB is probably great for a big site if you dont have time to really optimize well for yourself.

        I might just suck at chitika smile - but space you give to a click based ad will always perform better if you have the time and data to do your own network selection.

        Are you very active in traditional aff marketing or CPA ? - the payout difference is quite significant

        But you both work on the opposite style of traffic/income as me.

        1. Misha profile image62
          Mishaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          As you correctly noticed, it's just a different style of making money. I did try other means of monetizing there, and it appears that adsense and the likes work way better for the kind of traffic I am talking here. In fact chitika did not work there at all until they introduced "select", which is very close to adsense. smile

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      ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am talking about Excerptz though, people are entitled to use affiliate links, but I don't take a slice in the revenue from those.

      There are 3 AdSense text+image units plus 3 AdSense link units on each page, I take 20% of impressions from those units.

      In addition I have one Chitika ad on each of those pages, which I currently take 100% from.

      My Chitika revenues from that one ad unit are more than holding their own, in fact they are better than the revenues from 5 of the 6 AdSense units. Albeit my ad placement could be much better, the theme is restrictive.

      I could of course put some sort of Amazon widget in the sidebar, but that would take the biscuit. If people are producing an article which promotes another article, which itself is selling a giant green thingymebob from Amazon, then I cannot undermine that my displaying an Amazon widget which presents a giantgreenthingymebob.

      So for that particular model, I was a little restricted when it came to advertising.

  11. skyfire profile image83
    skyfireposted 12 years ago

    Chitika is good for US/CA traffic, but not for europe traffic.

  12. Michael Willis profile image67
    Michael Willisposted 12 years ago

    Going back to the comment Ryankett made about a related hub widget in the forum threads...(if I understood him correctly)...I believe that could help with all the threads started to ask questions on how to resolve issues hubbers are having here. Such as;
    -how do I add adsense...display a "related hub widget" on sidebar,
    -which videos can I add...a "related hub widget" on sidebar,
    -is this allowed" and a "related hub widget" on sidebar

    Of course there is the FAQ and Learning Center, but maybe a "related hub widget"  might make it easier to find answers.

  13. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    its just being careful. My primary account isnt highly ranked actually - its all test content, old trends and im how tos - nothing worth copying anymore actually

    I only publish obvious stuff on my sunforged account, its no great secret that ipads were hot, or the avatar was going to be popular or that "gifts" sell well at christmas.

    but, for a good, non competitive, well paying term, I like to hide it away in some dark little hole where only searchers will find.

    If I watched closely, It always seemed like the same couple of publishers would have similar hubs soon after I published a new hub, no matter how diverse the topics and even when I intentionally published a few silly topics that were intended just to see if copycats came about.

    Could have been all in my head, but I stopped publishing anything I thought was a "guaranteed success" on this account and now just use it for fun, hub/im how to's and fishing for search strings. So nuts to you copycat swine! ...lol

    btw - when I did discover that few identities were def copycatting me, I reverse engineered their link profiles and paid an outsourcer to write competitive content for everything I could find on them and did my best to crush them unmercifully.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image59
      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, you have indeed been forged darkly!  Sounds like fun, sortof!smile

      1. sunforged profile image74
        sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        It was a silly move on my part.

        Waste of money and time and since I never said - hey,it was me that crushed all your sites that you basically stole the ideas from me anyway ... I never even got that satisfaction.

        I wouldnt waste the time anymore if I noticed again, plus I dont have anything worth copying left sad

        1. Randy Godwin profile image59
          Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, but I'll bet it was a bit satisfying at the time.  At least better than doing nothing at all.  smile

    2. Pandoras Box profile image60
      Pandoras Boxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's your own fault for courting too many flakes.

      1. sunforged profile image74
        sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        well - as I implied, there was never anything worth copying - the latest technology and entertainment news etc. is hardly secret knowledge and I even could expect many publishers to be riding the same waves - its only when I deviated from those topics to very different ones and STILL saw the same publishers appearing with brand new similar hubs that red flags were raised.

        Plus, ive always been active and vocal in online methodology - Ive never been one to talk earnings. <--- Sunforged doesnt make 2k a month

        This is probably the first time, and its only after the content mentioned has been removed. I also dont feel that the earnings were well earned, more like a lucky find.

        Im doing the hard work in that niche now developing solid sites - as its extremely boring and 100% product based, there is no joy in the writing, i enjoy site design but thats only the first couple of weeks. (at most)

        1. profile image0
          ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I have seen this happen too.

          You can safely expect a dozen hubs about a popular iPad accessory, but you don't expect a hub about pink hard hats to appear 3 months after your hub about pink hard hats.

          Which is funny really, because I wrote that hubpage to test the water, it was then that I realised that my golden niches are kept away from Hubpages, and away from Hubpages they have been for some time now.

          I had dozens of people publishing hubs full of quotes after using them as a decoy, that was hilarious, I still laugh about that.

  14. Richieb799 profile image66
    Richieb799posted 12 years ago

    Did I misunderstand the title? you are deleting an account that earns $2000 a month or 2K in traffic?

    1. sunforged profile image74
      sunforgedposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      $ - but that was the average monthly over the past 6 months - there was a drastic decline this month, of course - but that was msotly made up for a few days back with a big sale.

      Deleting FROM hubs as they wanted me edit good performing content with long page views and excellent information - not deleting from existence. The potential extra 40% is worth the wait to get reindexed and ranked.

      ..kind of a, Ill take my ball and play elsewhere type of move smile

      ..you have to keep in mind that I work fulltime from home at this type of thing and live in the US in the highest taxed state in the nation.

      2k just covers the rent for a 3 bedroom apartment in my hometown..(which is why I dont live in my hometown) A full time employee at McDonalds probably brings in about 1.2k/monthly around here. As you travel more south towards NYC -it wouldnt be surprising to see a full time fast food worker clearing 1.5-1.6k monthly

  15. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    still doable - you have your hands full, but a well configured ad server / category slots and such can easily handle that situation.

    most of the major networks have internal adserver options (channels) which in turn can be used on your adserver or adrotater plugin - the combination of all of the above can create a pretty diverse catalog of options

    1. profile image0
      ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's stuff to think about for the future, if I achieve a certain amount of impressions then I will see what I can do with the traffic.

      Ultimately though it is the users who have seen it reach touching distance of the Alexa top 200,000.... and it will be them who drive it further too... with the exception of some standard stuff that I have to do e.g. submit sitemaps.

      For that reason, I would want users to be able to share in all of the revenue sources. If Chitika continues working, I will ad another Chitika ad block and start revenue sharing that too.

      The only thing that I am going to hog is that 468x60 ad at the top, because of the way that the theme is configured. I am limited when it comes to revenue sharing, although I can revenue share Amazon.


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