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Hubpages Income - The Real Story

Updated on December 3, 2012
Hubpages Income
Hubpages Income

Hubpages Income

Hubpages is one of the best places to come and write on the internet without outlying any of your own money.

It's free to join Hubpages today.

You have the opportunity to make money by sending traffic to your hubs and sharing the potential ad revenue with Hubpages. This happens in one of two ways; Google Adsense or the Hubpages Adprogram. It's important to remember that you will still need a Google Adsense account to participate in either potential income stream.


How You Earn Money on Hubpages

1. You monetize your hubs with Google Adsense.

You split the ad impressions with Hubpages 60/40. This means that sixty percent of the time the page will load your Google Adsense code and the other forty percent of the time Hubpages will display their ad code. This doesn't mean you'll get sixty percent of the income. It's almost impossible to tell what percent of the income you will get as Hubpages don't disclose their earnings from individual hubbers.

However, you only get income when someone clicks on your ad code. It doesn't matter how many times your pages are viewed as it's all about clicks and click values. Of course, more page views increases the chances of someone clicking.

There's no way to tell how much you will earn each month from Adsense or from account to account. It's down to what you've written about, how many clicks you get and the values of those clicks. That can vary significantly from month to month.


2. You monetize your hubs with the Hubpages Ad Program.

This means all the ads on the page, bar one, shows Hubpages ad code. They then decide what to pay you on a "cost per mille" basis, otherwise known as CPM. Basically you get paid a certain value per thousand impressions. You don't get paid the CPM on total views. Instead, the CPM only applies to sixty percent of your total page views. (This will be made clearer in this article later when we use actual figures to show you exactly what this means.)

CPM values vary from account to account and day to day as Hubpages decides what your CPM will be for each day you participate on the Hubpages Adprogram. It's not very transparent and there's little to no way to know how Hubpages calculates your CPM. Remember you are not paid for clicks on any of these ads. All the clicks are credited to Hubpages one hundred percent of the time.

You are only paid for clicks on a single ad unit located at the very bottom of the page, underneath the comments on the right. Again this ad is split 60/40 with Hubpages. If you are on the Adprogram then the income from this ad unit is unlikely to add significantly to your bottom line as the reader has to scroll past at least four other ads before they get to the one you are paid directly for.


Write About Anything You Want (within reason)

As mentioned above, it's virtually impossible to say with any kind of certainty how many views you would need to make XXX amount a month from activating Google Adsense on your hubs. For this reason, we can only do this accurately with hubbers who chose to implement the Hubpages Adprogram.

When people first hear of Hubpages they wonder if it's a scam or fake or some kind of dodgy deal. They can't believe that someone will pay them to write articles about whatever they want to write about. It doesn't matter if it's about belly button fluff, as long as it's written well and hasn't been copied from elsewhere on the internet. Although why you'd copy an article about belly fluff is a little bizarre, but I have seen stranger things... Anyway, you can get paid for writing articles, but before you rush out and think it's going to make you rich please think again.


How Many Page Views Do You Need to Make a Decent Income on Hubpages?

The purpose of this article is to give new and potential hubbers a reality check, so they aren't disappointed down the line after writing numerous articles and wondering why they are no closer to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

In order to calculate how many views you need to make a decent income on hubpages there are a few maths skills we need to implement. I have made the maths as simple as possible. A lot of hubbers struggle understanding how their income is calculated or even what they have to do to achieve a decent income level. Hopefully, by the end of this article, you'll know exactly what goals and targets you need to make a decent level of income from Hubpages.

The first step is understanding your CPM. You can find this in your Earnings Report. CPM's seem to fluctuate between $1 and $7, according to what people have said in various threads in the forum and in the questions and answers section. It's hard to specify exactly what the range is as you are not supposed to share your CPM value. You can lose your Google Adsense account for this and also Hubpages tends to delete these kinds of comments very quickly.

Are You Towards the Lower, Middle or Higher End of the CPM scale?

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So if your CPM is let's say $2 (just to make the figures really easy) then for every 1,000 impressions you'd receive $2. For 2,000 impressions you'd receive $4. However, if your CPM was $5 then for every 1,000 impressions you'd receive $5. For 2,000 impressions you'd receive $10. This shows you how important the CPM value and the number of impressions are in determining your income and success on Hubpages.

It's important to understand the difference between total views and total impressions. Total views are how many times your hubs have been viewed. Impressions are how many times your ad code was shown on the page, which is sixty percent of the time. So if you need 1,000 impressions to make $2 then you actually need 1666.66667 views (1,000/0.60 = 1666.66667)

If you want to make $1,000 a month from Hubpages then the table below will help you to set traffic targets so you know what to aim for. If we assume that every month has 30 days it will make the calculations easier, we just have to figure out how to make $34 a day ($1,000/30 = 33.3)

Daily Hubpages Income Goal
CPM
Daily Impressions Needed
Daily Views Needed
$33.30
$2
16650
27750
$33.30
$3
11100
18500
$33.30
$4
8325
13875
$33.30
$5
6660
11100
$33.30
$6
5550
9250
$33.30
$7
4757
7929
$33.30/CPM x 1000/0.6 = views needed. $33.30/CPM x 1000 = impressions needed.

Yes you read that right. If your CPM is $2 then you need over 27,750 daily views to your hubs to make $33.30 a day, in order to make $1,000 a month. However, if your CPM is $7 then you only need 7929 views to make the same amount of money. That's almost a difference of twenty thousand views! This drives home the point about how important the CPM is in determining your success rate on Hubpages.

If you extrapolate this data out and show how many views you need a week, a month or a year, the differences become staggering. It becomes even clearer the task that lies ahead for hubbers with low CPM values.

Monthly Hubpages Income Goal
CPM
Monthly Impressions Needed
Monthly Views Needed
$1000
$2
499500
832500
$1000
$3
333000
555000
$1000
$4
249750
416250
$1000
$5
199800
333000
$1000
$6
166500
277500
$1000
$7
142710
237870
Take figures from previous table and times by 30 (days in a month).
Yearly HubPages Income Goal
CPM
Yearly Impressions Needed
Yearly Views Needed
$12000
$2
6 million
9.9 million
$12000
$3
4 million
6.7 million
$12000
$4
3 million
5 million
$12000
$5
2.4 million
4 million
$12000
$6
2 million
3.3 million
$12000
$7
1.7 million
2.9 million
Take figures in previous table and times by 12 (months in the year).

Is it Possible to Earn a Decent Income on Hubpages?

Well I guess by now you should have your answer on whether it's possible to earn a decent income on Hubpages with the Hubpages Adprogram.

$12,000 a year may seem a lot for writing online, but for a normal full time job this would not be a lot of money. Is it likely that you'd make this kind of money from Hubpages within your first year? It's highly unlikely as my poll shows on my Hubpages experiment for 2012. Most hubbers struggle to get their first paycheck, let alone $1,000 a month consistently.

Most hubbers don't get anywhere near these type of traffic figures, and if they do it's over a span of years.

Although this hub doesn't go into how many hubs would be required to sustain these levels of traffic, it's understandable that more than a handful would be required. If I take one of the most successful hubs I have written that averages around 500 views a day then that would be approximately 180,000 views a year. On this basis I would need less than 100 hubs. Unfortunately, it's more realistic that most hubs I have written average less than 100 views a day. Some only get a handful a month if I am lucky.

If I average out the number of views I currently have (which is 670,000) against the number of hubs I have (86), then on average each hub gets 7,800 views a year (670,000/86 = 7,800. You can figure out the average on your own account so you can get accurate figures for yourself and know how many hubs you'll need on average). If we use my average hub views as an example, then we can roughly calculate how many hubs I'd need to write to meet the yearly traffic target.

Writing hubs that bring in thousands of views is part luck and part strategy or experimentation. Not every hub you write is going to hit the traffic jackpot. In fact, the majority of them will be slow burners that take a while to reach their peak traffic stream. Some will wither and die and never see a decent stream of foot traffic.

CPM
Yearly Views Needed
Number of Hubs Needed
$2
9.9 million
1269
$3
6.7 million
858
$4
5 million
641
$5
4 million
512
$6
3.3 million
423
$7
2.9 million
371
Yearly views divided by average views per hub (7,800).

From the table above, I'd have to write at least 3 hubs a day in order to get anywhere close to achieving $1,000 a month from Hubpages.

If you have a high CPM on Hubpages then your chances of reaching a decent level of income are drastically improved.

It's important to note this is just a rough figure based on my average. I should mention that people who have high CPM's tend to write in certain areas or niches and this can result in higher advertizing revenue or income potential tends, but also tends to lead to increased competition. So it could be that those with higher CPM's may not average as much traffic per article. Each account will again differ on the basis of keywords chosen to target etc.

In an ideal word, we'd like to find niches or topics that have high traffic, low competition and high CPM's.

After reading this hub, you should have a better understanding of what's achievable on Hubpages and also the kind of goals you'll have to set and achieve in order to make the income you desire.

Good luck and let us know how you get on!

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      Shaloo Walia 2 months ago

      Very informative!

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      passionatelearnr 19 months ago

      wowww.valuable information.now i can figure out how much hubs i need to make decent amount of money.

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      Shaloo Walia 20 months ago

      A well-researched hub!

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      Nikki D. Felder 2 years ago from Castle Hayne, N.C.

      Great knowledge shared about CPM. NEVER paid it much attention before!

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      Nhung Nguyen 2 years ago from Vietnam

      Thank you for this fantastic article !

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      Tran Thanh Lam 2 years ago from Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam

      Thank you very much, very useful and inspiring to me

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      Nicu 2 years ago from Oradea, Romania

      It's great to make $5 at every 1000 views, but at first I have to make 1000 views/ day, and then wait.

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      Sara Brown 2 years ago from Independence, Missouri

      Good info. Very enlightening.

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      Nadine May 2 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Thank you for that excellent article. I never knew how we earned money if it was not for clicks. When I signed up for Hub pages I was looking for a way to promote and market our books, including my own. I then never knew you could get paid for article writing. I'm now just a year with Hubpages and I leaned more about writing than ever before. I've sold my novels due to hubpages and made made friends who I value more than what I might get paid in the years to come.

      I thought that updating our posts and linking them through blogs,websites and other means might make a difference over the years, but writing a hub every day I will never manage.

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      Lauryallan 2 years ago

      @athulnair - You're welcome. If you test it out it would be great to know how it worked out for you!

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      athulnair 2 years ago from India

      @Lauryallan thanks for the info..

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      Lauryallan 2 years ago

      @athulnair - that's something you have to test for yourself... There's no way to say which way works better categorically across all accounts. I have found that the HubpPages Ad Program works better for me as I get a lot more views than clicks but your account might be different.

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      athulnair 2 years ago from India

      So you mean to say google ads pay based on clicks and hubpage adprogram based on views? Is it better to opt only for hubpage adprogram?

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      Lauryallan 2 years ago

      @AaronBurton - lol this hub does not get that many visitors at all each day.

      I suppose 3 hubs a day would be your work... plus you still need to choose the right things to write about, promote those hubs in order to get traffic and to rank in google (to continue getting regular traffic).

      Although I concentrated on info topics where there was little to no buyer intent, I'd think if you did reviews of specific products that are sold on Amazon you would increase your chances of making sales or do top 10 or top 5 lists in a certain category of products. Help people solve their problems...

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      Blackspaniel1 2 years ago

      I am learnring, and this helps.

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      Mary Norton 2 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      You made me understand things that used to be just puzzles to me and I have just ignored. You have also clearly outlined with your tables the impact of traffic. You have just refined my goals for me. Thank you.

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      Aaron Burton 2 years ago from US

      I bet this hub gets like 1k views per day haha, but good insight. 3 hubs a day is pretty reasonable if you don't work. Could knock those out in the mornings. I wonder how people are making money with Amazon affiliate on here. Do you do hubs around product niches? That's still a mystery to me.

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      Celticep 2 years ago

      great info for newbies trying to get their heads round this, thanks

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      David Stone 3 years ago from New York City

      Thanks for putting all this together. It's helpful.

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      BarbaraCasey 3 years ago

      Excellent info for a Squid learning Hub. I think I'd better accelerate my blog portfolio.

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      June Campbell 3 years ago from North Vancouver, BC, Canada

      I have to read this again for. It to all sink in. Making money does seem to be a daunting task. Many thanks for this hub.

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      Shinichi Mine 3 years ago from Tokyo, Japan

      Thank you for the very informative article.

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      Marie 3 years ago

      Thank you for the very detailed rundown and explanations. It was very eye opening to read.

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      Monica Lobenstein 3 years ago from Western Wisconsin

      Inch by inch, I'm beginning to understand monetizing hubs more and more. It's complicated, but worth understanding, and I appreciate the information on this page. Thanks!

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      Susan300 3 years ago

      Thank you for taking the time to write up such a clear and detailed explanation!

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      Nancy Tate Hellams 3 years ago from Pendleton, SC

      I sure have a lot to learn and will be returning this page, many times. Thank you

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      Diana Burrell-Shipton 3 years ago from Hubbard, Ohio, USA

      Thank you !

      I've voted this up and am "following" you now :)

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      Peggy Hazelwood 3 years ago from Desert Southwest, U.S.A.

      Thank you for this detailed look at earning here at HubPages. I'll be curious to see how my seasoned lenses do here.

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      @seanspage to have that kind of income on hubpages would be great, but in my experience it would be extremely difficult and take a really long time (probably years). On the other hand, I've found that it's a lot easier to make that kind of income with your own site as you keep more of the income and costs are a lot less than people imagine.

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      Sean H 3 years ago from USA

      I've gotten extremely curious about the possibility of having a decent flow of income from Hubpages, and this article managed to satisfy this curiosity without a gap of knowledge. At first, I thought having an income of even $2000 a month was possible... but after seeing the values that you have posted and the values that I have recently found out through my acceptance into the AdSense program, I realized how "impossible" it is. Thanks for the enlightenment, Lauryallan.

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      @eno14287 - thx for your nice comment! Really glad it helped you!

      Trust me, WordPress is the way to go. It's not complicated. I know it sounds it but if I can do it so can you. Message me if you need some help and I'll see what I can do for you.

      I think most of us are trying to make ends meet or at least have some kind of return for the time we spend making content etc.

      And in terms of Hubpages hiring me. I think pigs would fly before that ever happened. I like to make things super simple so it's so much easier to understand. Companies could do that too, but then things would be so obvious that most people "would see the light" before becoming involved....

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      Catherine Giordano 3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      Valerie p Dais Thanks for the info on Amazon affiliate and AdSense. I think I will have to do some more research

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      eno1428 3 years ago

      Pretty amazing information, I'd only just signed with Squidoo (nothing published but pending) with the vision of being paid for my efforts. With the knowledge that nothing comes for 'FREE', profit sharing I thought was a fare trade. However, after reading your HUB, it's pretty clear that things are not that clear with HP. It's pretty obvious HP is a nice little money spinner for the owner/s...I have no problem with that...what I do have a problem with, is that it took a person like (yourself) to spell it out for people like me. Like sweet, not everyone on HP or other similar sites are here to make money, but just enjoy sharing. When things get cloudy or things are not disclosed to the end user, sorry but that's dodgy in my book, so for that reason I'll be going back to 'Blogger' till I find other sites to use. Yes I've heard of 'Word Press' but that sounds a bit complicated haa I'm a simple guy really just looking to supplement my income on-line, put food on the proverbial table. Many thanks for the information, your commitment to detail and the way you've written it so easy to understand, HP should put you on their payroll...awsum job...PEACE...

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      John Hollywood 3 years ago from Hollywood, CA

      Very informative hub and one that really held my interest. Thanks for offering this vital information for Hubbers!

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      On Squidoo you could use your own amazon affiliate code, or you could use Squidoo's Amazon code. However, Squidoo is closing so it's not really relevant....

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      Your welcome! Thx for letting me know it was useful for you.

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      Yeah Valerie I can understand that as I was also a writer of lenses on Squidoo. However, this lens is more about the advertizing revenue potential from the Hubpages ad program versus just the adsense option. Affiliate sales such as amazon etc were not discussed in detail. Also, with the changes Hp have made to the site, it's getting harder and harder to make the kinds of income you did on Squidoo from Amazon specifically on here.

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      Valerie Proctor Davis 3 years ago from Birmingham, Alabama

      Catherine, I used text links to insert my Amazon affiliate code. I sold enough to get 6-7% instead of the 4.5% I would have with the Squidoo Amazon modules.

      HP lets you insert your Amazon code in the dashboard, and then you're automatically using your own link in the HP capsules. The only thing I don't know is whether you can still do that with Adsense turned on.

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      Catherine Giordano 3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      Valerie, what does that mean "I used my own account for amazon sales?"

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      Jen V 3 years ago

      Awesome hub! I'll definitely be referring back to it from time to time. Thanks for the information! Believe me it's much appreciated!

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      Valerie Proctor Davis 3 years ago from Birmingham, Alabama

      On my Squidoo articles, my income was usually about half from the advertising revenues and half from Amazon sales (I used my own account). So it's possible to make a good deal more than this, though of course Amazon sales are impossible to predict for somebody else.

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      Lauryallan 3 years ago

      @CatherineGiodano - I don't believe you can see the CPM for individual hubs (not that I'm aware) but you can find it for your account overall... as that's how HP shows what they have decided to pay you. So it's under earnings then earnings report. You then have to select Ad Program from the drop down list and it will show you the CPM for each day.

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      Catherine Giordano 3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      Where do I find he CPM number for a hub?

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      Treasures By Brenda 3 years ago from Canada

      Wow, that's a complicated equation...thanks for writing this.

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      Catherine Giordano 3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      I just started. I earned one penny my first day with one hub and 17 views. I'll try a few more hubs and see how it all works out.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Lauryallan...It was very considerate and generous of your time Laury, to write this extremely informative hub explaining in such clear detail how our online income is determined.

      Coming in to HP, I knew so very little and I have hustled to learn the ropes. I'm still far from being as knowledgeable as you, for instance, but thanks to people like you, willing to educate, I can keep learning.

      UP+++

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      Tori Canonge 3 years ago from California

      Thanks so much for sharing this! I like to see data on these things sometimes, so having the tables laid out before me was extremely helpful. I am new to this site but have written for several others and always wondered how these things worked.

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      Virginia Kearney 3 years ago from United States

      I just looked at my earnings--Ironically, I made $33.47 yesterday with about 11,000 views (I get more on weekdays because of the topics I write on). I don't usually pay attention to CPM but I think mine is around $6 most of the time, so that would tie in very well with your calculations. I also noticed that I'm now just a 3 commentator ( was up to 8 at one point) but that is because I generally spend all my time writing Hubs and not doing other things on the site.

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      Virginia Kearney 3 years ago from United States

      Interesting Hub--this follows pretty closely to my own experience. The one thing I think you need to add is time. I've been on HubPages almost 3 years and have just over 2.5 million views with about 300 Hubs. I expect to make about $8,000 this year, maybe more., mostly through HubPages earnings with a bit from Google AdSense and more from Amazon. I have a couple of article groupings which seem to have filled a niche market and which are evergreen, so I think this will be pretty stable. I was also writing copy for Interact Media for a while and could make about $400 a month with that. However, I finally decided that HubPages was a better long term income. I have another "real" job too and a family, so I am focusing on writing for HubPages. I think that if a person keeps on writing, and treats this as a business, writing more of what seems to get traffic, then they can earn money. If you just want to write what you like, you probably won't. My favorite Hub topics are not getting much traffic.

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      Sangam Krishnamoorthy Ramamoorthy 3 years ago from India

      Every one on internet wants to make money though their efforts. Me too. Ad Sense is a great income generation source. But what I could see from this hub information, it is hard to get substantial income on any platform. Of course 'Rome is not built in one day'

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      Joe Young 3 years ago from Blyth, Northumberland, England

      A very useful and informative hub. No rose-tinted glasses here, just stark reality - and I thank you for it.

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      The Examiner-1 3 years ago

      Lauryallen,

      This was very interesting. I had never paid attention to CPM because I did not know what it meant, now I will have to pay more attention to it. I see that it takes a lot to make $33-34 but even the HP minimum per mo. is fine with me. I have both HP ads & AdSense and I have learned that I make more with HP. You keep up with your experiments.

      Kevin

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @sunilkunnoth2012 - It really depends what your goals are with HP. This is my personal experience which hopefully will give you an idea of the work/patience and dedication required to make it into some kind of income. At the end of the day if it was really easy then everyone would be doing it and there would be no opportunities for people to join as it would completely saturated.

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      Sunil Kumar Kunnoth 4 years ago from Calicut (Kozhikode, South India)

      Helpful but your statistics makes me frightened. I don't have this much patience and energy. I have very limited time too to spare for all these great tasks. Anyhow finding pleasure with my average going. Thank you for educating us with some convincing data.

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      Missy 4 years ago from London

      A great eye-opening piece! thanks, voted up!

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      Melissa Flagg OSC 4 years ago from Rural Central Florida

      Wow, this really puts things in perspective. I'm lucky to make pay out every month, but it looks like if I try writing more, it may be more lucrative. Hubpages is definitely passive income, but its well worth it if you put the time in. A lot of time....

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      FlourishAnyway 4 years ago from USA

      Informative with great data for an example. Voted up.

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      John David 4 years ago from Middle America

      Thank you for the great hub. It puts every thing here into perspective. I, as with all of you love writing and expressing one's self through these means. Whether opinion pieces or factual. It truly is the most original way of doing so. Plus, do not forget to enjoy yourselves..

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      prasetio30 4 years ago from malang-indonesia

      Very inspiring hub. I got new motivation after reading this hub. I believe that we can achieve the goal you mentioned above with hard work. Thanks for sharing with us. Voted up :-)

      Prasetio

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      wabash annie 4 years ago from Colorado Front Range

      I just saw this hub today and found it very interesting and helpful. I started writing hubs about a year ago and am still learning. Thanks much!

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      Joanne M Olivieri 4 years ago

      Very, very helpful and full of detailed information. Thanks so much for sharing this. As a newbie, this is a learning experience.

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      KawikaChann 4 years ago from Northwest, Hawaii, Anykine place

      yes, very informative. I like the honesty. But if you're in it for the money, get a part time job. If you're in because you love to write, hey how 'bout a little money for coffee. lol . Peace. Kawi.

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      Heidi Thorne 4 years ago from Chicago Area

      Probably the best advice I've seen about monetizing the HubPages experience yet! Will definitely be referring to it again. Vote up & shared!

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Lauryallan,

      A very well explained hub on what can be double dutch to new and existing hubbers. Your simplified examples are easy to comprehend and takes some of the mystery out of earning and the importance of CPM. Thanks for this, I learnt some really useful tips and pointers. Voted Up, Useful, Interesting and Shared.

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      Kevin Peter 4 years ago from Global Citizen

      Hi Lauryallan

      You have explained each point in a very simple manner. Easy for beginners to know more about hubpages. Excellent hub.

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      MountainManJake 4 years ago from Seattle

      What an amazing hub. I love people who use real numbers. It makes it so realistic and relative. Great hub! Voted up.

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      Helen Lush 4 years ago from Cardiff, Wales, UK

      Thanks Lauryallan - extremely informative writing - this is a major eye-opener for me, as quite a new member. I never hoped for Hubpages to do more than add a bit to my income as a painter but this makes that seem like a pipe dream! I too would like to see an updated list of recent success stories...Have voted up, useful and interesting.

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      Linda0011 4 years ago

      Hi guys , nice informative and encouraging post , thanks for u r article

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @sallybea - best of luck and I hope you are successful in what you want to do.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      I for one would love to see an updated list of 2013 success stories. Seems I need to do some research on Long Tail Keywords!

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @sallybea - yeah transparency is what is most difficult when you first start on Hubpages and other revenue sharing sites like it. Without it most writers continue to make the same mistakes and go round in circles, with no clear direction off how to get off the wheel of doom they are on.

      Yeah you can make your own luck. However, when it comes to writing I meant more along the lines of luck that your content stays at the top of Google and isn't knocked off by some new update, because they suddenly decide they don't like it or that HP disappears etc. All factors that are mainly outwith your control.

      In terms of effort and skill it's hard to make a full time income. The only way I can see it you would have to write on a regular schedule, or hire someone else. It would have to be evergreen content, otherwise you lose out on the compounding effect of each hubs traffic building upon the previous hubs etc. When you write about fads etc you may get a lot of traffic to begin with but then it dies off, very likely never to return. Lower competition levels would be best so more long tail keywords giving you a better chance of getting ranked in the top 3 of Google. But again this still leaves you open to building a decent income only to come on one day and find out it's all gone, like what happened to the success stories in 2012. HP made a lot of changes to the site, paired with Google updates and many successful hubbers saw their income and traffic fall by over 80%. Call me cynical but it could also be why HP removed the traffic graphs from the success stories but left up the outdated text. Would you sign up to write for a site where it's evident the most successful people are no longer earning? What chance would a newbie have to reach those dizzying heights or make a proper income?

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      Thanks Lauryallan, Transparency certainly enables people and helps to give them a greater understanding of what is required to become successful on Hubpages.

      I think you are right, it definitely takes a lot of time, effort and skill to get it right. Some would say you make your own luck, the jury is out on that one.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @sallybea - Thx I'm glad you get it! It took me a while to figure it out and then even longer to think how I could explain it to someone else clearly. That's when I thought it would be better to show rather than tell and so used charts/tables.

      In terms of your second point, the chart gives you an idea of what you gotta do to make the income you want to make. It really depends on how much time/effort/skill and a little luck too comes together to ensure you hit your targets. But I think you'd have to approach it as a full time job rather than a hobby etc....

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      davidkaluge 4 years ago

      I have a google account but my problem is how to link it to my hubs.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 4 years ago from Norfolk

      This has been the best explanation of how earning money on Hubpages really works. I now understand what my CPM means and thanks to you, can actually check mine against a chart! Nevertheless I can't help wondering whether the effort one puts into Hubpages will ever result in anything much more than pocket money twice a year. Thanks for a really excellent explanation. Voted up.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      Thank you, glad you found it useful.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      Hey Barbara - I just read your article now. Good article.

      Yeah that's one of the frustrating things about writing for a site like this. You really have no idea for the most part where an article will end up in Google. Sometimes they love Hubpages and sometimes they give you a kick in the shins.

      However, at the same time if every article written here came up #1 on Google everyone would be writing on here. Could you imagine the competition on here!

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @prasadjain - Thank you for your comment but my hub wasn't about how to get traffic etc. it was purely for hubbers to understand the task ahead of them in terms of the sheer amount of traffic they are likely to need to make an actual income on HP.

      I know you said I could add one more thing... but that one more thing is a huge topic in and of itself.

      When you say you have less income per day than what I suggest, I have no idea what you mean by that? Do you mean your CPM is lower, or are you saying you get a lot less views, or are you saying your average income per hub is less? Everyone's income is going to be different. Everyone's average per hub is also going to be different which is why I explained that's my average and showed you the maths I used so you could figure out your own average.

      I know when I started out I was dying to find out what people'e averages were, how many views I really needed to make this writing online thing viable or if it was even a viable business/income possibility. Now you have an average you can compare yourself against and see if you're doing better or worse than someone else.

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      stephanieb27 4 years ago from United States

      Very informative, thanks for sharing!! :)

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      Dr.S.P.PADMA PRASAD 4 years ago from Tumkur

      Useful hub. But it seems you need to mention about one more important point.That is- submitting our hub URLs to search engines. I did not know of that for a long time- more than a year of starting my hubbing. Then a co hubber told me how to do that. Then I started submitting my hubs to SEs.There are certain tricks about that also. After doing thaat, I got more traffic.But even now, I have much less income per day than what you suggest. The reason may be that, I am not after popular topics. I neither take pains to search for key words.But these are all to be done, if one wants to earn a livelihood by online writing.

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      Barbara Badder 4 years ago from USA

      I wrote a hub about how to earn $1000 a month. According to your figures, it still comes out the same for me. I need to write a lot more hubs than I have. Too bad all the articles we write don't come up as #1 in Google.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      Who knows you might find someone making money in that niche lol

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      Mary 4 years ago from From the land of Chocolate Chips,and all other things sweet.

      Great hub, voted up and shared. The sad part is after reading this, I almost want to Google belly button fluff. LOL!!!!

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      Johnpaolo-Jpm 4 years ago

      oh.. I thought so, thank you. well iv'e been trying to have one but I can't verify my old google account so now I am trying to create a new one instead.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      do you mean Google adsense? If that's what you mean you have to apply to get a Google adsense account. Just google google adsense and the details should come up. I'm sorry it was so long ago and I already had adsense before I wrote for Hubpages...

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      Johnpaolo-Jpm 4 years ago

      oh, sorry If i did not specify, anyway it is the ad code that you mentioned above. by the way thank you for the reply :)

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      What codes? I don't understand what you are asking...

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      Johnpaolo-Jpm 4 years ago

      hello, Im a new member of the community, Im just asking about those code how can i get one?

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      MomsTreasureChest 4 years ago

      Reality check! Thanks for spelling it all out so clearly, great hub! I especially liked being able to see the charts, they really put the facts and figures into perspective. Voted Up

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      HubPages has changed so much over the last year or so that nothing can be relied upon anymore. Don't expect a straight answer from the staff minions--as you know if you read their comments on the forums. This used to be an honest site until they hired some "spinners" about a year or go and now you can't believe anything they say anymore. Sad but true. Sorry, I don't like it either, but there it is.

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      Marlene Bertrand 4 years ago from Northern California, USA

      This is a very informative hub. Thanks for keeping it real. Your stats show that, while there is no way to guarantee any amount of income with certainty, it is possible to make $1,000 per month, assuming we get the right amount of traffic.

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      Sherry Hewins 4 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

      Thanks for spelling it out so clearly. Now I don't feel so bad about not cranking out the hubs lately. I really need to look at HubPages as a hobby, and not as potential income.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Lauryallan,

      Great informative hub with really interesting stats you have worked out for us! Thanks very much for doing that, it is difficult to get your head around all the facts and figures. Earning online here is a slow process but as a new writer I have been expecting it. Yes it would be great to earn $1ooo a month here but realistic, not for awhile that's for sure. Many thanks again, Vu, useful, Interesting and pinned!

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      Graham Lee 4 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Lauryallan. Thank you for this hub so full of helpful content. I shall save it for reference.

      Voted up and all / Following.

      Graham.

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      vinayak1000 4 years ago from Minneapolis

      Interesting Hub. A nice reality check for experienced beginners like me on HubPages. Voted Up and Useful.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      No problem. I was there once too and answers weren't always easy to come by. It was like panning for gold and sifting through muck to get to why things were/weren't working. I know how frustrating that can be in the beginning when all you want to do is get off the start line and make some kind of progress.

      Offer is always open. I really don't mind helping. I don't know everything but have learned a lot in the last few years.

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      Brian Leekley 4 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Thanks much, Laury, for your helpful critique and kind offer.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      @ B Leekley - "At least at HubPages, a hub keeps making income for the author long after it is published." With the idle hub thing that's no longer true. Although some would say it was never true as they've never managed to get their hubs to make money in the first place. Also this doesn't work for things that are fashionable or in other words not evergreen. Even if you had written something that was evergreen and was on the first page of google there's no guarantee it will stay there.!

      HP is really a numbers game. If you only want to write a few hubs then they are going to have to be on really high traffic topics to get any kind of decent income. The CPM tables above highlight why this is the case.

      In your case, the topics you are writing about just aren't popular enough to get you the kind of income you are probably looking for. So you'd have to write more to achieve it or write about something else completely.

      Also writing hubs that are broken down into parts doesn't really work. It only works if they are in a series that explains something else in the niche. That way they rank individually and get traffic in.

      An example would be if you wrote about grammar rules. You could write grammar rules - part 1, part 2 etc. However that's very general and you won't rank. If you made it a grammar series and interlinked the content and made the first hub about apostraphe's, then the next one about comma's, the next about semi-colon's and colon's etc and interlinked them that would work better. Not telling you to write about grammar, just using it as an example.

      You can message me if you want to discuss further like I mentioned to Mr Archer.

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      Brian Leekley 4 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Follow-up to my earlier comment: The Jane Fonda 1969 movie THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY? was one of the most depressing movies ever. It's about a dance marathon contest at a town in the USA during the Depression. In hopes of getting the prize of $100 (or $1,000 or whatever the amount), the contestants dance for most of the hours of every day for weeks in a small city dance hall. It's very grueling, and most contestants soon give up. Management uses gimmicks to keep up enthusiasm and hope. When one contestant dies of a heart attack on the dance floor, his partner keeps dancing with the body for the brief time remaining till a break is allowed. Another contestant has a nervous breakdown. Finally, the winners are the last couple still standing. Then they find out that the management is subtracting a big chunk of money for a long list of goods and services from their prize money, leaving almost nothing.

      Of course the Depression was long ago, before our time, and has naught to do with hubbing.

      I've been actively writing hubs for circa 15 months and, working several hours per day, I am at 30-some hubs, and I still have negligible traffic, am still making only $2 or $3 per month, and am still far from my first payout. I use the Google Keyword Tool; I choose evergreen topics; I write articles within the recommended length of 500 to 1500 words; I write related hubs that I can group; I jazz up my hubs with photos, videos, polls, quizzes, tables, links, etc.; I include a summary; I keep my capsules short; I write reasonably well -- all to no avail. I am a slow writer, so I thought my lack of traffic and income was due to my having written half or less the number of hubs that most hubbers write in the same amount of time. But a commenter above reports still no traffic or income after 70 hubs. You gave an excellent critique of his hubs, but even so, his experience has added to my feeling of discouragement. My novel isn't selling. Job hunting achieves nothing. Hubbing achieves nothing.

      Not having other options, I'll keep trying.

      I tried Demand Studios, but each of the few articles I wrote took me days to write instead of the expected hour or two, with most of that time being research. At least at HubPages, a hub keeps making income for the author long after it is published.

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      Lauryallan 4 years ago

      Yeah I began writing on other sites and make more there than I do on HP now. I started writing on squidoo and it's really different over there. There seems more of a community over there and when the site changes things people are pretty vocal about what they like/don't like and I have seen action taken to alleviate members concerns. Not saying it's perfect. It's very different from HP and takes some getting used to.

      I've only been there for about 2 months but am enjoying learning to make lenses. It takes longer to get paid as the tier payments are 2/3 months behind. However, it is easier to sell things on there as affiliate links are easier to use and amazon modules are bigger, more prominent and you can use more.

      Once I get comfortable making lenses then I'll try wizzley, zujava, seekyt, infobarell and a few others. I want to make sure I'm not relying on one stream of income. It's too dangerous to do that.

      I also want to have a limited number of websites to run. I'm hoping to make authority websites that help people in areas I know about.

      Since we've already established that I am an honest person I want long term businesses that people will want to visit. No scams, spam or just link through schemes. So it's gonna take time to set up and make work, but it's another challenge I look forward to.