Pre-education for children into school and writers into HubPages?

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   Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago

   We are seeing some standardization of HP. It looks to being doing quite well. Even wild crazy eyed rebels like me can standardize our publications to do better. But that is nearly exactly like our pre-school children. They need to be set up to go to school.
   
   It seems to me that both HP and Kindergartens need to take a little higher interest in pre-education.
   
   Otherwise what we get are writers and little students that are brilliant yet cannot shine because they cannot conform enough.
   
   That could be considered backwards. Perhaps Kindergartens and HP need to conform to the individual.
   
   I think this is worthy of discussion. I certainly hope that our HP defenders club can hold it to a minimum and address the "Pre" issue rather than defend out of knee jerk reactions.
   
   What say you? I am not settled on these issues.

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      gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, we the HubPages Community love you but the diatribe against HubPages........ AGAIN?  This contentious issue continues ad infinitum.  When will IT CEASE?

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think you may have some ideas worth looking into, Eric, but perhaps they are ideas that you yourself can explore. Maybe, you can try setting up a website for writers who share your ideas? I say that because Hubpages staff have their own agendas and ideas on how to run this site.
      
      Give it a shot, you may have something that could be successful.

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         Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think I would refer them to Artistry with Words by our own Bill Holland

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   MarieAlana1posted 11 years ago

   This is just something. What truly gets a kindergartener to shine is not conformity, but the ability to stand out. Why would we want standardization when it comes to writing? Don't you want to stand out as well?

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I have a niece who put her children through an education process where numbers and letters were not taught in sequence only in words and ideas. They read great and have no stress. Interesting isn't it?

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   HP has some brilliant writers! But when you talk of conformity and standardization, I presume you do not understand the complexities of writing on the world wide web.
   There is a certain conformity there, because Google and the other search engines are robots.
   In order for anyone's web writings to be read, they have to be found by searchers, and in order to be found by searchers, their writings must be of a certain conformity.
   Basically, you get great writers who do not conform and so do not get found by potential readers.
   You get crap writers who conform and do get readership. The best of both worlds is be both a great writer and conform so that the search engines can find your brilliant work and share it with the world.
   None of this is HP's doing by the way. they are a business like any other online.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What am I missing here. Didn't I just compliment HP? We are seeing some standardization of HP. It looks to being doing quite well. Even wild crazy eyed rebels like me can standardize our publications to do better. But that is nearly exactly like our pre-school children. They need to be set up to go to school.

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         IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Did you compliment HP? Where? I missed that.
         
         HP are forcing some common-sense rules onto writers, if that is what you mean by standardization. You won't get away with 150 words of nonsensical garbage anymore. You now have to write a lot more words, and includes graphics and other elements that show the readers that you are trying to convey a message. The end result should mean a pleasant reading experience for the reader.
         
         Quite what this has to do with pre-school children, I don't know.

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            Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Should I report your total insults? I do not think I normally would but you are so off the topic that this is clearly just an attack on me.
            I do believe that some can explore options and some are like the products of US ed we describe here.
            I am so sorry that I have offended you. Please do not have me banned.

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      gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      +1,000,000,000,000 in agreement.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Not sure what you're suggesting - that one must go through the AP before publishing their first hub?
   
   Whatever requirements you set, you will lose a great many writers because of it, and some of those will be good/great writers.  Better, it seems to me, to let anyone write, but refuse to publish as necessary.  What is being done now, in other words.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Great stuff to think about and incorporate into the discussion.
      I  do not not quite get why you preface with "not sure". It seems like a bail out whimpy intro to discussion. Which does not jive with your style. So is it an insult to me -- suggesting I am not clear and you are clear headed.
      I do not get your style here.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         There are problems with a kindergarten here.  Not only the primary one I already gave, but the continual changes from google, HP, advertisers and everyone else in the world. 
         
         Any training will need to be repeated every few months - something obviously not possible on a mass scale. 
         
         So if you really are suggesting a required training program before publishing, well, I just can't imagine HP taking that route.  Not to any significant degree at least - a single screen of requirements might not be out of line.  700 words, attributed photos, no pixelation, no copying even your own work - that sort of thing. 
         
         Can't imagine a HP kindergarten, can't imagine you thinking they would.  You've been here long enough to appreciate the problems, from hurt feelings to lost hubbers to financial costs involved in such a project.

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            Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            True that my friend.
            I think an on line tutorial for all newbies would be in order. Make it or break it concept screening. Perhaps we could get rid of other problems.
            
            It does not hurt us to meet minimum requirements like of education system.

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               MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Most of the education needed to pass HP's standards is a grasp of the English language. It's not HP's responsibility to provide this.
               
               I can send you links to some of the places I get my daughter's reading worksheets if you think it would help.

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                  gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Good evening, Melissa, notice this is a rehashing of the HP diatribic scenario?   What is the OP's contention with HubPages?  I am tired, I am currently writing my 381st hub, stopping right now to get some sleep.  Nice to hear from you again Melissa and have a Blessed Night.

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                     Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Why must it be a contention instead of an analysis to help all concerned. Education and writing must co-exist. Or perhaps you think questioning and analysis are wrongful if directed toward a corporation you admire? What does 381st hubs have to do with anything here. Help me to understand your attack on me, please.

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                        Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Two things. 
                        
                        You don't need to understand her attack on you.  Rather, the need appears to be to unserstand what is and is not an attack.  I try not to take everything personally, and have found that in doing so, very little of what is said IS actually of a personal nature-provided that I see it from some sort of objective point of view.
                        
                        Next-if you don't want to be attacked personally or get engaged on these topics by other hubbers, stop posting the same complaints and analysis in this public forum.  If your problem is with HP, take it up with HP in a safe and private setting. 
                        
                        Hoping you find peace, Eric.
                        
                        

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                           Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Love and hugs Motown --- Try as I might I could only find an insulting connotation for "diatribic" "diatribe". And especially when the forum post was not long at all.

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                     fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Melissa,  This is so helpful of you.  I will appreciate those links.  Hopefully, there is some clarification on the actual meaning of, "nearly exactly."  I think we can agree with the OP's comment to wilderness, "Perhaps we could get rid of other problems."  It's apparent so many have tried.
                     I'm with g.m.....need to get some sleep.  I have an early morning class, to teach my 3rd. year Psyche students....."The Role of Paranoia in Borderline Personality Disorder."  Peace, my sister.

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                  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  It would always help to have more understanding. HP has no responsibility at all, you are correct. Does that make them better? Personally I have no concept of no responsibility. That must be something I just do not get. No responsibility?? I have to ponder that.
                  Please send the links here as I am working on it and love the prospect of learning and "providing" more.
                  I must say Melissa you have peaked my interest. Enterprises that do not have a responsibility to provide standards. I guess that makes sense. But for forty five years or so I have sought to meet industry standards and I would not have a clue about them if industry was not providing them.
                  
                  So thank you very much that is much food for thought. Seems like community has a role.

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               wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               There already IS an online tutorial - it's called the "learning center".  Anyone that wants to can study it and learn what HP wants; anyone that doesn't care can write anyway, whereupon their work may be accepted or may not.  Think of the first half dozen hubs as a graduation exam; if you did your homework in the LC you'll pass, if not you may flunk.

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                  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  And like you suggested earlier --- go back to the LC every two weeks.
                  Most professions have "continuing education" requirements if licensed.
                  Interesting note thank you.

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                     wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     It's that "continuing ed." that bothers me - it isn't yearly like most jobs, it's daily!

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