Interview with Billy the Kid

I have wanted to interview Billy the Kid ever since billybuc began to write his stunning stories about his namesake. But the genuine Billy was impossible to locate. Now, finally – good news! I found Billy the Kid!

With the use of my supernatural, aluminum-foil-enhanced ability to interview deceased, departed celebrities, as well as demised, defunct animals, here is what I have learned.

me – How do you do, Billy, thank you for agreeing to this interview.

Billy – No problem. It’s nice to know someone is interested.

me – Billy the Kid has become a legend and yet there is so much conflicting evidence about his too short life.

Billy – I’ll do my best to help you relate the true story.

me – Thank you. First question: birthplace and date of birth?

Billy – New York city on November 23, 1859.

me – What is your earliest memory of the Big Apple?

Billy – The big what?

me – You know, New York City?

Billy – That term is not familiar. Billy never used it.

me – Why do you refer to yourself as Billy … in the third person?

Billy – The third what?

me – You know … using the name, Billy … instead of the first person: I or me?

Billy – I have never been one to brag so the ‘third person,’ as you describe it, is much more comfortable. Do you mind?

me – No problem. Describing Billy in the third person is fine with me. What was your … sorry, I forgot … What was Billy’s real name?

Billy – Billy’s real name was William Henry McCarty, Jr. His mother, Catherine McCarty, divorced and remarried a man named William Antrim. Now there were two Williams in the family, so his mom started calling him Henry.

His younger brother, Joseph, may have been a half-brother.

me – Why did the family move west?

Billy – For his mother's health. Kansas was the first stop, then Colorado and finally, Silver City in New Mexico.

Billy’s step-dad spent most of his time gambling and prospecting … in that order. His mother took in boarders and sold homemade pies to earn money for the family.

me – What was he like as he grew up?

Billy – As a teenager, Billy grew to about five foot eight with a slender build and the innocent look of a school boy. Girls were attracted to him because he was charming and polite, often joking and laughing and easygoing. His friends called him ‘The Kid.’

His only imperfection was two front teeth that slightly protruded. But he wasn’t a baaad kid – just mischievous.

me – I know his mother died from tuberculosis when he was a teenager. Did his stepdad take responsibility for the two boys?

Billy – No, his step-dad moved to Arizona and left the boys to fend for themselves. Billy and his brother were separated and bounced from one foster family to another. At the age of 14, he worked for a short time washing dishes and waiting tables in a restaurant.

The manager was so impressed by Billy that he boasted he was the only kid who ever worked for him that didn't steal anything. Unfortunately, the Kid soon fell in with the wrong crowd.

me – What happened?

Billy – One of his buddies, an older kid named Sombrero Jack, stole some clothing from a Chinese laundryman named Ole Olsen and asked the Kid to hide the clothing for him.

me – You knew I would have to ask … a Chinese dry cleaner named Ole Olsen?

Billy – Yeah. The Chinese guy was standing in line at Ellis Island when he came to the U.S. behind a fellow from Sweden named Ole Olsen. When the customs inspector asked his name, he said, ‘Sam Ting.’

That’s when he became Ole Olsen.

me – You’re kidding!

Billy – Yeah. Baaad joke, right? Anyway the Kid got caught and the County Sheriff put him in jail for a couple of days to scare him.

me – That seems like a drastic penalty for a first offense – hiding stolen clothing.

Billy – I think the Sheriff just wanted to teach him a lesson but the Kid was never the same again. He escaped from the jail by a Santa Claus technique.

me – Which was …?

Billy – The Kid climbed up the chimney. Then he stole a horse and rode away. Now he was a fugitive.

me – Where did the Kid go next?

Billy – He found his stepdad in Clifton, Arizona, who wanted nothing to do with him. The Kid found work as an itinerant ranch hand and met a horse thief, John Mackie, who taught him the tricks of the trade.

The two were successful at first but after some close calls, arrest and escaping from custody, the Kid decided it would be wise to look for another occupation.

me - The Kid seems to be exceptionally resourceful.

Billy – You ain’t heard nothing yet. The Kid rounded up some stolen Army horses and returned them to clear himself. At the age of 16, he was hired as a civilian teamster at the Camp Grant Army Post.

me – So now the Kid has his act together?

Billy – For the moment. The camp blacksmith, Frank Cahill, enjoyed bullying him and one day after an argument threw him down on the ground and began slapping him in the face. The Kid retaliated by drawing his gun and shooting Cahill who died the next day.

The Kid was put in the guardhouse to await the arrival of the local marshal. Before he arrived, the Kid had escaped.

Now the Kid is a genuine outlaw facing murder charges who can’t find honest work.

me – What did he do?

Billy – He left Arizona and returned to New Mexico where me met another outlaw named Jesse Evans who was the leader of a gang of rustlers and gunfighters called ‘The Boys.’ The Kid joined the gang since it would have been suicide to remain alone in such a lawless territory.

The Boys worked for a prominent rancher in Lincoln County named James Dolan who was involved in a feud with a competitor – another rancher and banker named John Tunstall. The Boys began stealing Tunstall’s cattle. Eventually the Kid was caught and put in jail.

me – Not an auspicious turn of events for the Kid.

Billy – Actually, it was. Tunstall noticed that the Kid wasn’t a rough and tumble sort – a baaad guy – like the other rustlers – just a teenager looking for a place to belong.

So Tunstall gave him an ultimatum: if he testified against the other rustlers, Tunstall would hire him as a ranch hand. The older man was impressed with the Kid. So impressed that he was quoted as saying: “That’s the finest lad I ever met. I’m going to make a man out of that boy yet.”

me – Sounds like the Kid’s life may now become more normal.

Billy – The Kid accepted Tunstall’s offer and changed his name to William H. Bonney. Tunstall’s plans for the Kid were never realized. In 1878, Tunstall was killed in cold blood by men deputized by Sheriff William Brady who had been appointed to his position by Dolan.

Within a few months the feud between Dolan and Tunstall had escalated into violence that became known as the Lincoln County War.

me – Who were ‘the Regulators’?

Billy – After Tunstall was murdered, his ranch hands formed a vigilante group named ‘The Regulators.’ The Kid quickly joined the group. He had idolized Tunstall and at his funeral swore: “I’ll get every son-of-a-bitch who helped kill John if it’s the last thing I do.”

The Regulators retaliated by gunning-down the deputies who killed the Kid’s mentor as well as the County Sheriff, William Brady, who was involved.

Now they and the Kid were viewed as the baaad guys and warrants were issued for their arrests.

me – Was the Kid arrested?

Billy – Not yet. After a battle between the Regulators and the Dolan forces, the Kid escaped. A new Territorial Governor had been sworn in – retired Union General Lew Wallace – who issued an amnesty proclamation pardoning anyone involved in the Lincoln County bloodshed.

The Kid met with Wallace in person to discuss a deal. Would you believe he greeted the Governor with a Colt revolver on his hip and carrying a Winchester rifle?

me – Did the Governor pardon the Kid?

Billy – Not exactly. Part of the agreement was for the Kid to be jailed until the end of his courtroom testimony. But the District Attorney defied Wallace’s order to set him free after testifying. So the Kid who was a skilled escape artist by now simply slipped out of his handcuffs and fled.

me – When did Sheriff Pat Garrett meet the Kid?

Billy – Pat Garrett was a cowboy when he first met the Kid at Fort Sumner, New Mexico in 1879. Garrett took a job as bartender at a saloon called Beaver Smith’s.

He and the Kid were seen gambling together so often they became known as ‘Big Casino’ (Garrett was 6 foot 5) and ‘Little Casino’ (the Kid was barely 5 foot 8.)

Here’s the irony. In November 1880, Garrett was elected Lincoln County Sheriff and U.S. Marshal and given the task of apprehending the Kid who now had a substantial reward on his head.

me – Where was the Kid?

Billy – The Kid was on the run again rustling cattle and horses to survive. He learned that a gunslinger named Joe Grant had challenged him to a showdown. Grant was one of many who wanted to be known as the gunman who killed the Kid.

The Kid casually walked into the bar where he could find Grant. As the story goes, he boldly walked up to him and admired his revolver and asked to examine it. Grant said okay. Before handing the pistol back (which contained only three shells), the Kid made sure that the next shot would fire on an empty chamber.

Moments later, Grant (who must have had fewer braaain cells than bullets) stuck his revolver in the Kid’s face and pulled the trigger. The gun clicked harmlessly. The Kid drew his gun and shot Grant in the head. He later told a reporter that the encounter … ‘was a game of two and I got there first.’

me – When did Pat Garrett capture the Kid?

Billy – In December 1880, Garrett and his posse captured the Kid at Stinking Springs. (You know there had to be a lotta sulphur in those baaad-smelling springs.)

me – I recall reading one time that there was speculation that Pat Garrett, so familiar with the Kid’s habits and hideouts, might have been a rustler himself or have ridden with the Kid.

Billy – Anything is possible. After two days of testimony, the judge sentenced the Kid for the murder of Sheriff Brady to hang until ‘you are dead, dead, dead.’ The Kid retorted, ‘And you can go to hell, hell, hell.’

me – And then …

Billy – The usual. The Kid escaped two weeks before the scheduled execution in May, killing two guards in the process. He headed for the only place he knew as home: Fort Sumner.

me – How did Pat Garrett find him?

Billy – Garrett heard rumors that the Kid had returned to Fort Sumner. On July 14, 1881 Garrett and two deputies visited the home of Pete Maxwell, a friend of the Kid.

It was almost midnight when the Kid unexpectedly entered the darkened bedroom where they sat talking.

Because the room was dark, the Kid did not recognize Garrett and called out, ‘Quién es? Quién es? (Who is it?). Garrett recognized the Kid’s voice, drew his revolver and fired twice. The first bullet struck the Kid in the chest and he fell to the floor and died. He was twenty-one years old.

me – Seems almost like an assassination to me.

Billy – That’s what many people thought at the time.

me – I want to thank you, Billy, for taking the time to give me all these details about the Kid. But I have to ask about two things that concern me.

One – Why do you draw out the ‘a’ in bad when you pronounce it as ‘baaad’?

Two – Why do you feel so much more comfortable about talking about the Kid in the third person?

Billy – To answer your first question: I have what you might call a speech impediment.

To answer the second question: When your transmission was received, my owner, Billy the Kid – the genuine Billy the Kid – was away in Las Vegas attending the annual World Series Poker Convention – he’s still a committed gambler. He asked me to act as his surrogate.

me – Your owner?

Billy – Yes, I am the semi-genuine Billy the Kid … his pet goat. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Following Billy the Kid's death, writers began producing books and articles making a folk hero out of Billy the Kid, while making Pat Garrett seem like an assassin by comparison. Garrett attempted to counter by publishing a book of his own in 1882.

It was entitled 'The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid' and was largely ghost-written by Garrett's friend Marshall Ash Upson. A failure when released, an original copy of the Pat Garrett-Ash Upson book commands a fortune today.

© Copyright BJ Rakow, Ph.D. 2015. All rights reserved. Author, "Much of What You Know about Job Search Just Ain't So."

References: Brothers, Marcelle. About Billy the Kid. 2000 . . . Gardner, Mark Lee. To Hell on a Fast Horse: Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett. 2010 . . . Utley, Robert M. Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life. 1989.