Is The Joker Right?

Jump to Last Post 1-6 of 6 discussions (7 posts)
  1. tHErEDpILL profile image87
    tHErEDpILLposted 4 years ago

    Is The Joker Right?

    If you have seen Christopher Nolan's, "The Dark Knight"  (if not go see it now) you may remember this quote from The Joker, "they're only as good as the world allows them to be.  When the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other." 

    I'm going deeper into this with my next hub, but for now I just want to know; Do you agree or disagree?  You can refer to scenes form the movie if you want, but please incorporate the real world into your responses to the question; Are we only as good as the world allows us to be?  Thanks.

  2. profile image0
    Dave36posted 4 years ago

    Most people are exactly how society, governments, the media, the T.V, the news/news papers, celebs, parents, family, friends, teachers etc tell them to be....The UK is going down hill fast, & that's our governments fault....If the people are to blame in some way, it's because in general their weak....So what we have now in the UK are mainly selfish uneducated ego led people chasing money, & they are completely brainwashed....In fact it's so insane that it's almost unbelievable, & if you don't believe me....Just go to any Stadium in the world, & watch 100,000 people all acting as one brainwashed ego mind....Worshipping some greedy selfish sports star/stars, or celeb/celebs....Next time you see one of your mates see what they want to talk to you about, i bet it'l be some bull***t crap off the T.V etc!lol....So we're only as good as how strong we are & if we dare to buck the trend, & go against the vast majority of sheep!....The whole world tells me, no insists, that i should be like all the rest of them, but i dare to be different because i see what's happening....Some people get paid millions, while millions or people are starving & getting slaughtered....Most people i know reckon "I'M" mad for caring, but i know I'm perfectly sane I'm just not brainwashed any more.

  3. tHErEDpILL profile image87
    tHErEDpILLposted 4 years ago

    Hey Dave

    The U.S. isn't any better.  The same zombie like mentality exists here as well.  If you get a chance check out my profile.  Based on this response, I'm pretty sure you'd like the majority of my stuff.

  4. Mr.NGR profile image61
    Mr.NGRposted 4 years ago

    What I think he means by this, as I have seen this first hand, is that most human beings become products of their surroundings given the right push. In the movie he tries to get to get the citizens of Gotham to expose their true selves by unleashing chaos all for his amusement .  Now to answer the question at hand, I will use a hypothetical scenario of being raised with morals, values and knowing right from wrong. We spend most of our lives obeying the rules put in front of us and helping out our fellow human beings, as most of us do. Well lets say that the government collapses and anarchy ensues. Not crazy, all hell breaking loose chaos (at first) but you know general disorder. What would happen to the man who has these morals hmmm after a bit he would join in. Not because he really wanted to (or maybe he secretly does) but because everyone else around him is participating to provide for themselves and he also needs to provide for himself. It is very similar to the person who does not want a man put to death yet would kill a man for trying to break in his home. It doesn't make us hypocrites it shows that we are in fact fallible and would do pretty much anything to survive. So yes we are only as well behaved as our world allows us to be.

  5. M. T. Dremer profile image95
    M. T. Dremerposted 4 years ago

    It's a good quote, but ultimately I don't think it's true. And it's because we built the rules of society that are governing us. It stands to reason, then, that if laws/government were to fall apart, we would inevitably rebuild them. Yes, there would be violence in the mean time, but not everyone would devolve into a cannibal. More so, we would separate into smaller groups to protect ourselves. We're a pack species, so we would probably be more concerned with our own survival rather than looting or violence.

    Having said that, this particular scene from the Dark Knight felt a bit unrealistic to me. In a city as damaged as Gotham, I feel like someone would have pushed the button. Without any way to know that Batman was going to save them, at least one morally deficient person would have stolen the controller.

    1. tHErEDpILL profile image87
      tHErEDpILLposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I wrote a hub about this and I say the same thing; the button would have most likely been pushed. Check out the hub if you get the chance.  Thanks for the response.

  6. zaton profile image77
    zatonposted 16 months ago

    I agree that most people would if the veneer of society failed. Absolutely; when survival is at stake, there are only primates.
    http://pinstor.us/articles/hulk-vs-supe … th-titans/

 
working

This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://hubpages.com/privacy-policy#gdpr

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)