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Does President Donald Trump Have a Mental Illness?

Updated on June 3, 2018
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MY ESOTERIC likes to think of himself as a bit of a polymath with degrees in Statistics, Accounting, Computer Science, & Operations Research

Experts Speak Up

This article helps explain what I am trying to say below.

President-Elect Donald Trump

NOW THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BECOME PRESIDENT1, this becomes an even more critical question ...

"Has America Elected Its First Mentally Ill President?"

LESS THAN 6 months into his presidency, there were some distant mutterings throughout social media asking the same question. http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/media/mika-brzezinski-joe-scarborough-respond-to-trump/index.html

Now that he has served almost a full year, those mutterings have become full-throated questions in mainstream media, political opponents, and political supporters. It has gone so far that Democratic congressmen and women (and apparently one Republican senator) have asked for and received briefings from professional mental health experts as to the stability of President Trump and his fitness for duty.

1 Trump won by less than 100,000, split over 3 Blue-leaning states (PA-67,000, WI-22,000, MI-11.000). Clinton, on the other hand, beat Trump by aloost 3 million votes nationwide.

Mental Illness and the Presidency

THIS, OF COURSE, IS A VERY SERIOUS AND SENSITIVE SUBJECT. If a person is not mentally capable of performing the duties of the Office of the Presidency in a consistent, coherent, thoughtful, balanced, calm manner that won't endanger the national security of America, then the People need to know. While I may have made fun of President Bush's mental acumen, it was never serious and I have never questioned any candidates mental stability as it relates to performing the job in the past; and that would include people like Senator Cruz whose politics I find abominable. There have been good people running for office that have been destroyed because of careless, pointless claims by the opposition that they are unfit for the job because of past mental issues, mainly depression. So I don't take what follows lightly, but the stakes are much too high not to bring it up.

The Atlantic did a wonderful piece on Donald Trump that fits right with the hub, The Mind of Donald Trump

Anti-Social Personality Disorder

THIS IS THE BROAD CATEGORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS which I think might apply to Donald Trump. I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist; I am not a medical professional in any shape or form. What I am is a concerned citizen who can read, think, reason, and analyze information. In fact, my background is in economic and cost analysis which means collecting information processing it and drawing reasoned conclusions from it is what I did for work. I feel that qualifies me to identify relevant information regarding symptoms of mental disease as well as well documented behavior and present the two side-by-side for the reader to draw their own conclusions.

Any specific mental illness, like every other feature of human life, has symptoms and characteristics spread over a continuum. Take depression; of which I am personally familiar with. You can be temporarily depressed, like over the loss of a loved one; it is very real and may even express itself outwardly; but it will almost always go away. Then there may be more chronic depression which extends over time which may have impact ones ability to function normally, or at least not at full capacity (that was me for about 8 months sixteen years ago). Depression can also worsen into what I will call clinical depression requiring serious intervention by professionals and will probably result in serious deterioration in the quality of ones life, possibly leading to suicide. It would be my opinion that is this one of the few conditions that would make one unfit to run the country is the last one; or maybe more serious forms of the second example. I effectively and successfully held down a fairly high profile, somewhat stressful job during those eight miserable months; but I sure didn't want to.

That is what I mean by the continuum. While all examples are forms of a mental illness, only the most extreme versions make one unfit, in fact in some cases downright dangerous, to place the kind of responsibility required for the President of the United States.

So, What Do We Observe of Donald Trump?

BEFORE GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE troubling Donald Trump, let me describe in some detail the outward behavior I see which has been confirmed by many others.

  1. Donald Trump is an over-the-top, larger-than-life character
  2. He brags about himself every chance he gets; not just normal self-promotion, but promotion to an excess
  3. Their isn't a speech he gives where he doesn't come across as conceited
  4. By looking at his life style he appeas to be very pretentious, he wants you to know he is wealthy and he brags about it.
  5. There is hardly a time when speaking to the public that he doesn't belittle somebody, often several somebodies
  6. He clearly cannot take the tiniest of criticisms without lashing out in great verbal assaults, Hillary was quite right when she famously observed that Trump "can be baited by a tweet".
  7. He obviously thinks he is more important than anybody else
  8. There is no question about his desire to be admired
  9. He has a long, recorded history of taking unfair advantage of others to get what he wants
  10. He repeatedly claims how great he is, that nobody is a good has him clearly demonstrates is oversized egos.
  11. His making fun of a disabled reporter or denigrating the Kahn Gold Family strongly.indicates a distinct inability to recognize the needs of others or feel empathy.
  12. Can anyone doubt he constantly behaves in a haughty and arrogant manner?
  13. He is charming, self-assured, engaging, slick, and verbally facile; he is not afraid to say anything, no matter how inappropriate or insulting
  14. At his rallies he sometimes looks to be a great listener and easily fakes empathy while zeroing in on his targets’ dreams and vulnerabilities, to be able to manipulate them better. An example of this is when he recently mollified a mother at a rally whose baby was crying baby by saying "he loves babies ... don't worry. Then two minutes later he tells the mother he was just kidding and "get the baby out of here" or some such words.
  15. "Only I can do it" is an example of his grandiose self-worth
  16. Politifact and other rating agencies have found that more than 50% of his claims are lies, (personally I think it is higher) many of them bald-faced lies. He is, in my opinion, a pathological liar.
  17. I have seen no indication what so ever that he feels any guilt for his outlandish behavior
  18. At least in one regard he exhibits, at least in public, a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness and superficial warmth.
  19. Almost every time I seem him he appears irritability, annoyed, inpatient, aggressive, threatening (at least verbally), verbally abusive, unable to control his anger. and acting hastily (Trump acting thoughtfully, haven't see it yet.)
  20. Donald Trump has yet to accept responsibility for anything wrong he has done while campaigning; he always blames someone else.
  21. Even with what everybody else knows are serious missteps and that have caused him political harm, he has almost without exception, failed to learn from it.
  22. Donald Trump appears to remain calm and to be immune from anxiety and worry that would be normal for people in disturbing situations. He easily maintains his poise and confidence in situations when you and I would be embarrassed, confused or insecure,
  23. Trump is one of the most impulsive people I have ever seen, at least in campaign mode

The Great, The Only, The Donald

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Let's Leave It Here For the Moment

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN, if I can get your participation in the poll below to see 1) how correct or incorrect I am and 2) what y'all, together, think his real characteristics are. Above are 23 different impressions I have of Donald Trump that I have gained over the course of this election plus what I have seen of him in his past life. What I am curious about, and which will help me finish this hub, is how many of those 23 you AGREE with.

Now, each of you will agree or disagree with different sets of those I have listed, but it is the total each of you come up with that is important to the rest of this hub. Once I see where this is going, then I can continue on and let you know how your votes guide what I write next.

HOW MUCH ARE WE IN AGREEMENT

Simply Count the Number of Statements I Made That You Think Describe Donald Trump?

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Continuing the Hub (9/19/16)

HAVING WAITED LONG ENOUGH FOR A FEW VOTES TO COME IN (!!), it is time to move on with the rest of this hub and get into the meat of it.

Below is another survey asking about your political orientation. So far, about 1/3 identify as Left-leaning, somewhere in the middle, or neither Left-leaning, Right-leaning, or Independent. None of the respondents think they are Right-leaning. This information can be used to provide context to the results of this survey.

At the moment, 3 people think Trump matches 0 - 22% of the choices, 1 thinks he matches 22 - 70% of my observations; 1 more thinks he matches between 70 and 83%; while the remaining 15 think Trump's statements and actions fit between 83 to 100%.

Based on Demographic Survey #1, we can assume that 36% of the 20 respondents to the above survey (7.2) are self identified Liberals, the remaining 12.8 people self-identify as independent or none-of-the-above (neither Right, Left, nor Independent).

If we allow that all 7 Left-leaning respondents thought that Trump fits at least 20 of the symptoms for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), then that means 8 (61.5%) of the unbiased voters thought so to. So, at least at this point, I concluded that unbiased voters agree with my assessment that President Trump probably suffers from NPD.

Do you agree with my assessment?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)

EARLIER I GAVE A SECTION THE TITLE OF Anti-social Personality Disorder, APD for short. This one is titled Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). APD and NPD are two related yet distinct disorders. Other names for APD are Psychopathic PD and Sociopathic PD; APD is the latest incarnation. Also know that APD is much more sinister than NPD. That said, it is my opinion that Donald A. Trump certainly suffers from NPD but also exhibits some of APD's less violent characteristics.

The Table below details the basic symptoms from the DSM IV, the psychiatrist's bible to mental illness. In terms of NPD, if 5 of the 9 symptoms are present, then NPD is possible.

SYMPTOM
NPD
APD
QUESTIONS
A grandiose logic of self-importance - An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
X
 
1, 2
A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love - Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
X
 
 
A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions - Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
X
 
 
Requires excessive admirationA
X
 
6
Has a sense of entitlement
X
 
 
Interpersonally oppressive behavior - Interactions between people where individuals use oppressive behavior, insults or violence.
X
X
 
Lacks empathy
X
 
 
Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
x
 
 
A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes - Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
X
 
 
Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
 
N/A
 
Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.
 
X
 
Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.
 
N/A
 
Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
 
x
 
Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
 
X
 
Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing.
 
X
 
The individual is at least age 18 years.
 
X
 
There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
 
Unk
 
The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.
 
Unk
 
TABLE 1

DEMOGRAPHIC SURVEY #1

To Help Gauge the Results From the First Poll; Please Let Me Know Where You Stand Politically

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Examples of Donald Trump's Delusions

It is very evident from observing him for the last two years, President Trump lives in a made-up world of alternative facts (lies). You can, however, form your own opinion.

  • Jan 20, 2017: About 250,000 people showed up for Donald Trump's inauguration, after Trump predicted crowds five times that size. In spite of photos substantiating the crowd size Trump still insists that ".. it looked like a million and a half people, ... Whatever it was it was, but it went all the way back to the Washington monument. ... [They said] we drew 250,000. Now that's not bad, but it's a lie." - Meaning the media lied ... they didn't
  • Jan - Feb 2017: Soon after the Executive Order that stops Muslims from certain Middle East and African nations was signed, chaos ensued at airports around the nation; judges put stays on parts of the ban; and finally Washington and Minnesota states sued in federal court to put a nationwide stay on the EO. So far 15 other states have joined the suit. -- What does Trump say? "It's working out very nicely. ... You see it at the airports,, "you see it all over."; a declaration he has repeated in the days since.

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      My Esoteric 6 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Brad - Eleanor may be emotional, Trump is so dangerous to America, so am I and my friends consider me a very unemotional person, but she is SO right.

      Trump is a PROVEN SERIAL LAIR, a clear sign of mental illness

      It is PROVABLE that Trump bankrupted six casinos, laundered money through the Taj Mahal, that he bilked NYC, and a lot more.

      I suspect that the State of NY will convict him (using a lot of the information Mueller has gathered) of many financial crimes and toss him in jail where he can't pardon himself.

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      My Esoteric 6 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Eleanor - While I don't think Dennis was actually part of Trump's entourage (he went on his own), there is no doubt as to the truth of the rest of what you said.

      Brad - Exactly what name did I call you, is "Brad" wrong and therefore an insult?

      When you say "My experience and knowledge about statistics has nothing to do with forecasting human behavior, it is for defect management, and industrial technology." - it tells me all I need to know about your lack of knowledge about the field of statistics. To help educate you I offer the first thing that popped up when I googled "How are statistics used in psychology?" - http://cogprints.org/2782/1/EOLSSsta.pdf

      Also, when you say "Your expertise in statistics failed to predict that HRC would lose the election in a landslide in the EC, " - you just amplify your misunderstanding of what statistics are used for. As for the EC count, I have told, and shown, you multiple times that Trump was in the bottom third of EC winners; 46th out of 50 elections - in case you need proof AGAIN - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/18/us/...

      Show me when you say "On you tube, you can see the CNN analyst on election night use all of their polls to show that it would be impossible for Trump to win." - Since I watched CNN that I night, I didn't see it, maybe I blinked or something.

      As to Trump and North Korea, when you look at the timeline leading up to the so-called summit you will clearly see that Trump exacerbated a serious problem, putting the world in mortal danger in the process, in order to have a problem he can save he solved.

      You see, before Trump, the North Koreans did NOT have the H-bomb, they did NOT have ballistic missiles capable of even getting close to the United States, they did NOT have ballistic missiles that even worked that well. Because of Trump's warmongering, they quickly ramped up their efforts and now they have all of those things.

      Now that they have the capability to at least bomb Hawaii Trump is in position to orchestrate Un's entry onto the world stage for the sole purpose of doing something no other president has done, concede to North Korea's demand for equal status with the US.

      What did Trump get from his charade? He got a promise to talk more.

      What did Un (and Russia and China) get from his time with Trump?

      1. World respect - something the Kims have been trying to get for, well, ever.

      2. A halt to the training exercises (he called them "war games" and "provocative" that keep South Korea, U.S. troops, and our allies prepared for another invasion from the North. Now more people will die if North does invade because allied troops will not be as ready.

      3. What did other wanna-be dictators (or Iran) a path forward - push America to the edge of nuclear war and you get to sit down and have a photo-op.

      As to "rooting for a nuclear war", it seems that was what Trump was doing a year ago as he encouraged North Korea to speed up their nuclear development with his stupid, arrogant, dangerous, egomaniacal taunting of a guy with a nuke.

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      bradmasterOCcal 6 days ago from Orange County California

      Eleanore

      Your comment is clearly just an emotional and illogical tirade with no foundation, facts or relevancy.

      Just another HRC loser not caring about the country or the people. The democrats have clearly shown that by choosing illegal aliens, even illegal alien convicted felons, and refugees.

      What have they done for the country and the people in the last two years, or even in the last ten years.

      I think that the country was taken in the down slope since the 70s, until it collapsed in 2008.

      And it took both parties and their political establishment to do it.

      That is why Trump and not the parties were my choice. He is not apart of the establishment, and while he inherited their problems he didn't cause them.

      That is a fact.

      While non of your comment is worth repeating or factual.

      You are getting away by not even writing an article, just drive by commenting.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 6 days ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Hey Bradmaster, How about you come to NJ and do that cute little Rah Rah Trump act? I can guarantee you that you'll leave with battle scars from those of us paying off his 6 corporate bankruptcies.

      Once again, your hope is to launder Trump. Give it up. There isn't a person in NY or NJ who doesn't know Trump has never been successful at anything but failure.

      Tell us then why did Trump after being warned 3 times by the US Treasury to stop laundering money in the Taj Mahal Casino, refuse?

      Got an excuse for that too? Or, in your rah rah Trump world is money laundering okay ONLY for you and Trump?

      Got an excuse for why Trump bilked the City of NY over that Commodore Hotel deal where he kept 2 sets of books and got caught lying about no profits?

      Your boy is a liar. Start with his money laundering fine of $25 million. Name any one of 44 president who EVER paid a money laundering fine and ended up in the White House.

      You may get away with that immature need to try and turn lies into truth with others.. You don't get away with that with me.

      If you cannot be truthful and provide facts I know I can, why do you bother insisting like a big baby you are right? Lies are wrong. Not paying what you owe to 4400 employees and dozens of contractors is WRONG.

      Did someone in Daycare teach you that gross insecurity about having to admit when YOU are wrong?

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      bradmasterOCcal 6 days ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Once again your condescending name calling is not correct and it is not an answer.

      My experience and knowledge about statistics has nothing to do with forecasting human behavior, it is for defect management, and industrial technology.

      I have explained that to you, and you just name call. Do you use your expertise for human behavior or what I do with it?

      Your expertise in statistics failed to predict that HRC would lose the election in a landslide in the EC, where those votes were the only relevant votes.

      On you tube, you can see the CNN analyst on election night use all of their polls to show that it would be impossible for Trump to win.

      The value of statistics in defect management is very important because it saves money, and it makes a better product. What is the value of your human behavior use of statistics.

      Did you understand my voltmeter explanation?

      And now and your fellow anti Trumpers are going ti root for nuclear war, instead of embracing and cheering for even the slightest improvement with North Korea.

      It is really bad, when we can expect more positive change from North Korea than from the left, and in your case left of the left. Old time democrats must be cringing from the path taken by anti Trumpers.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 6 days ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      The fact that Dennis Rodman was part of the Trump entourage to North Korea and Rodman's tearful, chaotic interview praising Trump's success is proof enough that mentally unstable minds like Rodman's are attractive to equally unstable minds like Trump.

      The real danger though is that Rodman being so clearly incoherent is a national security risk when dealing with North Korea, well known for its sophisticated use of mind control drugs to extract information from their enemies.

      Anyone who served in the Korean War would attest to this.

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      My Esoteric 9 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I haven't avoided your comments Brad, you avoid my answers and say they aren't answers. It is not my fault you really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to mathematics and analysis.

      Consequently, there is no common ground on which to communicate.

      As to statistics being an interpretation my answer is LIFE is an interpretation. There is nothing hard and fast about living. In your way of thinking, a person's height is not a fact, it is an interpretation of a scale. The average height of nine year old's is not a fact, but a statistic; one used to make a judgement on how your nine-year old compares to his peers.

      It is not a fact that the sun will come up tomorrow, but we treat it as one. I guess you think psychiatrists, psychology, and psychoanalysis is all hooey because it is statistics-based.

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      bradmasterOCcal 9 days ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Always name calling and trying to belittle anyone who challenges your emotionally funded articles.

      This is the second time you avoided my comments. As I stated statistic is an interpretation and it doesn't really answer human issues. How about trying to answer my comments than just calling people ignorant

      BTW 35 is not an adequate sample size.

      I am comforted by the fact that you and your ideas are no longer part of the US military.

      How many more like you exist in the government?

      bye, let us know when you have some answers.

      Here is something from your methodology.

      Don't forget to take your meds.

      These kinds of statements aren't real replies, and I only use it here to illustrate how you comment.

      The real point to be made is that none of your statistics, or emotionally fueled articles evidencing your vile, contempt and obsession against Trump is totally without merit.

      More importantly, it doesn't change the Fact that Donald Trump is the president of the US, and HRC is not.

      End of story

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      My Esoteric 9 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Sorry Brad, your ignorance about statistics is really getting in the way of your understanding of the real world.

      Since I knew what your response would be (and I was right) I actually wrote that for the rest of the readers.

      You apparently didn't read or misunderstood my comments about "Seriously, you are going to let people that don't like Trump look at these statements and make an objective answer. " Let me repeat them:

      "I discount the extremes because of the high bias they have and wouldn't judge the statements fairly."

      Now, what about that statement didn't you understand?

      "NPD is not the same as president Trump not doing a good job as president, is it?" - WHERE did I say or even imply that?? What having NPD does do is seriously impede him from doing an effective job as president and do good for America. It doesn't have to in an individual instance, but it makes it very hard to do a good job. While you believe for some strange reason that Trump actually is doing a good job is your politically driven opinion. Objective observation tells the world he is irrational. Hell, even he doesn't know what he is going to do or say from day-to-day. What's worse, he admits it..

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      bradmasterOCcal 10 days ago from Orange County California

      ME

      That is ridiculous, and meaningless because you can't differentiate between Zero, 1 and 2.

      Your results can never show zero and a bucket with 0,1, and 2 is not valid unless you want to hide zero responses.

      First of all your premise on the Trump poll

      "Simply Count the Number of Statements I Made That You Think Describe Donald Trump?"

      Is based on statements which are subjective and meaningless about Trump and that the poll taker Thinks Describe Donald Trump.

      There are no facts, it is totally emotional and the statements have nothing to do with Donald Trump's performance. Its only goal is to put Trump in a bad light.

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      Those 23 statements are meant to approach the nine characteristics of a NPD from different perspectives.

      Seriously, you are going to let people that don't like Trump look at these statements and make an objective answer. In any case, NPD has nothing to do with judging the performance of president Trump which at least would have facts as their basis to rate.

      NPD is not the same as president Trump not doing a good job as president, is it?

      This poll is more of analyzing the poll taker than Trump. And once again, we rate the job the president is doing over what a personality test concludes.

      Remember the difference of using statistics for manufacturing processes versus humans. In mfg as you know, you breakdown the entire process into individual processes because a defect can occur at any process. And the earlier you find the defect the more it can pinpoint the failure. Rather than just doing QC at the final stage.

      imho, statistical sampling of humans is more of a process itself rather than analyzing.

      When a Voltmeter is put across a circuit, it has to have high impedance so that it doesn't affect the reading of the voltage of the circuit. If a sufficient impedance is not used for the Voltmeter, it become a part of the circuit. And that changes the reading because of it.

      The same is true of human sampling, many people don't want to express their opinions because many people don't like confrontations, or being judged.

      This then make the poll low impedance giving the wrong reading, as did the Hillary polls.

      The thing that I find the most defining here is when you and others of the Anti Trump cannot find a single thing that you like about the president. And you ignore all the facts, faults and failures of Hillary Clinton.

      What you have done in this article is taken a subjective task and tried to romance it into a scientific result.

      Remember GIGO.

      Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.

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      My Esoteric 10 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Because those are called "buckets", among other things, and they capture the number of responses in each bucket to produce a frequency distribution. Once it is populated with a sufficiently large sample size, in this case 35, then you can start analyzing the results to see what they tell with some degree of confidence that it represents the total population. There are formulas that calculate the margin of error.

      In this case, at this point in time, I need 10 more responses to get to my minimum of 35. But, in looking at the results right now, I don't see much of a chance the results will change dramatically. At the moment:

      - 8% (2 ppl} think Trump fits between 0 and 2 of those statements

      - 4% (1 prn) thinks Trump fits between 3 and 5 statements

      - 4% thinks between 6 and 9 of the statements describe Trump

      - 4% thinks Trump fits between 17 and 19 statements

      - 80% (20) think Trump is described by between 20 and 23 (87 - 100%) statements

      That is pretty astounding, even with such a small sample size.

      Those 23 statements are meant to approach the nine characteristics of a NPD from different perspectives. If the person exhibits five or more of the nine criteria (56%} , then a diagnosis of NPD is likely..

      I tried to equally divide the statements between the nine criteria or about 2.5 statements per criteria. So, if I was successful, then if people think Trump fits more than 13 of the statements, then the conclusion is the percent of people who thought Trump fit more than 13 think he is mentally ill.

      Further, I am well aware that most people who read my stuff are moderates or veer left who would be more prone to view Trump unfavorably. That is why I added a Demographic survey to get a sense of who was taking the poll.

      On the other hand, from other hubs, I have found the type of person who actually takes a poll fall in the Meyers-Briggs MTBI category of xNTJ. That classification describe people who are critical thinkers that act.

      What the Demographic survey says, although I need 20 responses to be confident of what it is telling me, 17 is close enough for gov't work, is that nobody on the far Right has taken the poll (who I would assume would choose the 0-2 bucket had they taken the poll.

      It also says that 36% of the poll takers lean far-Left and most likes found between 17 and 23 statements described Trump.

      The remaining 64% see themselves as being somewhere in the middle.

      Now the way this stuff works is as follows. Assume 64% of the 25 who actually took the poll were in the middle, that would be 16 respondents. That leaves 9 left leaning poll-takers who probably have gone to the highest bracket.

      So, what does that leave us? In analysis like this, I discount the extremes because of the high bias they have and wouldn't judge the statements fairly. That leaves 12 moderates (75%) that think Donald Trump is mentally ill. I trust their judgement.

      Can you conclude from this that Trump IS mentally ill? No, of course not. But you can conclude that it is more likely than not that he does have NPD based on observing his behavior.

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      bradmasterOCcal 10 days ago from Orange County California

      ME

      How can you say that 0-2 gives the same results as 0?

      I have done my share of statistical analysis in the computer field.

      I have also work in many government contractors projects, and I know the level of work being done.

      What your statistics are doing is making humans and industrial processes the same. And people are not the same. As you found out the hard way with Clinton losing the presidency.

      But when you do a sample of an industrial process, you get an accurate view of the entire process based on the sample.

      Perhaps it is you, that boasts knowledge but doesn't appear to know it.

      I didn't have to say that, but I think it shows how unnecessary your condensing remarks are here.

      Bottom line, I couldn't take your poll because it didn't have my answer, which was zero.

      Have a nice weekend.

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      My Esoteric 10 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Actually, not putting a separate value for zero does not invalidate the poll. And since you have zero understanding of statistical methods, I'll forgive you.

      I state facts and I state statistics as needed and as appropriate. With very few exceptions, like you, my readers trust my facts and trust my statistics.

      You could have fooled me about not loving Trump.

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      bradmasterOCcal 11 days ago from Orange County California

      My Esoteric

      You never state facts, you pose statistics as facts, and they are just not fact but opinions based on data. A statistic can be made to look as whatever they need it to look like.

      I don't love Trump, I like what he has done, and has tried to do, and that he is not part of the establishment. Therefore, he doesn't have to worry about making changes in the government.

      Even what casual observer, The 25th amendment to take down Trump is dead. The problem is that the left just rattles out their accusations and they repeat it in the hope that it will have traction.

      Just like the CNN puppet making all sorts of accusations about why Melania Trump hadn't been seen for 17 days.

      A win is a win, and Donald Trump's presidency cannot and will not be affected by your detailed statistical manipulations. Remember, you were Wrong that Hillary would win. Deal with it.

      FACTS you don't have any facts.

      I would like to see your facts on why Trump is being investigated for two years with zero evidence being found, and why Hillary Clinton isn't being investigated for her Russian Ties?

      ??

      BTW, when you put a poll in your article, always put 0 rather than 0-2 because that invalidates your results.

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      Jay C OBrien 7 weeks ago from Houston, TX USA

      I suggest a team of expert psychologists or psychiatrists weigh in on this. I would like to know why Freud and Jung did not publish an analysis of Hitler. We need a stronger mental health community.

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      My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I just state the facts, because you love Trump, you think they are BS. Unfortunately for you, even a casual observer has no problems identifying most of the symptoms of NPD with trump. He is one sick man (as his 30 minute tirade on Fox & Friends proves. Even his Fox Friends had to cut him off after a while because he was acting so insane)

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      bradmasterOCcal 7 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Because it isn't relevant, all the rioting started before Trump was president. And we know that these conflicts were instigated and planted by the democrats to get Trump out of office. He inherited these problems, but he didn't cause them.

      And just because you can't find something is not an answer.

      This whole article is just anti Trump BS. And you write what you know best BS.

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I couldn't find any reports of riots of any sort in 2018. BTW Brad, you didn't mention the murder by White Supremacists and Nazis' in Charlottesville. Why is that?

      Eleanore, I am not sure I can agree with "religion gives us wisdom". I am not sure history bears that out.

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      bradmasterOCcal 5 months ago from Orange County California

      And it was his people that rioted for Black Lives Matter last year and the beginning of this year.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 5 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Sometimes, I think men like Martin Luther King are clairvoyants we just don't pay enough attention to.

      Remember when he said, "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant."

      Or this one in light of today's bashers of science and attempts to replace it with religion: “Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.”

      It may well be that within the greatest depths of wisdom, also lies the greatest ability to teach others.

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Sure does, Eleanore.

      Aaron Burr certainly led a charmed life, but along with killing Hamilton, he also brought down the Federalist party which led to too many years of literally a one party government, the Democratic Republican party which later became simply the Democratic party.

      Because of #ChildTrump, the same thing may happen to the current Republican party (which traces is roots back to the Federalists ... sort of).

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 5 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      When I get enough of the slime name "Trump," I usually look for something more interesting about our US History. Oddly, I wasn't thrilled in my junior and senior year of high school when US History I and II were mandatory. Somehow though, it had the effect of making me drink in much of our country's history.

      This week, I watched a very interesting documentary on Aaron Burr. I always knew Burr more as the sitting VP who shot Alexander Hamilton to death.

      What I didn't know was what "else" Burr was up to after that incident. He planned to create his "own" country, carved out of TX, Mexico and nearly all of the newly acquired midwestern land that was part of the Louisiana Purchase.

      He went as far as building his own military and set them up along the Ohio River and in Louisiana with the help of General Wilkinson, a former general under George Washington. Wilkinson as it turned out was an agent of the Spanish Crown and helped Burr achieve his goals.

      At the last moment when Burr was ready to strike, Wilkinson got cold feet and hurried a letter off to then President Jefferson about Burr's plans.

      President Jefferson wanted Burr hanged and when Burr went to court, there wasn't sufficient evidence. However, Jefferson kept trying to influence then SC Judge John Marshall to hang Burr.

      Marshall refused saying that the Judiciary branch and executive branch were separate entities and that the executive branch was not constitutionally allowed to influence the judicial branch of government.

      Sound familiar?

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Couldn't agree more. The saddest part is that the EC was originally created protect America from demagogues like Donald Trump by making up their own minds.

      They feared, rightly, that the public is too easily swayed by emotion rather than by reason.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 5 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      My Esoteric...according to the FEC final tallies of the popular vote on the day AFTER the election, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3.2 million MORE votes than Trump.

      Now we find out that VA, TX and NC, along with WI and several other Corn Pone states are in trouble with the SC over their extreme gerrymandering tactics.

      NC was struck down just this week for Constitutional violations to voting rights.

      When the GOP decided to abuse the Electoral College purpose, they did so in juxaposition to the original reason for the establishment of the Electoral College: So that states with the smallest populations would have equal voting rights.

      But that isn't what the GOP does, is it? Oh no. ONLY Republican states find it necessary to rig elections and win using the Electoral College votes.

      Here is how they do it in NC: First, they overlap minority voting districts they know vote mostly Dem into their GOP districts, causing an automatic increase in the number of Electoral College electors.

      Then, in states like WI, TX and VA, they simply delete voting districts claiming "there weren't enough voters to validate it as a voting district." The EXACT purpose of the establishment of the Electoral College in the first place...to ensure that the smallest voting districts have equal voting rights.

      Time for all nasty Republicans to face facts. They are losing their majority rule and sinking for no reason other than their Mr. Man style games. They are NOT CEOs on our tax dollars.

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Once again Brad, the polls the day before the election had it a draw, overall. Of the states that counted, only Wisconsin had Clinton a winner beyond the margin of error.

      So, repeat after me, "The Polls Had it Right?"

      Not sure what you are getting at with the 25th Amendment comment.

      Also, you need to get past the myth that Trump clobbered Clinton. Trump won by 90,000 votes across three states which accounts for the EC result. He still lost by 3,000,000 popular votes, something he is unable to accept.

      No, the definition of insanity is not what you suggest. It actually is a mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.

      Sounds like Trump to me.

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      bradmasterOCcal 5 months ago from Orange County California

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      Again, haven't you learned that people are not a production line using the same processes and materials in a manufacturing process. Humans are not machines, and while they have common traits the combinations and permutations in human behavior doesn't really lend itself to statistical analysis.

      That would be the lesson that you missed from the Trump win over the statistical odds given by you and the media.

      Manufacturing processes correctly use the statistics to determine defect management for the product.

      I will admit that loyal party voters are more uniform in the voting because of blind obedience to the party. But, the elections are not won by the party voters, but the independents.

      And you should have also learned that people are not really honest when they take a poll. Most people tend to not want to go against what they think is public opinion. But in the safety of the voting booth they vote their private vote.

      As for the 25th amendment, it is just another way to say that is why Hillary Clinton, and the DNC lost to Donald Trump on his only try in politics. Hillary spent $1.6 billion which is double that of Trump and she was trounce 305 to 231 in the EC. And then the DNC even tried to strong arm the EC to change their vote.

      These are documented facts that don't need statistics.

      The definition of insanity is do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. And that is what Hillary and the left has been doing since the election.

      So who is insane?

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Saxuary - The 25th Amendment is law, it doesn't need to be ratified. That said, I think they would have to catch #ChildTrump walking down Pennsylvania Ave naked (ugh) before they would use it.

      While I would like to see #UnpresidentTrump impeached, the earliest that could happen is late 2018 or early 2019. I wouldn't mind Pence as President because he is probably not as conservative as Trump has turned out to be, but would be a rational actor.

      You are probably right though about the 2018 midterms ... at least you better be.

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Actually Wild Bill, besides hyperbole, what can you point to that clearly shows Carter was a bad president. I will give you he wasn't a great one, but there have been many, many who were worse than him.

      I do agree Clinton is a marginal role model, and not just because of his philandering (probably the one bad thing Trump hasn't done lately) but, I would hold Jack Kennedy up minus his open marriage (seems like Jackie went along with it)

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      Sanxuary 5 months ago

      Your not going to ever get the 25th amendment past. You could be in perfect health and bat s##t crazy. The rest of the Republican party should be evaluated as well. I am pretty certain that party has sighned a suicide pact. The cure is the midterms and saying goodbye to the Republican and lets get these coming impeachment over. The 25th amendment would have been a good way out but this way will get rid of them forever if we our lucky.

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      Wild Bill 5 months ago

      Randy,

      Jimmy Carter was/is a good role model, but that doesn’t mean he was a good president.

      Would you want Bill Clinton or Jack Kennedy as your son’s role model?

      On a lighter note, I do miss Billy Beer!

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      My Esoteric 5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Exactly, Randy.

      Brad, the reason #ChildTrump seems so normal to you is you both live in the same fantasy world of alt-facts (as is obvious from your response). It is sad that 3 out of 10 Americans live there with you, but encouraging that 7 out of 10 don't.

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      Randy Godwin 5 months ago from Southern Georgia

      Would you want your children to act like DT, Brad? Is he a good role model for anyone? Seriously

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      bradmasterOCcal 5 months ago from Orange County California

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      Haven't you learned anything from the election that your polls are not real and there is nothing in this article that even suggest any mental health issues of Donald Trump.

      BEFORE GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE troubling Donald Trump, let me describe in some detail the outward behavior I see which has been confirmed by many others.

      Donald Trump is an over-the-top, larger-than-life character

      ------ so what

      He brags about himself every chance he gets; not just normal self-promotion, but promotion to an excess

      ------- He is confident

      Their isn't a speech he gives where he doesn't come across as conceited

      ------- He is confident

      By looking at his life style he appeas to be very pretentious, he wants you to know he is wealthy and he brags about it.

      -------- A fat cat like you sucking tax dollars to get your govt employee first class FERS and FEHS and all those expensive benefits not found in the private sector, and your dissing him

      There is hardly a time when speaking to the public that he doesn't belittle somebody, often several somebodies

      ----- Your opinion

      He clearly cannot take the tiniest of criticisms without lashing out in great verbal assaults, Hillary was quite right when she famously observed that Trump "can be baited by a tweet".

      He obviously thinks he is more important than anybody else

      --------- you are quoting Hillary, seriously. she lost the election after spending 1.6 billion dollars. She had no platform, cheated Bernie Sanders and she won't go away.

      These are your emotional opinions and they mean nothing.

      There is no question about his desire to be admired

      ------ What does that have to with anything about mental health. And using categorical non factual terms is irrelevant.

      He has a long, recorded history of taking unfair advantage of others to get what he wants

      ------ What does that unsupported vague statement even mean? What has he done now?

      He repeatedly claims how great he is, that nobody is a good has him clearly demonstrates is oversized egos.

      ------ repeating the same rant here

      His making fun of a disabled reporter or denigrating the Kahn Gold Family strongly.indicates a distinct inability to recognize the needs of others or feel empathy.

      ---- Total nonsense. The disable reporter was not made fun of, and Kahn Gold was a setup. Trump had nothing to do with his family.

      Can anyone doubt he constantly behaves in a haughty and arrogant manner?

      ----- I don't see him doing that as president. These are just your slurs.

      He is charming, self-assured, engaging, slick, and verbally facile; he is not afraid to say anything, no matter how inappropriate or insulting

      ------ Another totally emotional unsupported rant.

      At his rallies he sometimes looks to be a great listener and easily fakes empathy while zeroing in on his targets’ dreams and vulnerabilities, to be able to manipulate them better. An example of this is when he recently mollified a mother at a rally whose baby was crying baby by saying "he loves babies ... don't worry. Then two minutes later he tells the mother he was just kidding and "get the baby out of here" or some such words.

      ------- Now we are back at the rallies. He won she lost, get over it. Grief counseling might help you.

      "Only I can do it" is an example of his grandiose self-worth

      Politifact and other rating agencies have found that more than 50% of his claims are lies, (personally I think it is higher) many of them bald-faced lies. He is, in my opinion, a pathological liar

      ------- I heard about the 1950 lies and they are irrelevant and as you mentioned your opinion. Relate a lie to something substantial. So far no one has done that on my article about it.

      I have seen no indication what so ever that he feels any guilt for his outlandish behavior

      ----- What behavior?

      At least in one regard he exhibits, at least in public, a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness and superficial warmth.

      --- Another meaningless statement.

      Almost every time I seem him he appears irritability, annoyed, inpatient, aggressive, threatening (at least verbally), verbally abusive, unable to control his anger. and acting hastily (Trump acting thoughtfully, haven't see it yet.)

      ------ How many of these personal opinions do you have to offer. So far, they just pan out to be sore loser syndrome.

      Donald Trump has yet to accept responsibility for anything wrong he has done while campaigning; he always blames someone else.

      ------ name something, give some facts. Are you sure you don't mean Hillary?

      Even with what everybody else knows are serious missteps and that have caused him political harm, he has almost without exception, failed to learn from it.

      ----- Maybe they should be learning. He beat 16 of the best GOP, and the democrat primary winner, not the best but he still beat her. "Almost without exception" what does that even mean?

      Donald Trump appears to remain calm and to be immune from anxiety and worry that would be normal for people in disturbing situations. He easily maintains his poise and confidence in situations when you and I would be embarrassed, confused or insecure,

      ------ All of these statements have more to do with your mental state, and nothing to do with the mental state of Donald Trump.

      Trump is one of the most impulsive people I have ever seen, at least in campaign mode

      ----- There you go again, more emotion, and still no connection to Trump.

      ----- opinion

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      Examples of Donald Trump's Delusions

      It is very evident from observing him for the last two years, President Trump lives in a made-up world of alternative facts (lies). You can, however, form your own opinion.

      Jan 20, 2017: About 250,000 people showed up for Donald Trump's inauguration, after Trump predicted crowds five times that size. In spite of photos substantiating the crowd size Trump still insists that ".. it looked like a million and a half people, ... Whatever it was it was, but it went all the way back to the Washington monument. ... [They said] we drew 250,000. Now that's not bad, but it's a lie." - Meaning the media lied ... they didn't

      ---------- At worst he exaggerated, but thanks to the democrats and their rioting since the election. This was an inauguration that need more security and the structure was changed. In any case, who cares. It is an irrelevant contention.

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      Jan - Feb 2017: Soon after the Executive Order that stops Muslims from certain Middle East and African nations was signed, chaos ensued at airports around the nation; judges put stays on parts of the ban; and finally Washington and Minnesota states sued in federal court to put a nationwide stay on the EO. So far 15 other states have joined the suit. -- What does Trump say? "It's working out very nicely. ... You see it at the airports,, "you see it all over."; a declaration he has repeated in the days since.

      -------- These were all cause by the resistance from the democrats and their liberal judges. The ban was temporary and it had parameters based on 6 countries in the Middle East that were infested with terrorists. The purpose was to get them proper vetting. Why is that a problem?

      Is this the best you can do under the topic of delusional?

      Delusion are those people that don't want to prevent terrorists from coming into the country. And today, the SCOTUS is aligned with Trump, rather than the Obama aligned federal judges.

      I suppose that you are also supporting the Sanctuary States that want to protect convicted felons and criminals from the federal government. How is that not delusional?

      And you claim that Trump only beat Hillary by a small margin. I think EC 305 to 231 is a trouncing.

      Trump also won 90 percent of all US counties.

      The three million popular votes don't count to win the election. But they can be attributed to CA where seven million voted for Hillary and four million voted for Trump.

      And then Hillary Claims that the Russians helped Trump. Where were they when he won the republican primary. and where were they in CA?

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      Nudely 22 months ago

      Oh Goody! We finally get to have a King George III ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqbDBRWb63s

      (One way or another!)

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Actually, there were whispers about Trump's bizarre sexual proclivities back in his Playboy days. He spent quite a bit of time at the McAfee NJ Playboy Mansion, ergo his wife Melania's link to Playboy and that centerfold.

      In those days, no one paid much attention to Trump and his kinky "recreational" habits. We all just figured he was like all CEOs and thanks to limitless money, could buy all the "kink" he felt privileged to enjoy.

      That's why I laugh and laugh when the religious fundamentalists and evangelicals who support Trump try to canonize him. We here in NJ know differently.

      So bad is his reputation, that he had to close his Edison, NJ campaign headquarters. My guess is he knows if he sets foot in NJ, he'll put his life at risk thanks to the thousands he owes money to.

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      Doris James-MizBejabbers 22 months ago

      Have you noticed that all the women involved with him are beautiful blonds, wives, ex wives, campaign apologists, even his "spiritual advisor"? Did you see the interview with her on CNN? I'll bet she can make him say, "Oh God!"

      Sorry, just teasin' like he did with Hillary and the 2nd Amendment folks.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Actually, living in NJ, since the 70s, our local media outlets have always published everything and anything The Donald does. So, we in the Metro NY/NJ region are far more knowledgeable about Trump Tantrums.

      It's only now the rest of the country is finally getting in on all of the nitty gritty dirty Trump tactics.

      He only sues AFTER they sue him. Counter-suing is what Trump spends a lot of his money on.

      Or else, he pays off his opposition as he did Ivana and Marla who are under gag orders not to dare speak ill of this lunatic.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      PeoplePower, can you spell Narcissistic Personality Disorder, lol.

      Ewent, Trump probably sued them for having the audacity to sue him. Sturm Abteilung = Stormtroopers or Brownshirts circa 1930s Germany.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      My state (NJ) already has a number of small businesses who are suing Trump for non-payment of their goods and services. He also has Taj Mahal workers suing for non-payment of their wages. This occurred before Trump had to sell this casino. Sturm Abteilung? With Trump? Getting away with paying for what he wants is a fact of his life.

      Trump has already stated in his last speech that if Hillary Clinton makes any SC judge appointments, the "2nd Amendment People" will deal with her.

      Trump is a slime ball who is also unhinged.Sorry but what it "sounds" like to those who have not had the misfortune of getting saddled with Trump's bankruptcies and cost of his lawsuit, their Sturm Abteilung is "ignernce" and living too far from Trump's predatory hunting grounds.

      May the Trumpenstein be all the right wing in this country ever needed to take their country back to rich man's plantation days. As for we in NJ, Trump knows he doesn't dare set foot anywhere near this state. Not unless he wants Swiss Cheese for a butt.

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      Mike Russo 22 months ago from Placentia California

      My Esoteric: You make an excellent point. If there was just one opponent, he would not be able to divide and conquer. That is his strong suite. I read he learned how to do that in the military school that his father sent him to. It may work in the business world that he is accustom to but not in this world wide political arena. I don't think he has the mentality to unite people, except for his own self serving interest.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Sounds like Sturm Abteilung to me, Ewent?

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Now that Herr Trump has proven, beyond any doubt, that he is mentally deranged thanks to his subtle remarks in his last "let the 2nd Amendment people" speech, it is now obvious this country has concrete proof of why the 2nd Amendment has been bastardized to allow (according to a post speech interview with a Trump campaign advisor), that those "90 million" AR-15 gun owners are replacing the US military, the National Guard and the police.

      Just what you want in a president, a dictatorial tyrant who has 90 million gun owners at the ready to quell any negative remarks or protests. How very Putin does it need to get?

      Any of you who watched the last episode of the travel show, Anthony Bourdain, saw when he visited Russia the extent of how a Trumpesque Putin handles anyone who dares to oppose him.

      Bourdain was dining with a journalist. At the end of this program, Bourdain announced that due to the remarks the journalist made on camera during their dinner, the journalist was shot to death by Putin's "police"...This is where the US is headed under unhinged nuts like Trump.

      Trump has NO control over the unhinged nuts in his crowd who will be more than happy to do his dirty work for him. Worse, the Republicans would be thrilled is some trumped up (no pun intended) Lone Wolf assassin takes her out. This is America? Try explaining that to your kids.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks for reading and commenting PeoplePower. What many people who think Trump has a mandate forget is that had there been only one or two opponents of some caliber, Trump wouldn't be the nominee; 75% to 80% of the vote went to other candidates until it was a forgone conclusion.

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      Paula 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Sorry Esoteric....Didn't mean to neglect your comment. I didn't come back to see this thread until today....

      Basically, it looks like 3 of the family members didn't hear Hillary say what the others heard. This is quite possible. I don't think any of the family members lied at all.

      Yes, I did miss the article you refer to. The point is, you needn't knock yourself out to "show everyone" that I am wrong. Those who agree with you will of course feel I am wrong~~and obviously those who do not agree with you may or may not feel I'm wrong. I did not reply to your hub for votes of right or wrong. You asked a question, I offered my opinion/belief. Matters not to me who agrees or disagrees.

      Repeated arguments and continual back & forth concerning Politics or Religion are a completely futile waste of precious time and energy.

      I believe I've made it clear numerous times over the past few months that I wouldn't give a nickle for either candidate. One is a clown and the other an accomplished thug. No matter which one wins, WE LOSE.

      It's been vivid Mr. E.

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      Mike Russo 22 months ago from Placentia California

      I heard Trump say that Obama is the founder of ISIS. That is a complete lie and an insult to my intelligence. Trevor Noah, from the Daily Show said that Trump is really a stand up comedian. He is just in the wrong venue for comedy. His supporters take what he says seriously and that is no laughing matter. Everything he says is subject to a different interpretation from the left then the right. A president needs to express himself or herself clearly and with out interpretation. Having his hands on the nuclear code is no laughing matter and needs to be taken seriously.

      I feel Fox News and the conservative right have brainwashed the people and are ruining this country. It is more than brainwashing, they have actually been taught what their values and belief systems should be. They created the opportunity for a person like Trump to rise to his level of incompetence by dividing and conquering all of his opponents with slander, insults, lies, defamation, and B.S.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Ewent, I suggest you go back over and "carefully" read what I have written in the Hub and in the comments. The fact that you say "... your hero Trump.." tells me you are in your own world of "truths". In fact, you don't need to reread anything other than the title of this Hub; here I will give it to you.

      "Does the GOP Nominee for President Have a Mental Illness?"

      And then I go on to suggest " my hero Trump " DOES have a mental illness. Shheeesh.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      MyEsoteric...Unless you were in the room when Hillary spoke, you only have media for your substantiations. Given that media today is owned by 6 Hillary Hating billionaires who are ALL ultra conservatives, you will pardon me if I have little faith in your PolitiFacts article.

      Hillary will be president because the entire world, except you, knows she is, as President Obama stated, the most qualified woman, to BE president.

      If you have so much evidence, why not do the right thing and haul her into court? I am so sick and tired of narrow minds like yours always passing judgment on others.

      How about you stay focused on what will happen if your hero Trump who stated this week, "why can't we use nukes" will do to your children or grandchildren's futures? Or is that too much like work for you?

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I believe in presenting the evidence which lead to my conclusions rather then simply hyperbolically stating them.

      You apparently missed the Politifact article who interviewed the six people I listed. No matter how much you hate Clinton, the FACT is, 3 of the family members reported that she DID mention the video to EVERYBODY and 3 of the family members reported the Clinton DID NOT mention the video.

      Obviously you MUST call the 3 family members who disagree with your hypothesis liars in order for your claims to hold any water at all. Are you calling them LIARS?

      Are you calling the sister of the Ambassador a LIAR as well, in order to state your theory in just stringent terms? Are you calling her a LIAR as well, fpherj48?

      Then we have HRCs actual, recorded statement to the public which also destroys your claims.

      That is why I spent so much time and effort to show everybody else that you are WRONG.

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      Paula 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      My Esoteric.....I see you put much time & effort into your comment to me. This is curious since your very first words were that "there is no recording of the conversations in question"......then you proceed to go on and on as to who said what, when, how and to whom.

      All due respect sir, you could have saved your energy. I have researched this particular topic in every way possible, to include actually communicating with one of the victim's family members. I'm afraid there is nothing that can convince me that Hillary did not LIE BOLD-FACED to the grieving families. Hillary is quite simply incapable of speaking any truths, EVER, about anything. And just for the record, Trump is NO better.

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      Paula 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Randy, I absolutely am outraged at the subversion of justice for Bush & Cheney. I have said numerous times that Vincent Bugliosi's book, "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder," should be a must-read by every American citizen.

      Party affiliation does not enter into my thought process nor opinions, Randy~ never has, never will. A crooked, lying, manipulative, greedy & power-hungry person is my main aversion. And I do not trust nor believe a one of them. The sad and hard core fact of reality is, I feel what we as American voters have is the unfair struggle to dig until we find whom we "think" may be the least corrupt. This time? We don't even have that! Trump & Clinton are equally disgraceful & dangerous.

      I do not believe a Right wing conspiracy has created the monster that is Hillary. She has accomplished her shameful image all on her own. Trump? He's a damned joke. Two words sum up my conclusion for 2016. We're screwed.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Ooops, sorry Jay, that was Ewent

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      fpherj48, Regarding your comment about Hillary "lying" to some of the families of the Benghazi victims. There is NO recording of the comments back and forth between the families, Obama, and Clinton that day.

      What do we actually have?

      -- Patricia Smith, mother of information officer Sean Smith, told CNN that National Security Adviser Susan Rice [not Hillary] "talked to me personally, and she said this is the way it was. It was because of this film that came out."

      -- Speaking at a House hearing about a year later, Smith said that [specifically] Clinton, President Barack Obama, Rice "and others", ALL individually told her the attack stemmed from the video." {to be clear, she testified that multiple people told her the exact same story}

      -- Then Smith tells Fox News that "She lies. Very simple. She is not telling the truth,"

      -- Then there is Charles Woods, father of CIA operative Tyrone Woods, who told Glenn Beck that "Clinton said to him, 'We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.' " (This makes sense given the amount of violence it created in other parts of the world.)

      -- But Woods also noted in his diary that "I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son,"

      -- Kate Quigley, sister of CIA operative Glen Doherty, said Clinton mentioned protests but not a video. She spoke to my family about how sad we should feel for the Libyan people because they are uneducated, and that breeds fear, which breeds violence, and leads to a protest," Quigley said, adding that Clinton chose to "perpetuate what she knew was untrue."

      Then there is the following:

      -- Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, told PolitiFact that the first time he heard anything about a video was when the Washington Post Fact Checker called him with a similar question. He confirmed that he heard "nothing whatsoever" about a video from Clinton

      -- Tyrone Woods’ mother, Cheryl Bennett, said that when she spoke with Clinton, she "never heard the word ‘video’ mentioned. That’s just a fact."

      -- Bennett also said that the "motivation behind the attack didn’t come up in her brief interaction with Clinton."

      -- Also, Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother, didn’t recall talking with Clinton about a video and said she remembered Clinton as being sincere and crying, according to the Washington Post.

      The above is what Politifact was able to find out from the family members that were there.

      -- Clinton of course denies saying anything about a video in her private conversations with the family members. This is supported by Barbara Doherty, Cheryl Bennett, and Jan Stevens; while Patricia Smith, Charles Woods, and Kate Quigley contradict Clinton; 4 says Clinton didn't say anything about the videos and 3 said she did ...

      HARDLY convincing evidence, is it?

      Now, what did Hillary Clinton say contemporaneously to this meeting?

      -- "This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country," she said. "We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with."

      Here Clinton mentions the video but does not say it was responsible for the Benghazi attacks.

      Then when was it absolutely known the Benghazi was a terrorist attack except in the minds of Obama and Clinton haters. The answer is, it was known for certain the day AFTER the meeting between Clinton and the families; according to numerous GOP investigations.

      Also, the same day of the meeting, the NY Times reported "that information available to the White House at the time suggested there were protests in Benghazi spurred by those in Cairo, and Islamic extremists took advantage of the situation and began the attack.

      Now, what does another family member say about all this?

      -- Anne Stevens, Ambassador Cris Stevens' sister, when asked whether she felt her brother's death had been politicized," Stevens was adamant when she said

      "Yes! Definitely politicized. Every report I read that mentions him specifically has a political bent, an accusatory bent. One point that seems to be brought up again and again is the accusation that the attack was a response to the video. I could understand why that conclusion would be made, because it was right after the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Egypt. But, frankly, it doesn’t matter that that was the thinking, that night, about why the attack occurred. It’s irrelevant to bring that up again and again. It is done purely for political reasons."

      So, what am I to make of your claim, fpherj48, that "She out and out lied in the faces of the families of Benghazi. To make matters worse and truly insult these people, she DENIED what she said to them. Really, Randy? Were all those people wrong about what she said? Are all of them deaf? and only Hillary is telling the truth? Very highly unlikely!....Her email scandal is so outrageous it might even be comical if not so serious. She was found not to be indictable. What a joke and slap in the face to the American people. OK, fine, was it a Right Wing Conspiracy that she LIE through every minute of every investigation? Comey HAD to admit she was "not truthful" numerous times. When I went to school, "not truthful" meant you fucking LIED."

      I ask you, were the family members who said SHE DID NOT say anything about the videos wrong?

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      I do indeed understand your frustration with Hillary, after all the Right has spent literally millions trying to get something on her ever since Obama won the presidency. Remember when some of them claimed Bill could have gotten Ben Laudin and didn't?

      You didn't answer if people should be considered guilty on just what people think and not what the facts show. And Comeny was perfectly acceptable to the Right because he had worked for both parties and was highly respect by both sides of the aisle until he gave the results of his investigation of Hillary.

      Was there this much outrage from the right when then AG Alberto Gonzalez refused to serve a summons to Bush and Chaney to come before Congress and testify about the Iraq War and Haliburton? Did you feel outrage at that subversion of justice? Enquiring minds want to know. :)

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      Jay C OBrien 22 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      From above:

      "Thanks for reading and commenting Jay. I look forward to reading your Hubs, should prove interesting

      I appreciate you reading this hub and giving us your opinion. A couple of notes on a couple of things you said. To be fair, Trump doesn't own the Taj anymore; he drove it into bankruptcy a few years ago. His friend Carl Ichan bought it and he is the one closing it amid a big strike; 3,000 jobs gone. Also, read the book Good to Great by Jim Collins; it might mitigate your extreme views on CEOs."

      The second paragraph is Not from me.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you for your comment, emge. People who support Trump do it for many reasons, only one of which is that they like what he stands for. But at best, a little less than 40% of Americans say they support Trump. I would guess a large portion of those is because they HATE Hillary. So that leaves basically the much smaller Right-wing extremists who actually support Trump for Trump.

      To the rest of you, thank you for reading, writing, and VOTING.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I really appreciate your taking my poll and you are giving me exactly what I am looking for, couturepopcafe. There is no doubt every one of those 23 observations are through my biased lens; hence the poll. I do agree that a single, non-professional can rely on what they perceive about a person as the be-all-end-all, again, that is why I have the poll. I DO disagree, however, that when many people perceive the same thing, exhibiting arrogance for example, then the likelihood of that being true goes up. Now that can be biased by the political leaning of the responder and that is why I have my Demographics poll. Looking at the ratio of Left, Right, and in the middle and comparing it to the distribution of answers to the main poll, allows me to dampen the effect of bias in the final results.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks for reading and commenting Jay. I look forward to reading your Hubs, should prove interesting

      I appreciate you reading this hub and giving us your opinion. A couple of notes on a couple of things you said. To be fair, Trump doesn't own the Taj anymore; he drove it into bankruptcy a few years ago. His friend Carl Ichan bought it and he is the one closing it amid a big strike; 3,000 jobs gone. Also, read the book Good to Great by Jim Collins; it might mitigate your extreme views on CEOs.

      babjik, you are right, but what we are talking about is behavior way outside the norm, or at least the way I see it. Thanks for reading.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks for your comment and observation, Frasermalaney . I would think there is enough biographical data out there on almost every president from Washington onward to make fairly educated guesses as to whether any mental issues interfered with their conduct. I think Nixon is a good example; what would appear to be out of the norm paranoia seem to negatively affect him in his second term.

      But the DMS - 5 (I think it is) lays out reasonably good guideposts for somebody (who knows, maybe they already have) answered the question you put forward.

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      Paula 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Randy (yes we are friends & so I'll be calm & polite)....I'll try to do my best to explain my comment about where I feel Hillary belongs.

      If memory serves me well, the expression "Right Wing Conspiracy"was first coined publicly by Hillary herself back when she was defending her philandering, serial cheater/rapist hubby. The rest of that story is factual, documented history that needs no repeating here. What is clear is that Hillary's conspiracy comment was blown to bits.

      There is the fact that she was fired from her lawyer position with the Rose law firm for illegal, unethical activities (re-searchable truth), Far too many vital documents have disappeared into thin air which were highly detrimental to her, bill and their dealings. Travelgate.? The name Vince Foster is one that has hung over the Clinton's head forever and continues to be a serious threat to them if investigated fully and properly by independent agencies.

      Hillary's list of blatant and egregious lies has got to be the longest in History of any other crooked politician, present or past. She was subjected to sniper fire? No. She is not a racist but actually an advocate for black America? Absolutely not. Randy, not a mere handful, but HUNDREDS upon Hundreds of individuals (from all parties and every walk of life have divulged her constant use of the "N" word and her utter disdain for blacks.) The Clinton Foundation has been proven numerous times to be a complete fraud and basically a means for the Clinton's to take in money for THEMSELVES . Accepting millions from the Arabs? How could they? WHY would they?

      Before I go on, yes, of course I'm aware some of what I'm saying are not literally "crimes" or prison-worthy.....some are. I'm far from done.

      She out and out lied in the faces of the families of Benghazi. To make matters worse and truly insult these people, she DENIED what she said to them. Really, Randy? Were all those people wrong about what she said? Are all of them deaf? and only Hillary is telling the truth? Very highly unlikely!....Her email scandal is so outrageous it might even be comical if not so serious. She was found not to be indictable. What a joke and slap in the face to the American people. OK, fine, was it a Right Wing Conspiracy that she LIE through every minute of every investigation? Comey HAD to admit she was "not truthful" numerous times. When I went to school, "not truthful" meant you fucking LIED.

      Comey has destroyed his reputation and lost respect.....people can come to their own conclusions. Lying to the FBI is a crime.

      So, I'll concede at this point that using the word "prison" was a refection of my total disgust and anger with Hillary. If I went back to clean it up, I guess I'd say she needs to go HOME and sit on the porch, shut up and stay the hell out of politics. The woman makes my skin crawl simply based on her complete moral bankruptcy. her screeching, abrasive voice, her unpleasant demeanor, lack of personality and PISS POOR taste in husbands!AND SHE LIES SIMPLY BECAUSE TELLING THE TRUTH HAS NEVER OCCURRED TO THE WOMAN!.......At the end of the day, Randy, when she wins the election, I have to accept the decision of my fellow-Americans, get used to it and try my very best to support our current Administration. Despite my opinions and choices, my first responsibility is to our Nation. Peace, Paula

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      Old Poolman 22 months ago

      fpherj48 - I too am very disappointed that once again we are forced to choose between the lesser of the evils when we cast our ballots.

      There were some fairly good candidates early in the race, but now the whole election cycle is based solely on money. The candidate with the most money usually wins the election.

      I truly wish we could give them all exactly the same amount of money and let them run strictly on their own merits rather than their wallets.

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      My good friend Paula, why should Hillary be in prison? I'm not aware of anything--other than wild speculation--she's been convicted of to date. Are we now a country where one is guilty until proven innocent?

      Good to see you, by the way. :)

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      Paula 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      My Esoteric......I agreed with all of your points. It's rather difficult to disagree, not to mention plain old foolish. The man, his behavior, words and attitudes speak for themselves. I found him an arrogant, rude, blow hard long before he jumped into the race......a race he clearly does not belong in, does not qualify for and has ultimately transformed into a circus. However, how he got to where he is now speaks loudly of the American voter and our complete disgust at this point and feeling of helplessness.

      I am an Independent...always have been, always will be. I am not and could never be devoted to and loyal to a "party" to the point of insanity or ignoring facts & common sense.

      I would also NEVER consider voting for the morally bankrupt, power-hungry, phony as a 3 dollar bill, LIAR of the century.....Hillary Clinton. That woman belongs in one place and one place only. Prison.

      I'm totally disgusted and ashamed of finding ourselves with 2 of the worst choices EVER in the history of our country.

      I hear rumors the Right may be planning as "intervention." I hope one of them resembles God......because I see no hope without him!

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      couturepop--actions speak louder than words sometimes. I doubt seriously Trump spent lots of time with his children or gave them a sense of their self worth. If he is so admired by his kids then why aren't they just as obnoxious and arrogant as he certainly appears to be?

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      enge, you are free to dismiss everything in this comment section if you so choose. Ain't it great to be an American? You do live in America, right? :)

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      Wow! If the Taj goes bust there'll probably be a lot of people left holding the bag if Trump's past business deals are any indication.

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      Madan 22 months ago from Abu Dhabi

      I am really surprised at this post and also the writeups in the intelligentsia. All the arguments are simply to be dismissed. I hope the writer and others who keep criticizing Donald are aware that half of the US, supports Donald and that means that half is lunatic. This is a poor comment on American democracy.

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      couturepopcafe 22 months ago

      This is a cute survey, though wildly inaccurate with ambiguous questions. I could only agree with 6 and one questionable 7 because you can't possible claim to know what "everybody" is thinking, you can't possibly make assumptions about arrogance, deceitfulness, pretentiousness, impulsiveness or what's "obvious" to anyone. A few of the questions speak to what must be your own disbelief that there can be anyone with his capabilities. One cannot assume that a "larger than life" personality is wrong or in some way a bad thing, though it does not preclude that. Without fully understanding the mind of the man, can anyone assume he is arrogant, pretentious, or any of the other attributes you ascribe to him? They say we are a reflection of those around us. His family are all very well-spoken and well mannered. They are a reflection of who he is at home, so that supports what I believe is his spiritual foundation. Look past what you see as arrogant and see confidence; past pretentiousness and see a wealthy man who lives well and doesn't allow his family to become jaded; past what you see as impulsiveness and see a clear thinking who is possibly many step ahead of most, also not necessarily bad. You could also be jealous of all of that. I'm just sayin'...

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      babjik 22 months ago

      Its a part of politics, not relates to mental or illness.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 22 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Our NJ media this day (8/4/2016) are reporting that The Donald is closing the Trump Taj Mahal after Labor Day. This is just the first of Trump's house of cards to fall.

      First of all Donald Trump is NOT now nor ever has been a politician. Anyone with a degree in Political Science knows that. That he rose to become a Republican candidate for the presidency is entirely the fault of a bunch of middle aged Tea Party attack dogs who thought loud mouths and no real substantiation would get past educated, older Americans.

      So now we are labeling Trump insane? Really? Anyone who has EVER worked with CEOs knows most of them believe they are the ultimate voice of power and control of the entire country. They use their wealth like an AR-15.

      And before the narrowest minds try to impress the rest of the sane world that WE, not they, are the ones who are insane, it is not working.

      All anyone has to do to prove what insanity really is, is to walk into any mental institution and you see the same mindsets of the control freaks of the world.

      There is a distinct problem with SOME, not all, of today's politicians. Many live in states where the state government has total control over education spending. Which basically means little or none. So you get extremists like Ryan, McConnell, Issa, Walker, Gowdy, Cotton and Chaffetz, who believe all we have to do is "obey."

      Now, of course, no senior citizen intends to do that for a very good reason: We do not need some Junior Johnny Jump up Corporate Sidling Attack Dog to make decisions for us.

      I've predicted for the past 3 months that Trump would be gone by August. Now that the Taj is closing, his house of cards will collapse thanks to his big mouth. No self-respecting business man in the entire world will ever trust him now.

      In a strange way, The Donald typifies the rise of fall of the American Robber Barons of Neoconservatism.

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      Jay C OBrien 22 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      At last there is someone who sees what I see, Mental Illness in politicians. Because I do not follow the speeches of Trump, I cannot take the poll. I am a proponent of having our elected leaders and candidates reviewed by the mental health community. This should have been done with Hitler based on a Mental Health Warrant. I invite you to read some of my articles concerning mental illness and leaders, "What do we know about the Alamo," "Patrick Henry and Mental Health," and more.

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      Frasermalaney 22 months ago

      Going back to the orginal question. Perhaps the question should be: Do ALL politicians have some form of mental illness? It's a hard question to answer because of the unique pressures of the role. There's also a lack of a control sample which makes it hard to tell what is "normal" behavior under such circumstances. Perhaps eccentricity is a normal response. I think Americans need to ask themselves: Is this form of eccentricity good for America? Is it good for the world?

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you everybody for reading this hub, commenting, and starting a good conversation on the subject.

      Yes, some of our POTUS' have had mental issues, none so bad as to stop being effective (unless Reagan's Alzheimer was impairing him at the end; some say it was.) However, Abraham Lincoln had severe bouts with depression (who could blame him) and both Kennedy and Nixon were on anxiety drugs.

      I know many people think Clinton is an inveterate liar (and untrustworthy), but I don't see it that way. Does Hillary lie, stretch the truth, exaggerate, twist facts? Yes she does. But I have watched politics and politicians nigh on 58 years (I got interested in politics at 10) and I can't tell a significant difference between Hillary and other politicians.

      There are three reasons this label has stuck with her.

      - One is is because she is a wonk and wonks cant' talk in sound-bites, they speak with more substance than many people can understand or absorb, hence they don't trust what she is saying is the truth.

      - The Right has spent tens of millions of dollars over the last 30 years trying to convince the world the Clinton's are liars and untrustworthy ... advertising works.

      - Clinton's own demeanor is her own worst enemy.

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      Larry Rankin 22 months ago from Oklahoma

      Wonderful analysis. When we use a term like mental illness it all depends how we define it.

      I think most political figures, good or bad, could be labeled as having some mental instability. The same is true of most humans.

      I understand your argument, and as much as I dislike Trump and find his behaviors bizarre, I don't think he is the kind of mentally ill that would exclude him from the presidency.

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      Doris James-MizBejabbers 22 months ago

      The only thing I would disagree with is the partial statement in No. 13 "He is charming", NOT! Perhaps he comes across that way to some people, but he makes me want to throw up. At first I thought he was amusing, but not so now. We've had a couple of presidents within the last 30 or so years who have had mental impairments, Reagan had Alztheimer's Disease, and Bush II was an alcoholic who was reported to be on antabuse, but they were well-liked and both seemed to have been kept under control, when needed, by a strong Republican Party. Today the party is in shambles, and there is doubt that they could exercise control over such a malignant narcissist. With so many anti-Hillary hubs and Q&A being published HubPages, I'm glad you are speaking out. This website seems to be turning into a religious fundamentalist right-wing website, and I am wondering if there are those of us who should move on and let them have it.

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      Old Poolman 22 months ago

      So our choices are now between a spoiled child and a chronic liar. What ever happened to all the really great people who used to run for this job and get nominated?

      Perhaps the job of POTUS is just not as appealing as it used to be and we are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for candidates?

      There were others running that in my opinion were far more qualified for the job than either of the two who made it through the cut.

      Just saying we could have done better.

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      Mel Carriere 22 months ago from San Diego California

      I would add that he is petulant. Just this morning I heard that Trump announced he is "not ready" to endorse Ryan and McCain in their respective campaigns, basically echoing the language Ryan and McCain used before eventually endorsing Trump. Whether Ryan and McCain should be endorsed is beside the point - what I am saying is that in doing this Donald is acting like a spoiled child. Do we want a spoiled child with his finger on the button? Great work.

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      I too think this is the craziest election on record, Mike. Although Hillary wasn't my first choice as a nominee I simply cannot abide Trump's treatment of other people. If he acted in the same manner as POTUS we'd be in a heap of trouble.

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      Old Poolman 22 months ago

      Randy - I have seen many elections in my lifetime, but none as weird as this one. It would seem we are once again forced to make a decision on the lesser of the evils before we cast our ballots.

      Perhaps the job of POTUS has become so difficult and impossible that no sane person would even consider the job?

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      I agree with you Mike about anyone having to be a bit off to want to be president, but Trump has taken it to a new level with his rhetoric and actions, especially his seemingly idiotic treatment of his own party members. It's like he really doesn't want the job after all. Go figure!

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      Old Poolman 22 months ago

      To some degree, all of us have mental problems to varying degrees. I'm not even sure who it was that drew the line between sane and insane, or what criteria they used to draw that line.

      I am of the opinion that most who would even consider taking the job of POTUS must be a little off balance to even consider such a job.

      We supposedly have a good check and balance system in place to prevent drastic actions by our POTUS, but I'm not sure they are working the way they were designed to work.

      There is also the possibility of us electing someone who appears to be perfectly sane by today's standards, and due to the constant pressures and frustrations of the job as POTUS they cross that fuzzy line and join the ranks of the insane.

      But you are absolutely correct that there is a huge risk in putting someone into this most powerful position who could be mentally unbalanced.

      I would be in favor of having a "probationary period" for all of our Politicians where they could be swiftly and easily removed from office if they become a serious threat.

      No matter who wins the election we can only hope they remain on the sane side of the line for their entire term in office.

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      My Esoteric 22 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      In my opinion, Trump is in a class by himself. Where the others you mention clearly are capable of running the country, maybe not the way you and I want, but they did (or could) rule in a sane manner. Thank you for reading and commenting, Randy.

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      Randy Godwin 22 months ago from Southern Georgia

      No doubt the Donald has problems. Are some of them mental? Once again, no doubt. I'd wager the majority of his followers voted for Dubya twice and for the McCain/Palin ticket as well. I have no respect for the opinions of those who did so and do not care for their input on any presidential candidate they pull for. As far as I'm concerned, they're not capable of making the correct choice.

      Enjoyed the hub!

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