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Answering Some Objections to the Protests in Madison

Updated on December 16, 2014

A Smaller --- But no Less Important --- Assembly of Protest Folks for Saturday, March 19, 2011

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I've Noticed Some Angry Objections to the Wisconsin Rally and Protest Against Scott Walker's "Budget Repair" Bill

Even some of my fellow Hubbers have expressed some outrage over the anti-Walker protests --- which have so far continued for over a month, although no longer inside the Capitol.

Those folks all have a perfect right to their opinion, and they have a right to have their opinion treated with respect. I would never say somebody is wrong simply because she or he disagrees with me. I would just say we disagree, but we can still be friends. (Please don't mistake this for the dreadful "Let's agree to disagree" baloney, popular among social workers with axes to grind, and others who have an agenda. They're not friends. But, I digress.)

But, I think it's always a matter of looking at the particular issue, and of looking at whether or not someone is really honest, sincere and acting in good faith.

Many folks have an ideology that they live by, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to that --- assuming it isn't causing harm..

But, the end can never justify the means.

When it comes to individual issues, we always have to make decisions by looking at the issue in context ---- and, not just whether or not it will promote a particular ideology.

Then again, some ideologies are based on bigotry and scapegoating. Bigotry and scapegoating are forms of hatred and discrimination. They are based on distortion of the true facts.

Hence, the importance of facts.

Always look to facts instead of interpretation of the facts. When you're looking to the facts, consider the source.

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Some Objections

  1. That the protesters are union thugs.
  2. That the protesters are from outside of Madison, or Wisconsin --- "outside agitators".
  3. The the protest damaged the Capitol building --- possibly to the tune of $7.5 million (later downgraded to $350k.)
  4. That the budget must be balanced, no matter what --- or disaster will ensue.
  5. That the protesters are an angry, out-of-control mob.
  6. That unions have bankrupted the private sector, and now public worker unions are running rampant over our government revenue and "taxpayers" --- therefore, causing the downfall of our once great and famous nation. (Okay, well, this isn't so much a criticism of the protest itself, but of the underlying rationale for the protests.)
  7. That only communists, terrorists and socialists talk about taxing the rich. Therefore, it must not be mentioned, or even thought of. It's like the elephant in the living room. (Same as number six parenthetical remark.)

Welcome to Fitzwalkerstan

"Welcome to Fitzwalkerstan"    It's pretty hard to see, but it is there. One of my other hubs  --- "Nightmare at Capitol Square:  Scotty's Revenge," also has a picture of a sign about Fitzwalkerstan. I don't think I can link to it from this caption.
"Welcome to Fitzwalkerstan" It's pretty hard to see, but it is there. One of my other hubs --- "Nightmare at Capitol Square: Scotty's Revenge," also has a picture of a sign about Fitzwalkerstan. I don't think I can link to it from this caption. | Source

"Assembly Bill 40 . . .

Eliminates Environmental Studies; Eliminates Renewable Energy Loans."
Eliminates Environmental Studies; Eliminates Renewable Energy Loans." | Source

1. The Protesters are Thugs Paid by Unions

Not even close.

It's a true, organic, working-class movement, led by the people.

It actually got started when Scott Walker announced --- on Friday, February 11 --- what would be in the bill.

There was a big Badger game coming up over the weekend. Some folks have suggested that Walker perhaps hoped the game would distract people's attention from his terrible news.

On Monday, February 14, many people showed up at the Capitol to protest against the bill's harshness. There was a public hearing for people to voice their objections. Many waited all evening for their turn to speak at the public hearing.

Also on February 14, Walker sent a letter to Marty Biele, president of the Dane County AFSCME local, announcing that the budget repair bill would release the state from its obligations under the collective bargaining agreement.

While people were still waiting to speak at the hearing, somebody announced that the hearing was over. No more comments from the public. But, there were still lots of folks waiting in line.

They were about to leave when a college girl grabbed the microphone and told them not to give up and just walk away like that. She got the folks energized, and the whole thing just happened by itself.

The folks who had been waiting to speak at the public hearing did not leave, and the hearing stayed open for more than a week.

That was the original reason for the protest and sleep-in --- or whatever you want to call it.

Recently, there was a labor "teach-in" at a local Methodist church.

Jim Cavanaugh, president of the South Central Wisconsin Federation of Labor said that the union bosses didn't know anything about the protest in Madison at first, and they do not know what to expect next. They were trying to learn from the protesters. They don't know what will happen next. They are waiting to find out.

Many union workers are showing up at the protests in solidarity, but they aren't getting paid by their locals for that. They're here on their own ---- just like the Department of Corrections worker I quote in my earlier hub.

On that other hub, I also quote a seventy-two year old retired teacher, complaining about being called "a thug."

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"Out, Out, Damn Scott"
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2. The Protesters are Outside Agitators

After this became an issue, many started carrying signs telling where they were from. Most protesters seemed to be from Wisconsin, actually.

Not that there's much science to it.

I'm certainly from Madison. My kids and I moved here in 1983. My youngest was born here in 1991, and two of my grandkids were born here, as well.

Of course people were also coming from all over.

They were also ordering pizzas from all over, as well.

Even Antarctica.

Ian's Pizza --- about a half block from the Capitol --- kept bringing pizzas over for the protesters to eat. One day the Ian's Pizza delivery guy announced there had been orders from --- I don't know how many states, perhaps twenty seven --- plus more than fifty foreign countries --- "even Antarctica".

I was there the day the guy made the announcement. I couldn't see him. I was up on the higher level, but I did hear him. Apparently John Nichol must have heard him, as well, because he mentions it in his article for The Nation magazine, "The Spirit of Wisconsin".

People are interested in this all over the world because many feel that they have to push back against what is a kind of creeping fascism. This might be the people's last chance to push back.

During the prank phone call --- when Walker thought he was talking to a billionaire contributor, but it was really a blogger in New York (calling via Skype, no less ?!?) --- Walker stated that he was well aware that once Wisconsin workers lost their rights to bargain collectively, the rest of the states would fall like dominoes. (Back in the cold war days, we knew "the domino effect" was to be avoided, not pursued. But, I digress.)

Scott Walker claimed that his emails are overwhelmingly in favor of the budget repair bill. When a local journalist asked to see those emails, the governor's office refused. Then the court ordered them to release those alleged emails based on the Freedom of Information Act complaint filed by a local journalist.

Turns out most of the emails that support Walker are from out of state. Not only that, but most of them started around the time he made the announcement that he was getting more favorable than unfavorable emails. Before that, the anti-Walker emails were leading.

Hmmmm . . . go figure.

2(b) The Real Outside Agitators

The Koch Brothers --- Charles and David, are the real outside agitators.

They bought the election for Scott Walker in November of 2010.

Right after he was elected, they set up a lobbying office on Capitol Square ---- across from our beloved state Capitol Building.

They will be buying thirty Wisconsin generating plants for one dollar ($1) each, if the bill somehow continues.

Of course, we're hoping that doesn't happen. There are many challenges on many fronts, to make sure it doesn't happen.

Whether you are in Wisconsin or not, please get involved. Everybody can do something, even if it's just talking to folks. I've included a few links on this Hub, and many more on my two earlier Hubs: AFSCME and the Wisconsin St. Valentine's Day Massacre; and The Nightmare at Capitol Square ~ Scotty's Revenge.


March 19, 2011

3. The Protest Caused Damage to the Capitol Building

This allegation goes with the ones about union thugs and outside agitators. Taken together, these three things combine to create the mistaken impression that the protests or rallies are lawless, angry, out-of-control and created by some lunatic fringe.

On the contrary, the protesters and rally folks are trying to stand up to the lunatic fringe that has taken over our state.

They are the outsiders.

They are the thugs.

They are the angry extremists.

They are the lawless ones.

The $7.5 million figure got started by the director of the Wisconsin Department of Administration --- a Walker appointee. I remember wondering where the heck that figure came from. Because nothing at the Capitol is different.

I've lived in Madison since 1983, and I walk through or to go the Capitol several times a month, at least. My son learned to crawl on its marble steps. He's nineteen now.

That amount was soon downgraded to $350k.

Well, getting warmer, --- but still ---- for what?

There was an information station set up inside the Capitol. They told us to be sure to not use regular tape on the marble walls to hang our signs. We would have to get a special blue tape from the information station. As far as I know, that's what everybody did. All signs were hung with the special blue tape. It was a kind of crinkly blue paper tape.

I found out from an article in a local newspaper last week that it's painter's tape. Didn't know it had a name.

That same article said that a Wisconsin masonry and stone expert --- who does contracting with the state --- claimed there's no damage at all, except perhaps a little caused by media taping their cords to the floor.

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This Ain't It."
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Signs at Local Businesses

Savoir Faire supports working families. Quizno's signs are too small to read, but they were all in support of the rally. Who says entrepreneurs can't support union workers?
Savoir Faire supports working families. Quizno's signs are too small to read, but they were all in support of the rally. Who says entrepreneurs can't support union workers? | Source

4. The Budget Must Be Balanced, or Disaster Will Ensue

First, this is not true.

I was talking to a guy from Milwaukee --- where Scott Walker was county executive before the Koch Brothers bought the gubernatorial election for him. He said this was always the theme of his administration in Milwaukee County. The sky is falling, the sky is falling --- that's how this gentleman characterized Walker's "budget" rhetoric.

Walker fired people with experience and expertise, in order to give county jobs to his cronies. He tried to start up a political office in a county building.

Walker only got twenty percent of the vote in Milwaukee County, in the gubernatorial November 2010 election. Milwaukee County voters were the ones who knew him the most. They voted for him the least.

Second, if it were true, the best way to balance the budget would be to tax the rich. Their tax burden has been going down for a few years. The deficit could be fixed immediately if the richest would pay their fair share --- or even as much as they did three years ago.

On Saturday, February 19, 2011, I ran into two retired teachers who had driven up from Chicago in order to join the protest and rally. We discussed the rally a little bit in a coffee shop on the square. They had only come for a few hours, and were going to drive right back.

They said it was a false economy to just look at the budget as if it were a "zero-sum" game. The main resources available are the work, labor and energy of the people. Those things create the resources that can balance the budget.

I said I recalled a history instructor who told us that all governments always run a deficit. It's nothing unusual. They agreed with this former instructor of mine. I don't really know enough about this to have an opinion.

But, I don't think Scott Walker has a degree in economics, either. He has no degree at all. He suddenly left Marquette University before his last semester. Some folks say he was caught cheating.

Another way to stimulate the economy is to raise the minimum wage. When was the last time that happened in this country? It used to be an annual event. But, I guess I'm just telling my age when I talk like that.

Proud Union Member

This guy holds a sign saying which Teamsters local he belongs to.  That doesn't mean the local paid him to go there. It  means he's there to show support for his fellow workers in the public sector, even though he's a private sector worker.
This guy holds a sign saying which Teamsters local he belongs to. That doesn't mean the local paid him to go there. It means he's there to show support for his fellow workers in the public sector, even though he's a private sector worker. | Source

March 19, 2011

A sign that didn't show up too well. Lots of folks there, though.
A sign that didn't show up too well. Lots of folks there, though. | Source

5. The Protesters are an Angry, Out-of-Control Mob

Also delineated in numbers one, two and three, above.

Actually, I have lived in Madison for twenty eight (28) years, and I've seen people gather for many sports events, protests, Halloween Freak Fests, graduations, plays, operas, speeches, political campaigns --- you name it.

I have really never seen such courtesy, kindness, consideration and thoughtfulness as I have at this rally and protest. During the week I stayed at the Capitol --- from February 17 thru February 24th --- it was sometimes so crowded in the rotunda, you couldn't move without stepping on someone's feet.

Nevertheless, one person would say, "Oh, excuse me. I'm so sorry."

The other one would say, "Hey, no problem. My fault. I'm sorry."

Not just once or twice, but all the time --- the whole week. And, in fact, even now, ever since. There are still rallies going on every day and evening. Mostly, they pick up on the weekends, though.

Even though parking has been scarce on some days, everyone has been incredibly patient, polite, tolerant. (Madisonians are very polite anyway, but sometimes the out of town folks aren't so much.) Everyone walking down the street, or parking their cars has some sort of anti-Walker sign. (Not that pro-Walker folks would be mistreated. That's what democracy is about. They have a right, as well.)

There's a feeling that we're all in it together.

Hence, the one sign that said, "Hey, Scotty, thanks for bringing us all together. You can go now."

Saturday, March 19, 2011
Saturday, March 19, 2011

6.(a) That unions have bankrupted the private sector, and now they want to do the same to "taxpayers". Part 1.


Public workers who belong to a union ARE taxpayers. I don't understand why pundits keep repeating the mantra: "Public union members vs. Taxpayers."

Could it be a "divide and conquer" strategy?

Average citizens scapegoating other average citizens?

That's how racism was invented in the first place. And, we all know what a great success racism has been, and how productive it has been for our country.


Saturday, March 19, 2011
Saturday, March 19, 2011

Recall Walker. Kill the Bill

This is what democracy looks like.
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6.(b) Unions Causing Bankruptcy of Private Sector. Part 2

Well, this is an especially pernicious little fairy tale, because it transposes cause with effect. The elements are there, but it's a kind of anagram of the true story.

Actually, what really happened is that corporations started taking their factories to foreign countries in search of lower taxes and anti-union legislation. Corporations actually made preconditions with certain third-world governments.

The government would enact laws prohibiting union organizing before the American or European companies would move their factories to that country. In the meantime --- as part of the same process --- the people would be deprived of their sustainability because of erosion of topsoil and destruction of the local environment.

These things together meant the destruction of the local society, culture and way of life.

So, the U.S. and European companies had a complete, ready-made wage-slave system in place before that factory even opened.

It's pretty much like London in the time of Charles Dickens. Everybody agrees that time was very bad for Londoners.

London is no longer like that --- But, it hasn't gone away.

It just moved away from London.

As far as bankruptcy goes, these corporations first moved their factories to the third-world, undeveloped countries. Then, made the third-world country's people dependent on the factory jobs "provided".

After that, THEN they proceeded to declare bankruptcy at home in order to raid the pension funds of the few workers who may have been left in the few union jobs left in this country.

Union workers bankrupted corporations?


Corporations deliberately declared bankruptcy in order to avoid paying their debts. At the same time, they obtained low taxes and cheap labor overseas.

Actually, it's a little euphemistic to say "cheap labor". It's really slavery, because the people have already been deprived of any other options.

Sometimes --- well, usually --- the local military gets involved, as well, but that's a whole different sub-topic.

7. Never Discuss Taxing the Rich. It's Heresy.

One percent of the people control seventy percent of the resources and wealth.

Big Surprise!!

I actually am very fond of Walker's pro-life record.

I still feel the same way about all the above issues, though.

Our country does not have enough young people. If we had more young people, perhaps many of these above issues would be resolved.

Yes, I guess I'm crazy.

Isn't everyone?

Well, this is still the U.S.A.


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    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Au fait, I'm so sorry. You are right. That IS the reason they're not showing. I didn't even know about that.

      I do have others that are unpublished, but they don't show up in the total at all. DOH! So sorry, and thanks for the information. I don't always understand these weird things that I click.

      Thanks again. That is really good to know about. I had no clue.

      And, yes, I do have to go over them to see if I can perk them up a little. "Idled" means they have that little half black and half white circle, right? Wow, you taught me something very valuable here, kiddo!

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      4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Au Fait, Thanks for revisiting and for sharing.

      Those other five hubs were unpublished by me. They were not idled.

      Thanks, though.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 

      4 years ago

      Great Article! You have presented yourself well.

      The Koch Brothers have the money to "legally" pull strings and make things go their way. Of course , they don't live in a vacuum, and so there are many riding the gravy train who have a vested interest in their overall success.

      The poor and the working class only have the right to protest, and to vote for change. But other than a cathartic release, we must wonder what long lasting change can really come about through the so-called "peaceful protest". Does anybody remember the late 60's? The sit ins, the anti-war marches, the civil rights movement etc.. What good has come of all that protest. The Imperialist policies of the United States have continued unabated,and a disproportionate amount of Africans are still living in the impoverished inner cities.

      As far as voting is concerned, within the current corrupt system, the popular vote is about as useful as a "Nine Inch Nail" , since everybody knows that size doesn't really matter. A large turnout for a candidate who is secretly on the same side as his opponent is rather useless.

      Neville Chamberlin proved to the world that a tyrant cannot be appeased. If a "peacful protest" could have toppled the Nazi Regime, then why did so many Americans have to die during the Normandy Invasion? Why does anyone think it can be any different now?

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      C E Clark 

      4 years ago from North Texas

      Came back to revisit this article and share it with followers.

      Beyond this specific article, may I make a recommendation to you? I note that you have published 32 hubs, yet only 27 are visible and available here on your profile page to be read.

      To correct that, go to your profile page. Click on "Edit Profile." Go to almost the bottom of that page where it says "Show only Featured Hubs on my profile:" Click on the 'NO' box and then all of your hubs will be visible again on your profile page.

      I realize they have been idled, which is why they aren't showing, but that's no reason not to make them available for readers interested in them. After all your work of writing them, let people who wish to read them do so. The advertising remains on them, so benefit all you can from them even though they are not currently indexed by Google.

      The reason hubs are idled is because they do not get enough traffic. It isn't because they are defective. While it never hurts to edit and re-edit one's work for spelling and grammar errors, etc. (one's own eyes never seem able to find them all, but going over it again and again is helpful), the main thing is to use words in your title that someone might use if they were searching for information like the info in that specific hub. Ask yourself what words would you use if you were searching for this info. Use those words in your title.

      Snappy titles look great on the news stand and on a magazine you have just purchased, but people using the Google search box aren't going to try to think those up when they're searching for your information. Use those splashy cool titles for your capsule headings instead.

      So what I'm saying here is that titles matter for search purposes. Changing the title to reflect the contents of the hub may affect the popularity of the hub, but the main reason a hub gets idled is because of little or no traffic.

      Otherwise do everything you can to get your hubs traffic. Promote your hubs whenever you get the opportunity, but also make them available to people who visit your profile. I visit people's profiles all the time looking for a hub that interests me. It's my way of saying thank you for taking time to read and comment on my hub. I realize that when someone comments, or especially if they share one of my hubs with their followers, that hub gets exposure and it may be just what is needed to make it successful.

      Wishing you great success!

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Yes, I don't have email on there yet. I might get an email just for HP?

      Yes, thanks for the link. I appreciate that. I've been wondering about it.

      Thanks so much, Au fait. Keep writing.

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      C E Clark 

      4 years ago from North Texas

      I would have preferred to send you a private email, but that option doesn't seem to be available on your profile page.

      This isn't related to this article but to your suggestion about breaking my article up. This seems to be a new forum discussion and I thought you might find it of interest. Feel free to delete this message if you like, once you've gotten the info from it that is useful. Appreciate very much the time you've taken for me. Have a good night . . .

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Thanks for reading my Hub, and for commenting. Yes, I think he has the Koch Brothers going for him. Let's just pray they all have changes of heart and recognize that the earth and the workers are not their resources to be exploited at whim.

      Thanks again, Paul.

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      4 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Thanks so much for your kind and accurate comments, Au fait.

      I do agree with all that you say. I think perhaps it is the Koch Brothers influence.

      Yes, of course, they will be much happier with sweat-shop conditions. I think it all started when these good U.S. companies started closing up shop to move to countries where unions are illegal.

      Obama said he would start taxing those companies, but I haven't seen it yet.

      However, I hope you are following the Wal-Mart employees' Black Friday protest. I certainly am. Also, here in Dane County, our $10 minimum - wage referendum passed. Unfortunately, it's only advisory, not mandatory! But, who knows? If enough people and county officials support it, I don't think Walker can really stop the.

      Thanks again for commenting and reading my Hub.

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      Paul Richard Kuehn 

      4 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand

      Thanks for sharing an excellent article about Scott Walker and the protests. Living in Thailand, I have not followed this issue. Scott Walker must have something going from him to survive a recall vote and to be recently reelected again.

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      C E Clark 

      4 years ago from North Texas

      It's a common practice for people like the Koch brothers to hire people to pose as members of the protesters and to do all manner of damage and get into brawls and fights so to make the authentic protesters look bad. It's one of the ways they discredit sincere, honest, hard working people who are trying to make things better for everyone.

      I was so disappointed when Walker survived the recall. He is such a mean spirited, sexist, imbecile. I was really hoping that the people would rise up and that liberals would find their spines and turn things around all over the country, but it was not to be.

      I was born and grew up in Central Wisconsin. My father was a union man and the union was good. I realize all unions are not the same any more than all of anything else is the same, but overall unions made things better far more than they did any harm.

      Here in Texas, and I'm betting throughout the South, unions have no teeth. They mostly take your money and you're no better off than if there was no union.

      It's a shame, but it seems to me the unions are broken. Some people won't be happy until Americans are working in sweat shops just like people in other countries and people who come here illegally. With wages so low, and terrible conditions in the workplace, things have really gone down hill in this country. It's been my experience that workers no longer have any rights. For employers, anything goes.

      Glad you wrote about this issue. It needs airing out. Voted up, interesting, and will share with my followers.

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      7 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Thanks for stopping by, and for commenting. Yes, it is definitely true. I've also replied to your question in the comments section of the Hub. I should write an entire Hub about this issue, really. Any other Hubber is also welcome. The more, the merrier, right?

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      7 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Yes, it is true.

      Activists always kind of knew it, but lately there has been some --- what is it? --- a study , poll or something -- that proves it definitely. It was in the paper recently. I'm trying to remember where. I'll send the cite to you when I find it.

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      7 years ago from Florida

      Love this hub!! Is it true that most of Scott Walkers financial support has come from outside of Wisconsin?

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Yes, I agree, Ben. And, that guy, Prosser sounds really scary. First, he calls the Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court a "b--ch" --- on TV?

      Now, he's whining and having a hissy fit about the recount. He wants to know the "motivation" for it. Well, what's HIS motivation?


      Thanks for your nice comments, though. Keep in touch, ok? We have a whole bunch of more protesting to do, kiddo. I have to write more hubs about what's been going on and all.

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      Ben Zoltak 

      8 years ago from Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin USA

      Kathy Nicholson said she forgot to save data on the Access computer program that automatically saves data, so she's clearly lying, and she ratted out previous Republicans when she was last caught in an election scandal. Nicholson will hopefully serve a prison sentence this time. I pray they turn up the heat on her again so she tells what really happened.

      Anyway, I was just enjoying rereading your piece, as you said:

      "When it comes to individual issues, we always have to make decisions by looking at the issue in context ---- and, not just whether or not it will promote a particular ideology."

      Indeed. Since Wisconsin Republicans were crying fraud when it looked like Kloppenburg won, then they started saying "let democracy work" when it looked like Prosser won, I'd say the recount is not only justified, but required to reestablish faith in our voting system on both sides of the aisle.

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Thanks so much, Ben.

      Yes, there is a lot you won't hear from FOX --- or any mainstream news, really. For one thing, they all keep trying to prejudice the people against us with all this "angry mob" rhetoric. They even showed some footage --- allegedly from Wisconsin --- of an actual angry mob, fighting and shouting.

      There were palm trees in the background.

      So --- many protesters now carry little plastic palm trees around, or tape them to the signs. LOL Or, some folks have those blow-up palm trees.

      Yes, I think Kloppenburg will be elected on Tuesday. I certainly hope so, anyway. BTW, the tea party folks have a big national website designed especially for the Tuesday election ---- asking people to donate to make sure Prosser wins.

      So, --- please please please, be sure all Wisconsinites vote.

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      Ben Zoltak 

      8 years ago from Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin USA

      Kudos Huntgoddess, you have delivered a well written and well informed piece here. I especially enjoyed:

      "They will be buying thirty Wisconsin generating plants for one dollar ($1) each, if the bill somehow continues.

      Of course, we're hoping that doesn't happen. There are many challenges on many fronts, to make sure it doesn't happen."

      There's information you won't hear on Fox News. All of the lies and propaganda perpetuated by the wealthy Koch brothers and others against the working people of Wisconsin is appalling. Every income bracket of our great democratic republic has had to make sacrifices during this recession except for one, and now that opulent layer chooses to scold and punish working people.

      I hope we turn this around with the election of Kloppenburg on April 5, at least Walker and Fitzgerald won't be able to threaten elected officials with police officers if we have supreme court rulings against the laws they've broken.


      Ben Zoltak

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Tmckim: Thanks for saying my article is written well. That's so nice of you, especially since you disagree with what it says.

      Some of us ---- perhaps most of us in Wisconsin --- think that the billionaire Koch brothers are the spoiled brats, along with Scott Walker and the Fitzgerald brothers.

      Well, I guess "spoiled brats" is one of the more polite things to call them. They're trying to execute a _coup_ here in Wisconsin.

      I repeat: Union member ARE taxpayers. Why does everyone keep saying otherwise?

      But, regardless of what anyone thinks, the issue is whether the democratic process has been followed properly here, with the alleged "passage" of this alleged "bill". That is based upon those pesky old FACTS, again --- which are now before the Court of Appeals.

      Then, there is an election for state supreme court on Tuesday, April 5. If you are registered, be sure to vote. If you are not registered, please do so now. There are also two referendum questions on the bill.

      Those questions relate to whether money is speech --- that, obviously, has something to do with purchasing elections. Our local movement is South Central Wisconsin Move to Amend, but there's a national Move to Amend, as well. It's at movetoamend dot org, in case you are interested in learning more.

      As far as "a fixed game" --- well, that's what a contract IS. That's why signatories enter into contracts. They WANT a fixed game --- i.e., stabilized relations. They also want to be fair.

      If you're not a registered Democrat, and you don't want money going to unions because you think that will go to the Democratic Party, that's fine.

      There's a process for dealing with that. There are procedures for lobbying your legislators, and making yourself heard.

      The United States was basically founded by people who didn't want to be ruled by monarchs. But, these billionaires and their cronies are establishing a monarchy. The only difference is that it's not based on inheritance.

    • tmckim profile image


      8 years ago

      Denise. A very well written article. What it comes down to for me is that for many years it was a fixed game for Public Unions. They were negotiating with their partners. Now, there has been a change and Gov. Walker is looking out for millions of taxpayers as opposed to a small group of spoiled brats.

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Thanks so much, Denise. I gotta get noisemakers and signmaking stuff,though. Next week there will be an especially big rally, because of that state supreme court election --- and the referendum on campaign "donations" (i.e., price tags).

      Yes, I knew they would be biased. I just felt bad for my poor son. He wanted to tell the world what a cool thing the protesters were doing ---- standing up for the U.S.A., and democracy, and how wonderful it all was. Instead . . .

      But, either way, there's no need to lose one's youthful idealism, right?

      Thanks, Denise.

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      Denise Handlon 

      8 years ago from North Carolina

      Rally on, girl! And, thanks for keeping us informed. Too bad about Fox news. It figures! They are so biased.

    • Huntgoddess profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Midwest U.S.A.

      Wow, thanks for all the great comments, you fellow Hubbers. I'm really flattered. I rarely get comments on my Hubs.

      Fay: Yes, you're right. They really are misinformed, but look at who controls the media. These media have all had their own union issues. They're not going to tell the truth.

      You know, Fay, I never thought of that, but you're right. It really doesn't matter where the protesters are from. They still have a right to protest. We did have some TEA folks here one day. They didn't have much to say, really : "Go, Scotty, go." that was about it. LOL Thanks again, Fay.

      HSchneider: Thanks so much for the nice comments about the protesters. They have been inspiring folks all over the world with their kindness, generosity and admirable behavior. As the protesters frequently chant, "This is what democracy looks like."

      Hey, VV68: Thanks so much, and yes, you are right, except for one thing: --- they THINK it's only the beginning, but we're hoping it will actually be the end of their evil scheme. [Don't mess with the badger! When I first moved to Wisconsin, somebody was telling me a badger never gives up, and is really mean. A badger can even kill a bear. --- Hope I never meet a real one LOL --- but, great metaphor, don't you think?] Thanks for the kind words.

      William F. Torpey: You know, that is a good point. I was thinking about all the people all over the world who have had to become their own media, because the "professional" (for lack of a better term) media is all owned by ---- well, we know who, don't we? And, yes, you're right --- maybe that's one of the most important things about Hubpages.

      Denise Handlon: Thanks so much for your nice comment. I agree that they don't really understand how significant it is. It WILL affect them if this goes through. That's why it's so important to stop it right now and right here. Perhaps Wisconsin is better-equipped to do that than other states.

      The first night we stayed at the Capitol, a reporter from FOX (well, okay --- I didn't expect much from them anyway) interviewed my son. She asked what he thought of the protest and rally. He said, "I've never been so proud to be an American. I think this is wonderful."

      So, when they showed the footage on the news, it just showed his face --- no audio --- and a voiceover saying, "This person probably won't be affected by the budget bill."

      That's just such a silly thing to say. Everybody will be affected by it.

      Well, I better get up to the protest for today (Saturday, March 25, 2011) and take some more pix. Thanks again, all you Hubbers, and check back soon for more. It isn't over yet --- and won't be, til we take back our state.

    • Denise Handlon profile image

      Denise Handlon 

      8 years ago from North Carolina

      Well written. VV68 is right-WI is only the beginning. The uninformed do not realize that complacency is a dangerous thing. For those who sit idly by and think it has nothing to do with them they are sadly mistaken. It is our right, as U.S. citizens, to be able to voice our disagreement with a 'policy' that will effect us, and our livliehood. It is our right, also, to organize and convene to make our point known.

      People who are upset by this protest have no clue the significance of what is going on. It is only a matter of time before its poison spreads to other states and affects the work force in other towns.

      Thanks for an eye opening hub. Unfortunately, those who disagree will continue to disagree and will not see the truth of your facts.

    • William F. Torpey profile image

      William F Torpey 

      8 years ago from South Valley Stream, N.Y.

      Good work, Huntgoddess. We don't have the Koch brothers' money, but at least we have HubPages as a forum to tell it like it really is.

    • vietnamvet68 profile image


      8 years ago from New York State

      Wisconsin is only the beginning look what is happening to the Unions all over the country. The Right is out to destroy us all.

      Great write.

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      Howard Schneider 

      8 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Thank you for clearing up all of those points. There is so much misinformation out there especially from the Far Right. The Union protestors have been admirable in their actions. They have inspired the whole country and shown what the Koch brothers and their minions are up to. Great Hub. I agree with all of your points. This is a conspiracy to destroy unions and the Democrats all over the country. They must be stopped now and in 2012.

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      Fay Paxton 

      8 years ago

      Excellent article. Voted up and very useful.

      The biggest problem we have in the country right now is that people are so blatantly misinformed. Even sadder, many have absolutely no use for facts.

      I don't see that it matters who the Wisconsin protesters are or where they came from, they have as much right to protest as the Tea Party had.


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