Sick of the Lies

ISIS would be foolish to not use an opening like this to get into our country and they are far from foolish.

Try this http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/mike-mccaul-visa-...

That last comment was a test. I guess I have been found not-guilty by the HP censorship crew.

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Latest Breaking News on the Syrian refugees:

U.S. intelligence officials have learned that ISIS terrorists are using President Barack Obama's effort to welcome thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States as a way to enter the country themselves, House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul says.

Well GOOOOLLLLLY, Sargent Carter, Thanks be to President Obama!

Read Latest Breaking News: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/mike-mccaul-visa-...

"Liberal morality?" That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Rather than a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction why not call it liberal moronity! Liberals have no true morality, what they have is a moronic philosophy, the end justifies the means eradicates any sense of morality.

The new liberal morality is almost a mirror image of traditional American morality in which things like abortion are moral and opposing it is immoral. Just about every traditional American value is now upside down, so lying is good, and telling the truth is bad if you're a liberal like Hillary. However, that standard is just the opposite if you're a conservative.

Liberals do not have double standards because there's no way they will limit themselves to just two.

pop...The only protection we have or defense against all the continual deceit from politicians is our own common sense and diligence. Far too many Americans fail to pay attention and become "informed."

It's becoming more and more difficult to know where to find truth and facts. No matter where we turn it seems there are lies and more lies to cover up for the liars.

We no longer need to ask, "Can intelligent, rational adults actually BELIEVE this garbage?" Well, Hillary has staunch supporters, doesn't she? This all astounds me. "Denial" is a terribly frightening thing but it's rampant.

What will we be discussing approximately a year from now? That question causes me enormous anxiety.

Excellent and devastating summation, bp, of some of the lies and untruths American citizens have been subjected to since our leader ascended the throne. He is more concerned with the rights of foreign immigrants than the problems his lack of leadership and achievement has caused our country.

Ok, but what about the Russians?

Awesome research on your part tsad.

BP I looked into this and guess what, Washington Post’s fact checker, Glenn Kessler. He addressed Trump’s claim here, and, calling it “outrageous,” awarded it FOUR PINOCCHIOS.

Kessler wrote:

Trump says that he saw this with his own eyes on television and that it was well covered. But an extensive examination of news clips from that period turns up nothing. There were some reports of celebrations overseas, in Muslim countries, but nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey.

This assertion is astonishing, because it means that Kessler is ignorant–or pretends to be–of his own newspaper’s reporting. The Washington Post, on September 18, 2001, wrote:

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river. thehttp://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/wash...

So much for the credibility of the Washington Post fact checker! See, the liberal media lies whenever they can if they want to take someone down, you can not trust them, fact checkers or "investigative" (ha ha) reporters, they are just a wing of the Democrat cabal.

BP, you hear that Tom Brokaw called your son in law a LIAR? Yeah he has a blurb running daily on radio stations and on NBC’s “Meet the Press, journalist Tom Brokaw said, “... When Donald Trump says he saw in Jersey City thousands of people cheering the World Trade Center coming down, completely wrong. It did not happen. He didn’t see it. But who’s there to challenge him on that?”

On the radio he repeatedly calls Trump (and therefore your son in law) a LIAR. Let your son in law know Tom Brokaw is calling him a LIAR.

Funny I don't remember Brokaw blabbing all over that Obama lied when he said you can keep your doctor and health plan if you want! What charlatan hypocrites the liberal media and hacks like him really are.

suzettenaples - Most of us have every intention of living a long and happy life with the emphasis on "Long". You too have a Happy Thanksgiving and I know you will.

It is not about being right, it is about how to live a life. That is why I said, everyone chooses how to live their lives. Happy Thanksgiving.

"Playing what if" is a sophomoric way to look at the problem. National security is not a game we play! The thing to fear is when we ignore doing something about a threat that is staring us in the face (911 was staring us in the face and we could have done something about it if we took the "what if" seriously - we didn't)

Being vigilant, responsibly handling a threat, isn't living in constant fear, it keeps us from being in fear.

A wise person plans for the worst and hopes it never happens. To stick your head in the sand and pretend there is no threat is just wrong in my opinion. As long as there is even one radical terrorist sworn to kill us left on the planet this will not be a safe and secure world.

Even without the terrorism threat this is not a safe and secure world. I suggest you contact your local police department and see if you can ride with one of their officers one night on a weekend. Your view of our "safe and secure" world will be much different after that experience.

If we play "what if" all the time, we never move forward and remain frozen with fear. I don't choose to live a life of constant fear, but you can live yours anyway you want to.

Yeah, you can't know a terrorist is here until they commit an act of terror. One of the terrorists in France was a refugee!

If "No terrorists have come to the U.S. with Syrian or other refugees" what makes you think allowing more refugees to come will keep it that way?

AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic...

suzettenaples - You know this to be a fact or hoping this is true? For the sake of all the citizens of this country I hope you are correct.

No terrorists have come to the U.S. with Syrian or other refugees. They have come in on visas or tourist passports. We are not catching them at our Ports of Call but they are not entering the U.S. with refugees. I don't have a problem with single men coming as refugees either. Just because they are single does not mean they are terrorists or will become terrorists. Thanks for breakfast.

He hated the military before that. Remember all these LIES he told?

"[American troops in Vietnam] personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, [blew] up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to...the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. ... There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed...." --John Kerry in his 1971 testimony before Congress

http://media.patriotpost.us/img/ref/stuck_in_irak....

tsadjatko - Kerry hates the Military because the Swift Boat guys exposed him as a phoney over his Purple Heart.

BP

I used to do the same thing, but TIVO or any DVR is serenity now.

More Jelly Donuts, Yum.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

BP

I agree, and I have mentioned the mind control several times, but the hp is filled with "liberal" thinkers that don't see it.

I have TIVO, so I fast forward through the 3 minute commercial breaks.

It saves me 20 minutes on an hour show.

Don't look for the Jelly Donuts, they were delicious.

Thanks

Mike, when one considers the way the Veterans Hospital and our Government treats vets it is obvious they are considered by the "elite" (like Secretary of State John Kerry who said they are nothing but stupid for being in the military, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPYVdV6WzwM ) the government establishment honestly considers them nothing more than necessary collateral damage, they are written off. Anything else these politicians like Kerry say about it is pure lip service, they could care less.

Perhaps there are just not enough votes available to make it worth helping our Vets? There are far more votes to be had by granting amnesty to millions of illegals.

All politicians lie about something. Each one has a scewed take on the "truth." That is the nature of the beast. And they have been lying since the beginning of time. As for refugees, I had a unique experience substitute teaching for an ESL (English as a second language) high school class. There were children who were refugees from Iraq, Yemen, Burma, Nepal, and others from China, Uzbekistan, Ukraine. Two of the girls are Muslim and wear the hijabs. There families are here looking for a better life for their children, and some a life at all. I could not look one of those children in the eyes and not want them to be here. Granted there were none from Syria, but I would take children from Syria too. The vetting process is very thorough and very strict here in the U.S. The chances of a Syrian terrorist getting into the U.S. is slim to none. I would not want to keep out thousands of families, especially those with children, out of fear. Those children have a lot to offer our country and are working hard at learning English and assimilating into our culture. At the same time they are very proud of their heritages and shared information about their countries and their cultures with me. It was one of the best experiences I have ever had . I was able to understand what these people go through. Two of the boys were born in refugee camps in Burma and grew up there until their middle school and high school years. I would not wish that on any child or family.

With all of the bleeding heart activity regarding Syrian refugees has anyone lately mentioned the approximately 50,000 homeless veterans in this country?

I would say these unfortunate individuals have been well vetted and have more than paid their dues to this country.

Sorry for being off topic but I just had to throw this into the mix.

Well I am surprised (and pleased) at the Democrats not wanting anyone on the terror list buying guns but it just highlights the fact this administration failed to look at or bring up that while after our weapons. No they didn't know it, seems they don't know a lot until it looks to be a great political tool.

BP

Thank you for this slice of reality, and how so many people are on a reality free diet. It is another instance in a long line of instances where the media has been caught manipulating reality, so it doesn't interfere with their cloud of distortion.

The media over the last several decades has transformed real news into a mind molding circus of opinions, and misdirection to serve the clandestine and ulterior motives of their owners.

The New in the News is that, it is no longer the news, in fact, it is so filled with non news that we need a new name for it. In the 1950s, the public was for the purpose of getting them to buy products subjected to subliminal suggestions at the movies. Once it was discovered, it eventually became illegal, but today the media has brought it back on steroids. Instead of controlling the minds of people for the purpose of selling products, today the media uses it to sculpture the American Government with their choices for who should be elected by the People. Yet, the People have been bathed in the New News for decades, so they aren't even aware that they are now the slaves of the media. Oops, I started to sound like those US protesters in the park talking about Space Aliens.

Well, anyway, I have time to finish this before my Intergalactic ride arrives to take me back to my home planet for Thanksgiving.

Back to the topic, the loyal party voters, the party, and the media are the three players in electing who serves in the Congress and Presidency. Yet, one of them is totally in the dark as to what they are doing, and how they have put conditioning in place of intelligence.

Can you guess which of these three that it might fit?

The refugee scenario is somewhat like the hostage situation where the hostages are freed and the police then vet the hostages to see if any of them are really one of the bad guys.

Not to vet the hostages would be a fatal mistake, and that is what Obama and his supporters are doing with the Syrian refugees.

Without properly vetting them, they could let some bad guys into the country, to join those crowds of muslims in NJ.

It is one thing for the US Government to allow terrorists to sneak into the country through the half unwalled Mexican border, but it is another when they demand that we take in Syrian refugees without vetting them.

It seems in both cases, that the US government really wants to breed terrorists in the US, but I don't know what is their end game for that.

In addition, the refugees need to be examined for diseases, both physical and psychological, apart from mental anguish of the war.

Good one, Pop

Chiquita is a fabulous poet. Well if it didn't happen in New Jersey it certainly happened all over the middle east.

No I would not be comfortable either.

When it comes to Syrian refugees do you know what the process for vetting them is? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees determines who counts as a refugee, who should be resettled (about 1 percent) and which countries would take them. This can take four to 10 months.

Once the cases are referred to the United States, refugees are vetted through a process that involves multiple federal intelligence and security agencies.

Typically, about half of refugees are approved, according to the State Department.

What does that tell you about the UN?

Refugees undergo several rounds of security clearance checks. Their names, biographical information and fingerprints are run through databases coordinated by the FBI, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense.

For Syrian refugees, there’s one additional step. THEIR FILINGS WITH THE UN AND INITIAL DOCUMENTS submitted to the U.S. program are reviewed. Information about where they came from, what caused them to flee and what their experiences were like are cross-referenced with classified and unclassified information.

PAY ATTENTION: "Their filings with the UN and initial documents..."

And where does the UN get those filings and documents?

Are you comfortable with the UN obtaining (from the refugees) all the filings and documents we then use for further vetting, determining who counts as a refugee, who should be resettled and which countries should take them?

I'm not.

Yep.

And they will get the money. You know who will make sure that happens.

Old Poolman....speaking of not being able to assimilate, now the "clock boy" and his parents are suing the city for $15 million, and they are supposedly moving to Quatar due to "fear for their lives." What rubbish. Nevertheless, I still won't put all refugees in the same boat. No pun intended. Still, I maintain the vetting process is crucial, yet even then, this sort of craziness happens....and therein lies the challenge for the U.S. and European nations.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/23/ahmed-mohamed...

A fascinating and enlightening discussion, as always. Thanks, Pop, for caring so much about this nation.

The punishment for those who leave the Muslim religion is death so that would make it difficult for them to assimilate. They are almost forced to stay to themselves and their own kind for fear others would even think they are leaving their faith.

Their beliefs are so opposite ours that assimilating into our culture will most likely never happen for many. They now have their no-go zones even in this country where law enforcement is not allowed to enter. They have this same privilege in several places in Europe. Why any US State governor would allow this to happen in their state is beyond my ability to understand.

It would seem we truly have lost our way in this country.

All refugees must be properly vetted. Period. That being said, I feel that many Syrians just want to escape the terror of the Asaad regime, and are not intent on harming others. The problem with Muslims as I see it, is that they seem to have little desire to assimilate into any other cultures other than their own. Consequently, they isolate themselves, and this isolation breeds unrest. They are just very, very different from Americans and most Europeans. France is paying a big price for this "lack of assimilation." For example, in Paris, there are neighborhoods where the police will not enter. It's just too dangerous. The Muslims there are demanding more and more rights and they are extremely dangerous. Sometimes they stop traffic or normal crowds by stopping to praying in the street with no regard for other people's lives. The middle eastern people are just a whole different animal---so to speak. That being said, I like to believe that they can assimilate into a society somewhat, given more educational opportunities, but they must not being given special privileges. So, it's all very complicated, but I do feel for refugees who have been uprooted from their homes.

Furthermore, I despise Obama for failing to provide the Syrian fighters with weapons---or something. Had he done so, we wouldn't have this crises now.

As for Hillary, she knows full well that her followers will do zero checking on her statements. The woman is a consummate liar. I cannot stand the sight of her, frankly.

Nothing ever changes. I am hoping the next president will turn us in the right direction and have at least some modicum of integrity, although pure integrity would be my plea. I think we have a few hopefuls.

Your son's experience in Paterson goes a long way in evidence of the truth.

Chiquita and Patti - There is nothing at all I could add regarding this hub. We are facing the most serious threat to this nation I have seen in my nearly 80 years on this planet. And our leaders, the MSM, and the liberals are just ignoring the situation and hoping it will go away. They not only ignore it, they lie about it and refuse to believe even when presented with concrete facts such as video's.

We are in a position where we need the strongest leadership we have ever had, and our Commander in Chief doesn't view this as a serious threat. Allowing thousands of refugees into this country is truly a recipe for disaster. I am not saying they are all bad, but there is a percentage of them who are really bad people with no regard for human life. They have been raised knowing their mission in life is to kill all those who do not follow their religion.

Rather than trying to implement even more gun controls, our government should be providing guns and training to qualified civilians to make our country less appealing to these terrorists. We have a huge number of already trained veterans whom have already put their lives on the line for this country and would be more than willing to do it again.

When the pieces all fall into place it would appear we are doing everything we can to just hand our country over to these radical terrorist groups. It will be interesting and frightening to see what the outcome will be.

Sorry for the rant but my frustration is showing.