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The Circle Is Closed, the Trump Conspiracy With the Russians Is Almost Certain!

Updated on March 31, 2019
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ME has spent most of his retirement from service to the United States studying, thinking, and writing about the country he served.

In Full Disclosure

While I stand by where this article points, I do have to lead with, according to Attorney General Barr, the Mueller report "did not establish" that Donald Trump, or anyone in his campaign, committed the crime of Conspiracy. "Did not establish" is a legal term of art that doesn't mean, by the way, that Mueller's didn't have any evidence of Conspiracy; it only means they didn't have enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

In any case, the Circle is not Closed.

What Does Vladimir Putin Have on Donald Trump?

Source

Prolog

The fact is, Donald Trump squeaked by in winning the 2016 presidential election. It boiled down to less than 90,000 votes across three formerly Blue states, Pennsylvania (44,292 - 0.7%), Wisconsin (22,748 - 0.8%), and Michigan (10,704 - 0.2%). There is no question that Secretary Clinton' inept campaign strategy, poor decisions, and lack of charisma set the stage for a Trump victory. But even THAT wasn't enough because other factors interfered to convince enough voters to 1) not vote Democratic, 2) vote for a 3rd Party, or 3) vote for Donald Trump.

Those factors were:

  1. FBI Director Comey's decision to tell America that Hillary Clinton was back under investigation just days before the vote (I saw a noticeable decrease in poll numbers for Clinton)
  2. The massive social media campaign conducted by the Russians for the benefit of Donald Trump

Initially, it wasn't well understood shortly after the election the sophistication of the Russian onslaught to change American voter's minds. But after two years of investigation by the Senate, the FBI, and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, it is know indisputable that Vladimir Putin had social media "weaponized" for the sole purpose of helping Donald Trump become President of the United States.

When information began filtering out about the Russian attack on our system of democracy, I didn't think it was enough to have flipped 90,000 votes. Now, after so much evidence has been published, I have no doubt in my mind that the Russians put Trump in power.

The question that has been dogging Trump since he won, is "did he or his campaign help Putin in his effort to influence the outcome?"


1/8/2019 - STRIKE ONE!!! Paul Manafort's lawyers screwed up and let it be known that the Special Council was claiming that while he was Trump campaign manager, Manafort met with and passed on sensitive private polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, someone who the FBI is certain is connected to Russian intelligence.

2/15/2019 - STRIKE TWO!!! The Special Council dropped the second piece of evidence that Trump and his campaign conspired with the Russians to fix the 2016 presidential election - direct communications between Trump's long-time friend and consigliore, Roger Stone.

The Facts

In the almost 2 years that Robert Mueller's team has been peeling back the Russian attack onion, he has produced quite a record for something that Trump calls a "witch hunt". Consider:

- Guilty, either found or pleaded.

  • Michael Cohen - Trump's personal lawyer and "fixer" for over a decade
  • George Papadopoulos - Foreign policy adviser to Trump 2016 campaign
  • Alexander van der Zwaan - Dutch lawyer who worked with Manafort
  • George Pinedo - On-line fundraiser for Trump campaign
  • Paul Manafort - Trump campaign manager (recently revealed to have passed sensitive internal polling data to Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik)
  • Rick Gates - Trump deputy campaign manager
  • Gen Michael Flynn - National Security adviser for President Trump

- Charged

  • 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities - Russian social media trolls involved in swaying votes in America
  • 12 Russian military intelligence officers - Hackers of American political entities and persons.
  • Konstantin Kilimnik - Business partner of Manafort with ties to Russian intelligence

Still Under Investigation

  • Roger Stone - Conspiracy theorist and Trump confidant for conspiring with Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, who released Democratic emails stolen by the Russians and fellow conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi.
  • Jerome Corsi - Conspiracy theorist who is alleged to have coordinated with Assange in releasing purloined emails
  • Donald Trump Jr. - Son of Donald Trump who held meetings with Russians to get "dirt" on Hillary Clinton
  • Jared Kushner - Son-in-law and senior adviser of Donald Trump during the campaign and presidency who attended the same Trump Tower meeting as Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort to gather dirt on Hillary Clinton
  • Donald Trump - President of the United States for conspiring with the Russians to throw the election his way.

Lied About Meeting With Russians

The following people in Trump's orbit have met with Russians and have been caught lying about it.

  • Gen Michael Flynn - former National Security Adviser (pleaded guilty) lied to the FBI, VP Pence and many others in the White House.
  • Jeff Sessions - Former Attorney General (fired by Trump for recusing himself) lied to Congress during his confirmation and had to recuse himself from anything to do with Russia
  • Michael Cohen - Trump's personal lawyer pleaded guilty to unrelated charges but is fully cooperating with the Mueller investigation. Was implicated in the "Dossier" as having had several contacts with Russians (which is proving to be true) and finally admitted that Trump was still conducting business with the Russians well into his campaign. Cohen is still publicly denying he met with the Russians and claimed in the Dossier.
  • Jared Kushner - Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser met with Russians along with Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort in Trump Tower and publicly denied having done so - until it came out that he did.
  • Donald Trump Jr. - Manages the Trump organization along with Ivanka and Jared Kushner. Publicly lied about meeting with Russians in Trump Tower along with Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort.
  • Paul Manafort - Trump's campaign manager (convicted, in jail) lied about many meetings with Russians including the Trump Tower meeting and recently revealed meeting with Konstantin Kilimnik in Spain to turn over sensitive Trump campaign polling data.
  • Carter Page - Trump campaign foreign policy adviser and first person of interest by the FBI due to his close ties with the Russians and interest by Russian intelligence to turn him.
  • Rick Gates - Trump's deputy campaign manager lied about his various meetings with Russians during the Trump campaign and has pleaded guilty to related charges. Gates is still cooperating with the Mueller probe.
  • JD Gordon - Trump campaign foreign policy adviser met with the same Russians Gen Flynn did.
  • George Papadopoulos - Trump campaign foreign policy adviser. He pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russians.
  • Roger Stone - Trump confidant and outside adviser. Probably will be indicted for his conspiracy with Corsi and Assange in the Russian theft of emails associated with the Clinton campaign.
  • Ivanka Trump - Trump's daughter finally admitted to working with Russians regarding business propositions to build a Trump Tower in Russia during the campaign
  • Michael Caputo - Trump campaign aide who coordinated with a Russian to facilitate Roger Stone's meeting with Russians.
  • Avi Berkowitz - Long time Kushner associate and White House aide who also met with the Russian ambassador during the transition.
  • Erik Prince - Trump envoy and brother to Education secretary Betsy DeVos met with Russian state banker Kirill Dmitriev.
  • Felix Sater - A Trump business associate who worked with Cohen and Ivanka on the Trump Tower Moscow project.
  • Anthony Scaramucci - Member of Trump transition team and later as White House communications director wrote an email to the promoter who played a role in setting up a meeting between Russians linked to the Kremlin and Donald Trump Jr.


Connecting the Dots

Until Jan 8, 2019, there was plenty of billowing smoke surrounding the public evidence implicating the Trump campaign, and possibly Donald Trump himself, in a conspiracy with the Russians to sway public voting opinion to Trump. Enough smoke to lay waste to Trump's claims of "witch hunt" and "no collusion".

Read the lists above again to get the full flavor of what Trump and his campaign is facing. Look at how many people have been indicted, how many people have pleaded or been found guilty, and look how many people are still being investigated. Yes, there is something there, there.

And now ... and now there is the revelation on Jan 8 that Paul Manafort, while he was Trump campaign manager, met with Konstantin Kilimnik, someone who the FBI is certain is connected to Russian intelligence, to deliver sensitive campaign polling data. Can anyone doubt where this information is going to end up - can you spell the Russian Internet Research Agency? Can anyone guess what the IRA is going to do with it? How about refine there social media warfare campaign to help target voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and encourage American voters to vote for Trump, or at the very least, not vote for Hillary Clinton.

The next dot came to light 2/15/2019 in the Special Council's filing against long-time Trump friend and adviser Roger Stone that Stone had DIRECT communications with Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0 which is the alias used by Russian intelligence to disseminate the documents. The import of that is someone within Trump's close circle was coordinating with foreign adversaries to throw the election to Trump - in my opinion successfully.

That, my friends, these are the so-called "smoking gun". That is conspiracy - not collusion, but real, illegal conspiracy. The Trump campaign manager conspired with a probable Russian intelligence agent to provide information that will help the Russians help Trump win the election. The circle is closed.

Let Me Explain Why

Conspiracy

Let us start with the definition of Conspiracy. Conspiracy is - "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful." Sounds simple doesn't it? So, what are the elements of proof prosecutors need to show to get a conviction of Conspiracy? They are:

  1. a showing that two or more people were in agreement to commit a crime.
  2. all conspirators 1 must have the specific intent to commit the objective of the conspiracy.
  3. conspiracy requires an “overt act” taken in furtherance of the crime
  4. Included in these three elements is the idea of "intent".

It is those three elements that the prosecutor must prove for someone to be convicted of criminal conspiracy.

Defrauding the Government

The underlying crime, if the conspiracy is true, is "Defrauding the Government". That is defined as -

"The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "[i]f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose. (emphasis added)." (US DOJ)

Two rulings by the Supreme Court help define the scope of this federal crime.

Hass v. Henkel, 216 U.S. 462 (1910)

"The statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government . . . (A)ny conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation."

And:

"To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the Government out of property or money, but it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest. It is not necessary that the Government shall be subjected to property or pecuniary loss by the fraud, but only that its legitimate official action and purpose shall be defeated by misrepresentation, chicane or the overreaching of those charged with carrying out the governmental intention."

Hammerschmidt v. United States, 265 U.S. 182 (1924)

"The general purpose of this part of the statute is to protect governmental functions from frustration and distortion through deceptive practices. Section 371 reaches "any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of Government." Tanner v. United States, 483 U.S. 107, 128 (1987); see Dennis v. United States, 384 U.S. 855 (1966). The "defraud part of section 371 criminalizes any willful impairment of a legitimate function of government, whether or not the improper acts or objective are criminal under another statute." United States v. Tuohey, 867 F.2d 534, 537 (9th Cir. 1989)."

The point of these two citations is to make clear that the act of trying to change the outcome of a federal election through deception is illegal. And that when two or people are involved in that attempt (it doesn't have to be successful), if falls under 18 U.S.C. § 371.

Bottom Line

The theory is that persons associated with the Trump campaign conspired with, in this case, the Russians to provide constructive help in the Russian attempts to conduct information warfare on the citizens of the United States with the goal of electing Donald Trump as president.

1 More recently, in some cases, intent only needs to be shown for the defendant(s) charged. In older cases, intent needed to be shown for all conspirators.

Can It Be Proved?

In my opinion, yes.

So, what are the pieces?

  1. Let's start with the act of illegal deception by the Russians with the goal of electing Trump. This is now established fact. Both the several intelligence agencies and the Senate Intelligence Committee came to this conclusion - Russia, under the direction of Vladimir Putin, acted through various social media outlets as well as hacking government and politic al institutions in order to get Donald Trump elected President of the United States. That is a crime to defraud the government of the United States.
  2. The first shoe to drop regarding collusion, unknown to the public, is when in Oct 2016, the FBI opened an investigation on Trump campaign foreign affairs adviser, Carter Page. The FBI first investigated Page as a possible agent of Russia in 2014, but dropped it. It is interesting to note that Page was kicked out of the Eurasia Group because of his pro-Russia stance.
  3. The next shoe, again in the background, was the publication of the so-called Steele Dossier, the result of oppo research by first Trump's GOP competitors and later picked up by the DNC and Clinton campaign. In it Steele, a well respected British ex-spy, presented a series of memos strongly suggesting coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. It also included allegations which could lead to blackmail of Trump by Russia.
  4. Next, in early January 2017, leaks revealed illegal meetings, not tied to directly to conspiracy, between campaign adviser Gen Michael Flynn and the Russian foreign minister (and others) in December 2016 to discuss future governmental matters. Trump was later forced to fire him as the recently appointed National Security Adviser for lying to Vice President Pence and others about these meetings. Flynn subsequently was indicted for lying to the FBI and pleaded guilty. He is still awaiting sentencing while providing additional information to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team.
  5. Also not directly tied to conspiracy, but adding to the environment, was former Attorney General Jeff Sessions being caught having lied during his Senate confirmation hearing about meetings with various Russians, including its foreign minister, outside his duties as a sitting Senator. He later recused himself from any investigation into Russia. In November 2018, Trump fired him for doing so.
  6. Following this was the rat-a-tat-tat of indictments of Russians trying to influence the outcome of the American presidential election and of Trump campaign officials who have had secret contacts with Russians associated with those trying to help Trump win.
  7. On June 9, 2016, the first real act of conspiracy occurred when Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with five others including a Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.1 The goal of the meeting, as told to Trump Jr., was to get "dirt" on Hilary Clinton. On the face of it, if proved, that is conspiracy to defraud the government. After the meeting was revealed in Jun 2017, the Trump's and their lawyers went to great lengths of put a different face on it. In the process Donald Trump lied to the public, reporters, his lawyers, and about anybody else he could.
  8. In the intervening time, Roger Stone, a Trump adviser and confidant, and others were allegedly involved with Wikileak's Julian Assange's release of Russian purloined emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign.
  9. During Michael Cohen's sentencing hearing on Nov 29, 2018, it came out that he lied to Congress about when Trump stopped trying to convince the Russian's to let him build a Trump Tower in Moscow. Instead of ending in January 2016, it really carried on until at least June 2016, well into Trump's campaigning.
  10. Finally, as I said, on Jan 8, 2019 the final piece fell into place (at least for a non-judicial conclusion) when it was accidentally revealed that Mueller knows that Paul Manafort, while he was the Trump campaign chairman, turned over sensitive internal raw polling data to one of the central Russian players in the attack on America - Konstantin Kilimnic. There can only be one use of that information by the Russians and that is to help refine their targeting of American voters with pro-Trump and anti-Clinton messaging.

Can there be any doubt anymore?


1 She was recently indicted by the Southern District of New York on unrelated charges. But the relevant point is part of their case is that she is closely tied to the Russian government, a fact denied as it relates to her meeting with Trump. campaign officials.

It Only Took A Day ...

... for another shoe to drop. And what a shoe it is - Paul Bunyan size!! BuzzFeed published a story Thursday night (1/17/19) claiming they had evidence that Donald Trump TOLD his lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the timing of his business relationships with Russia. The story, if true, is one of the smoking guns of obstruction of justice, a felony. It will be undeniable.

Backing up their claim, BuzzFeed says they have testimony from Cohen, and admitted liar, as well as emails, texts, and other documentation for third party witnesses to Trump's crime. Presumably, Robert Mueller has all of this information already. If it all pans out, even Republicans will be forced to convict Donald Trump in an impeachment trial.

There is also the possibility that the evidence is so clear-cut and egregious that Mueller might drop his position of not indicting a sitting president and actually do so.


NOTE - the next day the Mueller team released a very rare press release saying that some parts of the BuzzFeed report, relating to their investigation, was "inaccurate". BuzzFeed says it stands by its story and sources and is trying to understand specifically what Mueller was referring to.


A New Revelation

Remember the Steele Dossier and its claims of, let's say, strange behavior of Donald Trump in a Moscow hotel room? Well .. consider this - CLICK HERE.

But the picture in that article, nor Steele's dossier, is the real story. No, it is the other people involved and the tie back to Donald Trump Jr's meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower.

The Players

  • David Geovanis
  • Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
  • Bennett LeBow
  • Howard Lorber
  • Brooke Group
  • Vector Group
  • Robert Mercer
  • Trump Moscow Tower

Now, How Does All of That Relate?

David Geovanis is new on the scene in terms of public awareness. He has been active behind the scenes for quite some time. He is an American citizen who graduated from Donald Trump alma mater, Wharton College. Sometime after graduating, Geovanis joined the Brooke Group and worked out of Moscow. Coincidentally, the Brooke Group owned land earmarked for a future Trump Tower in Moscow.

When Trump went to Moscow to promote the project, apparently Geovanis was the one who set it up. Accompanying them were real estate moguls Bennett LeBow and Howard Lorber (unsurprisingly, LeBow and Lorber became major Trump donors for 2016)

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      2 months ago

      Scott

      The reason that I copy and paste is to make sure that I got the information verbatim, and that it is not vague or ambiguous.

      Your response is vague, ambiguous, without reference and you didn't even name who or what you were addressing.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      2 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Source? You got to be kidding me. How about the Barr letter for starters.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      2 months ago

      Scott

      B: From Comey's recent interview with Lester Holt.

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      "'There was smoke and enough smoke to justify investigating,' he said.

      B:

      Well, they didn't find enough smoke to locate a fire, or an indictment. Comey making this accusation is more bias than fact, and the proof is nothing was found and Trump was never charged.

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      "Obviously there was overwhelming evidence the Russians were interfering in the election to hurt one candidate and help the other. "

      B:

      There was nothing obvious and there was no overwhelming evidence. Had that been true, Comey could have finished his investigation before Trump fired him, if indeed there was overwhelming evidence.

      This was July of 2016, and president Obama mocked Trump for saying the election was rigged. In fact, president Obama said there was no way the election could be rigged.

      I think we should have investigated president Obama to see what actions he took to stop this Russia election threat? Especially, when it turned out to not be credible.

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      'Whether Americans were conspiring with him, I didn't know but we had to look at that.'

      B:

      There has been no indictments of any American conspiring with Trump or with the Russians.

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      He went on: 'I don't know what people are thinking saying "we shouldn't have investigated."

      B:

      They were probably thinking that investigation was the wrong place to look for the interference with the 2016 election. We should have looked at what Hillary and the DNC were doing to change the election. And we should have investigated the results of Comey's investigation on Hillary. By exonerating her he influenced the election. It was not his job as FBI director to do anything beyond recommend to the DOJ. But he took it upon himself to go beyond his scope.

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      'Remember where this started. Late July of the election year, we knew the Russians were engaged in a massive effort to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump.

      B:

      Again, what happened to that evidence, Mueller never found it?

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      'And then we learn that a trump campaign adviser had spoken to a Russian operative about the dirt they had on Hillary Clinton. Before any of us knew anything about it. How on Earth would the FBI leave that alone?'"

      B:

      How did they learn that, and how was that a crime?

      Hillary Clinton get an opposition paper from Christopher Steele, who actually gets his information from Russians in Russia, but it turns out to be not real. And then that Russian Dossier is passed around as highly confident by the 17 US intel agencies whose only source is the same single document. They even used it to get a FISA for a year of spying on Americans.

      Why wasn't Comey and the FBI or the CIA interested in that Russian connection?

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    • WillStarr profile image

      WillStarr 

      2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Will, you just keep getting your FACTS wrong - why is that. the charge was CONSPIRACY, not Collusion."

      Source?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      2 months ago

      Scott

      "Mueller's investigation ended without any charges of ...

      [Search domain www.macombdaily.com/opinion/mueller-s-investigation-ended-without-any-charges-of-collusion-or/article_50cb7128-a2ab-5d3f-a935-5d4aebb7f5f0.html] https://www.macombdaily.com/opinion/mueller-s-inve...

      Mueller's investigation ended without any charges of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. ."

      It doesn't matter what Mueller said, and you keep forgetting that the Memo from Barr and Rosenstein said that it wasn't the any FBI policy on a sitting president that prevented Mueller from indicting president Trump for obstruction, it was that Mueller did have any evidence that could meet the burden of reasonable doubt.

      scott

      "He said "... COULD NOT ESTABLISH ... CONSPIRACY" which means he HAD EVIDENCE of Collusion, just not enough to establish the crime of CONSPIRACY. Does the yelling help you understand the actual truth?"

      b:

      "In Order No. 3915-2017, Mueller was appointed with a specific mandate, to continue an investigation started by James Comey into Russian interference in the election:

      (a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.

      (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

      (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

      (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

      (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

      (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

      At the March 20, 2017 hearing, Comey described the investigation as relating to election interference:

      As you know, our practice is not to confirm the existence of ongoing investigations, especially those investigations that involve classified matters, but in unusual circumstances where it is in the public interest, it may be appropriate to do so as Justice Department policies recognize. This is one of those circumstances.

      I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed."

      B: The fact is that it is not important or relevant what Mueller made as an opinion, the fact is that he didn't indict because he didn't have evidence to convict. Say it anyway you want but that is the result.

      B: This is what one person wrote when Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein.

      "It’s good news for Trump too — if he’s telling the truth about having had nothing to do with Russia during the campaign. Democrats won’t be able to second-guess Obama’s own FBI chief if he gives Trump a clean bill of legal health. If he isn’t telling the truth about having had nothing to do with Russia, well, then he’s in deep sh*t."

      But democrats don't care about the truth, they just whine, when they don't get their way.

      And conspiracy or collusion Mueller failed at both and he found no connection to Russia at all. If you disagree, show me.

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      Scott

      And when are you going to answer my previous comment?

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      2 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Will, you just keep getting your FACTS wrong - why is that. the charge was CONSPIRACY, not Collusion. Repeat after me, the charge was Conspiracy, not Collusion. To prove CONSPIRACY you must have Collusion. To prove the non-crime of Collusion, you DO NOT NEED to prove Conspiracy. Got it?

      ALSO, you are absolutely wrong in saying "because there was zero evidence" because THAT IS NOT WHAT MUELLER SAID. Please get it right! No wonder you are never believed.

      He said "... COULD NOT ESTABLISH ... CONSPIRACY" which means he HAD EVIDENCE of Collusion, just not enough to establish the crime of CONSPIRACY. Does the yelling help you understand the actual truth?

    • WillStarr profile image

      WillStarr 

      3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Let's not forget that the charge was collusion, not obstruction, and President Trump was exonerated on collusion because there was zero evidence that he or his campaign colluded with the Russians.

      Disappointed leftists are trying to make something out of an obstruction charge that does not exist.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Will

      I agree, How is that any different than what Comey said before he said no one would prosecute Hillary on these charges. He had changed the wording to be different from the statute.

      If someone believes that, then they should also believe that Trump is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. None of that happened in either case. But Hillary wasn't in office and her investigation didn't take 3 years.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      Actually, you are wrong, Brad. Mueller DID NOT exonerate Trump from Obstruction of Justice, he said so directly and Barr quoted him.

      B:

      Once again, you attack. I never said said that. that is one of the reasons that I copy and paste the exact wording.

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      Mueller found that they "could not establish" (that is called a legal term of art) there was ENOUGH evidence to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump or his campaign committed the crime of Conspiracy. That means they had evidence, just not quite enough.

      B:

      Once again, you didn't read my comment.

      If you want the legal term of art, Look at how Comey obstructed justice by changing the words in the US criminal code.

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      They DID establish, contrary to what Trump says, the Russians manipulated our elections.

      B: How did they do that, and who were these Russians? There are millions of Russians even in the US.

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      Barr refused to include the part about it was done to get Trump elected but he doesn't need to. ALL of our intelligence agencies, again contrary to what TraitorTrump says, that Putin was trying to get Trump elected.

      B:

      Seriously, how did anything but Trump get him elected. How did the Russians help him win the primary?

      Yes, he does need to include if there was information that there was any influence on the election, and how was it done to select Trump versus Hillary.

      Then explain how Hillary got three million more votes. That alone should be investigated. And how the year long FISA warrant and investigation of Carter Page should also be investigated for influencing the election against Trump.

      And what credibility should be given to our intelligence agencies. What exactly did our intelligence agency say in the Mueller report? Our intelligence agencies were outsmarted by 19 Islam terrorists. And the entire defense of the US failed on 911. From the president down to the military. Then they were wrong again about the WMD that caused a war that should have never been. And they couldn't find a six foot three OBL in 11 years, why? They killed him, and threw his body in the ocean, why?

      The point is that these agencies do a job, but it doesn't mean it benefits the country or the people? So, if you say all the agencies, you need to support it.

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      You simply can't obfuscate your way around those facts although I know you will try.

      B: What facts?

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    • WillStarr profile image

      WillStarr 

      3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I read very well, Scott.

      1) There was no evidence at all that President Trump colluded with the Russians. That my friend, is a total exoneration.

      2) On the 'obstruction of justice' investigation, Attorney General Barr and Rod Rosenstein agreed that there no basis for making an obstruction charge.

      That my friend, is an exoneration whether you like it or not.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Will - EXACTLY WHERE in the Mueller report OR in Barr's short summary of it does it say

      "There was no collusion with the Russians. President Donald J. Trump has been totally exonerated."

      You apparently have blind spots in your vision. Don't you remember reading that Barr said that Mueller said Trump was NOT exonerated (to use your and Trump's word) from obstruction of justice.

      Of course there was "collusion" - lots of it that is in the public realm.

      It just didn't QUITE rise to the level where Mueller could bring criminal charges of conspiracy against anybody. AND, if that is what Mueller REALLY said (all we have is Barr's interpretation and he was already predisposed against it) then I respect and accept that he could quite get there.

      But to say there was NONE, is just plain ignorant.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Actually, you are wrong, Brad. Mueller DID NOT exonerate Trump from Obstruction of Justice, he said so directly and Barr quoted him.

      Mueller found that they "could not establish" (that is called a legal term of art) there was ENOUGH evidence to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump or his campaign committed the crime of Conspiracy. That means they had evidence, just not quite enough.

      They DID establish, contrary to what Trump says, the Russians manipulated our elections. Barr refused to include the part about it was done to get Trump elected but he doesn't need to. ALL of our intelligence agencies, again contrary to what TraitorTrump says, that Putin was trying to get Trump elected.

      You simply can't obfuscate your way around those facts although I know you will try.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      The Mueller report couldn't have rejected more rejected by the anti Trumpers, then if it was the Trump report. They don't want the truth, they want impeachment of Donald Trump.

      As for the republicans, not a single investigation by the FBI on Comey, Mueller and all of the people that conspired on the job to do a political coup on president Trump.

      That was spineless, while all the time not turning off the politically motivated investigation on the Russians, Trump collusion myth. I don't see much spine in the two years they were in control, and I see no hope for any more spine now.

      What was the purpose of the IG report when no criminal investigation resulted from it?

      The political scene from now until the election is going to look like a devastating California fire, out of control and it usually stops or gets under control when it runs of things that can burn. Then it is followed by torrential rain that sweeps house, streets and hillsides.

      A good start would be to criminally investigate Comey and Mueller for their conspiracy to lie to congress. This would then include investigating Rod Rosenstein because both he and Mueller had conflicts of interest in appointing Mueller. Mueller had days before Rosenstein appointed him been rejected by president Trump for his old FBI director position. Then he loads his team with anti Trumpers. Rosenstein fired Comey, Mueller's 'Robin', and then he expands the Mueller investigation scope to include things like obstruction of justice because Comey was fired.

      The 2016 DOJ, State Department, FBI, NSA, and others needed to be investigated and purged, but the republicans must have a dog in that investigation that could bite them. They just didn't act at all. Look at how impotent they were in the Judge Kavanaugh hearing.

      I am sorry Pop, but there is something really smelly about the way that the republicans are dealing with the democrats, and how they don't protect the president.

      The republicans look like the story of the three musketeers protecting the King. Are there many republicans acting to protect Trump?

      With all the disarray and confusion in the democrat party, they still can attack the president and the republicans. The republicans failed to unite around Trump because both the democrats and the republicans know they will have their veil of being for the country and the people lifted. That will show they don't care about it, they only care about the party. Both parties have failed to move the country and the people forward because they have a political seesaw. A seesaw only goes up and down.

      Sorry, for this tirade, but this could have been the best four years for the country and the people. But, it looks more like a huge oil spill in the ocean.

    • WillStarr profile image

      WillStarr 

      3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      There was no collusion with the Russians. President Donald J. Trump has been totally exonerated.

      What else are you dead wrong about, Scott?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      You have not answered my comment.

      As far as defamation, truth is the only defense.

      I made the statement, it is you that must show it is not true, before you defame.

      There is no common knowledge, truth is truth nothing less.

      You confuse common knowledge with the truth, and with Judicial Notice.

      King Norman

      For example, there is no connection between Hillary Clinton trying to influence the voters with a fake dossier in a presidential election. Trump using illegal aliens doesn't influence the election for Trump, and with people like you it would be used to influence voters against him.

      Where is your answer

      "B: Then who paid for Steele to create this opposition paper?

      "Hillary Clinton didn't hire Steele, now did she? If she did, then Trump was personally responsible for hiring hundreds of illegal aliens at his properties. Yet you aren't castigating him about that now, are you. Can't have one without the other, now can we?

      B: What is the connection between the two? There are no dots to connect. The issue is the opposition paper that Clinton paid for through he law firms and their connection. Who paid Steele?"

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      BTW way, what is defamatory about claiming a statement you made, with no proof, is a lie when it it is common knowledge what you claim is not true??

      And I don't need to apologize until you prove your unsubstantiated claims are, if fact, true. (which is impossible because it is common knowledge they are not)

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Again, your failure to be able to connect the dots. You claimed Hillary Clinton hired Steele to produce the dossier. - which you obviously believe. But yet I claim Trump hired illegal aliens to work his properties and you don't see the analogy?? Come on Brad, I thought you were smarter than that.

      But to answer your question as to who got Steele to write his intelligence report, which I have done a few times before when you asked.

      1. Oct 2015 - The conservative web site The Washington Free Beacon contacted Fusion GPS for oppo on Trump

      2. Apr 2015 - The general counsel for the Clinton campaign and on behalf of the DNC contacted Fusion GPS for the same thing

      3. Once Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, the Free Beacon stopped their inquiry

      4. In June 2016, Fusion GPS contracted with Steele's company to compile a dossier - a fact that Clinton's campaign was unaware (remember, Clinton doesn't micromanage like Trump does)

      5. When Trump won, the DNC and Clinton's campaign stopped funding the oppo research.

      6. Fusion GPS continued to pay Steele to complete the dossier.

      7. The completed dossier was then handed to British and American intel services.

      8. In May 2018, former intel chief James Clapper, stated that "more and more" of the dossier has been validated over time.

      9. According to a December 2018 Lawfare retrospective, "none of [the dossier], to our knowledge, has been disproven."

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      B: Then who paid for Steele to create this opposition paper?

      "Hillary Clinton didn't hire Steele, now did she? If she did, then Trump was personally responsible for hiring hundreds of illegal aliens at his properties. Yet you aren't castigating him about that now, are you. Can't have one without the other, now can we?

      B: What is the connection between the two? There are no dots to connect. The issue is the opposition paper that Clinton paid for through he law firms and their connection. Who paid Steele?

      --------------------------------------------

      Another Brad lie "Did any US intelligence agency investigate the document? NO" - The answer is YES and several parts of it were verified. I won't go through that AGAIN, so you will need to look it up

      B: Which agencies, when, and what did they verify. You didn't go through it the first time. These are your opinions and you won't discuss them. No dots from you here.

      You called me a liar, prove it or apologize.

      --------------------------------.

      Another Brad Lie: "Did it prove that the FISA new that the document was a Trump opposition paper? NO" - Actually, the FISA court and approving authorities DID KNOW the history behind the Steele

      B: Another defamatory accusation without proof. Again, proof or apologize.

      ---------------------

      Again, you must learn how to connect the dots."

      B: There were no dots given, just you defamatory accusations, and you King Norman dismissal. You have only proven my assertion that you don't discuss.

      You once again play the King card.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Hillary Clinton didn't hire Steele, now did she? If she did, then Trump was personally responsible for hiring hundreds of illegal aliens at his properties. Yet you aren't castigating him about that now, are you. Can't have one without the other, now can we?

      Another Brad lie "Did any US intelligence agency investigate the document? NO" - The answer is YES and several parts of it were verified. I won't go through that AGAIN, so you will need to look it up.

      Another Brad Lie: "Did it prove that the FISA new that the document was a Trump opposition paper? NO" - Actually, the FISA court and approving authorities DID KNOW the history behind the Steele dossier.

      Again, you must learn how to connect the dots.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      Example of diverting on your part

      "A New Revelation

      Remember the Steele Dossier and its claims of, let's say, strange behavior of Donald Trump in a Moscow hotel room? Well .. consider this - CLICK HERE.

      But the picture in that article, nor Steele's dossier, is the real story. No, it is the other people involved and the tie back to Donald Trump Jr's meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower."

      B: Does this validate that Hillary Clinton didn't hiring Steele to create an opposition paper? No

      Did it validate the information in that document, NO!

      Did it have any thing to counter that this document was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page? NO

      Did it prove that the information in the document was even validated, verified or even fact check?

      Did any US intelligence agency investigate the document? NO

      Did the document on its face say its contents were true or verified? NO

      Did it prove that the FISA new that the document was a Trump opposition paper? NO

      Does it explain why the Carter Page was spied on for a full year, with one FISA warrant and 3 extensions.

      Does it explain why Carter Page was never charged with any crime? NO

      Did this document even mention Trump and the election?

      Was the contents of this document provided by the Russians? Yes

      Were they true contents about Trump? NO

      Did James Comey try to use the document to get Trump out of the presidency?

      Did the contents of the document provide any evidence of criminality of Trump and the election? NO. If you disagree, then what was the evidence?

      Did any of the FISA warrant authorized spying on Carter Page provide any evidence of Trump influencing the election? NO

      You bring up Trump in 1996 for something that you wish to use as proof of Trump influencing the election in 2016?

      You have no smoking gun linking anything in Russia, to anything with Trump that is evidence or fact to prove influencing the election.

      And where were the Russians and their influence to make Trump president during the republican primary?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      King Norman, hail.

      You don't ever have a discussion. It is a personal attack and only that. Because in order for it to be true, there has to be some basis in fact, and you have not answered my underlying comments.

      You once again cherry picked a single item from my whole comment and thought that answers them.

      We have a record here that proves my point:) Starting with my last two responses.

      I agree there can be no intelligent discussion, when there isn't even a discussion.

      "Discussion definition, an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate."

      How is this a discussion

      "Personal attack or not, it is nevertheless true. Until you have the ability to connect dots, "

      You bath them down with comments like this not with facts, and not even referencing the issue.

      What disinformation?

      What falsehoods?

      It is only Jack and I that have kept this gas filled article alive this long, no one else cares or understands your magical data assumptions.

      I don't tire ever!

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Personal attack or not, it is nevertheless true. Until you have the ability to connect dots, there can be no intelligent discussion. It is just you putting out disinformation or falsehoods and me batting them down which I am now tired of.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      Once again character assassination is not an answer, it is a personal attack. It is used to divert the focus from the fact that you don't have any answers.

      As for this article, "The Circle Is Closed, the Trump Conspiracy With the Russians Is Almost Certain!"

      1. There is no Circle, it is a smudgy big dot.

      2. There is no Trump conspiracy.

      3. There is no Russian conspiracy

      4. "Almost" is not a fact and it makes "Certain" not a fact.

      The sum total of this article along with its comments contain no facts to support your title. And looking back at all your "comments", you spent most of your words not answering the arguments presented to you by others. Your SOP is not to answer, and for that you are successful.

      Your opinion is accusation not an argument. In a court, it wouldn't even be hearsay. It would be closer to lying under oath. You make all of the assumptions in your article and you won't argue their merits when challenged by an opposing argument.

      We have a record here that proves my point:) Starting with my last response.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      And this is why you are not a lawyer. You have no idea how to connect the dots, Brad.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      1. Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort attended the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a group of Russians who were said to have dirt on Hillary Clinton. He also met with and emailed Konstantin Kilimnik, his Russian business associate who is suspected of having ties to Russian intelligence, according to court records.

      B: The FBI didn't even interview the Russian women who allegedly was the reason for the meeting? It there was any evidence than why didn't they interview her, and this is from her own statement.

      -------------------------------------------

      2. Senior Trump campaign official Rick Gates was also in communication during the campaign with Kilimnik, who has suspected ties to Russian intelligence, according to court records.

      B: "Suspected" ties, now that is "evidence". Nothing came of it, no evidence.

      ------------------------------------------

      3. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn exchanged phone calls and text messages with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the Trump transition.

      B: What did they discuss? Hillary and her Russian Dossier creator Steele had all of his information from Russians in Russia.

      -------------------------------------------

      He also was with White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner when they met Kislyak in Trump Tower during the transition.

      B: During the transition? What is the point?

      ------------------------------------------

      Trump's next chief of staff may be walking into a nightmare

      Trump's next chief of staff may be walking into a nightmare

      B: What?

      -----------------------------------------

      4. Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. attended the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower. Around that time, he had at least three phone calls with Emin Agalarov, the Russian pop star who helped arrange the meeting. Trump Jr. also was briefly introduced to Russian banker Alexander Torshin at a dinner during the National Rifle Association convention. Federal prosecutors said in 2018 that Torshin was the handler of alleged Russian spy Maria Butina.

      B: Really, then what happened, Nothing? Again the FBI didn't investigate the Russian that was at the meeting?

      ------------------------------------------

      5. White House senior adviser Jared Kushner also attended the Trump Tower meeting. During the transition, he met Kislyak and Russian state banker Sergey Gorkov.

      B: Asked and answered, nothing here!

      ------------------------------------------

      6. Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos met a few times with Kremlin-connected professor Joseph Mifsud and a Russian woman who falsely claimed to be Vladimir Putin's niece. He was also in touch with Ivan Timofeev, a Russian foreign policy analyst.

      B: Kremlin-connected? Falsely claimed?

      ------------------------------------------

      7. Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met Kislyak during the Republican convention. He also met Russian lawmakers and an executive from the Kremlin-run oil company Rosneft during trips to Russia in July and December 2016.

      B: Carter Page was under a FISA court Visa where he and anyone he contacted were under surveillance for One Year, and Carter Page was never indicted for anything from that surveillance, much less indicted proving this was an illegally gotten FISA warrant.

      ------------------------------------------

      8. Former Attorney General Jeff Sessions had two meetings with Kislyak during the campaign. The first was on the sidelines of the Republican convention. The second was in his Senate office in Washington in September 2016.

      Takeaways from the new Cohen and Manafort filings

      Takeaways from the new Cohen and Manafort filings

      B: And what was the result of this accusation? Nothing criminal here was there?

      ------------------------------------------

      9. Trump campaign official JD Gordon also met Kislyak during the Republican National Convention. He says he spoke with Kislyak at two separate events.

      B: What did they speak about?

      ------------------------------------------

      10. Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone met a Russian man in May 2016 who called himself Henry Greenberg and offered dirt on Clinton for $2 million. Stone also exchanged private Twitter messages with Russian intelligence operatives posing as the hacker Guccifer

      2.0.

      B: Hillary Clinton through her lawyers paid $9 million to get a false Dossier to be used as blackmail on Trump. Para Delicto.

      -------------------------------------------

      11. Former Trump campaign aide Michael Caputo was also in touch with the Russian man who went by Hank Greenberg. Caputo said he helped arrange Greenbeg's meeting with Stone.

      B: In touch, is that all that this CNN report deals in? Where is any evidence to show something criminal.

      -------------------------------------------

      12. Trump associate Erik Prince met with Russian state banker Kirill Dmitriev during a controversial January 2017 trip to the Seychelles. Prince told Congress that they discussed business.

      B: Business is vague and ambiguous.

      -------------------------------------------

      13. White House official Avi Berkowitz, who has served as Kushner's personal assistant, met with Kislyak during the Trump transition.

      Prosecutors: Michael Cohen acted at Trump's direction when he broke the law

      Prosecutors: Michael Cohen acted at Trump's direction when he broke the law

      B: Where is the indictment, where is the evidence, Cohen is in trouble and can anything he says be evidence.

      --------------------------------------------

      14. Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen was in touch with at least two Russian companies during the campaign that wanted to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He had a 20-minute phone call with someone from the office of Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov about the project, according to court filings. And he spoke to a Russian man who claimed to have influential connections and offered "political synergy" with the Trump campaign, according to court filings.

      B: Building the Trump Tower, how is that a crime. Discussing details on the Trump Tower another no crime.

      --------------------------------------------

      15. White House senior adviser Ivanka Trump was in contact with the wife of the Russian who offered "synergy" to Cohen. Her spokesman confirmed that she received an email and passed it along to Cohen.

      B: Synergy? vague and ambiguous and nothing patently criminal about it. What was in the email?

      --------------------------------------------

      16. Trump business associate Felix Sater, who previously worked with Trump on real estate deals, was in touch with Russians as he worked with Cohen on the Trump Tower Moscow project.

      B: He we go again, whit the "in touch", and the Trump Tower in Moscow and that is criminal how?

      --------------------------------------------

      This is why CNN is fake news. This was suggestive that Trump and his team did something criminal. But it is just a bias opinion to make Trump look bad for doing nothing.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "His electoral win, as I have told you before, is in the BOTTOM tier of electoral wins compared to other presidents.

      B: You call 304 to 230 squeaking by, and squeaking by is not a fact. "

      Brad - what is your definition of "BOTTOM"? It must be "TOP" based on your response, LOL.

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      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      the real target is free speech, and opposition of any kind." According to Leslie McGowan that is Fascism

      Do you agree with her.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Hey, DESPICABLE VOTER , yell again and I will delete you.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      1. Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort attended the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a group of Russians who were said to have dirt on Hillary Clinton. He also met with and emailed Konstantin Kilimnik, his Russian business associate who is suspected of having ties to Russian intelligence, according to court records.

      B: The FBI didn't even interview the Russian women who allegedly was the reason for the meeting? It there was any evidence than why didn't they interview her, and this is from her own statement.

      -------------------------------------------

      2. Senior Trump campaign official Rick Gates was also in communication during the campaign with Kilimnik, who has suspected ties to Russian intelligence, according to court records.

      B: "Suspected" ties, now that is "evidence". Nothing came of it, no evidence.

      ------------------------------------------

      3. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn exchanged phone calls and text messages with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the Trump transition.

      B: What did they discuss? Hillary and her Russian Dossier creator Steele had all of his information from Russians in Russia.

      -------------------------------------------

      He also was with White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner when they met Kislyak in Trump Tower during the transition.

      B: During the transition? What is the point?

      ------------------------------------------

      Trump's next chief of staff may be walking into a nightmare

      Trump's next chief of staff may be walking into a nightmare

      B: What?

      -----------------------------------------

      4. Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. attended the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower. Around that time, he had at least three phone calls with Emin Agalarov, the Russian pop star who helped arrange the meeting. Trump Jr. also was briefly introduced to Russian banker Alexander Torshin at a dinner during the National Rifle Association convention. Federal prosecutors said in 2018 that Torshin was the handler of alleged Russian spy Maria Butina.

      B: Really, then what happened, Nothing? Again the FBI didn't investigate the Russian that was at the meeting?

      ------------------------------------------

      5. White House senior adviser Jared Kushner also attended the Trump Tower meeting. During the transition, he met Kislyak and Russian state banker Sergey Gorkov.

      B: Asked and answered, nothing here!

      ------------------------------------------

      6. Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos met a few times with Kremlin-connected professor Joseph Mifsud and a Russian woman who falsely claimed to be Vladimir Putin's niece. He was also in touch with Ivan Timofeev, a Russian foreign policy analyst.

      B: Kremlin-connected? Falsely claimed?

      ------------------------------------------

      7. Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met Kislyak during the Republican convention. He also met Russian lawmakers and an executive from the Kremlin-run oil company Rosneft during trips to Russia in July and December 2016.

      B: Carter Page was under a FISA court Visa where he and anyone he contacted were under surveillance for One Year, and Carter Page was never indicted for anything from that surveillance, much less indicted proving this was an illegally gotten FISA warrant.

      ------------------------------------------

      8. Former Attorney General Jeff Sessions had two meetings with Kislyak during the campaign. The first was on the sidelines of the Republican convention. The second was in his Senate office in Washington in September 2016.

      Takeaways from the new Cohen and Manafort filings

      Takeaways from the new Cohen and Manafort filings

      B: And what was the result of this accusation? Nothing criminal here was there?

      ------------------------------------------

      9. Trump campaign official JD Gordon also met Kislyak during the Republican National Convention. He says he spoke with Kislyak at two separate events.

      B: What did they speak about?

      ------------------------------------------

      10. Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone met a Russian man in May 2016 who called himself Henry Greenberg and offered dirt on Clinton for $2 million. Stone also exchanged private Twitter messages with Russian intelligence operatives posing as the hacker Guccifer

      2.0.

      B: Hillary Clinton through her lawyers paid $9 million to get a false Dossier to be used as blackmail on Trump. Para Delicto.

      -------------------------------------------

      11. Former Trump campaign aide Michael Caputo was also in touch with the Russian man who went by Hank Greenberg. Caputo said he helped arrange Greenbeg's meeting with Stone.

      B: In touch, is that all that this CNN report deals in? Where is any evidence to show something criminal.

      -------------------------------------------

      12. Trump associate Erik Prince met with Russian state banker Kirill Dmitriev during a controversial January 2017 trip to the Seychelles. Prince told Congress that they discussed business.

      B: Business is vague and ambiguous.

      -------------------------------------------

      13. White House official Avi Berkowitz, who has served as Kushner's personal assistant, met with Kislyak during the Trump transition.

      Prosecutors: Michael Cohen acted at Trump's direction when he broke the law

      Prosecutors: Michael Cohen acted at Trump's direction when he broke the law

      B: Where is the indictment, where is the evidence, Cohen is in trouble and can anything he says be evidence.

      --------------------------------------------

      14. Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen was in touch with at least two Russian companies during the campaign that wanted to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He had a 20-minute phone call with someone from the office of Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov about the project, according to court filings. And he spoke to a Russian man who claimed to have influential connections and offered "political synergy" with the Trump campaign, according to court filings.

      B: Building the Trump Tower, how is that a crime. Discussing details on the Trump Tower another no crime.

      --------------------------------------------

      15. White House senior adviser Ivanka Trump was in contact with the wife of the Russian who offered "synergy" to Cohen. Her spokesman confirmed that she received an email and passed it along to Cohen.

      B: Synergy? vague and ambiguous and nothing patently criminal about it. What was in the email?

      --------------------------------------------

      16. Trump business associate Felix Sater, who previously worked with Trump on real estate deals, was in touch with Russians as he worked with Cohen on the Trump Tower Moscow project.

      B: He we go again, whit the "in touch", and the Trump Tower in Moscow and that is criminal how?

      --------------------------------------------

      This is why CNN is fake news. This was suggestive that Trump and his team did something criminal. But it is just a bias opinion to make Trump look bad for doing nothing.

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      DESPICABLE VOTER 

      3 months ago from USA

      GET OVER YOURSELF! THIS HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR AND IS NOW LAUGHABLE IT SO FARFETCHED AND ETCHED INTO YOUR BRAIN. TO THINK THAT YOU THINK WE ARE BELIEVER'S OF YOUR JEST, JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT IT IN PRINT IS WAY BEYOND SICK. DO SOME REAL RESEARCH INSTEAD OF MAKING FAIRYTALES. REALLY.

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      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      "No proof THAT you know of Brad. There are a lot of links, like the large number of Trump's inner circle lying about their meetings with the Russians including his campaign manager; like Cohen's inside knowledge of Trump's crimes which is has spilled to investigators and Congress, like a hundred other things you are purposefully closing your eyes and ears to."

      B: What you stated here is now evidence, not proof, just your wish. What Trump crimes? What lies? And what hundred things. You speak as if your statement was a fact, but it isn't a fact. It has been more than two years, where is the evidence? A crime needs evidence to indict, where is the indictment?

      ---------------------------------------

      "Even Rod Rosentein said that NO American was involved with the Russians, and their Media campaign didn't influence the election. " - THAT is false and you know it Brad. He never said such a thing - show me the exact quote and the context surrounding it.

      B: when I ask for proof you ignore it, but you want me to give you the exact quote, I gave you the exact quote.

      --------------------------------------

      "If anyone including the Russians wanted to help Trump win the election the targets would have been the strong blue states like CA, NY and Illinois that account for 105 EC votes." - YOUR logic is quite flawed here. They targeted what they needed to target, States with disgruntled voters who were ripe for persuasion. And it worked.

      B: How exactly did they do that? When did they do that, and what is your proof that they did it?

      --------------------------------------

      Actually, a lot of collusion between Trump's campaign and inner circle has been proved or is now under indictment. Anything directly with Trump, not yet, but as Madan says, wait until Mueller's report is released if Trump doesn't suppress it.

      B: Collusion with whom? They had one year of spying on the Trump campaign getting a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and they came up with nothing. What about Hillary and her paid for false Russian Dossier, With Steele colluding with the Russians (that is why they call it the Russian dossier) documenting lies to influence the election by try to blackmail Trump with it.

      -------------------------------------

      "There shouldn't have even been a Mueller investigation as there was no predicate crime to investigate. " - IS the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile now. Did you write Trump's script?"

      B: Instead of your flippant nonsense, tell us what the crime that Mueller was given to investigate?

      For two years, He was in search of a crime, and he still can't find it.

      --------------------------------------

      Is that the best you got Scott? Because it amounts to nothing!

      -------------------------------------------

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      3 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      No proof THAT you know of Brad. There are a lot of links, like the large number of Trump's inner circle lying about their meetings with the Russians including his campaign manager; like Cohen's inside knowledge of Trump's crimes which is has spilled to investigators and Congress, like a hundred other things you are purposefully closing your eyes and ears to.

      "Even Rod Rosentein said that NO American was involved with the Russians, and their Media campaign didn't influence the election. " - THAT is false and you know it Brad. He never said such a thing - show me the exact quote and the context surrounding it.

      "If anyone including the Russians wanted to help Trump win the election the targets would have been the strong blue states like CA, NY and Illinois that account for 105 EC votes." - YOUR logic is quite flawed here. They targeted what they needed to target, States with disgruntled voters who were ripe for persuasion. And it worked.

      Actually, a lot of collusion between Trump's campaign and inner circle has been proved or is now under indictment. Anything directly with Trump, not yet, but as Madan says, wait until Mueller's report is released if Trump doesn't suppress it.

      "There shouldn't have even been a Mueller investigation as there was no predicate crime to investigate. " - IS the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile now. Did you write Trump's script?

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      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Madan

      I agree, but I am sure that Scott will not agree.

      There shouldn't have even been a Mueller investigation as there was no predicate crime to investigate. A few days after president Trump told him that he didn't want him for the vacancy for the head of the FBI, Mueller was hired by Rod Rosenstein to head up the investigation. But there were no crimes to investigate, and now Mueller is stalling because he has nothing.

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      MG Singh 

      3 months ago from Singapore

      I have been hearing such a lot about TRUMP and the Russian connection. The fact is nothing is proved and a lot looks like surmises and conjectures. Lets see what the MUELLER investigation brings out,

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      3 months ago

      Scott

      "The massive social media campaign conducted by the Russians for the benefit of Donald Trump"

      B: This is your Russian Trump connection, and yet there is no proof. No proof that Trump and Russia did anything together. No proof that Russians social media campaign influenced the election, much less in favor of Trump. Even Rod Rosentein said that NO American was involved with the Russians, and their Media campaign didn't influence the election. That is a fact and you can find the video and have deputy AG Rod Rosenstein talk about it.

      If anyone including the Russians wanted to help Trump win the election the targets would have been the strong blue states like CA, NY and Illinois that account for 105 EC votes. But CA wasn't even close 4 million for Trump and 7 million for Hillary.

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      NOYFOB 

      4 months ago

      Scott

      Contrast this articles fantasy that has no proof to implicate Trump or even Russia into influencing the election, with proof that the intelligence agencies under Obama were biased and spied on Trump through Carter Page for one year, and Carter Page was never charged with a crime. Hillary and the Russians were documented in the Russian Dossier even though Hillary tried to hide these transactions by pushing it through her law firm.

      James Comey and the FBI, DOJ and the State Department successfully conspired to adversely affect the Trump presidential candidacy. Comey either lied or the FBIs top person didn't know the law and let Hillary stay free and not go to jail. He and others wound up getting fired for it. The IG report is filled with facts to support this statement.

      After more than two years and numerous investigations there is zero proof and Mueller had an investigation without a predicate crime.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      4 months ago

      Scott

      "And HOW is that not Factual?

      His electoral win, as I have told you before, is in the BOTTOM tier of electoral wins compared to other presidents.

      B: You call 304 to 230 squeaking by, and squeaking by is not a fact. Considering the fact that all the left biased media predicative up to Election night that Trump couldn't get 271 EC votes much less 304. You mention but don't cite other presidents EC results, but you don't acknowledge that Trump was the most underdog presidential candidate that actually won the presidency. And did the Russians or anyone else help Trump to win the Republican Primary, the answer is no. He dispatched 16 of the best the Republican party had to offer, while Hillary could barely beat here four opponents, and she clearly forced Sanders out before the primary. He was making more and more headway in his campaign, and he could have won the primary. Because of his spineless dropping out of the race is why Sanders voters didn't vote for Hillary.

      And how many presidential candidates had 16 tough candidates to compete just to get the their party's nomination to run for the presidency?

      In 2008, Hillary Clinton couldn't even make it to the democrat primary because she lost to Barack Obama an unknown, unaccomplished senator. In 2016 she was favored to easily win the presidency and she had twice the war chest of Trump. With $1.2 billion how many other presidential candidates lost with that much money? None.

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      "What convinced voters not to vote for Hillary. I could easily see from the poll movements that Comey was partly responsible,"

      B: How do you boast about Hillary winning the popular vote, and then say Comey was partly responsible. What he was responsible for was allowing her to keep out of jail, and continue to run for president. Bernie Sanders was Hillary's problem, and they didn't vote for her or Trump.

      ---------------------------

      "but it is NOW clear that the MASSIVE RUSSIAN misinformation warfare on the American public had a LOT to do with it."

      B:Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein reported that the Russians misinformation didn't involve any Americans and it didn't have any affect on the election. So, what do you think makes it Clear to you? Again, you can't boast about winning the popular vote by 3 million votes and claim the Russians had any effect on the election.

      And once again, the Fake Russian Dossier created by Hillary had people questioning their vote for Trump, but that is OK with you. The Russians were involved in the election as well as the FBI working against Trump not Hillary.

      Also NBC springs a 2005 private conversation between Billy Bush and Trump and that was OK with you.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      4 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      And HOW is that not Factual?

      His electoral win, as I have told you before, is in the BOTTOM tier of electoral wins compared to other presidents.

      What convinced voters not to vote for Hillary. I could easily see from the poll movements that Comey was partly responsible, but it is NOW clear that the MASSIVE RUSSIAN misinformation warfare on the American public had a LOT to do with it.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      4 months ago

      Scott

      "The fact is, Donald Trump squeaked by in winning the 2016 presidential election. It boiled down to less than 90,000 votes across three formerly Blue states, Pennsylvania (44,292 - 0.7%), Wisconsin (22,748 - 0.8%), and Michigan (10,704 - 0.2%). "

      B:

      That is not a fact, the fact is that Clinton was trounced at the Electoral College 304, to 230. That is hardly squeaking by and the Electoral College is the only vote that can win the presidency. The fact that Trump took those blue states is more important than the Hillary win in very blue CA. Trump had 4 million and Hillary has 7 million and she took all the EC votes with it, yet she lost the EC.

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      "There is no question that Secretary Clinton' inept campaign strategy, poor decisions, and lack of charisma set the stage for a Trump victory. But even THAT wasn't enough because other factors interfered to convince enough voters to

      1) not vote Democratic,

      B: What convinced voters to not vote for Hillary. I already mentioned that she had 7 million out of the 11 million votes in CA. You claim that Hillary won the popular vote, and then you say there was something that convinced voters not to vote for her?

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      2) vote for a 3rd Party,

      B:

      It was the Bernie Sanders voters that made that choice because of Hillary and no one else.

      ---------------------------------

      or 3) vote for Donald Trump."

      B:

      How many democrats do you think voted for Trump? How many Bernie Sanders voters voted for Trump?

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      NOYFOB 

      4 months ago

      Scott

      And in the end, Nothing!

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      5 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks Dan. I bet, if true, the BuzzFeed story will bring some Republicans over to voting for conviction in the Senate.

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      Don Shepard 

      5 months ago

      Great summary! It will be interesting to see how the Buzzfeed story pans out in the end. I see Trump as intentionally helping the Russians sew discord within the States.

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      5 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Drip. Drip. Drip. Watergate. Iran/Contra. Last minute pardons. Wars started with lies. Now Trump. Here's my question: Why do Americans keep voting for Republicans? Two of the last three presidents have been put in office with a minority of the vote - both Republicans. Drip. Drip. Drip.

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      5 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Drip. Drip. Drip. It took two years to prove Watergate. Everyone involved in Iran/Contra ended up pardoned by Bush when he came under scrutiny himself. The drips in the investigation of Trump are getting steadier. Here's my question: Why do Americans keep electing Republicans? We haven't had one in 45 years who has not proved to be either incompetent or corrupt?

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