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The Republican Spin Machine

Updated on June 2, 2010
The Republican Spin Machine
The Republican Spin Machine

The Machine

When one thinks of spin, the first things that come to mind tend to be Lawyers and Used Car Salesmen. However, everyone must stand in awe of the power and determination of the Republican Party spin machine. In the last twenty years, the Republican Spin machine has turned liberals into communists, sex into a national crisis and turned war heroes into cowards. What is even more amazing is how the Republican Spin Machine deflects attention away from the massive mistakes made by Republican leaders and eventually spins the argument to make good people believe it was the fault of Liberals. The Republican Spin Machine is truly amazing and must be stopped for the good of the nation.

The Machine At Work
The Machine At Work
The Spin Machine Are The Media Pundits That Spin Conservative Issues No Matter The Consequences
The Spin Machine Are The Media Pundits That Spin Conservative Issues No Matter The Consequences

What Is The Republican Spin Machine

It is first important to point out that the Republican Spin machine is not the regular rank and file Republican Party member. It is not the good folks that vote for Republican candidates, believe in the 2nd Amendment or believe in limited government. Those are Republicans and they must be differentiated from the spin machine because they are innocent bystanders who have genuine beliefs.

The Republican Spin Machine is the media outlets and political pundits that spin everything, yes everything, to serve solely victory. Bear in mind that victory does not mean victory for the Republican Party or even members of the Republican Party. Victory for the Republican Spin Machine is simply the embarrassment of the target of their efforts. Never mind that it is bad for the Country. Never mind that it is bad for their own party or what that party believes. Just destroy the enemy at all costs.

Fair And Balanced: Only If You Make Them Happy
Fair And Balanced: Only If You Make Them Happy

Fox News

To see the Republican Spin Machine at work in all of its glory, one simply needs to watch Fox News for about an hour. In that hour, Fox News will try to convince its viewers that Democrats are socialists who are trying to destroy the Country. Glen Beck, Fox's newest member has even stated openly that he believes that President Obama wants to create "FEMA" camps created in the image of German concentration camps. After this tirade, Beck was given a better timeslot.

Moreover, Sean Hannity is the best example of the Republican Spin Machine at work. During the Bush Administration, Hannity railed against Democrats who had the audicity of objecting or displaying disagreement with the President and said over and over again that for the good of the Country, everyone needed to get behind the President and his issues. Now that Republicans lost the White House, Hannity spends every day trying to tear down President Obama and rails against anyone, even Republicans, who shows any support for anything the President is doing. Objective disagreement is one thing, but Hannity displays nothing but Partisan rhetoric and tries to pass it off as news.

Fox News and its pundits are not the only members of the Republican Spin Machine. They are just the best known and are very effective.

At First The Bush Administration Promised That No Torture Was Taking Place
At First The Bush Administration Promised That No Torture Was Taking Place
This Was Considered An Enhanced Interrogation Technique
This Was Considered An Enhanced Interrogation Technique
The Machine Has Targeted Nancy Pelosi To Blame For The Torture Issue And She Is In Full Retreat
The Machine Has Targeted Nancy Pelosi To Blame For The Torture Issue And She Is In Full Retreat

The Republican Spin Machine At Work - The Issue Of Torture

During the Bush Administration, allegations were raised that American soldiers and other agents of the government were engaging in tactics that constitute torture against terrorists. There was an outcry against this. Even John McCain, a Republican, voiced his objection to any torture tactics being used against anyone held captive by American soldiers. A law was passed solidifying America's stance against torture. Instead, American soldiers and agents were only allowed to use "enhanced interrogation techniques."

Last month, the Obama Administration released evidence that the Bush Administration, in fact, sanctioned water boarding and other "enhanced interrogation techniques." The public was outraged. Many called for indictments.

The Republican Spin Machine went to work. At first, it blamed President Obama for releasing the information calling the release of facts a threat and danger to America because it would give those who hate us more reason to reign terror. A week later, the machine then railed against the President for not releasing information showing the valuable information that was obtained through the use of torture techniques, admitting torture was used but trying to convince the public that the ends justify the means. The machine has attacked Obama for thinking about investigating which members of the Bush Administration were to blame for the use of torture. And now, the machine has set its sights on Nancy Pelosi, the democratic Speaker Of The House. They are now stating that Pelosi knew what was going on in 2003, and because of this she is to blame for any torture techniques that may have been used.

One really has to stand in awe of the Republican Spin Machine. It is come full circle. What started as a Republican problem, and solely a Republican problem, has now now been spun to the point where all the talk is about the current Speaker of the House and what she knew and when.

The point here is that the Bush Administration openly and actively sanctioned torture. They ordered troops to conduct activities that violate American and international law. And they have been caught. Whether the justice department should investigate or intervene isn't for me to decide. But what is amazing that only in a month the story has changed and the Democrats are in full retreat mode.

The Machine Works Because Pundits Like Sean Hannity Are Willing To Say Anything To Win
The Machine Works Because Pundits Like Sean Hannity Are Willing To Say Anything To Win
The Machine Works Because Many Democratic Leaders Sit Idly By While The Machine Determines Their Public Perception
The Machine Works Because Many Democratic Leaders Sit Idly By While The Machine Determines Their Public Perception

Why It Works

Many wonder why the Republican Spin Machine works. The answer is fairly simple. The Republican Spin Machine works because most Democratic leaders are afraid to anger the monster. They are afraid to take it on directly. They are simply wimps.

John Kerry was a wimp when he allowed the Republican Spin Machine dishonor his military service and questioned his patriotism. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are not ready or willing to take it on at all. And that is why they have both been targeted for destruction. For too many years, Democrats have been to busy trying to avoid the Machine and this is one of the reasons why Republicans appear tougher on issues that relate to National Security. Most democrats won't fight and this needs to change before the machine takes the White House back in 2012.

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      bgpappa 3 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Why thank you.

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      mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

      you couldn't be righter bgpappa

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      bgpappa 3 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Mio.

      I agree. Demographics are a huge problem for the Republican Party and denying the right to vote won't fix that. Their number dwindle every year because of the anti-woman/anti-poor/anti-white rhetoric. Sad part is - it is just the extreme that have extreme views. Most Republcians are good people with good hearts who are being out shouted. And we need honest debate. 1 side having too much power is never good, even if it is my side. Need honest debate from a wide spectrum. That is what makes a democracy work.

      Thanks for stopping by.

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      bgpappa 3 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Agreed William. And I for one of tired of it. Of course I wrote this 3 years ago, but still applies today. Thanks for stopping by.

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      mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

      fortunatelly the Repubican Party keeps shrinking due to their own doing.they will still be winning congress races for a while and senate seats but they are already incapable of winning a presidential election because their electorate keeps shrinking and it will continue to do so irreversibly until it will reach a point that even with gerrymandering they simply won't have enough of a voter pool to win congress or senate seats and they will have to change or disappear .

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      d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south

      Great article and many interesting comments. Fox networks and their many followers certainly live in their own little universe of non reality. Funny how people compare Fox news networks with Rachel Maddow, CNN and others as being simply 'opinionated' networks the same as Fox. While the 'other' networks not affiliated with Foxnets are based in the real world universe Fox Network is based on a totally opposite view of reality. They don't 'report' the news they simply make it up.

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      bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Ironic isn't it. Of course, I think most networks are foreign owned at this point.

      Thanks for stopping by

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      Mike Bouska 5 years ago from Midwest USA

      The point that I find amusing is the "patriotic" Fox News channel with all its flags and eagle images, is foreign owned.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      No more span Jon. Write a hub.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Sorry Jon, no more spam

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I don't think they are stupid, just in denial and refuse to change the channel from Fox. Except for Braudboy, who I believe is passionate and believes what he says. I don't agree with him, but I respect his opinion as he brings facts and logic.

      Thanks for reading

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      mudslide49 6 years ago

      are these republicans in denial,or just stupid?

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Off topic Jon, of course, because you have no answer to the actual topic

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      JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

      ''The Republican Spin Machine''

      Check out this Series of articles tracking the stimulus money for solar and wind

      . By Russ Choma

      Blown Away: Tracking stimulus grants for renewable energy

      http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investig...

      Ps Check the TV schedule for Sept. 7, 2011 and Sept. 8, 2011 President Obama addresses the Congress

      MAYBE 2 DAYS OF ENLIGHTMENT?

      Out of 70 major wind farms that received the $4.4 billion in federal energy grants through the stimulus program, public records show that 11, which received a total of $600 million, had erected their wind towers during the Bush administration. And a total of 19 wind farms, which received $1.3 billion, were built before any of the stimulus money was distributed.

      Yet all the jobs at these wind farms are counted in the administration's figures for jobs created by the stimulus.

      Since it gave out its first grants on Sept. 1, 2009, the renewable energy stimulus program has handed out more than $5 billion to more than 1,100 projects, many of them small solar-energy projects. The largest amount of money, $4.4 billion, has gone to big wind farms.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- I would suggest to you that you be more skeptical of "global warming" and look at the political movement behind it.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Its called climate change because that is what scientists always called it. The "deepe freeze" you refer to is what scientists would said would happen. I agree with you on ethanol, it is too political. Of course, you never see a Republican say anything bad against during the Iowa caucus. I will say it though. Stop the subsidy unless all get one, including oil and coal.

      So you don't want to come up with a solution with me. Ok, I will do it and when I do, you get oil.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- global warming science is not real. They cant even back it up anymore and have turned to climate change. They had to re-name it as they were looking ridiculous as the country turns into a deep freeze every winter. BUt, even if it were real, now the next question that no one can possibly answer is this...Is it MAN_MADE global warming. This is where the con-job comes in as they try to blame man for what nature is doing. Climate has always fluctuated and man has very,very, very, little to do with that equation. Our capitalist system already has in place, incentives for the next great inventor. You should question government's interference into this equation as there is an agenda with less than noble intentions. Ethanol is a great example. This has done nothing to stabilize the so-called global warming issue. It has only dilluted our gasoline into a lesser quality product, raised the prices of refining the product, taken away some our food resources when parts of the world of starving, driven up food prices, and for what???? It has made a few people richer and played into some political favors, and done nothing else. That is government tackling our problems. NO THANKS!

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I see a more dire need because I can't see the mountains near my house on a warm summer day because of Smog. I see a dire need because beaches are covered in tar. My thinking about the environment is different than most liberals. It is not some pie in the sky save the planet for the planet's sake. The planet is fine. People are screwed. And we have the ability to do better. We have the smarts, money, and know how to do better. And we should, just the right thing to do. By the way, when you look at the science, global warming is real. Science, not politics. Not Al Gore, but the actual science. So why not start doing better. Yes, oil is king, but lets find an alternative, you and I braud, lets think of an alternative, invent it, patent it and get rich of it. And, by the way, if it reduces our dependence, helps our environment so our kids and grandkids can play outside and buys me a big house with a pool at the same time, great. But we can and should demand better, it is what Americans do.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      The difference in what we are saying is plenty. You think oil is destroying the planet (global warming, pollution,etc) and want us to change before we even find the better solution. Let me know if I am wrong. I say that oil is not doing these things, and that oil is king when it comes to the worlds energy source and it should stay that way until a legitimate better source is discovered. You see some dire time line because you have bought into the fear and misinformation from those who want regulate and tax and control.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Do you really believe everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? Really? Or could there be two points of view. We are actually saying the same thing. You say oil is today the best source of energy. I agree. But I am saying we have to think beyond today. You are saying no we don't because tomorrow is not today. Agreed, but what about tomorrow? You say it isn't here yet. Fine but it is coming. You say but not yet. Whose on First, right, what, no whats on second.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Bgpappa- it has started and has always been starting. The capitalist system always has a place for better ideas to be implemented. Where the environmentalist movement is going astray, is they are trying to force the changes of INFERIOR IDEAS BY introducing fear of "global warming" and other nonsense to force society to accept the inferior product. It is ridiculous. The markets will always be searching for the next great idea, and when it happens, THEN, and only then will oil be truly replaced. There is nothing on the horizon at the moment, and, still IDIOTS in government try to force stupidity on us such as ethanol, windmills, electric cars, and such.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I agree, oil is today. But what is wrong with thinking about tomorrow. You say it will take 50 years, ok, then lets start that 50 years now.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      It is definitely about oil. It is the fuel that produces the energy for our world economy. It is not replaceable. It is naive to think so...at least for the near future out to at least the next 50 years. We must deal with that, in spite of liberals who think we can make it on solar and wind.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Well we agree that they should end. But, could we have some oil please. Would have respected Bush more if he said what you just said about the largest oil reserve. Wouldn't have agreed to go to war, but would respect the point of view and at least it is honest. But we got no oil, we got nothing. Why did we go there again?

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      OK....you didnt just say that we should have left Iraq a destabilized region a few years ago. This region has one of the largest oil reserves on our planet and could easily fall to Iran or Russia or others who are not exactly America's friend. I dont care to give credit one way or another...but if you are going to give credit for Iraq, It surely goes to Bush rather than Obama....right? But, these wars must end soon, I agree.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      If Obama had his way in Iraq a few years ago, we would have left Iraq. What is wrong with that? Should not have been there is the first place. You can't give Bush credit for starting an illegal war then five years later finally putting enough troops in to win. Bush tried to fight two wars without enough troops or materials because he didn't want to pay for them. And if you don't think those wars have a direct effect on the state of the economy, you are mistaken. If you, and I, want to cut federal spending, those wars are a good place to start.

      Yes, we all believed in Afghanistan. I did, you did, because they were the people who help attack us on 911. Only if Bush would have kept the focus where it belonged. But I am over it, I think you are too, as Osama appears to have moved away or died (who knows?), so Obama is getting us out, less troops, less money. What exactly is wrong with that?

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Obama has stated he beilieves in the mission in Afghanistan. He has ramped up the war effort. Of course republicans dont agree with cutting and running, but we are not talking about them. The question is ...does Obama believe in ending the war...and the answer is NO if you look at his actions. OH, and Iraq is much better thanks to a "surge" strategy implemented by the Bush admin and opposed by Obama and most democrats. If Obama had his way in Iraq a few years ago, it would have been a disaster.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Agreed, I hate the bailouts. Wrote a hub about how I hate the bailouts. But the wars, Obama deserves no blame. Bush started them, then mismanaged them, made promises to the people he was bombing. Can't just cut and run, I am sure I heard Republicans say that over and over again. Everytime he makes a move towards getting us out of either mess, Republicans throw a tantrum about how Unamerican Obama is. He puts a plan in place to get out of Afghanistan and Republicans called him a traitor. Oh, by the way, Iraq is much better, troops not in as much danger, and there is much fewer troops there. I know Obama didn't pull a Greatest American Hero photo op and land on an aircraft carrier and declare mission accomplished, but it almost is. Are you paying attention or are you just paying attention to Fox News.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      I have never said Bush is blameless. He made many mistakes. What I realize is, however, is that republicans will do much less damage than democrats. Dems are pushing us toward a big-government, socialist, nanny state that is unsustainable. Republicans are making mistakes but are not near as dangerous. ...and I have got some news for you, Obama and company are all in on bailouts and war. Are you paying attention????

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      If you really think the Government is the cause of all the problems but are not willing to blame Bush for a lot of it, then you really have no point. I agree spending is too high though. Lets cut the corporate bailouts and stop the wars. Spending would be much lower then.

      THanks for the comment.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      I did give Obama credit for doing the right thing. I just said it was the right thing to do. But, I also realize he didnt want to do it and would not have done it, except his party was soundly defeated in the mid term elections. Liberals need to understand that the main problem with this country is not that we dont collect enough taxes, ....WE DO!. The problem is that we have a government that is out of control and spends way too much money(mostly trying to please the left of this country). It must stop.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Lol, Bush lost millions of jobs, CBO says jobs saved and made under Obama. You won't admit it, the economy is improving and has been all year. I know, Fox News doesn't say it so you won't believe it, facts are facts. And buy the way, where is all the jobs the Bush tax cuts were going to create? Oh, ya, tax cuts during two wars, nice move there. I under stand trickle down theory very well, there is just no evidence that it has ever worked. I disagree on Obama on this one, think he is doing the wrong thing. But notice how you won't give him credit for doing what you think is the right thing. Odd isn't it.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      I named one more guy. I know about it because it was my local election. I explained to you that the media did not tout the "tea party success". Any way, around 70 or so dems got replaced in the house, and that is a good thing. And... Look,I understand you hate to admit it, but come on. Obama ran on the promise of ending the Bush tax cuts. He has constantly talked up the ending of those tax breaks for the wealthy because the "loonies of the left" love that stuff. Anyway, he caved, and he should have. It is what is right for the economy. Oh, and by the way, it is not really a tax cut. It is preserving the current tax rates that have been in place for about 10 years. And it does work for the deficit because it keeps our economy from tanking in 2011 or at least gives it a better chance of succeeding. It is funny how liberals can buy Obama's claims that he saved jobs, even as we lost millions of jobs, but you cant understand that keeping tax rates lower can spur on an economy resulting in increased tax revenues. Suddenly you just cant think outside the box.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      You named one guy, the majority of them lost. Republicans are in charge of one House of Congress, they have an interest in the Country actually doing well now. The extension of the Bush tax cuts was working with Obama, not over him. He says No and they don't get them. Yea, tax cuts for the rich at the expense of everyone else, how exactly does that work for the deficit, which last week the Republicans said they cared about.

      However, to be truthful, as long as I get a tax cut too I am all for it. I could use one.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Tea partiers did better than you think. You hear only of the higher profile ones and the ones the press wanted to emphasize to show Palins defeats. We had a tea party winner in my district of south mississippi. The name is Steve Palazzo and he defeated Gene Taylor, a 10 term conservative democrat. Republicans will do plenty, but they are still not in charge. Even being in the minority, they worked over Obama on extending the Bush tax rates. How about that?

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Braud, look closley. Except for Ron Paul's son (not a knock on him, just can't remember his first name right now for some reason) the tea party candidates did not do very well in the general election. Moderate Republicans did very well. While the tea party brought energy no doubt, they didn't get as many victories as they would like to think. Republicans won, they deserved to win, Congressional Democrats blew it. I really can't deny you that, they blew it. BUt let us not make it out to be more than what it was. A shift away from a sitting President who failed to lead, and congressional democrats who failed to possess a spine.

      Odd though, when Republicans can't blame Obama, what are they going to do? By the way, the economy is still improving, jobs are on the rise... slowly, slowly, slowly.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Of course it is the moderate democrats who took the hit. The "hard left" liberals are in strong liberal districts. It will always be the moderate democrats and moderate republicans who fall as the political winds shift. You are wrong that the country is crying for middle. It is what liberals want to believ when they lose elections. It was the "tea partiers" and the conservative movement who energized this last election cycle. They were inspired by the horrors of an Obama-run gov't.

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      bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Think the same about Pelosi and Reid. But, if you look closley, it was the "moderate" democrats who took the hits. Not the liberals. And the far right lost too from O'Donnell to the Nazi, they all lost. So the country is crying for middle.

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      braudboy 6 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      BGPAPPA- I Thought I would check in with you about the recent election. Pretty much as I predicted, The voters of America are not at all happy with Obama, Pelosi, and the liberal agenda being pushed by democrats in Washington. What do you think?

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Oil spill in the gulf will cost a lot more than the moratorioum. And your estimate of 100,000 jobs is riduculous and amazingly not supported by any evidence.

      And it is conservatives that want a communist country. USSR and China in practice were run and owned by a simple few, who paid no little taxes and everyone depended on them for their well being. A junta if you will. That is what conservatives are fighting for.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      Check this one out.

      Barak Obama and the oil spill in the gulf

      Barak Obama places a drilling moratorium on drilling

      cost to economy 100,000 jobs

      Get out from under the rocks and admit the truth that Obama and the Democrats are incompetent in running the government. If you a socialist government try Russia or maybe Cuba.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Well first, the poverty rate rose because of the Bush economic policies, again, you are amazingly forgetting that Bush and the REpublicans were in charge for 8 years. 6 years the Republicans were in charge of Congress. What happened was their fault. Yes, we have a deficit, nobody denies that. But really, 4 trillion for tax cuts for the rich is the answer? Please.

      Even your facts show the economy is slowly improving. The improvement has slowed, but improvement is improvement, so you are arguing that it isn't happening fast enough. You prefer the free fall? You prefer the Katrina effect on our economy where Bush sat back and did nothing until it was too late? The economy is improving, which is amazing when you think how bad it was.

      Wake up Jon, admit the truth.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      Part of your problems are the source of your information. To find out what's going on in the economy, read the business sections in your local papers.

      Obama’s first year in office the poverty rate rose from 13.2% to 14.3% according to the Census Bureau. There are 43.6 million people, now 1 in 7, live in poverty.

      Americans without Healthcare coverage rose 15.4% (50.7 million people) to 16.7%.Medium household income in 2009 was $49,777 down 0.7% from a year ago.

      Unemployment is now 9.7% up from 4.6% in Jan 2007 ( Dems took over control of congress)

      14.9 MILLION OUT OF WORK and no end in sight.

      On 9/17/10 Economist said a report confirmed that DEFLATION is not an immediate treat to the economy. DEFLATION is a prolonged drop in prices and wages. On 9/22/10 a different story comes from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. The Federal Reserve will take further steps to boost the economy because of the weakness of the recovery. The Fed concluded that economic activity has slowed in recent months. Note that President Obama and the Media reports the opposite.

      Chairman Bernanke last month indicated a preference to launch a new program to buy large amounts of government debt. The government prints more money, sells the debt to the fed, the fed funds more government. That’s a ponzi scheme, people go to prison for those actions. The mainstream media don’t print news like that, that’s bad for us citizens to knowing the true debt of the nation.

      Wake up America , seek the truth and nothing but the whole truth.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      If trickle down worked the way the theory suggests, I would be all for it. But it doesn't. The years under Bush taught us that. I am for tax cuts, just for people that need them.

      The democrats are targeted for defeat for two reasons 1). Democratic Congressional leadership is weak and they are not willing to fight for anything; 2). Republicans lying about the current state of affairs because they have no answers (except of course tax cuts). Democrats deserve to lose, I don't deny that, but lets talk about the real reason. They have moved right, are pandering to corporate interests. They are acting like moderate Republicans except they aren't willing to fight. Democrats have no guts these days and that is why they may lose in November.

      But the economy is improving. Even your argument "not rebounded" is what Fox has shifted to: It didn't happen fast enough. It was a free fall, and that was stopped, all that momentum stopped. And now it is gaining, slowly but surely. We will see.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- if the country is making such a great turn around, with an improving economy and so-forth, why do you suppose all signals point to a terrible defeat for democrats in this mid-term election????? The plain facts are that this country has not rebounded, mainly due to poor policy decision and poor leadership in Washington which all points to democrats. They will pay for it in November.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- It is not just tax cuts for the top 1 %....it is accross the board. Tax rates are too high. It just so happens that the top 1% pay the most taxes. Why do you think government can better spend money than the private sector. Do you not know how to spend your money and do the right thing with it??? Do you need govt to be your daddy????? YOu have been duped. Govt should have a limited role in our lives and we should be able to keep more of the money we earn.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      You know, could it be that Republicans are just sore losers. The economy is improving, and instead of trying to convince people that it is not, you should be rejoicing. You are making money. I am making money. More people are making money. Home prices are slowly rising. The economy is improving. Even on Fox News they have given up. They are now preaching how it would have improved faster had McCain won. Ya right. Deal with it, and I hope you prosper my friend. Because if you win, and I win, and everyone wins, we all win. Don't cheer for failure, hope endures.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      My friend bgpappa

      ''From Jan 2007 through January 2009, the Republicans controlled the White house''.WRONG AGAIN, A (ONE) REPUBLICAN, President George W. Bush from 2000 to 2008 controlled the white house.

      The Republicans controlled Congress (a separate branch of our government )from 2000 to 2006.

      The Democrats controlled Congress 2007 and 2008. Yes if you want to be technical the new congress was sworn in the following Jan after the election.

      Note that congress (a separate branch) runs the government, the president (executive branch)manages the departments of the government.

      The economy is not improving as well as we are being told, it’s all a farce,properganda and bull.

      WAKE UP,the truth will set you free.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      From Jan 2007 through January 2009, the Republicans controlled the White house. Do you think I touched a nerve by pointing out the truth. 8 years to destroy the economy. Less that two years and things are improving. Keep trying Jon, keep trying.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      HUBBERS

      THE PROPERGANDA GOES ON NOW WITH THE APPROACHING ELECTIONS.

      A score card for both sides to consider.

      ‘’From December 2007 to March 2009, 5.1 million people lost their jobs, and in December 2007 Unemployment stood at 5%‘’ UNDER BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY CONGRESS UNEMPLOYMENT WAS 4.6% IN DEC 2006. JAN 2007 THE DEMOCRATS TOOK MAJORITY CONTROL OF CONGRESS.IT TOOK ONLY 12 MONTHS FOR THE RECESSION TO START UNDER THE DEMOCRAT‘S CONTROL. YES, SENATOR BARAK OBAMA WAS IN THE SENATE TOO.THE DEMS AND OBAMA VOTED TO PASS PASSED TARP ( 700BILLION) TO BAIL OUT WALLSTREET.

      FOR ALL FORTHCOMING DISCUSSIONS REMEMBER THAT THE REPUBLICANS SINCE JAN 2007 HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING REGARDING LEGISLATION UP TO THE PRESENT.President Barak Obama and the Democrats BLAMING THE REPUBLICANS FOR TODAYS PROBLEMS IS TO BE DESINGENIOUS AND SIMPLY FALSE..

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      THE WORD IS '' FOOL ''.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      You really don't get it. Bush and the Republicans ran this Country into the ground. Now you can't stand the fact that the economy is improving. Jobs are coming back. Consumer Confidence is rising. Don't cheer against the country just to win the midterms. Don't cheer for people to suffer just so you can get rid of a PResident you hate for no real reason. I don't have to answer your questions. I wrote a hub. My answer is out there. You won't address the original point because you can't. All you can do is whine and try to use fear. No results, no answers, just fear. Now that is spin.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      Kids stuff, you tell me first and then I will answer.Don't forget who has been running the government into the ground? Pelosi and Reid in charge for the last 4 years (2007 to 2010)Senator Obama ,2007 ,2008 and in full charge 2009 to the present. Incompetence,irresponsible, arrogant and just plain over his head.PLEASE TRY TO ANSWER MY LAST REPLY IF YOU CAN.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Odd, its the Republicans who say that is how much it will cost, I guess they are the idiots. As for broadening my mind - TAX CUTS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING. Wars cost money. Bailing out your beloved corporations cost money. Why not a middle class tax cut, or as the one proposed, a tax cut for businesses who are growing? Buy more machines, get a tax cut. Hire employees, get a tax cut. Why is it always the top one percent. They don't create the jobs you promise. They don't create the revenue you claim. They keep the money, they save it, they send it to the Kayman Islands. I am not hating, I would do the same. Human nature.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- Your question is bogus! First of all, you cannot use simple math (all that liberals can understand) to apply to the complicated mathematic formula that is the U.S. economy. You cannot say that a tax cut costs 4 trillion dollars. By using that idiotic and static thinking, you do not account for the future expectations of a more energetic economy where more private dollars are in play to spend, create wealth and jobs, and the resulting increase in revenues that result. Try to expand your mind beyond what government tells you to think. You have bought into the idea that government knows better how to allocate the recources than private individuals and companies.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Tell you what Jon, you actually answer some of my questions, and I will answer yours, again. Trickle down economics. But I find is disingenous for Republicans for months whining about the deficit and their answer adds another 4 trillion to it without any explanation whatsoever how its going to be paid for.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, PLEASE

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      ya, ya, trickle down, trickle down. Tried that, didn't work. In over thirty years, republicans haven't been able to think of anything new. Amazing.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      ''The Republican answer, a 4 trillion dollar tax cut. Now that is spin.''

      I BET YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT TAX CUT. CAN YOU?

      I'M SURE THAT BARAK OBAMA CAN'T EXPLAIN IT EITHER.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Yes Jon,

      and The Republican answer, a 4 trillion dollar tax cut. Now that is spin.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      HUBBERS

      The truth will set you free someday, hopefully before the nation goes broke. The CBO announced that the 2010 $1.4 trillion deficit is the second highest in US history. Spin Spin ,that's the tune!

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      "I'm a compassionate conservative." Strange language where Bush actually felt he had to distiguish himself from other conservatives. But the point remains, both sides engage in spin, the Republicans just do it better because they don't care about facts. Such as today, the economic numbers are doing ok, not great I admit, but ok yet if you watch Fox News the world is going to end and any improvement gets a "it would have been faster." Great spin, really top notch.

      Thanks for the comment.

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      Steven Miller 7 years ago from Ohio Great City of Dayton

      braudboy, my friend is a neo nazi because of FOX. I do not watch MSNBC. I do valid research, I am a college student. Oh wait better not say that, I do not think it will help my cause. lol Darn Liberal Colleges. Here is another one. "Republicans think with their brains, while the stupid liberal thinks with their hearts." I loved that one my fathers conservative friend told me the other day. Especially because the Conservatives call themselves "Christians" Good luck bgpappa, well you will do just fine against these crazy conservatives. They are the minority. So rich you would think they were the majority though. I will give them that the Conservative Republicans seem to have found Joseph Goebbels the king of propaganda. GOD help us all.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Really, a Republican is going to raise a "too much" vacation argument when Bush was on vacation so much during his reign. Don't even go there.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa

      Where do fools go from here? Don't miss Beck next week, Obama on the road again and to celebrate Labor Day.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Me too

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Good job bgpappa- I will be looking forward to some more debate in the near future.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I like good debate as well. Might not change my mind, but earned my respect. I appreciate people like you that are 1) passionate about their beliefs 2) willing to put themselves out there and 3) bring something to the table other than rhetoric and insults. Welcome to bring forth your conservative ideals here anytime, just don't be suprised if I say the opposite.

      Middle ground is a good thing. Can we at least do what we all seem to agree on? Only if politicians thought that way (and I speak about both sides)

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Hey bgpappa- I dont like where this is going. I am starting to like you.(ha ha). I love a good debate and you are up to the challenge. There is certainly some middle ground out there somewhere.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      So the answer is somewhere in the middle then. Greedy Corporations versus incompetent government. At least I have some some with government, me and my friends (which includes you), corporations not so much. But I don't want government control of everything either, so the answer is somewhere in the middle. Been the debate in America since the start - kind of cool its still happening today

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- I could say the same about government. In theory, they promise great things they will accomplish with our tax dollars, but they never fulfill their promises. They waste and politicize and power-grab, instead of looking out for the people. You should look at the facts of govnerment's record of being prudent with the public treasury, it is a dispicable one and they cannot be trusted. I am just saying that government's role should be a limited one and that the people, the corporations, and any entity that is making money, should be allowed to keep as much as possible to re-invest, spend, and stimulate the economy from a private-sector direction, instead of a corrupt, politically-motivated gov't direction.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I understand the theory, the theory sounds great. The only problem is the corporations don't do what you say they are going to do, not to the extent that you (or any Republican) describes. They outsource jobs. I think the money is better in the hands of the people than corporations. Tax cuts are fine, but why should only corporations and the richest 1% prosper. Middle class tax cuts have a history of growing the economy. My problem is that Republicans hold on to the theory, without looking at facts. What you describe just doesn't happen. The bailouts proved that.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      bgpappa- you miss the point of cutting tax rates on the wealthy. Do you not see that these are the people who own businesses and have the ability to grow and energize the economy? IT is a calculated decision by conservatives that this money is better utilized in their hands to hire workers, start up capital ventures, and to grow the economy. Why do you think that governments can better spend this money? The net result, when money is properly utilized in the private sector, is to grow and prosper the economy which the net result of is a larger tax revenue for the U.S. treasury.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      And frankly, you are a typical conservative. You cite the federal government is incompetent and then Republicans do everything in their power to make it true. The very time period you refer to was George Bush and Republican Congress. Now you argue that they screwed up and we should blame Democrats. And, of course, you cite no facts. Only call mine trivial with no support. "Sure, the GOP didn't stop it." No, the GOP cuts taxes, then increases spending. And I am not hyped about the wars, only want Republicans to acknowledge that while the wars were being waged, of them illegal with no purpose, they didn't pay for them. They didn't want the richest 1% to have to sacrafice a little, so they cut taxes. Now, that Obama has ended one war and is actually managing the other (oppopsed to ignoring it like his predecessor), Republicans want to strap him to the bill. That is the hypocracy I am referring to. We are actually in agreement about the bailouts, I think that was wasteful spending as well.

      Your little name calling games really don't help out your argument. Only shows how childish your argument is. Seriously, your one step above your momma jokes at this point. Get a life, or cite some facts. Either way, you are wrong, you know it, can't do anything about, so you howl at the moon. The very definition of desperate. Typical Republican. Screw up and destroy the country and now complaining about how fast it is getting fixed.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      You post rhetoric, and then shout "you never cite facts". Duhhh. Hypocrite.

      But more importantly, your efforts to link, and your apparent belief in certain causal relationships between certain trivial facts betrays your lack of grasp of the entire picture. You desperately want to make argument about Bush and the GOP, but nothing you want to argue has any merit, because the first problem is that neither is the problem. The problem is runaway spending. Sure, the GOP didn't stop it, but it was the Democrats who FOUGHT FOR IT. You're all hyped about military action in Iraq and Afghanistan, but can't see any problem with the government agencies sponsoring 12 TRILLION in debt - a good lot of it underwater, poorly documented, based on inflated (the bubble caused by the debt itself ) unrealistic values, substandard credit borrower mortgages - at interest rates way too low to ever recover from the now obvious default rates and the depreciation of the assets borrowed against.

      This was something the GOVERNMENT SPECIFICALLY CHARTERED FANNIE AND FREDDIE TO DO. In other words, our financial markets problems were DELIBERATELY CREATED by people who intended to do exactly what was done. And you view those people as the SOLUTION to the problem.

      Frankly, you're irrational.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      You never cite facts. Just you little insults and conclusions. Really, you don't think ten years of two wars without paying for them have taken their toll? The Iraq war has cost nearly 3 trillion dollars, 1/4 of the number you state. You can't be so narrow minded to think other factors led to the meltdown. And the two biggest offenders as you say, please remember, that was George Bush's federal government.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      That's just a whole bunch of nonsense. Blather. You fail to grasp that the "wars" and "gas prices" and such are MINISCULE in comparison to all that debt. 12 TRILLION DOLLARS. In roughly 5 years. None of the nonsense you mention is even a small fraction of the dollar amount, much less anything that ended up cause credit market collapse. As for lending without adequate reserves"? The biggest two offenders are the lenders RUN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Your ignorance of what's really happened is staggering.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Right, and all those banks lending without capital reserves and no regulations had nothing to do with it. Corporations forging books and numbers, outsourcing, and evading taxes had nothing to do with it. Gas prices and two wars had nothing to do with it, right. I do agree the government, under Bush, deserves some blame, but not even I blame him for everything. Simply pointing the finger at government is too simplistic and narrow. Everyone, including ordinary Americans, had a role to play in the Great Recession. At least admit that.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      Obviously, you have no idea what's going on. The Bailout was the "fix" for the problem that government created in the first place. The problem was 12 trillion in mortgages backed and shoved into the marketplace by government owned entities. That's 12 TRILLION in mortgages, in just a few years. It completely distorted the credit markets, real estate markets, housing markets, investment markets, etc. The "bailout" was only "needd" because of the effects of what government did in the first place.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Much of that money went to save your precious markets - bailouts I am speaking of. Market would be dead if not for government spending.

      Economy grew by 1.6% last quarter. The economy GREW. what say you to that.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      "The economy is getting better and the stimulus worked" Is only true in some fantasy land. The economy is not getting better, the stimulus did not work. The borrowing removed capital from the productive markets, and instead, spent it on non productive "expensing". It was not invested in technology, growth, productivity, or in any other productive manner. The money was taken from the markets where it MIGHT have been used productively. The economy is not improving, it is failing, because the insane Adminsitration and Congress have been undermining the entire foundation for and the entire mechanism which makes the economy work. Their thuggish attacks on industry, and willingness to destroy the systems in place to replace them with artificial and unworking ones has all but completely undermined any reason for anyone to invest or risk anything.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      The economy is getting better and the stimulus worked. Not spin, fact.

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      JON EWALL 7 years ago from usa

      bgpappa,bgpappa

      ugh ugh ugh and ya ya ya ,back to the stone ages ?

      Be nice and except the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The recent spin, VP Biden telling the American people that the economy is getting better and that the stimulus worked.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      ya ya ya.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      Well, you may be right. Debate is not fun when you're wholly wrong and insist on being so.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      ugh. I enjoy good debate. But you have to bring something to the table. You bring nothing are aren't worth the time at this point.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      You think the GOP can out-spin Democrats? What planet do you live on? How did you lose contact with reality? Frankly, I care nothing about "spinning" since all of it's as shallow as a sheet of paper lying flat. If anyone is influenced by it, other than the media (who is too dumb to think) they literally have got to be complete non-thinkers.

      I note your typical liberal haste to attack my character immediately. Please note, this hub, these comments, are about what YOU think. Attacking my character over my pointing out your flagrant hypocrisy and lack of principled commentary is as juvenile as the 1st grader shouting "He started it!".

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      I agree, my problem is that Republicans are better at it. I am pretty sure I have said that time and time again. I asking you because I am wondering if you are principled or just another conservative who only points fingers. You have answered my question.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      You: "I asked you what spin you are referring to." My answer is obvious to any logical person. ALL SPIN from the Democrats. Duhh. You're here whining and moaning about the GOP spinning things. If the problem is "spinning" then you have to complain about the Democrats "spinning". After all, if that's bad, it's bad, no matter who is doing it. But, you're not moved to complain about Democrats spinning, only the GOP. You've repeatedly proved my point, those whole thing is PARTISAN, not principled, rant. After all, if spin were the sin, then Democrats spinning would be just as egregious and you'd have included it in your rant. But you didn't. And no, I don't howl at the moon. You were, if there's to be any metaphorical truth here.

      If you have to ask me "what spin?", meaning you can't find any, or none bothers you enough to mention, then again, your sole motivation is partisanship, not principle. But the, you admitted you're a liberal, which means "party first, foremost, forever, above all else".

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Again, there is a button: Other Hubs. Otherwise you are just howling at the moon. And if you are going to quote me, at loeast do it right. I asked you what spin you are referring to. Typical Conservative response. Misquoate, mislead and most importantly, offer nothing substantive. Just insults. And by the way, I didn't run from the democratic party, they ran from me. The current crop of democrats are no better than Republicans; unpricipled, unreasoned. They have run from to the middle, crossed the middle and are basically "moderate" Republicans at this point. corporate welfare, cap and trade. These were Republican ideals before.

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      What do you mean "What democratic spin"? Surely you're joking, for you could not possibly say "there is no Democrat spin". So, unless you're currently editing a hub page to denounce all the Democrat spin and about to publish it, you're just a hypocritical partisan, complaining about what's supposedly bad from one party, while ignoring it from the other. And, you CAN try to run from the Democrat party if you wish. I do understand rats fleeing the ship, but you're not fooling me, your words are wholly partisan, not idealistic or principled.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      What democratic spin do you refer. By the way, there is a link to click for other hubs by me, and you will see that I have no problem denouncing democracts. I don't consider myself a democrat. I am a liberal. The democratic party waived bye bye to me a long time ago.

      But I notice you don't actually defend the right, you point fingers. That is spin in itself. You make broad accusations without any facts, another conservative tactic. What exactly do you stand for?

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      weholdthesetruths 7 years ago from Western Flyover Country

      So, in this long rant, why did I miss your criticism of the Democrat spin machine? Are you a big hypocrite and only against GOP spin, pretending it's bad, while ignoring Democrat spin? Or, as I suspect, you're just a partisan, who posts spin constantly yourself, full of finger pointing at the "other guy" pretending to be virtuous, while being the actual incarnation of the evil you profess to complain about?

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Thank you, but no. Old Jewish saying.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      GOd bless you. (did you sneeze?)

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Oy vey

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      Sorry....I dont twist in the wind with my opinions like some. Global warming is ridiculous. Man doesnt affect climates. It is a con-game designed to fool the weak-minded. I am not surprise that you have been duped.

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      bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California

      Really, you don't believe in global warming. Even George I believed in Global warming. John McCain, Colin Powell all acknowledged Global warming. Really. I bet if Obama came out tomorrow saying he didn't believe in Global Warming, you would start advocating environmental protection just to spite him. Real scientists are almost unaminous, global warming is a threat.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      "Scientists, except the ones who don't believe in evolution, all agree that Global Warming is a threat"

      Oh, you mean all of the ignorant scientists believe that global warming is a threat.

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      braudboy 7 years ago from Long Beach, MS

      I speak to republican politicians when I refer to support. ...oh, and I do like science. I dont, however, like biased scientists who live off of grant money and political payoffs to skew their research. If you look intowhat real scientific research is, you will not find it in the global warming arena. All a bunch of convaluted theories that havent even come close to being proven. All trumped up by a political movement that has no interest in the truth, but is driven by money and political power.