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Trump Stumbles With Ukraine Into Impeachment

Updated on September 26, 2019

Birds of a feather do flock together in the poilitcal realm

Okay, let's see if we can be clear with facts. No spinning or manipulation, something Trump does on a daily basis. While Trump,in his own mind, may think that strong arming or "heavily hinting and suggesting" is common place in real estate deals that he has made, it is not something a president of a country should do, especially when the U.S. Constitution forbids it.

It is actually a crime ethically, morally, and maybe criminally. Now, Republicans will follow the talking points about how there was no quid pro quo and hence, nothing to impeach about. They are wrong. There doesn't have to be. All that is needed is that POTUS simply needed to have leverage, ask a favor of a foreign government or entity to investigate a U.S. citizen, in this case, a political opponent in an upcoming election in order to get some "dirt".

President Trump did all three.

A week before Trump's phone call to the president of Ukraine, the military aid package of $400 million for Ukraine was stopped. The aid was already approved. When Ukraine found out it was was not coming, there was no reason given. They were mystified. Now, Trump makes the phone call and like a Godfather of some mafia organization, in polite terms, heavily insinuates that Ukraine owes Trump a favor. I would call this a soft strong arming. Using praise and hints, Trump sent his message to the Ukrainian president that the aid package was held up until some favor and reciprocity was agreed to by Ukraine. Trump alluded to what he expected without outright saying it. This was to CYA. The Ukrainian president clearly knew what it was Trump was conveying and he wanted that US aid package! Trump wanted an investigation into Joe Biden and his son dealings back in 2014-16 and claiming what happened there was corruption. The Ukrainians found nothing then. The case was closed long before Joe Biden, with the approval of Obama and many other EU nations, that the Ukrainian prosecutor should be fired for being corrupt and not doing his job, and if he was not, the US loan would not be forthcoming.

The difference here is that Biden was authorized by Obama to do this. Biden was not gaining any personal benefit from this and neither was his son. With Trump, he is gaining personal benefit from any dirt on Biden since Biden will be running against Trump in the 2020 election. Trump is just trying to smear Biden's name in a presidential election cycle. Worse, Trump continues to spin the Clinton server fantasy and that the emails may be in the Ukraine. The sad thing thing is that many of his nut cases who follow Trump really believe this devoutly. They believe Trump's gospel.

Even during his press conference, Trump simply lies. Take the comment about how only the US has given millions of dollars in aid to the Ukraine, all to use as leverage against them, and the EU countries have not. The real fact is that the EU have given the Ukraine BILLIONS of dollars. Specifically, Germany gave $1.1 billion, while the USA just $926 million. The total amount from all EU countries is $1.8 billion.

END GAME

With the whistle blower report and the testimony coming, the Democrats have a near smoking gun, in addition to the Mueller obstruction charges. Both sides are entrenched in their own universes as to how they interpret the facts of the case. They are light years apart. Why are the Republicans so dedicated to a president that is a disgrace, maybe it is just because of the party trying to save face. The Democrats have more authority to get the materials that Trump has been refusing to provide. Trump is daring them to impeach. There will be more investigations and how this impacts the coming election in 2020 is anyone's guess.

If more damaging information comes out on Trump, he should be worried. POTUS is in a high place (president) and he has committed crimes ethically, morally, wrong. The question remains what is the end result of all this.

Acquittal.

Unless, more Republicans turn against him in the Senate, Trump will claim victory as he did with Mueller.

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    • Spiral Illusion profile image

      Spiral Illusion 

      9 months ago

      Just a bit of history. The incarcerated Bill Cosby's son was killed by the Ukrainians. His actions (Bill Cosby), continued to fall into the time out mode. Joe Biden runs for President and the state of Pennsylvania gets hit with the I killed your son you rapist. I'm not supporting your leadership to remind me of the saying "The Apple Don't Fall Far From The Tree". To wrap things up. I think it was an attack on the individual Joe Biden and the state of Pennsylvania. We are not expected to sympathize with one of the State's top idol's, just remember cause and effect. Some people never forget and others pay for their actions.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      9 months ago

      As to the whistleblower allegations, we need to hear it from those who told the whistleblower the information to further prosecute the case and Pelosi is aware of this legal requirement. But on its face, it looks so damning and then try to cover it up. Trump may now attack Iran to divert the attention of the American voters.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Uhm....the source was trump. Twice.

      “Russia, if you’re listening”, and “Yeah, I talked to him about Biden”

      ......You know, a guy who was exonerated 8 years ago and whose “corruption” never bothered trump in his 2.5 years in office until he decided to contest him for the presidency.

      Like I said, trump is transparent. Not in his actions, but in his behavior. He does everything secretly, but his personality is easy to read. Totally self serving. Totally all of the time.

      I’m really curious how his supporters defend his secret server, where he stores gvt info that he doesn’t want his employers (us) to see.

      Isn’t that lock him up behavior?

      Shouldn’t they be absolutely flaming in outrage?

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      9 months ago

      That’s why we need to talk to the sources, duh!

    • Ken Burgess profile image

      Ken Burgess 

      9 months ago from Florida

      I heard from a source, that heard from a source, that heard from someone who read the transcript that Trump mentioned Biden, whose son made 1.8 billion disappear.

      We better impeach him before he exposes us all!!!

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Too bad they didn’t come sooner. And too bad when he did it to Hillary, nobody cared.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      9 months ago

      Having read the whistleblower complaint, if any of the hearsay is proven to be true, more republican defections will come. It is very disturbing, too bad at this stage it is not from an eyewitness

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @OPCGhost

      “Rod Blagojevich got 14 years for trying to barter a mere Senate seat for a donation.

      Trump tried to use 400 million in taxpayer funded aid to get a country to make up a false charge and help influence a Presidential election.

      140 years, easy.“

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah, he could get away with it. We could end up with a unitary executive, and the congress and the courts simply meaningless empty suits.

      In fact, I know there are people who would like that. There are people who actually dream of a civil war against librruls.

      But you know, the institutions that these people all hate are there for a reason.

      We are not to allow any one person to have such power. We are here specifically to prevent that.

      Trump vs America......we’ll see who wins.

      My bet is on America.

      But yes, we could end up like Nazi germany, or Putin’s Russia.

      At least I’ll know I objected all along.

    • emge profile image

      MG Singh 

      9 months ago from Singapore

      Not going to be easy to impeach Trump but astrological forecasts are firm that he will be impeached. Lets see , though it will be good riddance if he goes.

    • JAKE Earthshine profile image

      JAKE Earthshine 

      9 months ago from Milky-Way Galaxy ~ 4th Planet from the SUN

      House Dems are IMPEACHING Trump as they must do, as I and a few others around here had predicted which was certainly not difficult to foresee considering the shear level and magnitude of Trump's arroganc and madness, it would be nothing less than insane not to impeach this most corrupt circus clown: Then, they transfer the process to the senate where "Moscow" Mitch McConnell and the rest of these complicit republicans will be forced to either continue the dangerously absurd charade of PRETENDING Donald has committed no High Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity, or finally do the right and responsible thing and "FLIP" over to the GOOD Holy side to stand with the USA, her flag and her people:

      However, if we INDICT Donald prior to his potential impeachment REMOVAL from our oval office, for his egregiously foul, abominable mis-deeds, a process which is legally feasible, Prison time should be in the offing: COLD Damp Creepy Dungeonous Cells, Big Bad Angry and Hostile Inmates, No Orange Tanning Paint, No Golf or Greasy Fried Chicken Buckets and No Man Girdles to be found:

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      9 months ago

      Well, let's be a little careful. Things could roll out differently than the Dems expect.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Scaramucci:

      https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/117656823493...

      If this backfires on dems, America deserves trump. But we can see that it won’t. The far right intolerants are a small minority. What needs to be removed after trump is the electoral college.

      And Citizens United.

      It says for the people. Not a favored few.

    • JAKE Earthshine profile image

      JAKE Earthshine 

      9 months ago from Milky-Way Galaxy ~ 4th Planet from the SUN

      Republicans have been "Jumping" the "Trump Ship" and will continue to do so: Anthony Scaramucci finally realized our only habitable planet and his children are far more important to him than his allegiance to a mad, 73 year old nut case who cares about himself and himself only: Imagine that, of all the challenges and calamities that need IMMEDIATE Attention like HealthCARE, National Security, our Ailing Environment, Turmoil across the world, Donald is on the phone with foreign leaders coercing them into helping him with his CRASHING 2020 Campaign: UNREAL:

      Just how many CRIMES did Donald believe he could get away with before his house of CARDS Collapsed Completely??

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      9 months ago

      Well, there is always the chance it all backfires on the Dems but with the damning whistleblower paper out, even though it is not eyewitness, it is bad for trump unless you choose to ignore it all. There will be another investigation for sure about this and other bad things in the WH. Yet, Trump is an idiot to threaten the whistleblower as being a spy and should be executed like back in the day. The hearings today yielded very little IMO. But, nothing will now get done in the senate or congress-battle lines have been drawn and things will change only if more republicans jump the trump ship.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Good god......this takes my breathe away....holy mother of god

      https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764582548/whistlebl...

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh brother. That koolaide is strong.fact check: everyone already knew about hunter Biden.

      It’s already been investigated.

      CrowdStrike? What is this, q anon crap?

      Here’s what everybody knows:

      Trump asked prez of Ukraine to help him damage Biden, because trump can’t lose. As soon as he leaves that office, his ass is grass.

      There is no way he gets out of this one. Sorry. His life caught up to him.

    • Ken Burgess profile image

      Ken Burgess 

      9 months ago from Florida

      Trump once again proved how deceptively brilliant he can be.

      No one would have been talking about Hunter Biden or Joe Biden's strong arm negotiation on behalf of his son, or of Hunter's trip to China where he secured billions of dollars, if not for this issue.

      By chasing after Trump, and trying to impeach him over his inquiring about Crowdstrike and Biden they help to spotlight these very matters which otherwise would have been ignored by the MSM.

      Showing us that Biden is just another corrupt D.C. hack that isn't interested in whats best for Americans or America at all.

    • Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      9 months ago from Kaufman, Texas

      Pretty sure you meant to say Trump made the moonshines of the Earth look like the absolute fools they always were, always are, and always will be - AGAIN!

      It's so fantastic! I can hardly wait to cast my vote, a straight Republican ticket, in 2020!

    • JAKE Earthshine profile image

      JAKE Earthshine 

      9 months ago from Milky-Way Galaxy ~ 4th Planet from the SUN

      So far, Donald Junior has gotten away with at least one CRIME of Conspiracy and Betrayal of the USA when he actually collaborated and co-ordinated with Russian Spies at that infamous Trump Tower Meeting: His "DUMBNESS" saved him from prosecution, just one mistake Robert Mueller made but our Progressive Democratic Congress will NEVER allow Donald Senior to get away with his Egregious and Numerous High CRIMES and Crimes Against Humanity regardless of his apparent Ignorance of the LAW and Constitution which is never a valid defense in any legitimate courtroom:

      Trump has been Burnt TOAST for a very long time now, if he's allowed to get away with presiding over the most corrupt quasi-dictatorship in our nations history which includes despicable acts of trying to coerce foreign nations like the Ukraine into investigating political opponents, we'll have no country left and we're almost at that irreversible apocapyptic point right now: UNREAL:

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      This goes much deeper than strong arming.....

      John Schindler

      @20committee

      “A separate WH computer network? Putting classified USG files on that "private" network?

      Man, irony really is dead. I hope Hillary sleeps in late this morning.”

      Eric Garland

      @ericgarland

      Replying to

      @20committee

      “Jared probably screenshotted stuff from his WhatsApp and then archived that on his Google Drive.

      Totes cool.“

      ******

      Trump has made the US gvt into Trump, Inc.

      This is so far beyond impeachment. Holy Joker, Batman!

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