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Abortion, how do you decide?

Updated on May 16, 2012

I had to review this hub....

When it showed up with a broken link to the video I had placed in it, when first published. This was one of my first hubs, so it was good to revisit it. That led to me finding a new video to replace the one that had been lost.

Which is why you can now see:

Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1 & 2

Guess God had a plan for today! (19th Feb 2011) hope you will watch the video, even if you ignore the hub!

Another revision, this time based on what I just watched (17th May 2012) and urge you to watch, the link is below and the video is on the page lower down.

Many folk leave this article before they read all and watch the videos, those people have already decided where they stand, anyone who will watch what is shown here, and watch it all, may change their mind, and as any decision is as good as the information it's made on, an intelligent person would review ALL the evidence before making a crucial decision.

Watch and decide

180 - The Movie

"We're having a baby"

Parents worldwide say just that, they are having a baby, not an embryo or a foetus, but a baby... so from the moment that the woman tests positive for her pregnancy she calls her baby a baby, unless she does not want the inconvenience of 'it', when 'it' becomes a foetus.

OK at this point junior has not much to distinguish him or her from a blob of flesh, but the features of mouth, nose and eyes can be made out!

But if 'mum' is unsure about having her baby, she can be forgiven for thinking that at this stage 'baby' is 'just a bundle of cells' and if she talks to pro abortionists, she will be encouraged to 'make her own choice' as to whether to have a 'termination' or carry on with the 'pregnancy'.

But there are some undeniable facts that need to be denied before the woman can terminate the baby:

  • At the point of conception the male sperm conjoins with the female ovum and UNLESS God or man intervenes, a human being will be born 40 weeks later.
  • We may call it termination, but what it really means is to deliberately kill a human being by a conscious act of our own will.

Now it is a woman's right to choose in those countries where the law allows abortion, and that is the worlds right, to make legal the death of a child for personal choice, that's why I stated 'unless God or man intervenes' - but please don't dress it up as something which hides behind a political agenda or a lifestyle choice.

Babies deserve to have the right to life also, and the time to stop a baby is BEFORE conception takes place.

The picture on the right is of an EIGHT WEEK OLD baby.

Now tell me that you cannot recognise this as a viable human being who deserves to be nurtured not killed.

If you want to kill your children legally, you are perfectly entitled to do so, but please don't try to make light of the fact, face up to it BEFORE you take the action, because MOST women who kill their babies have regret later and remorse and a deep feeling of guilt for having done so, and normally these feeling happen at exactly the wrong moment, i.e. when they are pregnant with a baby they want to bear, or even worse, when they want to conceive, but cannot.

Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1

OK, after I made the changes to this hub, the 'powers that be' took the ads off it, which is fine, I don't write for money in any case, but it shows the hypocrisy that existed in our politically correct, but fascist world, that means that a hub that was open to public view for months, got changed once they looked at the contents.

The heading I see now says:

Warning: Advertising has been disabled on this Hub based on moderator review

It's called censorship, which is apparently OK these days!

So NOW I can put even more politically incorrect stuff in here, and I will try to promote it the maximum!

Below we see another video which shows a less successful live birth, take a long look at it, your baby may well be killed or left to die if they survive your attempt to have them blotted out of your life for convenience sake.

BY ten weeks old 'baby' has clearly identifiable features, like fingers forming and an eye starting to shape up, yet you will not be shown or informed about these things when you speak to an abortionist sympathiser.

To a degree I can understand. When a pregnant woman visits 'Planned Parenthood' (what a misnomer that is!) she is in probably in shock that she is expecting a baby child she never planned, the pro abortion advocate believes sincerely that they are best serving the woman's interests if they can gently arrange for the baby to be killed without causing the woman further distress.

At 16 weeks old our baby shown above is really coming along well, but mum will not normally have 'seen' her child to be, because at this point her abortion is a formality and nobody involved in the action will want to give any cause for second thoughts.

Our abortionist will want to carry out the abortion before 12 weeks if possible, because even a two week difference will make the abortion more problematic. AT this point abortion is normally carried out as follows:

Vacuum Aspiration or Suction
Is the most common method of abortion and is usually carried out between 7 and 12 weeks. Some doctors are skilled and willing enough to perform it up to 14 weeks. The cervix is dilated in stages and then a tube is passed into the uterus and the contents are removed by the use of an electric pump. Some clinics combine suction with a scrape of the uterus, using a spoon like instrument. The procedure usually takes about 10 minutes and is most often done under a general anaesthetic (the woman is not awake). Some clinics will do this type of abortion using local anaesthetic (the woman is awake).

So our ten week old baby shown above could be killed by being 'removed by the use of an electric pump' and to make sure, any remains could be removed 'with a scrape of the uterus, using a spoon like instrument' - Pleasant and remember, baby looks to be fully able to feel this manner of killing it.

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And after 12-14 weeks we are looking at the following 'procedure':

Second Trimester Abortions (after 12/14 Weeks)

Different techniques are required for performing abortions after the 12/14-week stage. Each is used according to the skill and/or preference of the gynaecologist doing the operation. Time limits vary too, with each hospital/clinic setting its own guidelines. Some clinics won't do abortions between 14 and 17 weeks, but may refer you to one which does.

There are three main methods in use at the moment:

Dilatation And Curettage (D&C)
This technique is used between 12 and 16 weeks and is often combined with a vacuum aspiration. The contents of the uterus are removed with a scraping instrument called a curette, after the cervix has been dilated. A general anaesthetic is used.

Dilatation and Evacuation (D&E)
This technique is usually used between 12 and 16 weeks, but some skilled clinicians can perform it up to 24 weeks. The cervix is dilated and the doctor uses forceps, a curette and vacuum suction to remove the contents of the uterus.

The BPAS offers a two-stage procedure for late abortions. This takes two days. Under general anaesthetic the fluid sac around the fetus is broken and a substance derived from seaweed is inserted into the cervix. This gradually expands over the following day, opening the cervix. The evacuation of the uterus is then carried out under a second general anaesthetic.

Prostaglandins are normally used from 15 weeks onwards, especially in NHS clinics.

Prostaglandins are hormones, similar to those produced during labour, which cause the uterus to contract. The drug is given either as a vaginal pessary or as an injection either through the cervix into the uterus or through the abdomen. The fetus is delivered in the same way as a woman gives birth. This method can be quite painful and no anaesthetic is used although women can receive sedatives and pain relief tablets. A D&C usually follows this, with anaesthetic.

Let's be clear about this....

As already stated it HAS BECOME a woman's right to choose, however that was NOT the original intent to the Abortion Act 1967, which was designed to legalise abortion and give the authority to DOCTORS to decide whether an abortion was warranted. The law gave the rights and responsibility for decision making to doctors not women.

It did not legalise abortion, but allowed for exceptions to the illegality of abortion.

1966 became known as 'The Summer of Love' and what started as a sexual awakening in youth quickly became a sexual revolution.

It was Lucifer's finest hour, as he sat back and watched as a whole generation of youths threw out ALL of the 'old fashioned' thinking on morality, responsibility and authority.

I know, I was there as a storm trooper for Lucifer, although like most others I had no realisation that this was a time of destruction, rather than a time of creation. It felt good to kick over the establishment, to experiment with sex and drugs and rock 'n roll, and nobody thought that the outcome would be a complete degradation of society until it got to the point where 'good became bad and bad became good' - But it did and it is still getting worse and one of the worse things that has come out of this whole generational shift towards 'iniquity' has been that since that 1967 Abortion Act was approved...

6,300,000 babies have been killed in the UK alone.

According to Government figures given in 2006, of the 5.3 million abortions to residents of England and Wales:

  • 0.4% were because of risk to the mother's life.
  • 1.3% were because of foetal handicap.
  • Over 98% were for social reasons.

One in five recorded pregnancies in England and Wales ends in abortion.

No wonder they now have a shortage of workers!

Before you consider an abortion think about the reality of the situation:

You are killing a human being - If you can live with that, so be it.

Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 2

Some footnotes

My wife and I lost a child to an ectopic pregnancy, so we know the pain a miscarriage or abortion can bring.

Obviously there ARE circumstances where a child may be sacrificed to save the mothers life, if the mother is not prepared to trust God for her life and/or that of the baby!

I was born when my mother had already had one and a half ovaries removed,after 'complications' with my sisters birth. She then contracted pleurisy in 'our' seventh month, and my father was told that they could probably ONLY save one, but which one? - Thankfully my father was an indecisive man and could only say "Try to save both of them" - and the authority which would have been given to Satan to kill one of us,was restored to God.

So my feelings on abortion are very mixed.

In life there is a habit of generational curses being reinforced down the line.

When I was 20 years old, my girlfriend told me she was pregnant, my indecisiveness in encouraging her with the pregnancy possibly contributed to her having an abortion. We lived together for 16 years and never married or had another child - I have often mourned that lost child.

When my eldest child was conceived I was a druggie with distinctly psychopathic tendencies, and his mother was very wary about raising family with me. We agreed that she would 'keep' the baby on two conditions:

  • I would stop smoking hash (every 45 minutes of the day)
  • If (should have been when) we separated she would not get 'lumbered with the child'

Of course I agreed, but I never kept the first condition, and she did keep the second!

When I came to faith, she left us! - and I became a single parent for four years, then I met my wife and we started our new life as believers joined by God in the sight of the congregation, and 'our' son had to learn to live in a Christian household, then to accommodate a new sister.

So I know that life is never simple, and choices made in the midst of the 'circumstances' can have long term regrets and effects on everyone involved. I have experience of most aspects of this subject - abortion sucks (quite literally) and I KNOW God has a better plan for us than the sytematic massacre of the unborn for reasons of personal choice.

What do you think having read this.

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      UlrikeGrace 6 years ago from Canada

      We should have a button for sobering...I read this on the heals of the 180 video that is circulating facebook put out by an Australian preacher...just presenting again facts about abortion in relation to the holocost of WWll.

      You may have already seen it.

      It is a choice... and sometimes a very difficult choice due to real health issues... but I am sad for the thousands who have died because of the choice of selfishness.

      This may not change the minds of those who are decieved and set to do what they will do... but they can never say they were not informed. That is if they are brave enough to follow through and read and listen to all that you have presented.

      Thank you...and blessings to you from your heavenly Father. Ulrike Grace

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Well the dog looked friendly enough.... for a dog!

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      They say all cats have asperger's, so guess I'm the cat

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks BB, love the end photo, am I the dog or the pussy?

      'till the next time!


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      Baileybear 6 years ago

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Agreed, it was productive, we exchanged viewpoints, no slanging match, found common ground and (at least from my perspective) I discovered new ground to be covered.


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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      I'll link it and let you know. Thought it was a productive conversation.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      BB you are welcome to do so, hopefully not as a parody of what a mad fundy looks like, but I leave it to you to decide!

      Drop me a link!


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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      yes, 'educated' people can be ignorant - I mean educated about these issues.

      Don't confuse evolution (science) with "Darwinism" (social 'science' - pseudoscience). "Darwinism", a social sciences construct has twisted a few science concepts and created used it for evil purposes.

      Is society ever going to sort itself out? I doubt it, but then a lot of things are better than a few hundred or a few thousand years ago, when people would be burnt at the stake for promoting the healing properties of plants, and women were treated as property (and still are in some cultures).

      Is religion going to fix things? Not if it sticks to unbending 'morals' that continue with hate and stigma because of ancient texts.

      There's always going to be some nasty part of society - I read an appalling article how a mother killed her baby and ate its brain during a psychotic episode. Religionists might say possessed by the devil. Either way, this kind of horror happens. It happens in all of the animal kingdom.

      Do you mind if I post our conversation to my blog?

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      "do we concede defeat, or do we educate to get rid of deeply held stigma based on ignorance?"

      I think the chance of educating folk out of ignorance is remote at best, optimists would call me a pessimist, I would say that having studied folk from all levels of society in many countries over a 40 year period, realism is that the masses breed ignorance faster than education can stem it's tide, and that is BEFORE we look at religious zealots of all colours clinging to their self imposed prisons of inerrant but wrong doctrines.

      In my ideal world all people who sought to be leaders in anything would be required to spend 2 years travelling the globe with a rucksack before I would grant them a college education.

      This would achieve two things:

      Firstly many of them would realise that their true desires were more linked to solving problems in the world than making money.

      Secondly, those who DID go onward to 'further education' would be more focussed and less likely to waste our precious time trying to build power elite careers for themselves.

      Ignorance also comes in well educated people, we need people who, by exposure to reality, have been forced to rearrange their mindset to accommodate the truths they have seen and experienced.

      I was born into a working class family, left school at (effectively) 13, was a gang member and a criminal, had a father who taught me racism and hatred, but by circumstance had my horizons elevated and broadened by life and God.

      "all of these topics are about ethics and morals and how we choose to treat human beings and life in general. Where does stigma come from? Deep-rooted beliefs that some people are just no good?"

      Being perfectly honest, most of the folk who form minorities today would have died or been killed even 100 years ago, it's Darwinism at it's finest, survival of the fittest.

      So we can be proud of the fact that society has (at least in the 'First World') gained a tolerance that we no longer cull those to weak or perceived as defective.

      If you want to see why it will not easily get better, try taking a highly intelligent rough sleeper to a dinner party, and watch the educated liberals shy away from him.

      Equality for all humanity is an idealistic concept, promoted by people who will never have to share their space with those who are actually 'different' from them.

      In truth the hypocritical bastards will never allow equality with themselves, they only want 'ordinary' people to accept the minorities of the world, they have a NIMBY attitude (Not In My Back Yard).

      Thankfully I belong to neither end of society and am a society of one, in a community of millions, who try's to accept all, in love as I am required, but nowhere does it tell me I need LIKE everybody, not pander to their sensibilities.

      This is actually better than the forums!

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      I don't think it's too much off-topic - all of these topics are about ethics and morals and how we choose to treat human beings and life in general. Where does stigma come from? Deep-rooted beliefs that some people are just no good?

      I've enjoyed the civil dialogue, btw. Usually I find your views quite rigid black & white.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      'I'm afraid that is life, always has been' - do we concede defeat, or do we educate to get rid of deeply held stigma based on ignorance?

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      I can accept that minorities are 'tired of being made invisible and being despised for no good reason' but I am afraid that is life, always has been and unless we legislate in a totally controlled society (fascist/communist state) always will be... if we did legislate ourselves to make it compulsory to accept all minorities.... actually I cannot think of one political system that would do that, and historically the fascists and communists have always dealt with the 'problem' of those who are different by terminating them, so I guess democracy, flawed as it is, will still be a better place for 'different' people to exist, where they are 'invisible and despised' by the masses, but generally not persecuted for being different by the system.

      No matter how much folk may desire a perfect world where everyone is treated fairly and equally, reality tells me that with nearly 7 billion folk walking the earth, anyone who stands out for better or worse is going to be marginalised by society at large.

      Anyhow, we went a bit of topic there, which being that my opinion is that unborn babies who are terminated for convenience are probably the most abused 'minority' and I think we should give the unborn some right to life....even if they are going to be different and persecuted.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      Perhaps the minorities are vociferous because they are tired of being made invisible and being despised for no good reason. Take intersex people - they are considered by society to be defective and typically have surgery in infancy to align themselves with society's opinion of what their genitals should look like - a penis considered too small is removed and then they are raised as a girl with secrets and shame regarding the biology they were born with. Advocates are requesting that surgery not be performed on infants and to assign a temporary gender until the child is old enough to confirm which gender they identify with and whether they want surgery or not. Yet, unconsentual surgery still takes place.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Perhaps because minorities are now the most vociferous and also in our politically correct world the most able to influence the majority, we seemingly bend over backwards to empower, unreasonably in my opinion, anybody who plays the minority card, and we live in a weird world where the 'rights' of the majority are often subjugated to the 'rights' of the minority.

      Strange world.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      yep, thanks for clarifying. Yep, people seem to fear and despise minorities (ethnicities, disabilities, autism, atheism etc)

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Hi BB,

      I guess what I was trying to say was that although it makes no sense to discriminate against folk for what are viewed (by society at large) as defects, it still happens and will continue to happen because most for profit employers want the best chance of making cash from those they employ.

      Someone who admits to suffering from depression (let alone Aspergers)is perceived to be possibly less cost efficient than someone who does not disclose the same factors.

      Now our brains are very complicated things, and personally I think we (as a society) need to recognise that 'different' is not always 'disabled', but does always need special attention, in order to harness the particularly unique qualities that some 'different' folk happen to have.

      In a similar vein, people who are colour blind are the best experts at sorting colours in wool batches etc, and 'Rain Man' provided insight into the peculiar abilities that an autistic can display.

      Dr Alan Turing, who more or less single-handedly broke the German Enigma code in WW2 was hounded to death for his 'difference' of homosexuality, which was probably a by-product of his genius,(and inability to be comfortable in 'normal' society) rather than a personal choice, and again I have found most homosexuals to be highly intelligent and 'different' people when looking at their brain power and thinking capacities. Hence they occupy many top position in Government and the Security Services.

      Having the ability to see more than others can be a curse rather than a blessing, unless one understands the situation and tempers your dealings with the 'normal' world.

      I have achieved much more from presenting myself as a nonetity than by showing any natural 'alpha male' tendencies.

      People of 'different' brain powers frighten 'normal' society, because they tend not to fit into boxes that are recognisable and safe.

      Hope that explains where I am coming from a bit more!

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      aqua - not sure quite what you're saying here, so not sure if I agree or not. It's an observation of mine that wherever I was forced to disclose my history of depression at the final stages before hiring, I didn't get the job. I point out what's positive rather than accentuate any negatives which could scare employers off.

      I've just written an Intersex hub - thought I may as well, since researched it.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Hi BB.... Just read your blog, interesting.

      "I never tell a potential workplace I've suffered depression, as I won't get the job."

      Like many people you put this down to a stigma attached to you, I see that differently.

      As an employer (and I am not, but let's use the analogy) my constant desire is to engage the best folk that I can, I may be missing a stunning employee if I chose someone who lied to me rather than the person who told the truth about their depression, but the perception is the same as found in the fruit section at the supermarket. The shopper does not deliberately choose the fruit that looks bruised or damaged, they choose the best fruit they can see.

      That's not stigmatising the less than perfect looking fruit, its the way people select what to invest in, and I doubt whether anybody, even the most socially aware person walking the earth, would deliberately set out to buy fruit that was less than perfect in appearance.

      It's wrong of course, because in my world perfect fruit normally comes from chemical fruit factories where Dr Frankenstein designs fruit that will deceive folk, whereas real fruit, good fruit, comes from trees and bushes and will have some degree of imperfection.

      People are like that also.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      I've written a blog post so far - the emphasis is on the stigma of labels. Still undecided if will write hub on this topic.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Interesting, I look forward to your hub on it!

      4% sounds to be a fairly standard measure of 'system failure' for the procreation process, when you look at what we do to ourselves as a species.... no wonder we have some marginal defects come up!

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      I've been researching the topic of intersex (biologically in-between male & female). Apparently as many of 4% of humans are intersex, but most don't know it (as can have 'typical' anatomy & have offspring). Intersex was thought to be a rare deformity/defect/disorder, but it's now thought to be a fairly common biological variation (that still suffers terrible stigma). Gender roles, transgender, gays etc is a different kettle of fish altogether.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Oh I'm not saying that I object to folk killing my food for me, I'm referring mainly to humans and animals I don't eat!

      Though I have started to go more towards live food (fruit and vegetables)over the stuff I've eaten for the last 60 years, but that's common sense, and a desire to lose weight and gain energy.

      Intersex I will leave to you to explore! I always joked that I was the most successful lesbian in town, but I do agree that psychologically we can be of varying degrees of sexuality, I always thought I was about 60/40 male, just enough to be 'normal' and my first 'wife' was a good match in the other direction, i.e. she was about 60/40 female.

      At that point a few degrees of isolation one way or the other could define the difference between 'Mr Macho' and 'Howdy Sailor'.

      But which way that 'barometer' swung is, I believe, within our control.

      People born with physical intersex confusions would be a different matter, not sure where we go with that one, which is why I leave it to you!

      Scripturally the bible tells us we are born male or female, but makes no distinction as to what degrees we may lean towards that designation.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      apparently Buddists are against killing insects. My son got bitten by an ant earlier, so probably wouldn't agree.

      I don't like how animals are killed either for food either, yet I eat meat. Animals eat each other too.

      I think there's several topics that are not black and white. eg intersex (a topic I have been reading about lately).

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      BB, glad we have some common ground! I guess my religious nature would come though in most things I do, or at least I hope it does! - but what I mean is this is not a subject that I would think to try and preach about to non believers, the subject is too emotive and any decisions taken need to be an evaluated response, not a reaction, no matter which way that reaction shaped the issue.

      The only time I kill is when it is defence of others or as an act of mercy.

      Cannot find any other reasons to kill, if a pest comes in my home I remove it to safety (i.e. outside my home) unless it is a danger to me or others.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      aqua - seems we agree on this issue, clarified in your replies, although I thought your religious convictions seemed to come thru very strongly in this hub.

      I don't like any killing for convenience. As a child, I hated how the neighbour drowned kittens because they couldn't bothered getting their cats desexed.

      I don't like how we are encouraged to kill cane toads here in Australia. Some people whack them with a golf club or cricket bat. I opted for the freezer - still felt guilty killing an animal because it is declared a pest.

      I agree that this is an issue that is not black-and-white and should stay out of politics & religious debate.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      "I don't agree with people that have multiple abortions because they are too slack to prevent the pregnancy in first place."

      Then we agree, I recognise that there are certain circumstances when we have to kill to protect the greater good, but we should never kill for convenience.

      Londongirls hub is also good, I will add a link from the body of this one!

      Let me state that my objections to the killing of viable babies is NOT a religious conviction, i.e. it is not because any doctrine tells me all abortion is wrong, it is from personal experience and much thought about the issue.

      There are scriptural verses that support the anti abortion lobby, but using them against frightened and confused mothers is not their intention.

      I am all in favour of balanced counselling for pregnant women considering abortion.

      I guess in effect I wish all those from both sides of the divide would keep out of the issue, those promoting abortion are as bad as those demanding no abortion, out on the extremes, whereas all those involved in the actual situation are caught in the middle.

      Such life and death decisions have no place in politics or doctrinal debate.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      here's an interesting hub a woman wrote exploring this topic & sharing her own experience:

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      technically, terminating ectopic pregnancies is still an abortion. That's why the issue of abortion is not black & white. I don't agree with people that have multiple abortions because they are too slack to prevent the pregnancy in first place. But I do see there are cases where people have their pregnancies terminated (eg ectopic), and they don't need to be judged for it.

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      John Harper 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Hi Baileybear, unfortunately yes we did lose that child, though the baby was non-viable as it was outside the womb.

      That's what ectopic means.

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      Baileybear 6 years ago

      Did you end up having to abort the baby from the ectopic pregnancy?

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      Coming of Age 6 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      Hi Aguasilver,

      Great hub and voted up!

      There are a couple of additional things that you might consider adding.

      I think changing laws on abortion is the highest goal believers should be aspiring to in a secular world where government is concerned. Christians will never convert the entire world to believe as we do, but using secular reasoning we can show logically how abortion has long term emotional consequences that in some cases ruin the lives of would-be mothers. It's also quite logical to point out that there are so many birth control options available in most developed countries today that the need for most unwanted pregnancies really no longer exists.

      I personally try not to refer to abortionists as doctors. I fully realize that the individuals who perform abortions have degrees that proclaim them to be doctors, but a doctors highest calling is to heal, and to do no harm. From my standpoint abortionists do cause harm. First and foremost they take life for profit (sort of mercenary), and secondly there is an abundance of evidence that shows the resulting emotional harm often brought upon would-be mothers.

      I understand and agree with your Christian stance on the subject, and I think you have done well to make it clear here. Thank you.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Just updated this hub again to be even more politically incorrect, check out the videos!

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      Brenda Durham 7 years ago

      And it's certainly a better subject than one that popped-up on my feed today. (It's not from anyone that I follow, so I don't understand why it's on my you or anyone know how the feed works? I thought only followers' etc. showed up on each person's feed?).

      But anyway, that hub is about Satanism! I didn't flag it, just trying to ignore it, but if anything should be deemed inappropriate, it's that hub, not yours agua.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks Brenda, but I guess small minds control what is censored.

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      Brenda Durham 7 years ago

      What the heck??

      Are the only things that are taboo anymore the facts of life and death?!

      It stinks, aguasilver, that this hub was scrutinized and judged like that.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Guess the key words were: "this hub was identified manually, and not through our automatic filter" so whoever 'manually' was they got very hit by this hub, good, hope they get to consider it deeply!

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      Allen Werner 7 years ago from West Allis

      Somebody got whacked in the nerve! Free exchange of ideas has a costs - go figure. Peace

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Get this:

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      And the ONLY change was a title change and a new (non visually explicit) video dealing with Survivors of Abortions!

      Some PC troll reported it I guess and the Thought Police stepped in...

      Good job I'm not looking to make money.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Hey, just noticed that some moderator has now disabled the ads on this hub, I love it, it's been here for 16 months unmoderated, and then I change the title and add one new video AFTER I found a dead vid link and NOW some 'moderator' notices I may not be PC to THEIR views and disables ads.... do I care? - not one jot (or tittle) for I don't write for money, so the ONLY possible loser will be HubPages not getting their small change from my hub!

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      Brenda Durham 7 years ago

      Great testimony.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks Brie, my life is all I have to share!

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      Brie Hoffman 7 years ago from Manhattan

      Wow, great article, thank for sharing so much of your personal life.

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      John Harper 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks A M I thought when I reviewed this it needed another airing!

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      Allen Werner 7 years ago from West Allis

      John, great hub and great testimony! Let all things be done in faith. As you stated in this hub, without trusting the Creator, we put the power of life and death in the hands of lucifer and man. The watchman must blow the trumpet and sound the alarm. If the villagers don't heed the warning then the blood is not on your hands. If we don't sound the alarm and ring the bells and make a fuss, then the evil that happens is on us. We can't stop the enemy but we can warn everyone where he is coming from. From there it is up to them to make wise choices. Peace

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      John Harper 8 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Half the problems in the actually all the current problems are caused by liberal political correctness having stifled the ability of men to speak their mind and act on their concerns.

      I refuse to be 'nice' for the sake of protecting peoples self esteem or opinion of themselves.

      Meek does NOT mean docile, as the money changers found out in the Temple!

      Thanks for reading and commenting on the piece!

      BTW I'm after cross linking my colloidal silver dosage hub with your H1N1 hub.... would that be OK?

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      Make Money 8 years ago from Ontario

      You say it like it is aguasilver. Women and abortion clinics should not try to disguise it but call it what it is. Not just women feel guilt after the fact but some men do as well. I appreciate your honesty. God bless my friend.


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      John Harper 8 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Hi coffesnob "I appreciate your approach and your way a delivering as truth that is so difficult for many to take."

      I always try to get to the heart of the problem, deal with the causes, not the symptoms!

      Thanks for your encouragement.

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      coffeesnob 8 years ago


      Thanks for this article. I appreciate your approach and your way a delivering as truth that is so difficult for many to take. Check out the ultra sound pic in one of my past hubs



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