How much do you think a single-payer system would reduce healthcare costs?
EDIT: And how do you think it will reduce costs? Administrative, costs of procedures, costs of drugs, etc?
How much do you think ACA is going to reduce healthcare costs, and in what way?
I'm looking for proponents of single-payer or ACA to defend their positions, because I'm just not seeing it.
Did Romneycare do any good in Massachusetts?
I don't know. I haven't done much research on it. Most of the information I can find on it is limited in scope.
And don't you think that's kinda weird? Is the information being purposely downplayed?
We have quite a few hubbers, including some fairly vocal* and articulate ones, who should have experiened it.
I will ask my friend who is visting from MA when I meet up with her tomorrow.
*Is Love My Chris on ban, does anyone know?
Honestly, it's difficult enough to find good studies on national healthcare, let alone any individual state. As far as being downplayed, I don't really think so. Who would be doing the downplaying?
If it worked, how would the conservatives downplay it, and keep it from hitting the media? If it didn't, how would the liberals downplay it, and keep it from hitting the media? Both have their outlets.
Another aspect is that good studies often take a very long time to conduct... I really don't know.
It would be nice to hear, but I never use personal experience to try and represent fact in that way.
What I'm driving toward, is the effects people would expect to see from ACA, or a single payer system. How would it affect the price of prescriptions? Doctor's visits? Procedures? If someone claims it will lower/raise costs, what areas will it actually affect.
Yeah, you're right. Either side might want to downplay (or play up) the Romneycare results. But neither side is. I do find that a bit ... strange. It's this big elephant in the room.
Logic tells you that the Obama team has a shiteload of data that they culled from to craft the ACA, right?
I'm a bit surprised at lack of response to your query, honestly.
I know the information is available out there -- not that I've researched that specfically. And I know hubbers who have hubbed about single payer plans...
I know a lot more about the health equity aspects of ACA and how community clinics are ramping up fo rit and the long-term health impacts of addressing community-wide impactors like obesity, diabetes, heart disease and asthma.
But that doesn't answer your question so I will not deflect to my own comfort zone.
Interested to see what others come up with on this topic, tho!
I know we clash sometimes(I clash with a lot of people ), but I appreciate the response MM.
I would expect more research on it, but it might just be buried under the 25 million news stories comparing Obamacare to Romneycare and arguing this and that. I'll do some more looking.
As to the lack of response, I'm not surprised. If you look at threads I create, I usually don't get much response. Could be the fact that I link to more complicated reports and put out more dry figures, instead of linking to sensational news articles... dunno.
I'm sure a properly-managed single-payer system could cut down drastically on administrative costs, but it would also eliminate competition. When the government controls something, it sets artificial prices that can have negative effects, whereas private companies bring competition and prices are set through competition and supply/demand. An example is the energy sector. When public energy sectors are privatized, rates usually jump around 20% because the government had an artificial price in place. Our energy infrastructure needs something like $200 billion in maintenance and upgrades, and that wasn't paid because the government didn't charge what it needed to in order to pay for the infrastructure.
The simple fact for me is, I see our government doing a poor job of managing projects and money, so I don't want to trust them with anything that I don't have to. Other governments are more responsible, and run great centralized systems.
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