Moral Courage

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   Sooner28posted 12 years ago

   If Chick -Fil-A were to openly come out and say they thought African Americans were INFERIOR to Caucasians, or that they were against interracial marriage, there would be an enormous public outcry, and any employees that worked for such a heinous place would be morally culpable for providing them with workers.  Anyone who shopped there would be morally reprehensible for giving such an atavistic, bigoted place of business money.
   
   Fast forward to today.  The only difference now is that it's more "socially acceptable" to the mindless to discriminate against homosexuals.  I am glad this man stood up to them.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/0 … %3D187690.  The employees, even if they don't support the policy, still should not be providing their services to such an immoral corporation.

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Completely agree on the issue, as for the employees I can't really blame them if they stay even if they disagree, times are tough, but if they have an alternative I agree they should quit.

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         Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Complicity in a system.
         
         "An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity."  -Martin Luther King Jr.

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      undermyhatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Equating race(what ever that is) with sexuality is a false equality.  There is a dicotomy between opposing one's actions and one's appearance.  Opposing inter-racial marriage was to dehumanize legitimate participants in a pratice as old as human civilization.  It was to divide  a group of popel with inherited skin color from each other rendering one color group inferior to another and maintaining ( the fantasy of) racial purity. 
      
      This is not the case in preserving marriage as a civil, social and "civilizational" institution and legacy.  A black man cannot take off his skin to do his job, go to the market, drive down the street.  A homosexual is not homosexual when standing in line to vote any more than a heterosexual is heterosexual in the same line, applying for the same license that will not be denied him because of his sexuality, but time was a black man would have been pulled from that line and beaten - because he was black.
      
      No one is denied civil social marriage because they are homosexual.

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         Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Discriminating based on characteristics that people cannot change, they are born with, and that is not wrong is the same thing people against interracial marriage did.  I did NOT claim that homosexuals are treated as POORLY as African Americans were/still are in this society.  I simply said discriminating against them in terms of marriage is no better than being against interracial marriage.

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   tirelesstravelerposted 12 years ago

   Moral courage is to have a conviction and stick to it when nobody else is around or when everyone else is against you.   The workers I talk to for the most part were grateful to have a job where they are treated so well. They get every Sunday off without ever asking. For the most part Christians do not engage in any kind of controversy.which makes it somewhat amazing that they are accused of hurting and hating gays.

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      Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Moral courage is not mindlessly following what your pastor tells you an ancient book says about morality.  A racist will stick to their convictions; a sexist man in Saudi Arabia will stick his convictions that women are inferior to men; the founding of America had the conviction that slavery was acceptable because African Americans were thought of less than a full human being.  Conviction means little without knowing what it is applied to.
      
      You are also completely avoiding my point.  Is discriminating against homosexuals moral or immoral?

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Many many Christians do not discriminate against gay people but that is pretty irrelevant, obviously some do and they are the ones under discussion. Sticking to discrimination is not courage of any sort, it's cowardice, the result of fear and lack of empathy resulting in wanting to treat others as second class citizens instead of providing equality under the law.

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         Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Liberal Christians do not.  Chick-Fil-A is not run by liberal Christians.
         
         It's also a corporation, and I can't imagine Jesus imagining how to increase corporate profits .

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            atheistchickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Discrimination is done in several ways, not just through public television or something. The discrimination is done through actions, disapproval. You'd be surprised at all the little discrimination things people do and the watchful notice they're being discriminated against. I speak from personal experience, being discriminated against by Christians  for looking, acting and talking differently has made my heart become stone, against such followers of Christ.. And seeing my new family who accepts me, fellow Atheists, being discriminated against angers me. Christians cause the hate, Atheists just won't stand for it anymore

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               Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               This is true.  The little acts of social disapproval are meant to show that the herd disapproves of certain conduct or beliefs.  It's not always a bad thing.  I wouldn't want people running around murdering and stealing with impunity.
               
               Yet, the nature of conservative Christianity is to create an "other" fundamental human being.  The "saved" and the "lost."  It's a way for some people to feel superior and special, when they have done nothing to deserve the distinction.  Doctors save lives; scientists make great discoveries; an average conservative Christian has no right to the social distinction they are attempting to give themselves.
               
               I am considering telling my extended family.  They don't know i don't believe in God.  Maybe I am lacking intellectual courage in not telling them?  They would be crushed if they knew though.  I am trying to consider their feelings, but the world will not change unless people speak up.

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                  tirelesstravelerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  What makes you sure they don't know you don't believe in God?

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                     Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     They could have suspicions, but I've never told them otherwise.  I also grew up in Church, and was openly Christian up until about 21.  Last they heard, I was still headed to paradise.

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