Gov Christie and Gov Romney's records on job creations!

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   screamingposted 11 years ago

   With track records like these, do you really think Romney can create jobs? As Gov, Romney had Massachusetts ranked 47th in job creations. And in New Jersey, Gov Christie has his state ranked 48th in job creations. Yeah I'd bet my money on either of these two! NOT! LOL If these guys as such Great Job Creators why do they rank at the bottom of the list?

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Romney took over when Massachusetts was 47th. That was its ranking his first year.
      
      It also faced a huge budget deficit.
      
      He balanced the budget every year, going as far as to veto 250 individual expenditures one year, and when that was overturned, to use his emergency fiscal power to reduce the spending anyway.
      
      After 4 years of balanced budgets, Massachusetts was 30th.
      
      So he balanced the budget and moved the state from the back of the pack to the middle of the pack. Not bad for 4 years.

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What was the MA unexployment rate under Romney? I honestly don't know.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            5.6 when he took office, 4.6 when he left.

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         Mtbailzposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         His unemployment rate didn't move much though. I think it ended around the 44 mark. I wrote an article on so I'll check the exact number but it was no where near the middle of the pack.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            It went from 5.6 to 4.6. About the average for the nation the whole time.

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      MarkAseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Romney does have a track record of job creation at Bain.  Even the most ardent Democrat would be wise to admit that.  Christie is a different story, a career in public service and generally speaking the only way he has worked to balance the NJ budget is by underfunding their pension system by 2.5B this year.  Those are outright lies in his speech and frankly, we deserve better from someone trying to position himself as the next in line  to the '16 Republican nomination.

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Good point.

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         No, Mark - you assume you're speaking to reasonable people here, but that's not always the case. You'll notice that there are some extreme partisans who will NEVER admit anything good about the opposition, or anything BAD about their team. lol

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            MarkAseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That's politics isn't it?  It's unfortunate and keeps us from finding any type of real answers.

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   screamingposted 11 years ago

   And what exactly is Romney's track record to create jobs, versus jobs lost, versus jobs shipped overseas?

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      habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Compare the UE rate in MA to the UE rate in the US now.

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         screamingposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The economy is slowly rebounding. Let's not forget who got us into this mess. And I seriously doubt given the current atmosphere with both parties. McCain, had he been elected, would be facing the same numbers at best.

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            habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I think the economy WAS rebounding, until April. Since then, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the UE rate has been rising. I agree, BTW, that Obama inherited a mess.

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               screamingposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               And why did it stop? If President Bush's tax credits were designed to generate new investment in businesses and jobs, why isn't it? Simply because many of the potential job providers are reeling in those jobs to help get Romney elected? Hence, make President Obama "Look" like he's failing. It's just more political posturing in my book!

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                  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Bush's tax cuts didn't do anything for businesses. We are struggling, in part, because we have the highest marginal rate, and (depending on industry) highest to top fifth effective rate, in corporate taxes.
                  
                  We don't have more employed right now because the demand isn't there. If the demand was there, people would be hiring.

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               Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               So did.Reagan. 8.2 unemployment when he took office 6.0 after his first term and that was after it went up. Inflation 11+% 4.6 after first term. So all of you who believe the convicted liar aka Bill Clinton that no president could have fixed the economy in 4 years, you should remember who looked into the camera and lied to you one more time. They don't call him slick Willie for nothing.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Don't try to equate Bush with Romney. Just because two people have the same R in front of their name doesn't mean they have the same policies.
            
            As for unemployment, we have some 750,000 more unemployed as of July than we did in April.
            
            But you'll never hear that story in the news. The unemployment rate you hear makes it sound like people who run out of unemployment insurance are suddenly employed. It also makes it sound like people who give up and haven't looked for work within the last 4 weeks are suddenly employed as well.
            
            Things aren't getting better, we have a real unemployment rate of 15%, where before the crash the real rate was 8%. If the 'official' rate reflected that, it would be at 12% right now.

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               screamingposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               We don't have jobs because the American public had on blinders! Starting with President Reagan's deregulation! And lets notforget President Bush selling us out on NAFTA. This recession we're in is a product of Both Parties! And it will take Both Parties working together to fix it. And when I say working together I mean voting on one issue, NOT padding the bill with BS! Not setting the approach in Concrete Either. If I as a business owner, ran my business like the past Presidents, Beginning with President Reagan, I would be out of business in a short period of time! And Yes, I include them all!

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                  screamingposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  TYPO!!!! I meant President Clinton Selling us out on NAFTA! Sorry!

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                     habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Glad you corrected that! lol

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      MarkAseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      In fairness, Mass has a lot of advantages that much of the country does not, especially in terms of recent college graduates in and around Boston.
      
      That being said, IMO, Romney did a nice job when he was governor there.  I wish he ran his campaign in the same way he governed though, you know from the middle as a pragmatist.  That's someone I could have voted for, this conservative Republican who doesn't seem as in touch....I'm not so sure.  I'm guessing when the general election picks up he magically drifts back more to the middle.

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Mark, I wish the same thing. I prefer the moderate Romney to the too-far-to-the-right Romney.

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         JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Romney would never had gotten the nomination by running as a moderate. He did what he had to.
         
         Now that he has the nomination, he will drift somewhat to center, but not so much as to alienate his base(R voter turnout will be the deciding factor in some states, where independent votes will be the deciding factor in others).

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            Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, he did what he had to do.
            And I may be reading more into this than is there, but he doesn't seem completely at ease with himself over it.
            He's had to revise quite a few of his former positions.
            
            So,  how do you forsee Romney distancing himself from the hard line party stance and moving left to capture those independents?
            Are we expecting new Super PAC (or campaign) ads with a more centrist message?
            
            It's an interesting idea, Jaxson.
            My question is -- what will this look like, do you think?
            MM

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               JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I really don't know what to expect.
               
               If he gets elected, I expect to see a push toward closing tax loopholes, line-by-line budget cuts, raising some fees and/or taxes, and a moderate stance toward many issues, basically letting the law stand as it stands.

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            habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I think and hope so. He's already bucking the GOP platform on abortion.

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            MarkAseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I understand the argument....so basically you're saying that it makes sense to run a campaign you probably don't really believe in which has to go absolutely perfectly to have any chance to win?
            
            I mean a moderate Romney might win some of the midwest including Pennsylvania while still having a shot in places like Florida and NC.

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