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Gov. Tim Kaine interupted Mike pence 72 total times last night !

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ahorsebackposted 11 months ago
How childish to act like a third grade drama queen in a debate , did he nail Pence on one thing , no , did he win the debate , No ! He sounded like an absolute twit ! And that is the number two man Hillary choses as a running mate , more than likely to assume the presidency when she is done ? Please . Who will defend such outshouting as a debate style ? Is THAT the new liberal debating style , LOUD ?
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  IslandBitesposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  Maybe he tried the Trump style.
  
  An analysis by FiveThirtyEight said Kaine logged more than 70 interjections and interruptions, while Pence had more than 40.
  
  Trump, the Republican nominee, was responsible for 55 of those 84 interruptions, while Clinton contributed 11.
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Live to Learnposted 11 months ago
Coughing up furball here but got to go with island bites on this one.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago
Yeah, I don't get it, ahorseback. It was so obviously bad. I couldn't even watch it. Someone is yanking our chains. Its enough to make you not care about this country. Like if you do, its too upsetting. If Hillary and Bill get in to the co-presidency, it will be dismal. But if they don't, half the country will come unglued.
Theres no winning this time around.
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ahorsebackposted 11 months ago
Actually ,There is an incredibly negative national image if the Clintons win ! The whole definition of horrible will have to be re-written , How can the world ever again look at America with an ounce of respect again ? I am ashamed of the voters choice[s] in this candidacy ! Both sides share an unbelievable blame for this entire election process . I used to believe our collective political apathy was the new plague , It is actually the new reason for the end of America .

There is a vision within me that sees revolution in the streets in the near future --OR --- there will be no change whatsoever , and the disease of apathy will simply continue ,however worsening But if we do not awaken soon at the street level , something wonderful-the [American dream ] will totally disappear , that dream as we have known it !

Is it inevitable ? Is it controllable ? Can we regain control of an out of control train ? Does the American voter care enough ? That is the true question .
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  Live to Learnposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  I think what you fail to accept is that there are multiple visions for the direction America should go. That is what keeps us too afraid to unite against Washington. Until the American people unite in their frustration we won't see effective revolution. I want America (the citizens, not the government) united. For better or worse.
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  ahorsebackposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  Oh No , What I DO see is the direction that America can go in, and in particular the direction we ARE moving in , One that is not the same as the past , a balance between two party ideologies that , although disagreeably , worked .
  
  But the other "way to go " is irretrievable to traditional balanced directions but towards a self governing of entitlement , for lack of better description -socialism . But not the socialism that we have ideologically warred against for decades but the one of self governed anarchy entitlement .
  
  A useless detached central , state or local government , a government for lack of a better description composed of a conglomerate of unions . UAW , NEA , federal , local , municipal unions , "entitlement " driven unions .
  
  Socialism .
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  rhamsonposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  If you think we are not headed towards the answer to elitist America and the onslaught of Socialism you have your head buried in the sand. We are and have been working towards a Socialist State for many years under the guise of Democracy. Most if not all of the following services could not exist without the socialist support by our government. Some are not as popular as others but the private sector could not run most of them without our governments support.
  
  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/3/29 … ed-America
  
  1. The Military/Defense
  2. Highways/Roads
  3. Public Libraries
  4. Police
  5. Fire Dept.
  6. Postal Service
  7. Student Loans and Grants
  8. Bridges
  9. Garbage Collection
  10. Public Landfills
  11. War
  12. Farm Subsidies
  13. CIA
  14. FBI
  15. Congressional Health Care
  16. Polio Vaccine
  17. EPA
  18. Social Security
  19. Museums
  20. Public Schools
  21. Jail/Prison System
  22. Corporate/Business Subsidies
  23. Veteran's (VA) Health Care
  24. Public Parks
  25. All Elected Government Officials
  26. Food Stamps
  27. Sewer System
  28. Medicare
  29. Court System
  30. Bird Flu Vaccine
  31. G.I. Bill
  32. Hoover Dam
  33. State/City Zoos
  34. IRS
  35. Free Lunch Program
  36. The Pentagon
  37. Medicaid
  38. FDA
  39. Health Care for 9/11 Rescue Workers
  40. Swine Flu Vaccine
  41. Disability Insurance (SSDI)
  42. Town/State Run Beaches
  43. Corporate Bailouts/Welfare
  44. State Construction
  45. Unemployment Insurance
  46. City/Metro Buses
  47. WIC
  48. State Snow Removal
  49. PBS (Public Broadcasting Service)
  50. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
  51. Welfare
  52. Public Street Lighting
  53. FEMA
  54. Public Defenders
  55. S-CHIP
  56. Amtrak
  57. NPR
  58. The Department of Homeland Security
  59. OSHA
  60. State and National Monuments
  61. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA)
  62. Government Scholarships
  63. Department of Health and Human Service
  64. Census Bureau
  65. Department of Energy
  66. Customs and Border Protection
  67. Department of Education
  68. Secret Service
  68. Secret Service
  70. Department of Justice
  71. National Weather Service
  72. The White House
  73. Government
  74. Law
  75. Civilization
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  ahorsebackposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  More than half of that that you listed is controlled economically on the state or local level , AND THAT IS FED BY LOCAL VOTING WHERE --BELIEVE IT OR NOT NO ONE IS SHOWING UP TO VOTE EXCEPT FOR THE LOCAL UNION PEOPLE i.e. teachers , municipal employees , state employee unionist's !
  
  The feds end of your listings ARE controlled by congress and a senate working outside of the people's will ! On those you are correct , -- the local level problem and cause is pure voter apathy ! When was the last time you voted locally at a school board meeting ?
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  rhamsonposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  I agree the apathetic attitude towards self government is pathetic to say the least. The accountability to vote out the swine in Congress is an egregious oversight on our part as citizens and caretakers of our system. More and more people want to shortcut their responsibility to voter participation by electing a silver bullet to "Fix" all our woes in one fell swoop. Where it starts is at the local level where you vote in the competent and worthy and cut out the slime and greedy.
  
  The fact remains whether on the local or federal level we love the socialist programs and are a way of compensating for the lack of private sector support of necessary programs. I am sorry to say the only way there is an equalization between the haves and the have-nots is a socialist agenda because the top tier are working overtime to alleviate any responsibility for the upkeep of our way of life that was what we and they were in the past.
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  ahorsebackposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  Maybe you mean 'YOU ' love the programs of government entitlement , I'm for smaller , less , cheaper , less taxes , less bennies , AND far, far more liberty . other wise we need term limits , Look up the "convention of states " !
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  rhamsonposted 11 months ago in reply to this
  "there will be no change whatsoever , and the disease of apathy will simply continue ,however worsening"
  
  More and more I see this as the direction we are headed. For some odd reason we put so much faith in the Presidency as the instrument for change while we continue to support a totally bought out of touch for the common man Congress. With a 13% to 16% approval rating we will re-elect 93% of these slime balls back into Congress expecting some sort of change. As shown with Obama the Congress can nearly shutdown the Executive Branch with little repercussions. The puss bags in Congress are paid off by the lobbyists to do what they will and we cruise along oblivious to the problem nor willing to give it a passing thought. An Article V convention is the means by which we can change this. But as recent events in the UK with Brexit any change will come hard trying to avoid real policy measures and elective rules.
  
  http://termlimitsforuscongress.com/index.html
  
  Join it, sign the petition and participate in this non partisan movement back to self government.
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