Gov. Tim Kaine interupted Mike pence 72 total times last night !

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   ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

   How childish   to act like a third grade  drama queen  in a debate , did he nail Pence on one thing , no , did he win the debate , No !      He sounded like an absolute twit !     And that is the number two man Hillary  choses as a running mate , more than likely to assume the presidency when she  is done ? Please .  Who will defend such outshouting as a debate style ? Is THAT the new liberal debating style , LOUD ?

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      IslandBitesposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe he tried the Trump style.
      
      An analysis by FiveThirtyEight said Kaine logged more than 70 interjections and interruptions, while Pence had more than 40.
      
      Trump, the Republican nominee, was responsible for 55 of those 84 interruptions, while Clinton contributed 11.

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   Live to Learnposted 19 months ago

   Coughing up furball here but got to go with island bites on this one.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 19 months ago

   Yeah, I don't get it, ahorseback. It was so obviously bad. I couldn't even watch it. Someone is yanking our chains. Its enough to make you not care about this country. Like if you do, its too upsetting. If Hillary and Bill get in to the co-presidency, it will be dismal. But if they don't, half the country will come unglued.
   Theres no winning this time around.

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   ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

   Actually ,There is an incredibly negative national image if the Clintons win !   The  whole definition of  horrible  will have to be re-written ,   How can the world ever again look at America with an ounce of respect again ?   I am ashamed of the voters choice[s] in this  candidacy !  Both sides share an unbelievable  blame for this entire election process .   I used to believe our collective political apathy was the new plague ,  It is actually the new  reason for the end of America .   
   
   There is a vision  within me  that sees revolution in the streets  in the near future --OR  --- there will be no change whatsoever , and the disease of apathy will simply continue ,however worsening But  if we do not awaken soon at the street level , something wonderful-the [American dream ] will totally disappear , that dream as we have known it !
   
   Is it inevitable ?   Is it controllable ?  Can we  regain control of an out of control train ? Does the American voter care enough ? That is the true question .

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      Live to Learnposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      I think what you fail to accept is that there are multiple visions for the direction America should go. That is what keeps us too afraid to unite against Washington. Until the American people unite in their frustration we won't see effective revolution. I want America (the citizens, not the government) united. For better or worse.

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         ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

         Oh No , What I DO see is the direction that America can go in,  and in particular the direction we ARE moving in , One that is  not  the same as the past , a balance between two party ideologies that , although disagreeably , worked .
         
         But the other "way to go " is irretrievable to traditional  balanced directions but towards a  self governing of entitlement  , for lack of better description -socialism .   But not the socialism   that we have ideologically warred against for decades but the one of self governed anarchy entitlement .
         
         A useless detached central , state or local government ,  a government for lack of a better description composed of  a conglomerate of unions .  UAW , NEA , federal , local , municipal  unions , "entitlement " driven unions  .
         
         Socialism .

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            rhamsonposted 19 months agoin reply to this

            If you think we are not headed towards the answer to elitist America and the onslaught of Socialism you have your head buried in the sand. We are and have been working towards a Socialist State for many years under the guise of Democracy. Most if not all of the following services could not exist without the socialist support by our government. Some are not as popular as others but the private sector could not run most of them without our governments support.
            
            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/3/29 … ed-America
            
            1. The Military/Defense
            2. Highways/Roads
            3. Public Libraries
            4. Police
            5. Fire Dept.
            6. Postal Service
            7. Student Loans and Grants
            8. Bridges
            9. Garbage Collection
            10. Public Landfills
            11. War
            12. Farm Subsidies
            13. CIA
            14. FBI
            15. Congressional Health Care
            16. Polio Vaccine
            17. EPA
            18. Social Security
            19. Museums
            20. Public Schools
            21. Jail/Prison System
            22. Corporate/Business Subsidies
            23. Veteran's (VA) Health Care
            24. Public Parks
            25. All Elected Government Officials
            26. Food Stamps
            27. Sewer System
            28. Medicare
            29. Court System
            30. Bird Flu Vaccine
            31. G.I. Bill
            32. Hoover Dam
            33. State/City Zoos
            34. IRS
            35. Free Lunch Program
            36. The Pentagon
            37. Medicaid
            38. FDA
            39. Health Care for 9/11 Rescue Workers
            40. Swine Flu Vaccine
            41. Disability Insurance (SSDI)
            42. Town/State Run Beaches
            43. Corporate Bailouts/Welfare
            44. State Construction
            45. Unemployment Insurance
            46. City/Metro Buses
            47. WIC
            48.  State Snow Removal
            49. PBS (Public Broadcasting Service)
            50. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
            51. Welfare
            52. Public Street Lighting
            53. FEMA
            54. Public Defenders
            55. S-CHIP
            56. Amtrak
            57. NPR
            58. The Department of Homeland Security
            59. OSHA
            60. State and National Monuments
            61. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA)
            62. Government Scholarships
            63. Department of Health and Human Service
            64. Census Bureau
            65. Department of Energy
            66. Customs and Border Protection
            67. Department of Education
            68. Secret Service
            68. Secret Service
            70. Department of Justice
            71. National Weather Service
            72. The White House
            73. Government
            74. Law
            75. Civilization

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               ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

               More than half of that that you listed is controlled economically on the state or local level ,  AND THAT IS  FED BY LOCAL VOTING WHERE --BELIEVE IT OR NOT NO ONE IS SHOWING UP TO VOTE EXCEPT FOR THE LOCAL UNION PEOPLE i.e.  teachers , municipal employees , state employee unionist's !
               
               The feds end of your listings  ARE controlled by congress and a senate  working outside of the people's will ! On those you are correct , -- the local level problem and cause  is pure voter apathy !  When was the last time you voted locally at a school board meeting ?

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                  rhamsonposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree the apathetic attitude towards self government is pathetic to say the least. The accountability to vote out the swine in Congress is an egregious oversight on our part as citizens and caretakers of our system. More and more people want to shortcut their responsibility to voter participation by electing a silver bullet to "Fix" all our woes in one fell swoop. Where it starts is at the local level where you vote in the competent and worthy and cut out the slime and greedy.
                  
                  The fact remains whether on the local or federal level we love the socialist programs and are a way of compensating for the lack of private sector support of necessary programs. I am sorry to say the only way there is an equalization between the haves and the have-nots is a socialist agenda because the top tier are working overtime to alleviate any responsibility for the upkeep of our way of life that was what we and they were in the past.

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                     ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                     Maybe you mean 'YOU ' love the programs of government entitlement , I'm for smaller , less , cheaper ,  less taxes , less bennies , AND far,   far more liberty . other wise we need term limits , Look up the "convention of states " !

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      rhamsonposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      "there will be no change whatsoever , and the disease of apathy will simply continue ,however worsening"
      
      More and more I see this as the direction we are headed. For some odd reason we put so much faith in the Presidency as the instrument for change while we continue to support a totally bought out of touch for the common man Congress. With a 13% to 16% approval rating we will re-elect 93% of these slime balls back into Congress expecting some sort of change. As shown with Obama the Congress can nearly shutdown the Executive Branch with little repercussions. The puss bags in Congress are paid off by the lobbyists to do what they will and we cruise along oblivious to the problem nor willing to give it a passing thought. An Article V convention is the means by which we can change this. But as recent events in the UK with Brexit any change will come hard trying to avoid real policy measures and elective rules.
      
      http://termlimitsforuscongress.com/index.html
      
      Join it, sign the petition and participate in this non partisan movement back to self government.

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