What about women voters choosing Hilary ?

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   I believe that the charisma  syndrome that  elected Bill Clinton  ,  also elected  Barack Obama ,   is now ALSO choosing Hilary over Trump  .   Why ,   Trump doesn't have the charisma  that either candidate had  then .   No matter what one believes about the issues  is charisma more important than substance to women?

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Trump does have charisma, it just a matter of from whose point of view. What is considered substance for you may well not be substance for others. You attempt to objectivefy something that is subjective and a matter of opinion.
      
      Having chrisma is part of the selection process, but it is a part, not all. JFK had charisma, was he a poor president?

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         As a matter of fact  Kennedy  wasn't the greatest was he ,  the girls , the drugs , the cover-ups ,the wars ,  the false  hero-izing ,   Truth is not subjective , there is only one of those  to be had . Perhaps that is the difference between now and then though ,     It's all there for us to see today  , all we have to do is filter through the garbage and there you have it , are you good at filtering , Hilary supporters apparently ,are not ?

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Isn't disclosure good for the soul? Your truth and my truth are different, this is not mathematics, it is social science.
            
            One example, no JFK was not the greatest, can we go with Ronald Reagan? Surely you have no problem seeing him as charismatic. You conservatives seem to believed that he walked on water, how does the substance verses charisma argument hold up now?

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      GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That is the first time I have heard say Hillary has charisma. I don't think so.
      
      GA

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         IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Agree. I believe that's been one of her problems.
         If she were charismatic, the GOP would be out of the race since it started, even with all of her issues.

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Their not Voting for her image  , but the misconstrued charisma  of Obama , Bill , and her riding the train , ....Add in one serving of political correctness.    Boom! , there you have it .

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      Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      LOL. Men are, for the most part (in my opinion) single issue voters. Give them a candidate who supports gun rights and they are in like flint. Forget the rest.
      
      Women don't vote according to charisma. I don't, anyway. And no women I know do.Women do tend to be more liberal minded than men so that might account for their support of democratic candidates.

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I have a female 'friend ' who says ." I could never vote for Trump  I just hate his hair !"     talk about a single issue voter .

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         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I am a guy and I am not a single issue, flintlock sort.

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I disagree about men being single issue voters  ,  men are lineal thinkers  and women are emotional thinkers  , that I do know .

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Women think about things differently, so you consider that a negative? Do you want to repeal the 19th Amendment?

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            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I have years of anecdotal experience to refute that claim about men but, if you say so.

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         wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         If the issue is big enough (in the mind of the voter) any of us are single issue.  How many women cast a vote based solely on abortion position?  Clinton herself said that would be the #1 consideration about any of her SCOTUS nominations.
         
         And single issues often "morph" into much wider things - gun control becomes unconstitutional actions to control people overall.  So does abortion, for that matter - we're forever hearing about women's "rights" to their own bodies.

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            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Point well taken. I've never been a single issue voter but I have had women badger me to support pro choice candidates simply because of that stand. That's a problem I have with minorities. We, women, should never vote simply by what we can gain. One needs to take into account the needs of the entire country. Abortion is not an issue to draw a line in the sand with.

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               wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               The needs of the country seem a far, dim memory to most voters anymore.  It is far more about what they want, what they can get or how they can control others.  Very sad, and I fear the results of such thinking.

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                  GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Bless your heart. Its going to be alright. Don't worry, it will get better.
                  
                  I'm sure either Trump or Hillary will break the fever in the next four years and then we can start cleaning up the mess. I think 2020 will be a one-issue election - the 2016 election.
                  
                  GA

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               The problem is that what is considered good for the entire country depends upon your perspective view on things. Conservatives always talk about the good of the country, saying liberals are focused on single issues. But they conveniently  ignore their own narrow ideological desires on society, calling it 'for the good of the country'.

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                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  The far ends are like that.

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree that Obama and Bill do have charisma, but I have always seen through them. 
      
      Hillary tries to come off charismatic but has zero, she comes off fake.   
      
      I have watched many older videos and new and I see that Trump can be genuinely charismatic.   Maybe that's more of a guy thing? (I know its not excullsive) 
      
      Charisma does matter in an election normally.  This election is like none-other.

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         Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I'd love to see a video where Trump appears charismatic. I just can't see it. Never have. He kind of makes my skin crawl.

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            This video makes me get tears in my eyes.  It doesn't show it on this short clip, but Trump ended the rally on this note because he couldn't say anything to top it. 
            
            * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaUC7c38-RI

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      Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Oh for the love of... yes of course women choose who to vote for mainly on the basis of 'charisma'. They couldn't possibly be choosing on the basis of things like. . . I dunno. . . policy,  or the fact that one of the candidates is openly racist and sexist and talks about groping women. Nope. For women it's all about Charisma.
      
      Come on,  at least try to bring your mindset into the 21st century. Good grief.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   ~ In my observation, women do not support each other as well as men support each other. In the work place they are very competitive.
   Many cringe at her voice. I do.
   
   She has no charisma whatsoever. But what she stands for does. The Hillary campaign is a hippie dream the old hippies had and the wanna be hippies are still pursuing. It is ANCIENT archaic Nonsense in my mind.
   Hippiedom has always been charismatic.  The original movement pretty much died with Manson and the murders. Am I way off?
   Wondering.

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct about that Kathryn !   I have not quite looked at  it that way ,  The new hippy dream , and  the Sanders following ?

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         The youth (young adults) are naturally politically naive. How many of us have wised up from those days????
         (Good question, actually.)
         Many will wise up as time goes on.
         There is the hope, anyway.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 8 years ago

   Chesse and rice!  Could a question be more condescending?  Girls, why are you even posting a comment?   A Horse back (did I get that name right?) Is that enough substance for an answer?

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Kathleen , at least you have spirit !

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         GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         ... and I like that in a woman!
         
         :-)
         
         GA

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            Kathleen Cochranposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Aw, shucks fellas!

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Perhaps we have reached a point where millennia's  will be the electors for some period ," Oh My God No" , he screams !

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