Bret Chiafalo is an Elector from Washington State. By his analysis the Electoral College can deny Donald Trump the presidency. He says the Founding Fathers gave the college the powers to overturn the state-by-state vote if the winning candidate is deemed to be:
Not qualified to govern.
A person who appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the people in order to arouse discontent and advance his or her political purposes.
A person under the influence of a foreign power.
He has created a video to explain this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1UQrWatJ3g&t=72s
If that happens you may see more of an uproar than the petulant left offered after the election.
What is this with 'petulant' and 'pouting'? Were these terrible put downs in your family when you were growing up? I have a vision of many sisters and a long suffering mother...
Less bizarre smears might be more effective, lol.
They aren't smears Will. It's simply an honest assessment. I listened for eight years to unfair whiny assessments no matter what Obama did. The far right couldn't give him a chance. Now I see the left is little different.
The election is over. Deal with it.
You see what I mean, lol? 'Whiny', 'pouting', 'petulant', 'tantrum' -- this is the language of the nursery.
For you, currently, it is a way of expressing rage. Dig a little into where that rage comes from. I doubt that the Democratic Party have much to do with it.
It isn't rage Will. It's frustration. But, I don't blame the Democratic party. Why would I? I am using the language of 'the nursery' because that is the level of maturity I see in this constant barrage of foolish complaints. We even have a thread now implying Trump will single handedly destroy the earth. What next?
Of course they can. Although about half the states make it illegal to do so, it could happen. All it takes is a total abrogation of their written promise, their pledge and contract with the people. The same attitude and actions, in other words, that put Trump in the White House; hopefully such abuse of political power is limited to the swamp and has not spread into the citizenry yet. Although, with millions of people asking for politician-like behavior from electors it seems as it has.
yeah, the Trumpsters are just gonna sit quietly.
There will be civil war I predict
A cold underbelly of a snake unofficial civil war. Slithering slithering toward what? will be discovered ... and it won't be pretty. Fair, but not pretty.
So, it better not happen.
I don't know about civil war. I do know that I will cease to recognize the government as a valid authority. Had Hillary won I'd have accepted it. And, had Hillary won and the right somehow bullied their way into the White House my reaction would be the same.
I am sick of the left throwing this tantrum.
Those who break their pledge pay a fine. Some states have signed a contract to cast their electoral votes for the popular vote winner. Their obligation to to ensure no unqualified snake oil salesman becomes president. Two and a half million votes is a considerable difference. They would be American heroes.
No. They would not be heroes. That is why there is a name for them. Faithless. Stealing an election is theft.
Agreed - "faithless" is indeed a very good name for them. Without honor, without ethics, often outside the law - faithless in all meanings of the term. Astounding that some promote such activities because all that happens is that "Those who break their pledge pay a fine.". The lack of ethics or morality is surprising.
If they do it I'm shutting both businesses down. I think everyone who finds the theft of an election objectionable should do the same. Anyone who doesn't own a business should quit working. No riots. Just show them who drives the economy. I'd bet if the left had done the same in their protest it wouldn't have shut much of anything down.
Politics in this country no longer cares for the people, no longer is bound by ethical concerns and is no longer held to the same laws as the people are. If there is a single lesson to be learned from Trumps election it is that the people are sick and tired of such behavior from our "leaders"...to see millions signing a petition to continue such behavior is disheartening at best.
If people really are satisfied to have those in power continue to behave in this kind of manner we truly are lost and you might as well shut down.
Is Jill Stein actually being paid by those who want and are promoting anarchy?
What the Reps could do if this happens is agree to stop paying taxes. We would have to agree to being thrown in jail.
If we did it in solidarity would they be able to?
Quite likely. But she could also be doing it because she doesn't like Trump, either. Most politicians don't, after all.
ABC NBC and CBS completely ignored Steins campaign. If they wouldve given her some air time she mightve got some actual votes. But that would have cost hillary some votes. Now ABC CBS and NBC are giving her lots of exposure.
Millions of American have a fake news machine, with rabbit ears, in their living rooms.
That is so well expressed.
The faithless are cowards.
Well Wilderness, that sounds a little harsh. Would you consider any possibly mitigating circumstances?
I was pretty vocal on a previous EC thread, and survived the chopping block, so I guess I have to go out on another limb, and hand you the saw.
I think the two primary motives for the EC, (as Cam8510 previously mentioned to you), include the very action you are complaining about. To act as a buffer between a hoodwinked or uninformed voter, and the selection of the president.
You may disagree, (as you have stated), with the need and validity of that specific design function now, but, it is hard to contest the historical data that shows it to be true then.
So, considering the perception many folks hold of Trump - that he is the charlatan and demagogue the founders feared, and, if there are no personal gain motivations for the Elector, couldn't he be just the opposite of the bad person you described?
It could be possible that a faithless elector is doing just, (or thinks he is), what the founding fathers and the design of the EC asked of him. It could be that the courage to be faithless; to break lesser pledges and commitments, and risk penalties, to honor a more basic pledge, (the Constitution), could involve more personal honor and commitment than those other electors of the same mind that still voted the party line.
I think that without evidence of nefarious motives, there is only emotional support for your view of their character.
I don't know if electors 200 years ago pledged to vote a specific way - do you?
But I DO know that they do so today. And I know that there is zero wiggle room in that promise. There is zero possibility that an elector signing that affidavit thinks it says they should vote their conscience or their judgement. And I know that if they cannot, in good conscience, vote as promised that there is another option - to resign from the post of elector.
But they don't do that. Instead they play the elite card and go ahead and violate their promise. Whatever their motives, it doesn't excuse that simple fact. That isn't courage, that's cowardice to do the right thing and take the consequences. Now, if that elector had a working crystal ball that worked like a spread sheet and could show futures from different candidates it might be different. But I don't think a one of them has such a thing - all they have is an opinion of a projection to what the future might bring. And that is insufficient to violate the trust that millions of voters have put into them.
It is exciting that we will get to see who are the faithless and who are the faithful. These are historic times we are living in. The day of miracle shifts for the nation and for me has arrived, I'm just thanking the Lord.
Cochran's idea of the meaning of the word "hero" is not the American meaning, try Marx or Lenin.
"The Michigan Supreme Court on Friday shot down Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s request to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling that had halted the state’s election recount.
The decision effectively ends the Michigan recount ― and in so doing, ends any hope that Stein’s broader recount efforts would change the election result. Stein has sought recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as well, but Hillary Clinton needed to be declared the winner in all three states to best Donald Trump in the Electoral College."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mic … 9c3dfd1458
"a state in the northern US, bordered on the west, north, and east by lakes Michigan, Superior, Huron, and Erie; pop. 10,003,422 (est. 2008); capital, Lansing; statehood, Jan. 26, 1837 (26). It was acquired from Britain by the US in 1783." D
"Be careful what you wish for … you just might get it." Jill Stein didn’t get the recount she wanted in Michigan, but she did get the state to take vote-integrity issues seriously. Meeting in its lame-duck session, the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election.
* http://hotair.com/archives/2016/12/08/t … hyperbole/
So, that's some good news coming out that.
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