Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO), first to object to electoral college results

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

   
   Senator Hawley, concerns are that state election laws were not followed, megacorporation's Facebook and Twitter's unprecedented interference in the election, lack of investigations into voter fraud by congress. For these reasons he will object to the electoral college results.
   https://www.theepochtimes.com/sen-josh- … 37703.html

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hawley is the first and thus far the only Republican senator to commit to challenging the electoral votes on Jan 6th.  though several other conservative House members have vowed to also do so. It has been reported President Trump has suggested Congress should intervene, with hopes they will deliver him a second term.
      
      Hawley stated ---"I cannot vote to certify the electoral college results on January 6 without raising the fact that some states, particularly Pennsylvania, failed to follow their own state election laws. And I cannot vote to certify without pointing out the unprecedented effort of mega-corporations, including Facebook and Twitter, to interfere in this election, in support of Joe Biden."At the very least, Congress should investigate allegations of voter fraud and adopt measures to secure the integrity of our elections. But Congress has so far failed to act."
      
      Hawley is bucking Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has asked Republican senators not to object when the joint session convenes. The efforts by Hawley are unlikely to succeed but will prolong the process for affirming Mr. Biden's. Even if the Senate voted to sustain an objection, the Democrats control the House, will vote it down.
      
      Although, many citizens have become distrustful of our election process. Possibly due to hundreds of sworn affidavits from whistleblowers on irregularities, they claim to have witnessed in our presidential election.
      
      IMO Hawley's gesture is called for, and stand to bring a very severe problem into the light. These claims are out of the bag... Time to address them and move on. I don't think his maneuver will change the election results. But it will serve to show brewing problems with our current voting laws.

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

   Sharlee01- What you're saying sounds very well thought out and reasonable but I don't see moving on as an option, unless we don't mind losing our basic freedoms! If the far left in the Democrat party get away with this, I don't believe they'll stop there, they'll continue to grab for even more power and won't stop until they control the country.
   
   I'm believing when farther evidence surfaces and the public demands it, a thorough investigation will happen by which members of Congress, State legislators, governors and Judges will finally get a backbone and oppose and fight this fraud! Ultimately I believe Trump will prevail and serve a second term!
   
   They'll be a massive rally in DC on January 6th to come out in support of Trump and to oppose certifying the fraudulent election. I will be attending.
   
   https://www.theepochtimes.com/massive-a … 40546.html

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      Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Although I see clear evidence of fraud and vote tampering, I don't support any ideas or actions which would keep Trump in office. The damage done, coupled with such an act, would destroy this nation.
      
      As usual, the right will have to be the adults in the room.

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   Valeantposted 4 years ago

   Claiming there was fraud, using speculation and misinterpreting actions and videos from the election, hardly constitutes fraud. 
   
   Saying there were irregularities to an election held during a pandemic, only the second time that there was an election held during such an event, does not mean there was fraud.  An election during a pandemic is going to be irregular.  Why is that so hard to understand and accept?
   
   Railing against states protecting their citizens by providing safer options for casting their vote, a right guaranteed by the Constitution and executed by each individual state, does not equate to fraud.
   
   Saying that there is no way Biden could have gotten 81 million votes, when so many are out of work or working from home and have significantly more opportunity to go to the polls, is just denying reality.
   
   Republican poll workers, Republicans overseeing elections in their states, Republican judges, Republican Attorney Generals, Republican Directors of the FBI have all concluded there was not systemic fraud.  That so many can discount this group of people to believe the losing candidate with a clear history of malignant narcissism, and the attorneys in his employ,  would be comical if it weren't so dangerous.

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      PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I never really realized how many stupid, ignorant people believe they know better than smart, educated people until these past four years, culminating in the ultimate stupidity of the 2020  pandemc/elecrion/vaccine conspiracy groupies. Yowza.

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         abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Who are these "smart, educated people" and can they be trusted?

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            PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Dr. Anthony Fauci, the state officials (many Republicans) who investigated alleged "massive" fraud and concluded it didn't happen, the judges (including Trump appointees) who made lawful decisions, the health professionals who say the vaccine is safe and effective.
            
            I could go on, but I'm doubting there is any worthwhile reason to do so.

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               abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Yeah, you haven't made your case. You haven't presented enough evidence.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Since I wasn't talking to you in the first place, your opinion of my statement here matters not one tiny whit to me. You thought Barack Obama was born in Kenya and now you think Trump should disregard the will of the voters and steal the election. Your record speaks for itself.

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                     GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     How tiny is your whit?
                     
                     Like this?
                     
                     
                     Or this?
                     
                     
                     
                     GA

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                        PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        At this point, my whit is so tiny that a flea could crush it with its little toe.  Tiny enough?

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   abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

   Senator Ted Cruz is now on board...I would have been very disappointed in him, if he hadn't stepped up!
   This thing isn't over, not by a long shot! I am with you wba, if we don't fight the far left with every ounce of our being, they will never know where to stop. They've gone mad on power!

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it well appears a coalition of at least 11 Republican senators will challenge the outcome of the presidential election by voting to reject electors from some states when Congress meets next week to certify the Electoral College.
      
      This is a necessary step to election fraud. I agree if it is not stopped (little or huge) it will grow, and our very elections will mean, little. We as a nation have never had to face such disregard for our voting laws.
      
      Many laws were changed at the last minute by officials that did not hold the power to change election laws. The mail-in system was sure to work to increase fraud, and then we had voting machines that were not supposed to be online but were in the swing states. We have had over  250 citizens step up as whistleblowers that's complaints have been mainly ignored. Time to dig in and stop this kind of deception.
      
      It is a shame such steps need to be taken, but it would appear it will be necessary.
      
      Very pleased to see Ted Cruz step up, I think he is one of the best attorneys we have in the  US and Senate.

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   PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

   These forums never cease to entertain.

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   abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

   I've referenced his Kenyan brother (who has no use for him btw) but I've never spent any time on where Obama was born, I care about as much as you care about my opinion.

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

   AB Williams- You're absolutely correct, this thing isn't over! If you don't live and work in the political world it's difficult to understand the kind of opposition that's there. There's of course a spiritual battle underlying all this. Government representatives on the federal and state level, judges and government officials are all intimidated into being silenced but seeing some courage  now and its contagious!

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      Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      When Congress votes to accept the electors as voted on by the states, in accordance with our laws, on Wednesday, what's your next plan?  Will you be clamoring for martial law?  Let's see how the military responds to that, should be fun to watch them deny Trump just like the Secretaries of State, the judiciary, the FBI Director, the Attorney General, and after Wednesday, Congress.

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

   The only thing I'm for is for the truth to come out

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      Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Truth according to who?  Clear not:
      The US Attorney General
      The Director of the FBI
      The State election officials in swing states
      The former head of CISA
      The Governors who certified the votes in their states
      
      Those hitching their wagons to Trump don't want truth, they want to live in his deluded reality.  And it's quickly becoming seditious and treasonous.

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         wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years agoin reply to this

         From what I understand, the evidence largely hasn't been investigated.
         
         Reuters/Ipsos polling, tragically, shows that 39% of Americans believe ‘the election was rigged.' That belief is held by Republicans (67%), Democrats (17%), and Independents (31%).
         
         A recent post by Sen Ted Cruz said," there is long precedent of Democratic Members of Congress raising objections to presidential election results, as they did in 1969, 2001, 2005, and 2017. And, in both 1969 and 2005, a Democratic Senator joined with a Democratic House Member in forcing votes in both houses on whether to accept the presidential electors being challenged."
         
         Cruz also say's, "The 2020 election, however, featured unprecedented allegations of voter fraud, violations and lax enforcement of election law, and other voting irregularities."
         
         Cruz proposes, "  A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans' faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President.
         
         Seeing that about 40% of America believe the election was rigged, shouldn't we want an audit to assure those voters, if there's nothing to hide?

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Nice to have you back
            
            Allegations are allegations. Is all this angst about the election merely over the fact that Trump did not win?
            
            We will let you have your audit, as long as it completely impartial and non-partisan and if the results do not go your way, this entire matter is put to bed for good.
            
            To find so many irregularities over 4 to 5 states of a magnitude to change the current outcome? I certainly doubt it.

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            Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            From what you understand isn't really saying much.  Clearly, you haven't bothered to look into the claims.  Many have been investigated and have been debunked.
            
            Ummm...many states already did audits.  It's like in Georgia, signature verification was done three times already.  When is enough, enough?  Clearly, not until Trump and his supporters garner the result they desire - not based on the actual facts that exist.
            
            And you're going to tell me Congress, the body that only 15% of America approves of and 82% disapproves of, can do anything fair, credible, or expeditiously?  You're joking, right?  It took them nine months to pass a second round of stimulus.
            
            The Department of Justice already investigated allegations of fraud, they found no systemic issues.  The states have investigated, no systemic fraud.  Trump's own election commission after the 2016 election - no finding of systemic fraud even though he claimed there was tons of it and that's why he lost the popular vote. 
            
            Think about that last point.  Trump did the same thing in 2016.  He claimed the election was rigged unless he won.  He claimed there was massive fraud and that was why he lost the popular vote.  Then when he appointed loyalists to investigate - even Kris Kobach of Kansas - they found no fraud.  He's been lying to you for over four years about election fraud.  And you still cannot see it.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I feel Ted Cruz's stance is warranted and could work to provide to find the truth, one way or the other.

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

   Credence2- Nice to hear from you 2, its been awhile, I see you were an Air Force officer, I was Air Force enlisted from 82'-86', I was stationed at Beale AFB California and an Air force squadron at Keflavik NAS in Iceland.  I see you live near the space coast. Beautiful beaches around there, I was down there visiting my best friend from Mim's, just north of Cape Canaveral.

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Well, if you find yourself in this vicinity again, send me an E-mail and we can do a beer or two and swap war stories. After all, there is more to life than just politics.
      
      It is a nice area here, it has been a well kept secret until recently. The panhandle is too cold and Miami/Dade County too busy and expensive, this was a nice compromise. But the area is growing fast, regardless,
      
      I would certainly like to hear about your experiences in Iceland. I spent a month in West Germany back in 1978 and had so grand a time that I put it on my "dream sheet" for my desired reassignment. I remember Beale, I thought that it was part of MAC, if I am not mistaken.
      
      I spent those 4 years at March AFB 1976-80, as a part of the Strategic Air Command. Back in the day, those were great times. I was too young for Vietnam and too old for what came after. Those years were considered within the "eye of the hurricane".
      
      WBA, it is all gone now, I revisited the area back in '03 and it had been reduced to a base station.

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         wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Credence2- Thanks so much for the invite, maybe I'll take you up on it, I don't know when at this point!

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    wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

    Sharlee01 - Absolutely, Those of us that know the fake news is fake, know that the Washington insiders together with big tech and the corrupt mainstream media have been trying to get Trump removed from office in any way possible before he was even elected.
    
    These people despise middle America (Trump is their voice) and want to silence them. Now its become evident that they will stop at nothing to meet their goals!

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       Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Trump has made so many stand up and take note of our Government and the Washington elites. and media and the fact of how deceptive, and destructive they have become. There is no turning back, the left call themselves "woke".  This is almost funny if it were not so sad.  And I agree, the right is not ever going to be silenced.

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          abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          AMEN, WOMAN!

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    wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

    Sharlee01- As usual the the turns logic on its head and personify everything they claim to oppose!

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    wba108@yahoo.composted 4 years ago

    correction- As usual the left turns logic on its head and personify everything they claim to oppose!

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       Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

       And they do it so easily. It amazes me every time.

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