Why Does GOP Thinks it is Good To Take Insurance Away from 23 Million

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   My Esotericposted 7 years ago

   OMB Dir Mulvaney said (in referring to the 23 million children, women, elderly, and disabled who will lose, or can't sign up for Medicaid)
   
   "We are no longer going to measure compassion by the number of programs or the number of people on those programs, but the number of people we help get off of those programs," he said, arguing that it is actually compassionate to cut government spending on inefficient programs" (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/ … dget-cuts/)
   
   He further says ""We're not kicking anyone off of any program who really needs it," Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said at a press briefing Tuesday. "We have plenty of money in this country to take care of the people who need help. And will do that."
   
   Instead, Mulvaney argued, Trump's budget will reduce benefits for people who don't need them and move other people off benefits through job creation. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mulva … le/2623923
   
   Here is the problem with the GOP, Trump, and Mulvaney's logic is this ... they actually think (I hope) that there are jobs for 23 million people to move into.  Well there isn't.  Consider:
   1. America is at full employment
   2. What jobs are available generally require skills and education
   3. Most of the people losing insurance (or other social support systems) have neither!!!
   
   Where exactly are they going to find jobs GOP??

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      Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It takes a while to realise how cynical businesses and businessmen are. The point of taking 23 million off healthcare is to hoover up more money in tax cuts for the wealthy and remove any threat to the grossly inefficient US private healthcare system from alternatives.

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   First, I wouldn't ask the GOP anything. 
   
   Second, in his first speech Trump talked about the need to invest in the American infrastructure.

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You do realise that answer, to the question posed, sounds incredibly callous. Are you saying millions need to lose insurance to save money to invest in infrastructure?

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         colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I was replying to "Where exactly are they going to find jobs GOP?"
         (callous?)  Was talking jobs, not insurance. 
         The GOP has had seven years to work on health care, while Obamacare is dying fast.  There is where the callous is.

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      My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Once again, America is at full employment and if Trump happens to get his infrastructure program passed, there aren't enough skilled, trained workers who want to work (or can work) to do very many of them.  You know that huge number. 93 million, of unemployed Trump and GOP try to make you believe is real, well it isn't.
      
      You see, that number includes 46 million teenagers and people over 60 included millions (most of who don't work and don't want to), 34 million are caregivers of the elderly, Hell, 25% of Americans are stay-at-home parents; that's 61 million people.  All in all, there are really between 10 and 13 million people who are unemployed and want work ... THOSE are the REAL facts and NOT the 93 million Trump and the GOP lie to you about.

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   wildernessposted 7 years ago

   I see Blue cross is dropping out of more of the ObamaCare plans; it has lost 100M in the last three years, and even large corporations have to close the door eventually.  And they are neither the first nor the last we'll see stem the bleeding.
   
   Maybe, just maybe, we can't afford the massive boondoggle of ObamaCare?  Maybe, just maybe, the wonderful projections that the cost to the nation would go down as we insured additional millions of people - that it actually costs money to provide health care?
   
   While I think we can provide some form of care (although not the gold standard of our best insurance programs) to everyone, it isn't through faux "insurance" programs whose only claim to fame was to shift the cost from one to another.

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I just read some headlines about that with Blue Cross this morning.  Obamacare is imploding on its own.  Sad that officials wasted so much time and money on that scam and forced citizens to pay for a go into debt card.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   -- Obama knew single payer  was not sustainable from the beginning
   -- Obama Care IS self imploding , has been for two years and longer .
   -- Obama Care included a guaranteed profit margin  for insurers , you didn't know ?
   -- The proper blame belongs with democratic leadership   
   -- There is NO constitutional clause  for insuring anyone at others costs
   -- Pelosi , Clinton , Sanders , Reid , Fienstien , Boxer , and many many democratic "leaders " lied to you all .
   -- Repealing is the only route to chose , if we ARE to have a single payer , we'd better all be prepared for  incredible tax increases immediately at the federal and state levels.
   -- Democrats ,  Stop blaming republicans  , independents for your own selfishness .

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      My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      ahorseback:
      
      - Obamacare is not single-payer
      - Is Obamacare imploding?  If you think so, then you are buying into Fake News. Instead, read this http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/gops-o … premature/ (or any other fact checking site)
      - Obamacare does not include a guaranteed profit margin for insurers, you have it backwards.  Obamacare requires insurers to spend AT LEAST 80% of their sales on health related expenses , you didn't know?  In fact, because of this my company and my employees have received refunds from United Health Care ever since ACA began.
      - The proper blame is on the GOP's six-year campaign to destroy Obamacare and scaring the insurers.
      - There is no Constitutional clause for Social Security, Medicare, driver's license or thousands of other state and federal requirements either
      - Ryan, Trump, and almost other Republicans are lying to you
      - If AHCA passes, or anything else like it, 23 million will lose their insurance; mostly poor, children, elderly, and disabled as well as 800% higher premiums for the elderly (those that can still afford it, that is); many of those with preexisting conditions will no longer be able to get insurance.  In short, the only ones that benefit from the GOP plan are the young, the healthy, and the rich.
      AND
      Why do insurers say it will be the GOP's fault if ACA fails? 
      
      http://fortune.com/2017/04/02/will-obam … ald-trump/

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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Well, the GOP obviously scared Blue Cross...a hundred million scares.  That's how much they lost in the last 3 years and why they're dropping out in some areas.  Much the same with others; they're afloat in a sea of red they're so scared, and more and more are dropping out from that fear.
         
         Fear they'll go bankrupt if they don't stop the bleeding.

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            My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            No, the GOP refused to appropriate the funds to pay back insurers for their part of the subsidy cost sharing or to fund insurers from expected losses due to healthy people refusing to sign up, choosing to screw you if they get sick.

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               "Pay back the subsidy".  As in premiums were insufficient to cover costs.  Because young healthy people were being charged double what their statistical risk indicated and thus declined to be an open wallet for the country.
               
               All the spin in the world won't change that ObamaCare was nothing more than another attempt to share the wealth, to provide what people wanted but didn't want to pay for.  As a philosophy it is a failure and as a practical solution experience shows it to be just as big a failure.

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                  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

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            My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            And yes, they are scared of going BK because the GOP keeps trying to kill ACA.
            
            I see you agree with my response to your false statements about ACA

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         promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Well said -- rational, fact based and thorough.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   "… Miss D.C. stepped up to answer a question about the most currently contentious subject in the country: “Do you think affordable health care for all U.S. citizens is a right or a privilege, and why?”
   
   McCullough, a 25-year-old scientist who works at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, tied in her own experience to her answer. “I’m definitely going to say it’s a privilege,” she said. “As a government employee, I am granted health care. And I see firsthand that for one to have health care, you need to have jobs. So therefore, we need to continue to cultivate this environment that we’re given the opportunities to have health care as well as jobs to all the American citizens worldwide.”

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   Having Health Care Insurance is not a right. Getting it if you want it and can afford it, is. Make sure it is affordable ... in a free market where competition keeps the rates low.

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      My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      So your position is "no job, no insurance" and "have a job that doesn't offer insurance, no insurance" and if you get sick, too damn bad, it is your fault and should suffer the consequences.
      
      Very social Darwinist of you.

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         Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Just cut to the chase. It is needlessly cruel and mean-minded.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         How are the capable mommy and daddy birds who must drop worms into the squawking open beaks in their own nests to survive if the less capable birds from all the trees of the land are also holding up their squawking beaks?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   Each person has the right to contribute to his own survival in the ways and means he chooses to survive. Furthermore, through independence and self-reliance, he becomes stronger and stronger.
   
   Those who continually receive assistance from others become weaker and weaker by getting into the habit of depending on them. Perhaps, if we (society) felt the appropriate urgency regarding this matter, schools would not be so ineffective toward the goal of individual independence. I could go on and on. Its not rocket science! The strong can help those who are temporarily out of luck and/or ailing in their own families and communities as they so choose ...
   as has been done since the beginning of time.
   
   Dependent
   2 reliant on, relying on, counting on; sustained by.
   3 addicted to, reliant on; hooked on.
   4 reliant, needy; helpless, weak, infirm, invalid, incapable; debilitated, disabled.

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      My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      And that Katheryn is just an opinion not based on fact (beyond a few anecdotes).  I suspect you would be able to use that philosophy to excel as a woman in Saudi Arabia or in America in the 1950s.  It took laws and regulations and, god forbid, assistance for women, as a group, to get within striking distance of shattering the glass ceiling America.  Maybe in another 50 or 100 years it might happen

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   The strong and capable need others who are the same to work and network with. They sure don't need those are weak and dependent. Why would you want to facilitate and contribute toward weakness and dependence?

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Besides  , Name one federal , state or locally government run  service that is fiscally efficient and  produces ANYTHING   effectively - Name one ?
      
      
      
      We will be waiting .    !

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         tick tock

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            ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Vermont  ,my home ,  just announced that to maintain Obama -Care , AHCA ,whatever we call it this week ,  It will take  approx.  4 billion with a B  a year to maintain .   
            
            Problems arise  in  the state  legislature though ,  The entire state budget was $   1. 8 Billion last year ?  Anyone else see a problem with the addition on this one ?

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               What if Obama had been elected for another four years? Then would the left had been happy ... as far as the addition and the state of the Union?
               
               Tick tock ….

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                  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh  by the way ,  the estimated cost to Vermont  $4 Billion ,   cost  to California was -I think, $ 400 Billion a year ,I thought the numbers -multiplier  was interesting  this came from Breitbart News the other day .
                  
                  I don't remember who did the study .

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                  My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Given the reality of today, you betcha the Left would have been happy ... as would the Middle and some of the Right.

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               My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry, Google turned up no references to your assertion from credible news sources; in fact, it found none at all.

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         My Esotericposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Define "Produces".  Do you mean manufacture, like airplanes, offers services like the FAA?

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